The Real Life 'Queen of Chess'

Summary

Podcast Summary: All Of It with Alison Stewart

Episode: The Real Life 'Queen of Chess' (March 19, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this episode of All Of It, host Alison Stewart interviews legendary chess grandmaster Judit Polgar, the youngest ever chess grandmaster and the only woman ranked in the world's top 10. The conversation centers on Polgar's life, her unprecedented chess career, and the new documentary Queen of Chess, directed by Rory Kennedy, which chronicles her journey. Together, they discuss her family's approach to education, the challenges she faced as a woman in a male-dominated sport, her rivalry with Garry Kasparov, and her thoughts on talent, training, and legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Genesis of the Documentary

• Choosing to Collaborate with Rory Kennedy
  • Polgar shares that, after the success of The Queen’s Gambit, she received numerous documentary offers, but valued working with Kennedy specifically because she was a woman and “did not play chess.” This outsider perspective, Polgar felt, could help tell her story to a wider audience unfamiliar with chess.
  • As Kennedy asked “very basic questions” about chess, Polgar became more aware of how to make the game’s drama accessible to non-players.

    “She has to understand all these things in order to present it to the big public who are not chess players, but they might be interested.” – Judit Polgar [04:44]

Why Chess is Compelling

• Polgar Describes Chess’s Allure
  • To her, chess is a game, a sport, and an educational tool, offering lessons in life, teamwork, rule-following, and analytical thinking:

    “You find life, the connections, the rules, you have to respect the rules… I play life also as a chess player in some ways.” – Judit Polgar [05:19]

The Polgar Family’s Unique Educational Approach

• Home-Schooling & Singular Focus

  • Polgar’s father believed in focusing his daughters’ education on mastery in one field (chess), to foster confidence and character.

    “He believes that you can have a successful and happy person if you’re focusing on one specific area and you gain self-confidence, you have success and you build your character and personality that way.” – Judit Polgar [07:37]

  • Her mother played a vital supporting role, managing logistics and providing a sense of family warmth.

• Life as a Child Prodigy

  • Polgar describes not viewing her upbringing as strange or isolating:

    “When you’re winning and you get this incredible feeling, you don’t even think about it. Why should I rebel? Why should I have a different life? And it fits to me very well.” – Judit Polgar [11:25]

  • By age nine, much of her day was spent training and competing internationally.

Media and Public Perceptions: “The Experiment”

• Resistance to the “Experiment” Narrative
  • The media often described the Polgar sisters’ upbringing as an ‘experiment,’ which Polgar found both frustrating and alienating.

    “You’re strange, you’re not normal, you’re not a regular kid, your parents are making an experiment with you… the outside world wanted to put a lot of pressure on me.” – Judit Polgar [12:23]

  • Polgar credits her family’s closeness with helping her withstand criticism and scrutiny.

Talent, Hard Work, and What Makes a Champion

• Nature vs. Nurture Debate

  • Polgar echoes her father’s belief that “geniuses are not born but made,” emphasizing hard work, resilience, and a love of the game over innate talent:

    “For me, my talent was that I’m ready to work hard… working and playing chess all day and recover and have the resilience and having the fighting spirit.” – Judit Polgar [14:01]

• Polgar’s Chess Style

  • She describes herself as aggressive, direct, and willing to take risks:

    “I was scary for my opponents… I’m not hiding away what my intentions are. I want to win. I’m ready to sacrifice half of the board in order to give checkmate.” – Judit Polgar [15:08]

• Key Skills for Chess Greatness

  • Creativity, self-criticism, analytical ability, willingness to handle monotony, resilience, logical thinking, and love for the game.

    “You have to be a creative person, you have to be self-critical a lot… you have to be able to stand the monotony, to work hard continuously. Resilience is something that essential.” – Judit Polgar [16:02]

Gender Barriers in Chess

• Discrimination and Dismissal
  • The 1980s and 90s were especially difficult, with dismissive attitudes and lack of respect toward women in chess:

    “That was rude… Women chess players… even today they may say sometimes that ‘ah, that’s woman chess’… like saying it’s bad chess, it’s low level chess.” – Judit Polgar [16:48]

  • Despite this, Polgar did not internalize the negativity, thanks to her family’s support and her own confidence.

Mentor and Rival: Garry Kasparov

• Admiration and Competition

  • Kasparov was an early idol for Polgar due to his dynamic style and straightforward personality:

    “He had that kind of playing style, which was very spectacular and very appealing to me… He was just a very young Kasparov, and he became world champion. He was only 22.” – Judit Polgar [19:27]

• Evolution of Their Relationship

  • Working and socializing with Kasparov marked a turning point, signifying his acknowledgment of Polgar’s skill.

    “This was the biggest sign that he acknowledged my chess knowledge, that he was curious about my thinking as well. And this was very special.” – Judit Polgar [21:19]

The Grandmaster Title and Achievements

• Becoming the Youngest Grandmaster
  • Polgar broke Bobby Fischer’s record, becoming a grandmaster at 15 years, 4 months, and 28 days.

    “Basically you have different titles and this is the biggest title you can get before becoming a world champion.” – Judit Polgar [22:43]

  • She describes the rigorous process and the need to maintain high-level performance.

On Inspiring and Supporting Future Generations

• Broadway’s ‘Chess’ and Encouraging Girls
  • Having seen the musical both in 1988 and recently in New York, Polgar reiterates the need for open-minded parents and coaches:

    “I think open mindset by parents and trainers, and I do hope that there is going to be new Judit Polgar in the future.” – Judit Polgar [23:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I was scary for my opponents… my style was very much straightforward… I want to win. I’m ready to sacrifice half of the board in order to give checkmate.” – Judit Polgar [15:08]
• “When you’re winning and you get this incredible feeling, you don’t even think about it. Why should I rebel?” – Judit Polgar [11:25]
• “That was rude.” – Judit Polgar [16:48], on gender attitudes in chess
• “He acknowledged my chess knowledge. He was curious about my thinking as well. And this was very special.” – Judit Polgar [21:19], on Kasparov inviting her to collaborate
• “For me, my talent was that I’m ready to work hard… having the fighting spirit and having that character traits what the competitor needs.” – Judit Polgar [14:01]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:17] Judit Polgar on why she agreed to do Queen of Chess documentary
• [05:19] Polgar explains why chess is deeply interesting to her
• [07:37] Discussion of her father's educational philosophy and home-schooling
• [12:23] Polgar’s uncomfortable relationship with being called an “experiment”
• [14:01] Debate on talent vs. hard work in chess greatness
• [15:08] Polgar describes her aggressive and direct playing style
• [16:48] Gender bias and attitudes toward women in chess during the 80s/90s
• [19:27] Polgar on Kasparov as idol and rival
• [21:19] The significance of Kasparov’s respect and their collaboration
• [22:43] Polgar breaks down requirements and meaning of the grandmaster title
• [23:53] On encouraging more girls and women to enter chess

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Tone and Style

True to the show's ethos, the conversation is candid, reflective, and practical. Polgar’s voice is direct yet warm, sharing both challenges and triumphs without melodrama, and Stewart’s questions are inviting and insightful, always seeking broader perspective for the cultural and personal aspects at play.

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Takeaways

• Judit Polgar’s life defies the typical chess or “child prodigy” narrative: Her journey is one of family-driven support, relentless work, and a radical disregard for imposed limitations—especially those based on gender.
• Work, resilience, and a love for the game outweigh innate talent.
• Real structural and attitudinal barriers existed (and persist), but confidence and a strong support system make a profound difference.
• Polgar hopes for—and works towards—future generations of girl chess players to have even more opportunities.

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Queen of Chess premieres soon at the Sundance Film Festival and will be available on Netflix. Judit Polgar remains an inspiration, not just as a woman in chess, but as one of the game’s greatest and most original players.

Transcript

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[Alison Stewart]

This is all of it on wnyc. I'm Alison Stewart. We really hope you enjoyed our Broadway on the Radio conversation last hour with some of the folks behind behind the Musical Chess. Now let's hear from a real life chess grandmaster. Judit Polger beat Bobby Fischer's record to become the youngest ever Grandmaster when she was 15 years old. She remains the only woman to ever be ranked in the top 10 chess players in the world, and she is considered one of the best chess players of all time. Judith's early success was thanks in part to the determination of her father. Along with her two older sisters, Judith's childhood in Hungary was consumed with daily, intensive chess training. Judith's father was determined to mold his three daughters into prodigies. But despite her success, Judith could not seem to beat one player, the Russian grandmaster Garry Kasparov. Their first meeting ended in an international controversy, and Judith spent many years trying to beat the man many considered to be the best chess player in the world. Judith's life and career are chronicled in the documentary Queen of Chess, which was directed by Rory Kennedy. And when Judith joins us here on the show to talk about it, I started by asking her how she reacted to the idea of a documentary about her life.

[Judith Polgar]

It was about two years ago that Rory reached out to me. While I had many inquiries for documentaries after the Queen's Gambit, there were a lot of themes coming up. And then my decision was, let's go with Rory on the documentary. And the reason was because I was kind of happy that a woman, a female filmmaker, is going to be working on my story. And also, I can say not everybody is sharing my view that it's a benefit. But for me, it was a pro. It was a plus that she does not play chess. So for me, it was a huge challenge. And I was so curious, how is she going to be, as she's so interested about my story that she wanted to show it to a wider audience that. How to show something that she has nothing to do with the sport. She didn't hear about my story myself, but the sport was not close to her heart at all. And it is very interesting for me how someone like that, that personality can. The insights, the drama, the tension, all these interesting things in this sport.

[Alison Stewart]

That's why it was so interesting, because you had to explain it to her. So you explained it to the audience as well?

[Judith Polgar]

Absolutely. It was very funny. When we were making the film itself, and Rory was asking so many questions, very basic questions.

[Alison Stewart]

What's a pond do?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, you know, what is it? Checkmate? And all these things. It's kind of funny. But I understood that she has to understand all these things in order to be able to present it to the big public who are not chess players, but they might be interested. And it's curious how this sport is about. Why is it interesting? Is there any tension? How can we show it the way that we express what it is?

[Alison Stewart]

Explain to me why chess is interesting.

[Judith Polgar]

Chess, for me, it was extremely interesting from the beginning. It was a game that it was interesting. There are six different characters of the game, and you have to make it a teamwork. Of course, in the beginning it was a game. Later on, it became a sport very fast, as I won my first international event when I was nine, here exactly. In New York. And later on, I had to be focusing more. So I was scientists as well, because you have to make a lot of analytical work in order to be improving your play a lot. So. And later on it became also I understood that the chess is very much an educational tool as well, which I'm very much involved these days. So chess is a game where you find everything. You find the life, the connections, the rules, you have to respect the rules. You have to know thousands and thousands of patterns to be able to manage yourself and play a good game and be successful. And I play life also as a chess player in some ways I understand that.

[Alison Stewart]

What was it like for you to see all of that footage of you

[Judith Polgar]

as a little girl to relive those moments and those times? It was very special, especially when I saw the movie for the first time. Of course, when I was a kid, I never dreamt of the fact that it's going to be a documentary about me and my family. And now looking back, it's very special to to see yourself as a child and developing as a teenager and later on a woman and also seeing yourself talking, giving interviews and of course, all the, the memories come back as well.

[Alison Stewart]

My guest is chess grandmaster Judith Polgar. We are talking about the new documentary about her life and career as a chess prodigy and player and the most accomplished female chess player in the world. I'm gonna say you're an accomplished chess player, not female. Queen of Chess premieres next week, ends at the Sundance Film Festival and will stream Netflix on February 6th. This all started with your dad, actually. Did he explain to you why he wanted you at such a young age to be devoted to chess?

[Judith Polgar]

Actually he had this idea that he wanted his children to be homeschooled, focusing on one specific area. I think it became because the way he didn't have an easy and he said he wants to show it. If he couldn't make it be genius in something, he wants to show it with his own children. And I was number three in the line. I have two older sisters and Susan was already playing chess from age 4. And he said that he believes that you can have a successful and happy person if you're focusing on one specific area and you gain self confidence, you have success and you build your character and personality that way. And he really believed in that from the very beginning. He said it to my mom before they had the children that this is his dream. So my mother was very skeptical. I mean, is this guy okay? What kind of strange things he has in mind? And then later on when Susan was there, she was supportive and she was very much partner in that. And well, I could become the person and the player who I am because of both of my parents, because they gave very different skills and mindset.

[Alison Stewart]

Well, what did your mom. Mom.

[Judith Polgar]

Well, she's also a teacher. Actually both of them are teachers by profession. And well, my mother was definitely the person who was the behind the person who gives the warm of a Family, she was doing everything, being in household, she was traveling, she was making visas, she was arranging everything around the trainers. As we were homeschooled, we were always home and playing chess daily, many hours. So she had to do lots of, lots of things. And she made all this background work.

[Alison Stewart]

Did you ever not want to be homeschooled? Did you ever want to go to a normal school when you were a kid?

[Judith Polgar]

No.

[Alison Stewart]

You liked the layout, you liked the way your parents presented it.

[Judith Polgar]

Well, in those times, you know, in the early 80s, I started to travel when I was seven or eight. In those times it was very special, especially being in Hungary, living in a socialist country. And in those times it was miracle. Wow, I can travel. I was 9 when I was traveling to New York for the first time. Even though I was playing all day, because I played two games and had no time really for anything special. But when you're walking, you have the feeling of the atmosphere of something really special. And this is incredible to see and visit so many different cultures when we were traveling and going for events. So that was too special.

[Alison Stewart]

What was your homeschooling like and how many hours did you spend playing chess?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, basically I was making giving exams annually. And in the very beginning it was like five minutes when I started to get familiar with the moves. But later on, by the time I was seven, I was playing maybe four, five hours, six hours a day. And when I was nine, I was already seven, eight hours. So most of the day filled up with training sessions with one or different coaches. I was also training with my sisters later on when I was already good enough to be a good match to them.

[Alison Stewart]

You know, sometimes when you point a child towards something and you say you do it, they say no. They rebel against it. No matter how good they are, they could be great at it, but they tend to rebel against it. Why do you think you didn't, why didn't you have a rebellion against playing chess?

[Judith Polgar]

I was just very successful from a very young age. And you get addicted when you're successful. I mean, you win a game and then you win another game, and then you win another game and people appreciate it. Not the opponents, of course, but the fans. And also I was very much supported, not only by my parents, but my sisters. We were so much together and we were so happy for each other's that when you're winning and you get this incredible feeling, you don't even think about it. Why should I rebel? Why should I have a different life? And it fits to me very well.

[Alison Stewart]

The media Sometimes referred to what your dad did as an experiment with you, and it's presented to you in the documentary, and you sort of, you know, bristle, but you sort of have a look on your face like, oh, this again. Why did it make you sort of uncomfortable to hear it referred to as an experiment?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, basically, when I was. I was a kid, this is the only thing I heard about that. You're strange, you're not normal, you're not a regular kid, your parents are making an experiment with you, while at the same time, I was sitting at home playing chess. And I felt kind of comfortable in that seat. And so the outside world wanted to put a lot of pressure on me. And I remember very well. Well, I was about age 12 or 13 when we had visiting every month to Germany. We had a meetup every month, and each time we had a press conference. And there also the press was pressing me that, why don't you go to school? How will you do it? Your parents are strange, etc. So actually, I was really pushed very badly. And at some point I cracked and I was like crying, and I said, okay, why do they attack me that way? You know? And then I. I became strong and I said, okay, now I'm going to deal with that, that I don't. Don't pay attention. But sometimes it was difficult that the outside world was putting so much pressure on you and your parents that. But this could be handled because we were so close to each other and we sisters, we were traveling together, chatting all the time together. Everything which we didn't agree on, we supporting each other. And that. That was something extremely strong. And this way I was defended.

[Alison Stewart]

How much do you think being good at chess is about natural talent?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, this is the big debate of my father also that he believes that the geniuses are not born but. But made that there is no talent. Such as. As just that. Okay, the big question is, what is talent? Right? So I think you might say there is talent, but without work, without hard work and support, it can be even against you. But for me, my talent was that I'm ready to work hard. I was ready and without pain. Working and playing chess all day and recover and have the resilience and having the fighting spirit and having that character trades what the competitor needs.

[Alison Stewart]

I'm speaking with Grandmaster Judith Polgar. We're talking about a new documentary called the Queen of Chess. It premieres next week at the Sundance Film Festival. How would you describe your style of chess?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, I was scary for my opponents.

[Alison Stewart]

You were scary?

[Judith Polgar]

Yeah. Because, you know, when I was little I didn't speak English and I was, I was very much at home and I had this special look which some players described it as a killer look. And my style was very much straightforward. It's like, you know, there are some people who say whatever they think immediately. This is exactly the style I had in chess that I'm not hiding away what my intentions are. I want to win. I'm ready to sacrifice half of the board in order to give checkmate, because that's what we are playing the game for. And so it was very clear from childhood that I'm playing spectacular chess, always sacrificing something. And the only thing in my mind is to give checkmate to the opponent. So I was very aggressive and attacker.

[Alison Stewart]

What do you think some of the key skills are needed to be good at chess or to be great at chess?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, you have to be a great, you have to be a creative person, you have to be self critical a lot. You have to be a great analyst, you have to be able to stand the monotony, to work hard continuously. Resilience is something that essential. Definitely. Well, logical thinking is not bad to have, obviously, and more or less these are the basics of it. And you have to love the game.

[Alison Stewart]

Okay, I remember the 80s and 90s. How would you describe the attitudes towards women in chess in the 80s and 90s?

[Judith Polgar]

That was rude.

[Alison Stewart]

Rude.

[Judith Polgar]

And I think in the documentary, if you see it, you understand what I mean.

[Alison Stewart]

It is, it is rude. That's the perfect word.

[Judith Polgar]

Well, men did not really respect it, to say the least. Women chess players, because even today they may say sometimes that ah, that's woman chess, like saying it's bad chess, it's low level chess. And this, this was very much what was in the air in those times. And when I started to win some games, my first game, which I won against the Grandmaster, I was 11 years old. Obviously everyone thought it's a mistake, it's a misunderstanding. It was by chance something happened to my opponent during that day. Even though it was a very fighting game, it was very interesting game with of course some mistakes. But it was very clearly that I won a good game. And it was for a long time that with me also they thought, okay, again, she was lucky again. A few days later, she was lucky again and again. And then, you know, eventually it was changing with time. But in the 80s, 90s, it was very much, very clear that actually even chess is not a physical sport. They could say that it had the biggest difference between the World number one male and the world number one female. There was bigger difference in chess than, let's say, in tennis or in physical sports. And it was not understandable at all. I mean, it's not a physical sport. It's a mental sport. And this is what was great from my parents, that they were so open about it and clear about it that you're girls, but what's the problem? You have a brain, and we give all the support so you can be as good as all the guys. And I grew up that way, and this is very important.

[Alison Stewart]

Did you ever feel bad when you were treated that way?

[Judith Polgar]

Not really, because I had the support system around me.

[Alison Stewart]

Yeah.

[Judith Polgar]

And we talked around and said, okay, what is this garbage? It doesn't make any sense. Of course you're gonna beat them.

[Alison Stewart]

Yeah. And you knew you were good, right?

[Judith Polgar]

And for my age, I was really good. People were not really able to follow the speed I was improving.

[Alison Stewart]

In chess, the film is structured, and it's, you know, it's a film, so it's structured a little bit around your rivalry with Garry Kasparov, considered one of the best chess players ever. When you were a kid, what did Gary mean to you?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, Gary was a big idol for me when I was a kid. And the reason is because he had that kind of playing style, which was very spectacular and very appealing to me. He was also. He's very much a personality of saying what he thinks. He's very much straightforward. He won many games in a. In a beautiful, tactical, stylish, energetic style. And I was following together with my sister Sophia, who is a year and a half older only. So we were having training sessions together. We were following him, and he was just a very young Kasparov, and he became world champion. He was only 22. He was the youngest world champion at the time, and this was amazing. I remember following his world championship matches, how it unfolded from week to week. Those times, it was really long matches. They were competing, fighting it out for a few months, and it was something really special to follow how such a youngster with so much energy and playing style could win. And then I met him for the first time when I was 12 years old in the Thessaloniki Chess Olympia, which is also covered in the documentary. And that was the event where I won, together with my sisters, the gold medal for Hungary. And there I could see him in person. And I got to know that he was watching my game, and that gave so much inspiration. And that was the first time when I met him.

[Alison Stewart]

It's interesting. I don't want to give away too much of the documentary, but you do get to know him. You went, I think to Croatia with him and seeing him as a person. How did that change your view of him as a chess player? Seeing him as a person, going to the beach, having a good time with him.

[Judith Polgar]

It was very interesting experience for me because of course, the chess players may be having a good relationship and kind of even friends and we meet each other a lot of events and I was playing with Kasparov for so many years, competing year after year, even a few times within the year. But it happens with not so many people that they, they kind of have the respect for you, not only as a chess player or once they have respect as a chess player, they also invite to your, your base and they want to know you better and maybe work together even. And this is what happened with, with Gary, that this was a very big thing for me when he invited. And the reason is because this was the biggest sign that he acknowledged my chess knowledge, that he was curious about my thinking as well. And, and this was very special. And of course, when you work with someone several hours a day for a week or even longer time, you get to know the person better in, in very regular circumstances, in everyday life. And, and that is something great thing when you can meet the huge champion, big champion, especially if it's your idol.

[Alison Stewart]

Judy became a grandmaster at 15 years, 4 months and 28 days, just a month younger than the previous record held by Bobby Fischer. What does it take to be considered a grandmaster in chess?

[Judith Polgar]

Basically you have different titles and this is the biggest title you can get before becoming a world champion.

[Alison Stewart]

And it's the biggest thing. It was a big deal when you beat him.

[Judith Polgar]

It was a huge thing. And becoming a grandmaster, it means that you have to make a performance several times. And It's a rating 2500 that you have to reach and you have to perform it in a certain number of games. It's 24 games you have to show. You have to give the exam, so called. So you're showing that you have that level and then you get the title, but after that you have to keep this level. So you have to test yourself again and again. You can never lose the title, but once you win, you can, you still have to stay there by rating points.

[Alison Stewart]

I have to ask, have you seen Chess on Broadway since you've been in New York?

[Judith Polgar]

Actually, I did yesterday. Last night.

[Alison Stewart]

You saw it last night?

[Judith Polgar]

Well, it was amazing. It was very funny because I saw it first in London 1988 quite some years ago and yesterday I saw it and it was a fantastic performance by everyone actually.

[Alison Stewart]

What do you think it will take to get more women, more girls involved in chicken?

[Judith Polgar]

I think open mindset by parents and trainers and I do hope that there is going to be new Judith Polgar in the future.

[Alison Stewart]

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