Colby McCaskill (3:47)

Hello.

Alison Stewart (3:48)

We're also joined by Luisa Ramasukar, a senior at Barnard College, whose cop podcast is Joe's World. Hi, Louis. Hi. And finally, Sid Walter is a senior at Sarah Lawrence College. Her piece is called New York 10019. Hi, Sid. Hello. All right, this is for all of you. It's the fifth year of NPR's podcast challenge. Colby, what made you decide to apply?

Colby McCaskill (4:10)

Oh, man. Well, I, so I go to Fordham. I have a bunch of journalism classes, and one of them, it's specifically about audio reporting. And my professor kind of made it an assignment. She was like, okay, we want you to do just whatever story you want. And with the idea that you would be so proud of it, you could give it to npr. And so that's kind of where it started. It was just like, you know, take it and fly with it. And then after, after that class ended, she followed up with all of us and was like, okay, so, yeah, we're going to follow through, give it to npr, tell them that you want this to be part of the challenge.

Alison Stewart (4:43)

So, yeah, how about for you, Luisa?

Luisa Ramasukar (4:45)

Yeah, I love audio storytelling. And recently, most of the stories I've told have been breaking news. So whether that's reporting on news at Columb as a student journalist or in an internship at cnn, a breaking news rundown. But this was a time to really tell a human story and talk about something that is omnipresent. Neurodivergence isn't just in my life because my twin is Joe. It's everywhere. So it was a really fun time to talk about something that wasn't necessarily breaking news.

Alison Stewart (5:14)

How about for you, Sid?

Sid Walter (5:16)

Well, I've been applying for the NPR Student Podcast Challenge since I was 14. So this is my fourth year applying. And I just thought to myself, they can't stop me. All I can do is just keep applying every single. Until eventually something happens or I just keep getting better. And so this year, my, like, my main goal was to make a piece that I felt really proud of and was connected with, and something that I felt like was deep work, work that I had been working on for a long time, something that I was putting a lot of intention into. And so that's kind of where this piece came from. It's come from a long substantiated, you know, work to get to where I am now. And I feel really proud of the piece that I have and very excited about being here in studio with all of you.

Alison Stewart (5:51)

Like you said, you've been at this since you were 14. You had a podcast. Thank you. Called Teeny. Tell us a little bit about Teeny.

Sid Walter (5:58)

My. You know, my idea was to make a podcast about the not so teeny problems of being a teenager. And I felt that teenagers didn't really get a lot of space to explain their. Explain themselves and also to tell their own stories. And so that's really where I started with the podcast. And ever since then, it's just grown and grown and grown into this love for using the audio medium as a way of connecting with people and making space for people to feel seen and see others.

Alison Stewart (6:20)

Colby, sort of simultaneously, you had your audio sort of archive in a group called miscellaneous on SoundCloud. It's radio stories, short fiction, it's poetry. When did you have the idea to start archiving your work this way?

Colby McCaskill (6:34)

Well, so, yeah, this kind of started, I guess, in the summer of 2024. I was coming off of my sophomore year as a student journalist at Fordham University. I was working for the newspaper, and I just started doing more and more radio stories and, like, podcast and audio reporting. So it kind of just started out of, like, I have all this tape. I want to put it together. So I kind of just started freelancing, and I was not very good at it. I did not get picked up. No one wanted my stories, but I thought, you know, these are good. I'm proud of them. So let's just start putting them out. So I would. I would freelance. I would put it on, like, my website, and then I would just, yeah, put it on Spotify.

Alison Stewart (7:10)

How does audio help you express yourself in a way that posting on TikTok or Instagram might not.

Colby McCaskill (7:17)

Yeah, I guess, man, that's a good question. I think, like, what podcasts do that regular journalism that's just print doesn't do? Is it like puts you in someone's head, like you're in their ears and so you can be very, very honest. You're speaking like directly to them. Print articles that I like typically did in my early years, you know, you're speaking, it almost feels like a letter to the public. But I think podcasts and audio reporting and radio is like a direct to one person. That's kind of what I see it as. It's like I'm talking directly to you right now. And so I just, I think it's a. You know, when you're having a one on one convers, that's when you're most vulnerable. You know, when you're not thinking about everyone else, when you're just trying to connect with one person, that actually is. That's when I want to speak my mind the most.

Alison Stewart (8:05)

Louisa, you worked as the audio editor for the Columbia Daily Spectator. What did you learn from that position that helped you put together this piece? Although that's probably a breaking news situation these days.

Luisa Ramasukar (8:19)

Yeah, so when I started, I got to do pieces that were a lot more, you know, person forward. I spent six hours in a dining hall one night and just caught people's stories. But as the news changed at Columbia, so did the stories that we were making. I think that what I learned is like, it is such an opportunity to get to sit with somebody for a long time and I got to interview my brother. So we talked for like four hours and to really cherish that time, if you get it. Because when we're doing breaking reporting and you know, I was suspended last year for my reporting, there's a timeline and there's like a, you gotta get out. But when you have the opportunity to sit somebody and get their story, like, I really cherish those moments.

Alison Stewart (9:04)

Now, can you tell us why you were suspended?

Luisa Ramasukar (9:07)

Yes, Again, I was actually in the library writing a paper on the First Amendment, ironically. And a protest that I wasn't aware of began. The security closed the doors around us within at least two minutes. And I was the only reporter from Columbia Spectator there. And my background.

Sid Walter (9:33)

Yeah, I don't know if we talked about this.

Luisa Ramasukar (9:35)

My background was not. I was doing live television as an intern at the time, but not really breaking. And my editors were like, can you stay? To me? Yes. Because I think that it's really important to have Somebody telling these stories, you know, to my best capacity. So I was feeding information the whole time. And at Columbia, you tap your ID no matter where you go. And in order to leave the library, when I was told that arrest was, you know, something that was on the table, and my editors, we agreed it was time to go for safety, my ID and like name was recorded. So the next day I received a notice of an interim suspension. Without recognition of the bylines that had been posted of my reporting and my clear identification to security that I was there in a reporting capacity, the suspension was overturned. But I think that what that suspension represents is not erased.

Alison Stewart (10:33)

We're talking with a few of the finalists of the 5th Annual NPR College Podcast Challenge. Out of hundreds of entries that received this year, New York college students Colby Cascill, Luisa Rama Sukar, and Sid Walter made it to the top 10. All right, Sid, your podcast, NY 10019, is about Tony Schwartz, who record recorded sounds around New York City. He was a regular here at WNYC long before you were born. When did you first hear about his work?

Sid Walter (10:59)

I heard about his work from my friend and she was like, have you ever heard of Tony Schwartz? And I was like, I have no clue who Tony Schwartz is. And she was like, you know, have you ever listened to Death of a Turtle, which is a fantastic story. Anyone who's listening should take a listen to it. It's about this little boy and his turtle that passes away. And it's a five minute story about this turtle's funeral. And it's like the sweetest, most beautiful story. And I was telling her about, you know, this is my final year that I can apply to this NPR College Podcast challenge. You know, I really want to make a piece that I feel proud of. And I was like, but telling a story in 12 minutes, eight minutes is a really hard thing to do. And she was like, well, Tony Schwartz was able to do it in five. So, you know, take a listen.

Alison Stewart (11:33)

So there, right?

Sid Walter (11:35)

So I took a listen to his work and I was like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. And I kind of just went down this deep dive of his work. And as I was walking through New York, I was, I was thinking to myself, there's so many sounds that are so similar to the ones that he was creating, and there's so many new ones just like daily things you never think of, like the walk sign beeping that you, you know, that didn't exist when Tony was around or, you know, other sign, other like little sounds that are just Kind of minute, daily aspects of life, or, like, the whisper of, like, you know, an electric car down the. You know, down the road. So that kind of was how it all sparked. And I thought, well, you know, I can map out where he walked, walk those same footsteps, and then, you know, record those sounds. And that's how it all started. And then it kind of took me down this. This long, winding path where I got to meet his son, Anton Schwartz, who's a jazz musician who so generously let me use his music for the piece. And I got to actually meet Daryl, who is the kid at the center of the story. Death of a Turtle. I got to talk to him, and it's like there was just this nexus in this world that was unraveling when I got to do, like, got into Tony's work, and I just felt so held by his sounds. And I wanted to help, or I guess I wanted to extend that to other people, too, and remind people, you know, to listen to the world.

Alison Stewart (12:43)

Let's listen to a little bit of your podcast. This is Tony's son, Anton, talking about his dad in Sid Walters podcast, NY 10019, and why he was fascinated with that part of New York City.

Announcer (12:55)

On the one hand, he was just like a teddy bear, everything all out at the surface, very loving. He was very eccentric. He was agoraphobic, so he didn't travel far away. The whole New York 19 album was chosen. What did he call it? A sono documentary of his postal zone. But it was out of local interest, but also because he didn't really travel much further, at least not without, you know, special to do. And a postal zone may be miles, miles and miles in some states, but it's quite small in Manhattan. So, yeah, that was where he, you know, spent his entire adult life was in that postal zone.

Alison Stewart (13:43)

Colby, your podcast Dear Papa is in the form of a letter. How did you decide to land on a letter?

Colby McCaskill (13:50)

Yeah, I think the. I just decided that I wanted something to remember my grandparents. I think that was the idea for the interviews. And going into it, I wanted something that kind of could help me remember them and bring me closer to them. So I didn't actually, I think, go into the interviews thinking, hey, can I write a letter to you? But when, you know, when I got home, I visited them for spring break last year. So when I got home and I was looking at all this tape, I was trying to decide, you know, what kind of story do I want to tell, what kind of format do I want to take? And I think I just wanted to talk with them. I think I just wanted kind of to bare my heart and tell them, like, this is how I'm feeling. I want you to know this. And, you know, as a journalist, like, the way that I express myself is through writing and through publishing. And so, yeah, I wrote kind of it as really for them. I kind of. Yeah, maybe take issue with the idea that it's formatted as a letter. It is a letter. I was. I was telling these guys, like, the first person that I sent the link to once I published it was my grandpa. That was how I delivered the letter, was texting him this link. So, yeah, it was a letter because that's what I wanted to do. I just wanted to kind of tell them how I was feeling and have a conversation with them, really.

Alison Stewart (15:05)

Let's listen to a section of Dear

Colby McCaskill (15:07)

Papa, it feels rude to say you both looked older. I don't mean it in a bad way. Your walk just a little bit stiffer. Grammy's hair just a little bit whiter. I'm sure you know out of everyone how her dementia has been progressing, how she can't remember my name or her age.

Alison Stewart (15:27)

I am at sea. I'm like, I am. I'm over. I think right Now, I'm, like, 47 years.

Sid Walter (15:40)

Okay.

Alison Stewart (15:41)

That's how we know.

Colby McCaskill (15:44)

But to be dealing with cancer on top of dementia, that's a whole nother fight. That day in the airport, I was just reminded how as the days and the months march on, we're quickly losing Grammy, and I'm slowly losing you. I don't really know what to do about it other than make time to be with you and write you this letter. I don't know if there is more to do. What am I supposed to do?

Alison Stewart (16:12)

Colby, what did you want to communicate to your listener about living with someone who has dementia?

Colby McCaskill (16:19)

Yeah, I think the thing that I often just don't recognize when I'm going to school and I have something every day, but it's. Is that time changes things. Time changes how our bodies operate. Time changes the relationships we have. And I was really feeling that when I saw my grandparents. It had been a little bit of time since I saw them, and I saw that they had changed. Yeah. As you heard me say, they looked a little, you know, their walk was a little stiffer. Time had changed them, and time had changed me, too. And so I think. Yeah, I think I even say it there. It's like, I don't know what to do about that. I can't Change time. I can't move time. I can't, you know, rewind time. And so, yeah, it was. It was kind of like I had a lot of thinking to do. It was like, oh, time has changed. Yeah, time has changed you. Time has changed me. What are we gonna do about that? And I do think that, like, as I kind of came to the understanding that, like, I think the only thing I can do is talk about it. I think we can recognize it, and we can try to deal with it and feel it out and share about it. And so, yeah, I think my Grandma is not 47 years old. She's way older than that. But just having a conversation with her about how time feels different to her and feels different to me, I think that's the best thing that can come out of time changing is just you recognize it and you talk about it with the people that you love.

Alison Stewart (17:44)

Louisa, tell us about where you're this imaginary country, who your twin brother sometimes imagines himself to be.

Luisa Ramasukar (17:52)

Yeah, it's called Daspia. Joe's been. We've always had. There was Kalmorthica when we were five. I think this is Daspia now. We're 22 years old. Yes. And to be so honest with you, I didn't know a lot about Daspia before winter break when we had this conversation. And Joe, something that is really central to his identity is he paces a lot, and he thinks a lot about these worlds that he's imagining. And so it feels like, you know, he can be right next to you. He's my twin. He's the closest person to me, but it can feel like we live worlds apart, literally. And so when I got to sit down and really ask him about it, it was like a portal into who Joe is. And who Joe is is somebody who really, you know, he's acutely aware of this world, but he also has a really strong understanding of justice, and he wants it to be better. So he's always dreaming about things that are very similar to here, but just a little bit different, a little bit more. Just a little bit more. Like, be careful of that rattlesnake over there. We're from South Texas, our family. Or he's so smart, be sure to fall into a bush instead of the cactus because it has bacteria, was something he told me. And what we learned, too, is that that specifically was advice that our dad gave him years ago when we were at the ranch in South Texas. And so sometimes when it feels like he's going somewhere else, he's really resonating with a connection that we have with each other. And that was a lovely thing to learn.

Alison Stewart (19:20)

Well, let's hear Joe talk about what you just mentioned. This is from Joe's World. It's Louis Ceramo Sucard's podcast.

Colby McCaskill (19:28)

So now we are in the desert.

Announcer (19:30)

It's still pretty hot.

Colby McCaskill (19:31)

Not too much else happening here either. Oh, yeah. And if you hear a sound, do not go near it.

Announcer (19:38)

It's probably a rattlesnake.

Colby McCaskill (19:42)

Uh, just leave them alone.

Luisa Ramasukar (19:44)

Joe and I are close, the kind of close where, according to our parents, one twin used to wake up with the other's foot in their mouth, like a pacifier, back when we shared a crib. And as close as we are, for a lot of our lives, we've lived in different places. Joe's thoughts are his own. And even though there's such a big part of him, sometimes it feels like we lose him there.

Announcer (20:05)

Just enjoy the view.

Colby McCaskill (20:06)

Just enjoy the peace and quiet. All these. The birds chirping just out in nature. We're one with nature.

Alison Stewart (20:17)

As you think about that, Louisa, how do you hope people understand your relationship with Joe? Autism and the lived experience of people who are on the spectrum?

Luisa Ramasukar (20:27)

Yeah. So it's funny, I originally wanted to start this story, like, very focused on what RFK had to say about autism at the time.

Alison Stewart (20:37)

Interesting.

Luisa Ramasukar (20:38)

Yeah. And to connect it to that and having conversations with my parents, with Joe, it didn't feel right, simply because it's a spectrum. And I think that the message I would take away from this is to get to know every person very individually. Like, everybody experiences, you know, autism, neurodivergence very differently. And that's a beautiful thing that you can, like, literally see a different world if you take the time to have those conversations.

Alison Stewart (21:09)

It's interesting hearing you all talk about what inspires you and what inspires you to make audio. Now that you've finished this challenge, what's next for you, Sid?

Sid Walter (21:21)

That's the golden ticket question. I was talking with Luisa before this, and I was like, you know, people always ask me, what's next? That's kind of the classic question when you're a senior. And I don't take any issue with that question. I just think we should all be asking of ourselves all the time, because what's next is just simply that it's the next thing that I'm going to do after college, just like college was the next thing that I did after high school. And I think that, you know, when you're asking that question, you're reckoning with who do I want to be in the world? And who do I want to be for the world? And those are questions I think we should be asking ourselves all the time and reevaluating, like, what's next for me? Who do I want to be in this moment? To this moment? And so I think when thinking about that, I want to continue to tell stories, and I want to push the boundaries of my storytelling, and I want to make sure that I am doing that in community with people, however that looks. You know, I think, you know, there's always this joke when people ask me that question, and Louisa had said this joke earlier, and I'm stealing it from her.

Alison Stewart (22:09)

I got a question for you. It's okay.

Sid Walter (22:11)

The joke, which she said, which is, you know, so true, is people ask you, you know, oh, what's next? It's like, well, do you have a job to give me? Like, I'd be happy to take a job if you have one. So, you know, I think that those are the guiding principles. And then, of course, it's like, you know, I'm just trying lots of things. The applications are being sent out into the universe, and we'll just see kind of what finds my way. But I think, yeah, like, asking that question of yourself, too, like, no matter where you are in your world, because it's always an apt to ask, where

Alison Stewart (22:37)

do you hope podcast is heading? Luisa, where do you hope podcasting is heading?

Luisa Ramasukar (22:43)

Where do I hope it's heading? I hope. I see. Sorry, I see a lot of an integration of video right now in podcasting, and I hope that with that, we just hold on to the humanity and what you were talking about, the intimacy of audio storytelling. I'm not opposed. I'm a film major. I love video. I think that there's an opportunity to really get to know people through it. But just holding on to that unique opportunity to get to know people through audio.

Alison Stewart (23:15)

Colby, what did you learn from this challenge?

Colby McCaskill (23:21)

I was looking back at the script before on the train, up here or down here, I guess, and I was looking at the way that at the end of my picture, I kind of like, you know, you hear my grandpa talk, and then you hear me talking, my grandma talk. But at the end of the piece, I try to bring them together, and they almost have a conversation. I think the question I ask is, like, how much do you love Grammy? Or how much do you love Papa? And I, like, through my. Through my editing and through my skills, I can almost put them in conversation. And I think that was the most fun is not just interviewing them and not just telling them about how I'm feeling, but kind of like helping us have a really honest conversation together. And so that's what I learned, is that audio isn't just about reporting this is what happened, but it's about asking questions and having everyone weigh in on it. And you can put it all together and you can have a conversation that you can't otherwise have with this world that's so disjointed.

Alison Stewart (24:20)

Colby McCaskill, Luisa Ramasukar, and Sid Walter all made it to the top 10 of NPR's College Podcast Challenge. Congratulations to all of you and thank you for coming to the studio.

Sid Walter (24:31)

Thank you so much.

Colby McCaskill (24:31)

Congratulations. Thank you.

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