C (2:55)

Say that fast three times.

A (2:57)

Yeah. Really. So let's explain kind of what the basic idea is here.

C (3:06)

Well, it's, you have to remember, you really do have to go back to basics. That's the key word. You have to remember that these are cold LED TV sets, but they're not. They're still, for the most part now even I'm doing it. LCDT, LCD TVs. You know, it's complicated. When I'm slowing down, right, there still is a liquid crystal display that is the, the light gate that's shuddering on and off to determine whether there's some thing to be shown. What is behind that is a backlight. In the origin of lcd, it was a ccfl, a cold cathode fluorescent tube. A fluorescent tube then. And that's why they were so thick in those days that lit up the LCD. But then they went to LEDs. Because they're more energy efficient.

A (4:03)

Yeah, they're more energy efficient. And. And they're little tiny spots of light rather than lines of light.

C (4:14)

Yes. Well, and again, we went through the whole thing of whether it's edge lit or backlit, and now pretty much everything is backlit. But they went from LEDs to mini LEDs to micro LEDs, which determines the size of the actual LED. But they were either white or they were filtered. They were blue and filtered to colors, and that's what determines how the set works. But LED is a nice thing to sort of, you know, hang your marketing on. And that's what the brands did.

A (4:48)

Yeah. And most of them are called LED TVs, or when they.

C (4:52)

And that just drives me crazy.

A (4:54)

I know, me too. Me too. And then more recently, quantum dots were put into the picture, and so they became QLEDs.

C (5:02)

Right. And quantum dots for those of them. I'm sure everybody here knows it better than I do. That's the, the dope, the stuff, the goop that goes onto the LEDs to fine tune the color.

A (5:15)

Well, actually, allow me to, to refine that a little bit. So with quantum dots, you have blue LEDs in the backlight and then red and green quantum dots embedded in a plastic film that sits in front of the LEDs. And the blue light from the LEDs causes the red and green quantum dots to glow red and green with much.

C (5:39)

More precision than previously. And that's the whole appeal. That's where the QD thing became a big benefit.

A (5:48)

Right. And some of the blue light from the, from the LEDs passes through and doesn't hit any quantum dots. So coming out of the film, you have red, green, and blue that combine to form white. Then that goes through the LCD shutters, which have little color filters. Red, green, and blue color filters that actually form the picture. Well, now we have this new technology called RGB mini LED or RGB micro LED, in which instead of having blue LEDs shining through quantum dot film. You actually have red, green and blue LEDs in the backlight forming what I would call a low res version of the image that's going to be on the screen.

C (6:45)

And the best way, if people are looking for, you know, something to resonate and explain this, if you harken back to my good old days of CRT projectors, CRTs at all, there were red, blue and green guns in the OR tubes in the CRT or the, or the projector. And this is sort of analogous to that. We have individual RGB light sources, right?

A (7:15)

Exactly. And so these just pass right through the LCD layer and through. There are still color filters on each of the red, green and blue subpixels within the LCD layer and you end up with a high resolution image. Now the, the advantages of this, they are claimed advantages are better color, higher brightness, no white haloing. That is if you have a bright object on a dark background with these backlit LCD TVs you can sometimes see a halo around them. And there's many, many dimming zones because.

C (8:01)

That'S where the micro part comes in, correct? Because There are more LEDs to be individually turned on and off. But that's one of the things where to sort of jump ahead to the next part. That's where the OLED folks say but we can turn on and off every pixel where these guys, where the, the Mini or micro LED guys can't.

A (8:27)

Right now this technology does have a few problems of its own, which we're going to talk about a little later. But for the moment let's, let's go into some of the products that were at the show.

C (8:43)

So one of the things that you have to sort of add in here going forward is that the whole dynamics of the TV business, the TV set business has changed dramatically over the last few years with the original initial American legacy brands, the RCAs, the Zeniths, the, you know, Dumont if you will, you know, Motorola, Quasar, that whole lot of folk. For a variety of economics and political reasons they were surpassed by what then became the dominant legacy Japanese brands, the Sonys, the Panasonics, the Toshiba's, the Hitachis, Sharp who came back this year, that group of companies. And they dominated the business for, you know, decade or so. But then on the scene came the Korean brands, the LG and Samsung's and they've sort of just steamrolled the other folk out of the market. But now in the last 10 years you've seen the rise of The Chinese brands and predominantly the Hisense and tcls of the world. And they're, you know, not quite number two, but they're gunning for it. But if they're not number one, that we're number two. We're number two. And, and, and that's really changed it so that if you looked on the floor, you saw LG in their usual place, you saw. Oh, you didn't see Samsung. Samsung totally decamped from the convention center and they took over a huge ballroom in the Wynn Hotel. The space that was occupied in past years by Samsung. The largest booth on the CES floor was now the TCL booth. And where the TCL booth was was the Hisense booth. So that's a business and marketing thing. But that was what all the noise was about at ces. And then that turns back to what Scott was saying about this year. Yes. AI, AI, AI, AI. Okay, I got it. But the technology was the front story this year with all of these new backlight Blu backlight unit, combinations of different flavors of mini LEDs or micro LEDs backlighting the LCD screen. So I hope that, you know, sort of explains it rather than makes it more complicated.

A (11:16)

Well, we have a little bit of historical context, which is good.

C (11:19)

Well, but it's important because, I mean, these guys were, you know, I wouldn't say it was fisticuffs, but it was marketing fisticuffs because they were each staking out their place in the market and their technology. And to some extent, it's analogous to Dolby vs. DTS.

A (11:42)

Or.

C (11:45)

Let'S see, what's another? Well, Atmos vs. DTS X or Dolby Vision vs. HDR10, HDR10 plus, where there are different companies, different technologies trying to do the same thing and reach the same goal, but through a different path.

A (12:04)

Right. Well, let's take a look at some of the products that you saw. The first one that I have up is the Hisense 160 name.

C (12:14)

Name an RGB technology. And they had it.

A (12:16)

Yeah.

C (12:18)

And, and through a vast. And they don't do OLED. So this was all LED. Now what you have on the screen is 116ua, 116 UXs, RGB, but it's not RGB, it's RGBC. Because if you can have three colors of RGBs, why isn't four better? So they've, they've added a cyan and it's huge. It's 116. The picture was great. Do not anybody please ask me whether this thing, you know, which one was better? Because other than one display that I'm sure we'll get to later on or in the next episode, with tcl, you couldn't see these things side by side.

A (13:05)

Right.

C (13:06)

So you had to rely on your visual memory to say which one was better. But they were all pretty bloody good.

A (13:13)

Yep, yep. So this one adds a cyan sub pixel and I wanted to mention that it's got an audio system, a built in audio system by a company called deviale which is very high end and.

C (13:30)

And again with the noise floor of the convention center.

A (13:35)

Oh, who can tell?

C (13:36)

You know, I mean, for goodness sakes, you couldn't, you couldn't tell. But I mean deviale has a very good reputation and. Oh yeah, you know, I, I've heard them at Cedia and they're very, very highly respected.

A (13:50)

Yep.

C (13:51)

And of course AI to do this and AI for, you know, content recommendation. But again this year, the focus on AI along with its place in the content recognition was the picture pixel control. Because when you've got these millions of little Mini or in some cases with Samsung and others, micro LEDs, the control of them requires quite a fair amount of processing power.

A (14:22)

Yep.

C (14:22)

And. And that all goes into the Cuisinart and you press the button and mix it and see how it comes out.

A (14:30)

Right. These all have AI based processors and AI based user interfaces and recommendation engines. So we can sort of.

C (14:40)

And those were the pitches at the, at the press events and in the booths.

A (14:45)

Right. Hisense also had two less. Well, lower end, if we can even call them that, RGB mini LEDs. The UR9 which has screen sizes, will have screen sizes from 55 to 100.

C (15:03)

Inches also, which, which I have to interrupt there because that's another trend that's definitely continued through CES and the European shows, ISC and IFA and Cedia where bigger is better. There weren't a small set to be seen. They still make them. But 43 is small.

A (15:28)

Yeah.

C (15:29)

I mean you just, you know, put yourself in the time capsule and go back and say a 43 inch set is small.

A (15:35)

Yeah, I remember when that was huge.

C (15:38)

Yeah, I remember when you couldn't do that.

A (15:41)

Yeah, yeah.

C (15:43)

So, you know, to see these, these large size screens not being considered large was, Was pretty interesting.

A (15:51)

Yep. And then the step down from this is the ur8, same thing, RGB mini led. I don't think these two have cyan sub.

C (16:00)

No, they don't. No, the cyan is. I mean that's a higher end.

A (16:03)

Yeah.

C (16:04)

You know, thing.

A (16:05)

Yeah. And both of these also though have audio systems by dev.

C (16:09)

So and, and I would hope that somewhere along the line I'll find someplace where I can go and actually listen to them and, and see because you know again it, these are high end audio systems but with little teeny tiny speakers instead or with you know, satellite speakers for the surrounds.

A (16:34)

Right. Right now hisense did have one micro LED direct view which is not.

C (16:43)

And and for that, that says micro led but just for clarity let's call those DV LEDs because it, the DV stands for direct view because there, there ain't, there ain't no stinking filter, there ain't no sticking LCD. You are looking at, at the panel, at the LEDs and what some of the brands called it to avoid because they, they as well wanted to avoid the confusion. They call these direct emissive.

A (17:16)

Right.

C (17:16)

As opposed to backlight.

A (17:18)

Right.

C (17:18)

But generally when, when I'm writing about this for residential tech today and hidden wires, you call these DV led and that's the categorical name for these Right.

A (17:31)

Now this is a giant. This is 163 inches.

C (17:34)

Yep, yep, yep.

A (17:35)

And interestingly they also added a fourth sub pixel this time yellow which interestingly.

C (17:43)

Is something that sharp back in.

A (17:47)

Now it was, it was Phillips I thought.

C (17:49)

No sharp. Also back in the day they had a yellow led maybe memory as they say, memory fades. Right. But I mean it's not a new concept but it is now done with these micro LEDs. And the picture was, was, was really really good and the price was really.

A (18:15)

Really, really really high. If you, you know, if you have to ask. You can't afford it.

C (18:19)

Exactly.

A (18:20)

Well, LG was also in on the micro LED backlight TV game.

C (18:28)

But not to the exclusion of oled.

A (18:31)

Correct. I'm gonna talk about OLED in the next episode.

C (18:35)

Right, but, but you know, because that's where we are now in the discussion. But you know, leave anyone not to be confused that, that they're still pushing OLED big, big time.

A (18:47)

Yeah, yeah. But they had a micro RGB LED backlit LCD tv.

C (18:53)

And if you notice in this slide that you've got and LG both had an off site press briefing presentation that I attended as well as the booth and the things on that slide also show where LG in this case in particular and the other brands in general were pushing the feature set which is over on the right hand side. 330Hz motion booster. Now it's really 165 but that's significantly faster than we used to See, and that is, is an appeal to the gaming world at the other end where you see 100% of BT 2020. That was something that up until recently, like within the past year, you could only do in a projector. You could only do when we used to go to the TV Academy and watch the, you know, six head Christie Dolby Vision Projector. Right. That could do 100% of BT 2020. But you couldn't do that on a set.

A (19:59)

Now you can actually, actually, no you can't. This I believe, this I believe is a deceptive marketing practice and we're going to talk about that in a minute. So let's put that aside just for the moment.

C (20:16)

Well, but I did also run into our friend Joe Kane.

A (20:20)

Oh, did you? I haven't seen him in a while.

C (20:21)

At the show. Yeah, he's, he's, he's Joe Kane, you know, and, and God bless him, he's, he's a great guy.

A (20:28)

Yep.

C (20:28)

And you know, and he would just sort of grouse about this as, as is his nature because he's a color purist.

A (20:35)

Yes.

C (20:36)

And you go, well, there is no BT 2020 content, so what's the big deal? And I've heard that other. But it's a great marketing thing and it takes people like you to set the record straight on this. But notice what's on this side.

A (20:58)

What do you mean that this is.

C (21:00)

Something that they're promoting?

A (21:01)

Oh yes, yes, yes. And, and I'm gonna, I'm, I am gonna do my best to, I mean, yes, they, to debunk it to some degree because it's not entirely correct.

C (21:17)

But that won't stop people from promoting it.

A (21:19)

No.

C (21:19)

And to be fair to og, they were all doing it.

A (21:23)

Yes, correct.

C (21:24)

They were all doing four brands.

A (21:26)

Yeah.

C (21:27)

LG, Samsung, TCL and Hisense were all saying 110% of BT 2020, which is.

A (21:33)

Which is physically impossible.

C (21:36)

So. What? Yeah, oh, I'm sorry. I said I wouldn't make you laugh.

A (21:40)

That's right.

C (21:40)

But you know, but it's a marketing thing.

A (21:44)

Exactly.

C (21:45)

And, and you know, and all of the brands were pushing this, which gives you a feeling as a consumer, Mr. And Ms. Listener out there. That's, that's what you're gonna see. You're gonna be bomb bought when these sketch sets start to roll out. You're gonna be bombarded with this stuff.

A (22:04)

Yep, yep. Well, one more TV to take a look at. And that was from Samsung, the R95H. Another micro RGB TV. Here's a picture you actually Took on the show floor.

C (22:17)

Yep. That was. That was in their display in the Win. And because. Because they weren't in the convention floor. And it is the same design language that they've used before with their 85s, but now it's this sort of easily kind of thing. And. And again, you know, with the caveat that these shots were taken either with my old Sony Nex 3, which I'm afraid I may have to get rid of because it's not as good as it used to be at one point or with my Pixel 9 XL Pro. So it doesn't do it justice. But the. The picture was. Was really, really good.

A (22:57)

This, I believe, was the largest micro RGB LCD TV on this. On the floor at 130 inches.

C (23:05)

I believe so. Well, or on the. In the exhibit.

A (23:08)

In the exhibits. Yeah. Not on the show floor. I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last year they showed one like this at 115 inches with a list price of $30,000.

C (23:20)

And I don't believe the price and availability has been announced for this yet, but if you can afford it, you don't have to ask. And more power to you.

A (23:30)

Exactly. But the press release did say that 2026 would see 55, 65, 75, 85, 100, 115 inches. So as we were saying before, a lot of quote unquote, smaller sizes as well.

C (23:45)

Well, smaller relative to 130. And one interesting thing when we were talking just a little bit ago when I was mentioning dvled that again, if you roll the pages back on the calendar two or three or four years, both to CES and cedia, the big focus was the wall.

A (24:06)

Right.

C (24:07)

Directly from Samsung and not mentioned. You know where to go. It's still there. And they have a big business in that, particularly in the commercial, industrial and enterprise world. But that was not the focus at all. It wasn't. It wasn't even mentioned.

A (24:25)

Wow.

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A (26:54)

Okay, well I want to address in the last part of this episode the this 100% BT 2020 claim that all of them were making my friend and yours, Jeff Urich, who is the VP of marketing at Nanisys and who guy.

C (27:14)

Who knows what he's talking about.

A (27:15)

He knows. He knows his technology really, really well.

C (27:18)

Yep.

A (27:21)

He pointed out to me that no LCD based display can reach BT 2020 100%. It can only be done with carefully tuned lasers since the BT 2020 primaries are what are called monochromatic. And he sent me a graphic to show what this means. That here on the, on the left you can see true BT 2020 where the primaries are these thin little lines, right? Yep. But on the right you have the spectrum of, of a tv, probably a Mini or a micro led, rgb, LED backlit LCD tv. Say that five times fast, as we know. And it's not super thin lines, it's peaks and valleys. And that means it can't be done. So it's, It's a little misleading. And I'm going to keep saying that. Now they do get closer than TVs in the past, probably around 91, 92%, he says. The previous record holder was the Vizio R series, if you can believe that, at 87%. Now, Jeff goes on to say that claims of 100% BT 2020 coverage are likely based on the area of the coverage triangle in the CIE chart. But that triangle doesn't perfectly align with the BT 2020 triangle. We have that in a graphic as well.

C (29:14)

Yep.

A (29:16)

So the, in this graphic, you can see the black triangle is actually BT 2020, and the white triangle is the color gamut, if you will, of an RGB mini LED model in which the red, green and blue were measured separately or sequentially. And then the third triangle you can see there is in kind of gray is the same RGB mini LED with R, R, G and B on at the same time. And then just measuring the green, the blue and the red. So they're not aligned perfectly with BT 2020, but the area might be close to the same in terms of area measurement.

C (30:07)

But. And there are other things that I know you're going to talk to, and this is something that's, you know, will hold over, I guess, to the. To the next episode, that tcl, when they were talking about their SQD sets, which are not rgb, that they were, you know, talking about some of the other issues that can happen with the RGB just because of the nature of having three LEDs per color as opposed to one and the filters. So there's no perfect. Jeff is clearly right. There's nothing perfect in any of these. And each manufacturer will promote their own technology and what they feel is, is delivering the best picture. Clearly, it'll be theirs right at the end of the, at the end of the day, it's up to the viewer. You know, what I think is a good set is likely to be different from what our buddy Joe Kane thinks. And you know what you see, it's in the eyes. It is literally in the eyes of the boulder.

A (31:15)

True enough.

C (31:15)

And again, I have to say, in fairness to all the brands, all of these sets looked really good when viewed in a vacuum. When you put them together, then which you don't get very often.

A (31:32)

You mean next to each other?

C (31:34)

Yeah, together. Yes, obviously next to each other. You know, then you can say, oh, yeah, that one's better. That one, not so much. Wow, that one's really good. Well, individually, each of these is significantly better than what we've seen in past years.

A (31:48)

Yeah, Yeah. I just wanted to quickly mention a couple of problems that other artifacts that these RGB LED backlights can exhibit. For example, color haloing. You know, I mentioned earlier that with a white backlight, you can see white halos around bright objects on dark backgrounds. Now you're going to see colored halos, which could be even more distracting. Hard to say.

C (32:21)

And TCL pointed that out.

A (32:23)

Yeah. And there's another thing called color crosstalk. For example, you might get some crosstalk, some green bleeding into the blue, or vice versa. And you can see some hue shifts in real time, especially evident in skin tones. For example, did any of the demos you saw on these sets include human faces? Nope, I would bet not.

C (32:53)

And human faces with a diverse group of people, even more different skin tones, which is even harder.

A (33:04)

Yes.

C (33:04)

Because everybody's, you know, skin pigmentation is different.

A (33:10)

Right.

C (33:10)

And there was none of that. It was typical classic demo material.

A (33:18)

Right.

C (33:18)

Even the set, even the slides that you showed, you could see what they were using.

A (33:25)

Right, Right, exactly. Hey, everybody.

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A (34:51)

One last thing to show before the end of this episode. And that's a little video clip that Jeff Urich at Nanisys also sent me. Admittedly, this is from lg, illustrating one potential artifact with this new RGB mini LED backlight technology. Take a look. So here we can see some color, color crosstalk on an OLED on the left. They, they look nice and sharp and crisp, but there actually is some bleed. I'm sorry, that wasn't an OLED on the left. That's, that's an RGB mini led. And local dimming can cause this really bad crosstalk at the boundaries between colors.

C (35:52)

It's interesting that, that you're showing this, Scott, because in the LG off site suite they showed a demo very similar to what Jeff has constructed here of a mini RGB versus an oled.

A (36:10)

Right. And here we can see that dragging a white flag, but you can see the color of the plane affecting a little band of color on the white flag colors smear. And the previous little bit was showing how flesh tones can, can be affected by the color of the background. So. And, and I must say, this is not from the. Jeff didn't put this together. This was put together by lg. Oh, go.

C (36:44)

Then, then, then that's exactly. I, I thought you said that Jeff, Jeff sent it to you.

A (36:49)

Jeff sent it to me. But together by lg.

C (36:53)

So that is exactly the demo that. Not with the, with the airplanes, but they have one with a little choo choo train. And they had the exact same type of demo to prove that point where even though LG is using both technologies, their heart belongs to lc. I'm sorry, Their heart belongs to oled.

A (37:16)

Correct, correct.

C (37:16)

And, and that exact demo. And they even had a screen with the LCD panel removed. And you were just looking at the backlight through the filter to show. To prove that point. So for all the noise at CES about all of these new variations of LED backlight technology there. Don't take that dear viewer listener to think that OLED is dead.

A (37:48)

Right, right, right, you are. Even though LG is working on the same technology.

C (37:55)

Well, you know, they, as my father used to say, they got to make their numbers right. And, and, well, it's not, I mean, and it's more than that because of all the competition from the other brands, they would be remiss if they didn't have RGB sets. Yep. Or just regular LED backlit sets because the rest of the market is being, you know, drowned in it. That, and given the price differential and given the, the brightness, although, that they were claiming up to 4,500 nits for, for OLEDs. But, you know, good luck with that. But, you know, TCL was claiming 10,000 nits for their, for their SQDs, so it's, it's necessary for them from a financial marketing standpoint to have something. So they're, you know, playing both sides of the. The fence.

A (38:54)

Yep. Yep. Well, listen, that's enough for now, I'd say we got so much more to.

C (39:01)

Talk to everybody yet.

A (39:03)

We got a lot more to talk about. We'll do that in the next couple episodes. For now, why don't you let us know where people can find you online?

C (39:12)

You can find me online in residential tech today, restech, today.com and hidden wires, hiddenwires.co.uk you know, sort of two different markets with different views. And you'll see my coverage there. And as always, I welcome the opportunity to, to help Scott out with home theater geeks.

A (39:34)

Well, thanks. And don't forget your own website. Michaelheist.com Yep.

C (39:38)

Yeah, that guy. Who is that guy? And the. Whoops. Where are they? And these guys?

A (39:43)

Well, thanks, Mike. I really appreciate it.

C (39:45)

Anytime, Scott. Yeah, so I'm gonna send you some chicken soup.

A (39:50)

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I could use it. So. So that's part one of three of our coverage of ces. Most of the time, though, I love to answer listener questions. So if you've got one for me, send it along to htgwit TV and I'll answer as many as I can right here on the show. I'm also looking for interesting home theaters from our listeners, so if you have one, send me a couple of pics again to HTG at TWiT TV and maybe we'll get you on the show. Until next time, geek out.