Micah Sargent (4:56)

Yeah, yeah, that's true. If it's ready to rock, then you make it rock. Now when it comes to these devices you speak about sort of the mid range and then of course kind of the low range with the iPad, no name. Where do you see these iPads falling in terms of the people who probably benefit most from these devices, who should be buying the air versus the pro or the standard. I know it always gets a little confusing, confusing and muddy. But for somebody who is truly in the market for an iPad, how do you guide someone on which iPad to get?

Dan Moran (5:38)

You've asked a 64 billion dollar question, Micah. Yeah, inflation, you know, it's tricky. The iPad is I think one of the hardest lines in terms of Apple's products to be able to help people figure out which iPad is right for them. And I think that's because the lines in terms of what distinguishes these models from one another is, are very squ. The iPad air and the base level iPad at 349 actually have a lot in common. They have roughly the same camera system, they've got the same sort of USB C ports. The major differentiators in there are, you know, obviously the processor which we discussed, the new revised base level iPad has an A16 processor which is a few years old at this point. It is the processor that ran the iPhone 14 Pro line and the iPhone 15 line. Obviously we're expecting maybe an iPhone 17 this fall. So we're talking, you know, three or so generations back there. That said, Apple's processors are all really good. If there's one thing we've learned in the Apple silicon era, it's that their, their tech in chips has a lot of longevity to it. So you don't necessarily run into these situations where it can't do things. The one major exception this time around is that base level iPad and its A16 processor are not compatible with Apple intelligence. This is a little unusual because every other product that Apple has rolled out recently on both the iPad, the iPhone, the Mac, all of those are Apple intelligence compatible. It's just this one. So that's one easy dividing line. If you are really excited about using Apple intelligence, the base level iPad is not for you. Some people find the selling point to not have Apple intelligence. Yeah, I'm going to let you make that decision. You can always turn it off if you buy a more expensive iPad.

Micah Sargent (7:26)

It's fine.

Dan Moran (7:27)

The base level iPad also only comes in one size. It's just that now I believe what they're calling now 11 inch display, even though it's slightly under 11 inches. Whereas both the air and the pro come in both 11 inch and 13 inch flavors. So if you're looking for a larger iPad that's automatically going to bump you up to the iPad air. Beyond that, you know, I don't know, the Air and the baseline iPad in particular, I think are very close in terms of what they offer. The Air also has a better screen somewhat, but it's again, it's very squishy. Like you said. It's hard to go in with just somebody and say like, this is what you, what are you looking for? I do think that Apple intelligence thing is a key differentiator. I think the other thing that might be important for a lot of people is accessory compatibility because both the iPad Air and the iPad Pro offer a magic keyboard version that is compatible with their respective devices. And those are the keyboards that Apple has where it includes, you know, both like a trackpad and a keyboard. The base level iPad uses the keyboard, say the Magic Keyboard Folio. I love their, I love their product names. They're so good. That one's a little bit different. It is a like two part thing where, you know, you attach sort of like a kickstandy part to the back and then, you know, it has like a section that kind of folds out, but it also has a trackpad. It's just a slightly different machine with a different way of like hinge design and all that. You know, that could be a differentiator. The pencil versions that work with them, they both work with the USB C pencil that was like introduced a few years back. But you can also get the, if you want the magnetic attaching pencil, you need to go up to the Air, otherwise you're kind of stuck with the one that connects with just a USB C cable instead. The iPad Pro is, you know, the high end. It's everything. It's got everything but the kitchen sink in there. It's got the best screen, it's got the best processor, you know, it's got better sound, it's got better display. Like all of these things, it's just, it's the best. But it's also incredibly expensive. Right? You're talking from the base level iPad which starts at $349, to the air, which starts at, I believe, $600. And then in order to go up to the Pro, you're talking about a thousand dollars. So it's quite a big investment. If you're going all the way up to Pro, you get a bunch of better, you know, like I said, better cameras, better screen, better chip. Like it's really got everything. But the question is, what is the utility of all these things? Unless you are really like putting your iPad to the test, it is harder to sort of figure out what is, what is the use case for that thousand dollars. But it is certainly the. If you want no compromises, the iPad Pro is the one to get.

Micah Sargent (10:16)

Absolutely, yeah. This is especially, I think, the accessory questions that I often get around accessories and going, okay, now does this pencil work with this? Can you use a third party stylus that supports and the Logitech crayon, the base iPad pencil, or, excuse me, Apple Pencil versus the Pro versus the. Yeah, that all gets very messy. And then you throw the cases in there and the keyboard cases and that. That part I have found confusing in the past. And you and I talked too about how quickly you go from what is a tablet to basically having a hefty laptop, depending on what accessories you add to it. And then you start to ask, is it better to just go over to, you know, Air or something like that?

Dan Moran (11:08)

Yeah, I mean, like we just said that iPad Pro starts at $1,000. Now, that's before you buy the keyboard accessory, if you want one. Right. A laptop comes with a keyboard and a trackpad. So you are out pricing the base level MacBook Air at that point, which is, you know, it's a decision to make. Obviously there's things that a MacBook Air can't do. You can't pull the screen off a MacBook Air and just have a little tablet to walk around with. If that's something that interests you, I. Yes, that's right. You can do any of these things once, but it's when you put it back together again, it gets a little messier. So it's a tough that that top end gets a little tricky in terms of how much it lines up to. Like, should you just consider a laptop at that point?

Micah Sargent (11:47)

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Dan Moran (15:08)

Well, a few things. First of all, you know, we talked about processors with the iPads previously. That's sort of the big news. Here is the MacBook Air gets the M4 processor. We've already seen versions of this throughout Apple's other products on the Mac line. We've seen the Mac Mini, we've seen the MacBook Pro with the various flavors of M4. So it's not really a surprise in that regard. We knew Apple's been pretty consistent about sort of rolling out generations of this stuff, especially the MacBook Air, which is probably its best selling Mac. Right. So no surprise there that it gets the M4 along with all the attendant benefits of that. In terms of other surprises. Well, there is a new color, sky blue. How blue it is depends on, I guess, what angle you look at it from. Apple has been very conservative, let's say, with its colors in recent years, especially on the Mac line. So this is now supplants, I want to say the space gray is now gone. I believe you now have sky blue join Silver Starlight in midnight. Take from it what you will. Some of the pictures I've seen online are pretty faint, hard to tell. So you might have to, if you, if you're interested, I would always go, say, go look at it in a store first before you commit to a color. The other interesting decision here that I think is kind of big is the base level MacBook Air starts at 999. Now you might say to yourself, well, didn't it always start 999? And the answer is sort of last year when it rolled out the M3 versions, it did not seem able to get that 999 price point. So what they did instead, because it started at 10.99, they kept the older M2 version around at 9.99 so they could hold on to that sub 1000 price point. There were a lot of suppositions at the time like, oh, well, you know, the cost curves again on these things are hard to get down. Maybe this is the future that we're seeing, right? Next year we'll get the M4 and they'll keep the M4 M3 around 999. But that did not happen. Instead they managed to get that base level M4 at 999. That's a big deal because I think in, in no small regard, it makes that base level MacBook an extremely attractive and very solid computer. We've seen a lot of examples in the past where it's like, okay, they start at 999, but in order to get one that's actually like good, you got to go up like a couple Hundred bucks. I think that M4, that M4 base level at 999 is a pretty solid offering, especially since Apple also revamped its RAM the board last year, upping everything to a minimum of 16 gigabytes. So you get 16 gigabytes, you get a 256 gigabyte SSD. Might that be a little small? Perhaps if it's your only computer. But if this is a laptop you were buying in addition to having a desktop, I think you might be able to get by with it. I have an M1 Air that's still not full at 256 because I don't use it for all my data storage. But even then, you know, that's still a pretty good price to start with. And if you want to just, you don't have to think about, oh God, I got to upgrade both the RAM and the storage in order to get something that's usable. It does at least provide a more welcome like price point to start with there. So in addition to that, there's a couple other small improvements as with, I want to say the, was it the, the imac G. The G4, G4, M4IMAC. I'm dating myself here. We also saw a revamped front camera here. This has been making its way across Apple's Mac lines. It's the center stage compatible 12 megapixel, I want to say that replaces the old 1080p front camera that was previously there. So provides a little better, you know, image if you're doing video chatting and stuff like that, a little bit nicer there. Other than that it is largely the same. The other nice thing that is brought along with that M4 though is the capability to run two displays in addition to the built in display. This is something that a lot of people wanted. It's been a slow process with the MacBook Air for a while. You could only run one and then it had a situation where it's like, well, you can run two external displays but you can't run the internal display at the same time. So you have to run it like lid closed. People made a lot of fuss about this. I mean, you know, again, it's not necessarily a feature that everybody needs, but I think for those people who do need it, this is a welcome addition to be able to, to do that as well. Beyond that, the other sort of nicety for those looking to maybe upgrade a little bit is there is a higher memory threshold. Previously the M3 Air only went up to 24 gigabytes of RAM. You can now upgrade the M4 to 32 gigabytes of RAM, which is again, pretty respectable if you're willing to pay for Apple's never cheap RAM costs. Yeah, so yeah, overall a pretty solid offering. I believe also that though that base level is the what we call the binned version of the M4 processor, which is to say it generally doesn't have as many. They take the ones with fewer good GPU cores, but it's still a 10 core CPU, an 8 core GPU, which is pretty good. I mean again, it's on par with the M3 from last year. You go up a little bit and you get that extra two cores of GPU. If that's something you really need in your MacBook Air performance. I don't know that it's necessarily a huge differentiator for people, but there you go. And then of course there's the 15 inch versions as well. So yeah, a pretty good MacBook Air lineup there as well.

Micah Sargent (20:30)

Absolutely. Yeah. Now with the MacBook Air, were there. So you mentioned kind of the main updates. Are we looking at the same port configuration? The same like WI Fi and Bluetooth, the same everything else or did Apple make any changes as far as that goes?

Dan Moran (20:54)

Yeah, as far as the wireless stuff goes, it's the same configuration you saw in last year's. It's the Wi Fi 6e along with Bluetooth 5.3. They did improve the ports in that though. There are still just two ports. In addition to the MagSafe ports, they are now Thunderbolt 4 ports that also work as USB C ports. I believe. Previously they were Thunderbolt 3 ports. So this brings it into line with what Apple's offering on most of its other computers, including the MacBook Pros and the Mac Mini. Etc. I actually think the Mac Mini might have fives on some of them. Yeah. So I mean there's a lot of, a lot of stuff happening with Thunderbolt right now. It's currently getting constantly stepping up to the next version, but Thunderbolt 4 is a pretty fast peripheral connection and it's again, we're talking the base level Mac. Right. They're not, they're not skimping on that there.

Micah Sargent (21:41)

Yeah, it's actually pretty good for, you know, giving it, giving it to the base level. Okay, so we saw the MacBook Air and the introduction of that new sort of breath of color. But it wasn't just the MacBook Air that was announced. Apple also, I think for some people went yay finally. But the new Mac Studio was, was announced. Looks the same for sure. But what did we see there? Sky blue?

Dan Moran (22:17)

No, sky blue. If you want it, you can get in any color you want. As long as it is silver. Yeah. So the Mac Studio, which was, you know, a pretty surprising development when it first came out a few years ago, gets a major upgrade here. The Mac Studio comes in two configurations, two main configurations, which is largely dependent on what chip you want with it. That base level 1999 version comes with the M4 4 max. That is the most. This is sort of, again, we gotta break down the product line a little bit. That is the most powerful M4 that you can get in a laptop, for example. So the MacBook Pro goes with the M4 M4 Pro or M4 Max chip. But the, the M4 Max is also, I mean, it's the most powerful M4 chip that's available. Now. It comes with, you know, starts at 14 cores for CPU and 32 cores of GPU. It is a pretty impressive device or chip. The Studio also starts at 36 gigabytes of RAM. Slightly odd number, but there you are. And is configurable up to 128 gigabytes of RAM, which is pretty, pretty respectable. And starts with a 512 gigabyte storage configurable up to 8 terabytes. You know, and we talked about displays a second ago. This can Support up to 5 displays because it's now using Thunderbolt 5, which.

Micah Sargent (23:41)

Is the 5 stands for 5.

Dan Moran (23:43)

5. That's right. Number of displays is number it goes with. You know, this is a, a pretty powerful computer and that is, you know, a lot going for it there. But it's also not the only one they release because traditionally the Studio has come in both the Max and Ultra flavors. Now this is where we get a little weird again.

Micah Sargent (24:02)

Gasp.

Dan Moran (24:02)

You might have expected an M4 Ultra to go with that M4 Max, but there is no M4 Ultra yet. So instead you have your option of an M4 M3 Ultra. Now, bearing what we said in mind earlier in the show about the M3 process being kind of at the end of its life potentially it's a little surprising that we're rolling this out now. But apparently again, this was where the pipeline was working at the time. So yeah, if you're willing to go up to that four thousand dollar price point, you can get a 28 core CPU, 60 core GPU, M3 Ultra. Now keep in mind the way they make these Ultra chips usually is they take two of those Max chips and just glue them together so you're getting usually about twice the performance of those Max chips they use.

Micah Sargent (24:46)

Elmer's, right?

Dan Moran (24:47)

Yeah, that's right. You just a little, little, you know, same glue we all used in grade school. Little. Throw a little macaroni on there, folks.

Micah Sargent (24:54)

We're kidding. We're kidding. This is.

Dan Moran (24:55)

No, that's not how it works. It also starts with 96 gigabytes of memory, configurable up to 512 gigabytes of memory.

Micah Sargent (25:05)

Of memory.

Dan Moran (25:06)

Of memory and up to base level one terabyte of storage. Up to 16 terabytes of storage. I am not going to price that out. I should price that out with that 512, 16 terabyte cost.

Micah Sargent (25:18)

But I, I think $32,000.

Dan Moran (25:21)

Many zeros there. You want to take a crack at how many displays you can run off that thing?

Micah Sargent (25:25)

I'm going to go the 5 no longer stands for 5. 8.

Dan Moran (25:30)

8 is correct. Simultaneous support for up to 8 displays up to 6K or 4 displays up to 8K. Well, I mean, you know, I, I think the biggest question coming out of this is that the Mac Studio is a very impressive device. We've seen this obviously for a long time. Apple is really targeting that at some of its Pro users. But you also might be forgiven for thinking, wait a second, don't they have a Mac Pro as well? The answer is yes, but it hasn't been updated in quite some time. So looking at something like this, you wonder, is the Mac Pro necessary? Is there a reason to have a Mac Pro?

Micah Sargent (26:06)

Could you. Dan, how could you say.

Dan Moran (26:08)

I, I can say it. I can say it with pride because I think that there are very, very few use cases. There are a few. I'm not going to say there are none, but there are very few use cases where somebody probably needs what a Mac Pro can offer. In addition, I mean, can we just.

Micah Sargent (26:22)

Note that Apple says on, in its copy on its site, powered by the most advanced Apple Silicon Mac Studio is the Ultimate Pro Desktop.

Dan Moran (26:31)

Yeah, I mean the ultimate said right there. Right.

Micah Sargent (26:34)

I mean if you need anything more.

Dan Moran (26:35)

Just to compare, I mean that Mac Pro, I mean, is currently running an M2 Ultra chip, right? So that's a whole generation behind. Whole generation behind. So yeah, the Mac Studio, very impressive. There's a lot in there. Apple also targeting in its description in its press release basically saying this is, this is the best, the best powerhouse you can buy for artificial intelligence because you got to work AI in there somewhere. And they also describe it as I enjoy. Also built for Apple Intelligence. I don't know what that means technically, all of their devices run Apple Intelligence and I have yet to see a reason why you would need a M3 Ultra versus an M2 or an M1. Yeah, I, I mean, great that they continue pushing the envelope. And again there are those power users who will really need this kind of performance and I'm glad that they stake out that high ground. But it does increasingly feel and sometimes like they've got this ability to throw all of this power at these problems and they just keep adding more and more power and you're like, stop, we're already dead.

Micah Sargent (27:43)

Yeah, it seems to be very, very, very. I want to make, I. We need to find the people who are putting this thing, you know, to. It's pushing this thing to its limits. I would like to talk to those folks because they're out there. Find them. They're out there somewhere. I just. You're out there. If you're listening to the show, you can get in touch and you're like.

Dan Moran (28:04)

I maxed out my M2 Ultra Mac studio. I need to get this, this M3 Ultra one. I gotta go. Let's do it. Let's go.

Micah Sargent (28:11)

Yeah, I would love that. Is there anything else that Apple announced along with this? Anything else from the iPad lineup or the Mac lineup that we may have missed in our conversation?

Dan Moran (28:26)

Unless you are really excited about color matched MagSafe power cords for your M3 Map your sky blue M3 MacBook Air, I don't think there is too much. We mentioned obviously the new version of the Magic keyboard for the iPad Air. I think that is worth, worth highlighting. Again, it's kind of, they've kind of melded some of the features that has. So Apple redid the, the Magic keyboard for the iPad Pro last year and it's got this nice like aluminum wrist rest and it's kind of a more substantial product. The MacBook Air Magic Keyboard, not quite the same. It's a little bit more like the original version but with some of the niceties that came there like a function row and a larger trackpad. But you're not going to get backlit keys. You don't get haptic feedback on that trackpad. So they're keeping pace. But that is again in our discussions about what differentiates the Air from the Pro. The quality of the peripherals is one of them. They just, you know, they, they aren't quite, they don't have all the bells and whistles. That said, they're a little bit cheaper. I think that one's $269. Versus the $299 for the pros Magic keyboard. So if you're looking to save a few bucks, I guess that's what the iPad air can get you.

Micah Sargent (29:31)

Yeah, definitely. Well, Dan Moran, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. Of course folks can head over to 6colors.com to check out your work and Jason Snell's work. Where else should they go to keep up with what you're doing?

Dan Moran (29:44)

Well, I am on most social media networks you can find me by searching for De Morin, some variant thereof. And my personal website is over@dmorin.com where you can find links to all the podcasts I do, all the sites I write for and my several books that I have written. And please go buy, go buy some books.

Micah Sargent (30:01)

Buy Dan's books. Thank you very much Dan and we will see you again soon.

Dan Moran (30:06)

Thanks Micah. Talk to you later.

Micah Sargent (30:09)

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Patrick Holland (33:14)

Yeah, I've been called a lot of things, but not a mobile expert before.

Micah Sargent (33:17)

All right, well, I hope, I hope you'll accept it because we certainly love to have you on the show to talk about what's going on in the world of mobile devices. First and foremost, can you tell our listeners what in the world, if they haven't heard of it, is MWC and are we sure we're not talking about CES?

Patrick Holland (33:40)

Yeah, I mean, so 2, 2 and 2 acronyms. So we have MWC stands for mobile World Congress. It takes place every year in Barcelona and basically it's a show all about mobile things. So phones, wearable devices and products, but also things that are related to B and B stuff. So like you have a lot of things with like cellular and telecom companies there working on like WI fi or we saw LI Fi, if that's even a thing. We're not gonna talk about that. But then there's ces and that's the Consumer Electronics show that takes place in Vegas and that's encompassing not only mobile, but other things. And over the years, a lot of the mobile stuff has been quietly not announced at ces, but happens at Mobile World Congress. So that'd be the two. Mobile World Congress is definitely smaller, but there's a lot more tapas and Spanish ham.

Micah Sargent (34:26)

So I love that. Yeah, and it's, it sounds like from what you just said, that the, the, the conversations or the announcements rather that take place there are perhaps a little more important to the space than sometimes we see at CES where it seems, and you can correct me if this sort of impression is wrong. That the big companies at CES tend to use their own stages and their own platforms, their own events to, you know, make these big announ. But maybe because of the nature of, of who's paying attention to Mobile World Congress, you do get some, some big industry announcements.

Patrick Holland (35:10)

Yeah, I think that's accurate. I think the really, the big turning point was like during the pandemic and I think there was 2021 where there wasn't a really a show like CES, but there was like a virtual version. And all these companies were like Motorola or Samsung would announce their product like the week before or the week after, because what is virtual to someone who is not going there? And it became kind of very like philosophical like what is ces? But I think nowadays with it, I think you're going to find it like something like Mobile World Congress. You have a company like Xiaomi, which is like the third largest maker of phones in the world. They're going to debut their big device, the Xiaomi 15 Ultra got debuted there. But they're also going to debut like show off their car section and they have their dancing robotic dogs. So it's a better chance for these companies to show off what they can do and they might get a little more press and maybe even hoopla about it, buzz around. It means a better word than they would if they did it on their own. So yeah. And in fact, you know, Oppo, Oppo is a big phone brand. They launched like the world's thinnest phone. Right. It didn't launch actually at mwc, it launched right before mwc.

Micah Sargent (36:20)

And so here, then showing it off and potentially getting more attention. That makes sense. Now you're the CNET team. There were quite a few boots on the ground as far as I understand it. And your team kind of did a wrap up of the different things that were announced. And I hope we can kind of talk about it first with the best of, before we get into the weird and wacky stuff, because it does for the most part part seem to be an event where you are showing off sometimes with ces, actually a lot of times with ces. So much of it is conceptual and so much of it is just junk. And in this way it was kind of interesting seeing some of the real stuff being announced or shown off at the very most. One example was I think, a kind of darling in the, in the, the people who like to tinker with their devices. Space is the nothing brand. Right. And I'm curious to hear about the nothing phones that were kind of shown off at this event.

Patrick Holland (37:33)

Yeah. So mobile conquers happens at this great time of year. And especially if you are. When I was a younger a tech reporter doing mobile stuff, you get assigned usually the budget phones, the phones that cost three or four hundred dollars that most people are going to buy, maybe more than like a Galaxy S25, but they're not as exciting. Right. They're basic phones. They're this and nothing launched two very amazing budget phones, the Nothing Phone 3A and the Nothing Phone 3A Pro. The most expensive, which is. Is the Pro, which I think is $460 or $459, I think is the price. So, well under that $500 sweet spot that we look for in a phone. If you think about something like The Google Pixel 8a, that's $500, and I think that's the right amount of money to get like the perfect amount of value for a phone. We just saw Apple launch the iPhone 16e at $600. And yeah, 1600, $600 is not a lot, but it's definitely not cheap. So to see Nothing launch these two phones that are not only like fun and unique because they have these lighting on the back of it, they're called glyphs, and they can do different things. They could just light up to look cool. They can light up for notifications. But there's no other phone like that. I mean, I think back maybe back to 2018, we have like the Razer gaming phone. We started seeing like RGB lighting on phones. But this is so exciting. And you're paying like a few hundred dollars for this. It's amazing. And then I think the difference between the Pro and the regular 3A is basically that comes down to cameras. The cameras are just a step up, a little bit nicer on the Pro model than they are on the regular one. And also we're talking. I haven't mentioned the AI yet. Right. And we see a lot of companies making their upgrades about AI. And while there are things like Google Gemini and Google Circle to search on these phones, the only thing that nothing is doing is they have this really cool space on there. It's kind of like a combo of notes app and the screenshot app that we see in the Pixel, where you can just put things that you're doing, whether it's a voice memo, whether it's a screenshot, and then it's using AI to kind of maybe collage that, for a lack of a better word, it's really early days on that. This is still very limited. But that's kind of the thing where he's like, that's something unique, something different and something AI. I like that. So, yeah, I think the nothing phones, I'm pretty excited about them.

Micah Sargent (39:57)

Something else that stood out to me, and this does fall into the concept car area, but the modular camera from Xiaomi. Tell us a little bit about that. Because you do see people aftermarket adding lenses to their phones and, you know, attaching them to cases. So the idea that it could kind of be built in and take your camera phone into the realm of being a camera camera is certainly appealing. What is the modular optical system?

Patrick Holland (40:34)

Absolutely. So whereas like the nothing phone's kind of geared toward an affordable phone and giving lots of great value. This is something completely different. This is aimed for someone who's a photographer, videographer. We know, like content creators are constantly being given new features, whether it's the iPhone or Samsung, that this tenant takes things to another level. It's saying, like, you know what, your phone can only be so big before you can not fit a bigger lens on it. But what if you could put a lens that's like a full size lens and a larger image sensor? So that's going to you much better, like photos and video quality. And then what's creative about this one? They put it all in one package, just kind of like a lens with a sensor on the back of it. And then it magnetically attaches to the back of a phone. And they showed off the Xiaomi 15 phone with this on there. Now if for all those camera nerds out there who might be listening, this hearkens back to 12 years ago. Sony did the exact same thing. They had the QX10 and the QX100. And there were these lenses and they had these larger image sensors in there. And they didn't magnetically attach to the phone. They actually just physically clipped to the phone and it would use like Bluetooth. So you see this tech that happened 12 years ago and you kind of see the 2025 version, you're like, man, that's great. And then on top of it, like even the little lens they were showing off, the lens cap is magnetic and can also stick to the back of your phone so you don't lose it. So pretty amazing. I don't know if it'll ever come out though. Let's be honest.

Micah Sargent (41:56)

Honest about that.

Patrick Holland (41:57)

Concept is a concept, but a concept is a concept.

Micah Sargent (41:59)

It's a concept.

Patrick Holland (42:00)

Exactly. But, you know, it's kind of like a proof of concept too, because we saw some Other companies do something like, you know, we had Xiaomi In, I think 2022 did something where they actually put like a Leica lens on their 1 inch sensor. And we saw some other companies do that with their own concept this year. But this is kind of a new thought and I hope that maybe we see something come out of this. If it's not like a modular camera system, maybe we'll see something where it's an accessory for something that would be a modular system.

Micah Sargent (42:30)

Absolutely. Now let's move over, I think a little more to the weird and wacky. The team also.

Patrick Holland (42:37)

That wasn't weird enough for you?

Micah Sargent (42:39)

That wasn't weird enough for me because the next thing is pretty weird. I was reminded my youngest brother for this past Christmas received a, he works outside part of the time and he received a coat that has sort of built in warming and you know, you can charge it. And the first thing I thought was because I'm originally from Missouri, he's in Missouri still. We have very, very, very cold winters, just like Chicago. And the first thing I thought was, that's amazing. That's super cool. The second thing I thought was, I hope it's not a fire risk. And so now anytime I see clothes with electronics attached, the only thing I could think of is how far is that from bursting into flames. One thing that was, that the team showed off was this Cyber jacket with LEDs. Tell us about of all the companies from Anchor. Tell me about it.

Patrick Holland (43:39)

Yeah. Okay, so Anchor, if you're not familiar with Anchor, they make a lot of accessories, right? A lot of charging accessories and, and things for phones and devices, they're much bigger than that now. They have a sub brand called Anker Solex. Solex, like in solar. So what this is is a jacket, a cloak, I don't know what you want to call it. And it has solar panels on it. And essentially the power that's absorbed by these panels can charge a phone. That's essentially it. What they also did though, is they didn't stop there. They put these like, like LED strips in it and it gave it a hood. So as it's charging, it actually has this really cool looking blue LED light. And one of our teammates, Abrar Alheidi, had an hour like, Abrar, did you become a Jedi? What's going on here? This looks so cool. She's like, no, I'm just charging my phone. And she was telling me that what's neat about these, the solar panels is they're flexible, so it's not like a rigid Panel that you might see like, for like a power brick or like a generator or something you put on your roof. So they've thought a little bit about this. Again, a concept. It might come out, it might not. It sound like it. It's towards more the side of. It might, but it looked really cool. Reminded me a little that. Remember that Jacquard trucker jean jacket a few years ago?

Micah Sargent (44:50)

Yes. Yeah.

Patrick Holland (44:51)

I keep on thinking, like, what if you combine the controls of that with the cool, like, cyberpunk of this and then. Yeah, throwing your brother's heater set.

Micah Sargent (44:59)

We are. We're good to go. Yeah.

Patrick Holland (45:01)

Fire, right?

Dan Moran (45:03)

Yes.

Micah Sargent (45:03)

That's, that's the knock on wood moment. But see, and that's the thing with a brand, with a brand such as Anchor, whose products I have used a bunch and that I've never had issues with there. I'm more likely to feel comfortable putting the polyester and the, the heated electronics next to each other versus, you know, some random Amazon brand that I'm going, okay, is this going, Is this going to be an issue?

Patrick Holland (45:28)

I think that's, that's a good motto. To listen for your life is to not put unknown brands with electronics and hot things on your body.

Micah Sargent (45:35)

Absolutely. Yeah. That's, that's hopefully some advice everybody could take away. I found the, the, this other concept kind of interesting because. Okay, this is an ongoing observation, I guess, that I've had, which is when you talk to people who know a thing or two about, you know, who move toward the expert side of home media, home theater, home audio, home video, they really, truly 100% believe in their heart of hearts that everybody cares about video quality even to like, half of the extent that they do. And so they are going to, you know, want to, to prioritize doing whatever they can to make the video look as good as it possibly can. Like, for example, if they have a projector in their home, they're going to close the window and make sure that the room is dark. My experience, however, has been that the people who, who don't have that, that expertise or even anywhere near that expertise feel like Scrooge McDuck by simply just buying a projector in the first place and having. They. They'll blast that thing on like a pebbly wall. The, the windows will be all open. The, the sound is coming from this tiny little thing instead of, you know, being connected to speakers. They don't care because they've got a projector on their wall. And so anytime I've said that I'm.

Patrick Holland (47:11)

Like, I don't know, I don't think.

Micah Sargent (47:12)

They care as much as you think they care. And this is anecdotal, of course, but it's like across the board that I've seen this. And anyway, they insist. No, no, no, no. I, I promise you, they do care. They want it. Okay. All of this is to say I found this tiny little projector to be one of the most fascinating things that I could absolutely see. Some of these people I've talked about, you know, going, oh, this is, this is luxury. I've got a little projector in my pocket. I could set it up. We can all watch a little YouTube video together. Can you tell us about the little projector?

Patrick Holland (47:44)

Yeah. I mean, first of all, I fall in the ladder camp where I put. I had like the office project projector and would put it on the wall and play like Mario Kart with my girlfriend. You know, it's like, yes, this is the height of grand living. Was it great image quality? Heck no. But yes, it's big. It's big and it's Mario Kart and it was great. And I want to just double check the name of this because I don't want to say the wrong name, but basically this is a projector that fits into the palm of your hand and it's. It's kind of like try. It has like two hinges. So it's got kind of three parts to it. Kind of looks like a letter Z and. And that's it. And then you turn it on and you can attach it. And it's from a company called Azure. Zip, A, U, R, Z, E, N, Azur, Zen. Azure.

Micah Sargent (48:30)

That's hard to pronounce.

Patrick Holland (48:31)

And that's why I wanted to make sure I got it at least slightly right. But basically, this is a projector. It costs about $300. It will be something you can buy. And yeah, you don't even have to plug it in. What's great is it can actually just screencast from your phone or from your device, iOS or Android, from a Mac, and you can have it anywhere. So I think it's just about fun. And I like that because I think sometimes we get so serious about our gadgets and specs and what companies do we forget about that? Now I will say that it was pointed out to me this has like a 90 minute battery life, so whatever you're watching, you might miss the end of your movie. And it also has a 720 resolution, which we will be a little bit nerds here and say that is a Little low, especially for something as big as 80 inches. But they are talking about another version of it with a full HD resolution. And there's a magnetic accessory that can lengthen the battery life. So you're not limited to 90 minute movies. But yeah, I'm on board. I want one. I can't wait to have that thing in my backpack and just have fun.

Micah Sargent (49:35)

I mean my goodness, to me this is, it doesn't matter to me that it's 90 minutes because this is the when, when you are with a group of friends and somebody's talking about some little clip from a show and then you're all going, okay, gather around my tiny little phone. I could just be like, no, don't worry, I flip this out. We're sitting at the like at the booth. You just project it on the wall really quick and everybody gets to watch it together or you know, your, your 45 minute Mario Kart session. I know that this is, you know, wireless, but you get the idea. I think this is delightful and it's absolutely on my list of things to purchase. I think it is a cool little idea that's good to hear, not just conceptual.

Patrick Holland (50:20)

Yeah. And by the way, you can plug things into it that it's like. But you don't have to is what I'm trying to say.

Micah Sargent (50:25)

Got it. Okay, cool. So it does have some inputs as well. All right. I guess because I have kept you for a long time, I'll just ask, is there anything else that, that the CNET saw at Mobile World Congress that you think bears a mention? Of course. Everyone should go and check out these two articles as well as much more coverage on the CNET website. But anything else that stuck out to you?

Patrick Holland (50:47)

Yeah, I'll just say a couple things super fast. One is we're seeing a lot of like slim phones or skinny phones. Just curious about that, if people really want skinny phones, but seeing lots of concepts for that. There's a couple AI phones, there's one from a Korean company where it came can learn your personality and basically make an AI clone assistant on your phone of you. Please read that article. And the one that I think is kind of cool is HMD Human Mobile Devices. They make a lot of like Nokia licensed phones, but they have this really cool phone called the Fusion X1 and it's geared as like a stepping stone between taking your like offline child and slowly integrating them to the online phone world. And as opposed to having an app or something like that controls and restricts what your teens can access, you become that it's kind of like having two factor authentication, but you're the authenticator. Like, no, you can't access this or you can't go to this thing. And so you could slowly integrate how much of their life is online and how much they experience that. I think it's a neat idea. And HMD has made some pretty compelling devices before, but yeah, I think I'd like to look at that.

Micah Sargent (51:51)

Yeah, absolutely. That, that, that is of interest to me as well. Huh. I want to thank you so much, Patrick Holland, for taking the time to join us today to tell us all about Mobile World Congress to give us a little look at some of the stuff that was announced there. Of course, folks can head over to cnet.com to check out the great work you're doing. Is there anywhere else they can go to follow along with the work that you do?

Patrick Holland (52:15)

Absolutely. You can find me directed by Patrick on Twitter or excuse me, directed by Patrick on Instagram. And oh my goodness, I'm spacing on the Instagram, whatever version of Twitter that is. I'm sorry, I'm nervous.

Dan Moran (52:26)

Oh, threads, threads.

Patrick Holland (52:28)

And you can also find me at Trick Holland. No PA on Twitter as well.

Micah Sargent (52:33)

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And one of the features that appears to be coming is an AI powered review summary for App Store reviews. Now, for those of you out there who you know, use Amazon and maybe some other kind of online stores, you will probably be familiar with the, the AI generated summary of reviews. And that is because it's, it's been on Amazon for a long time at this point, giving you kind of an oversight of what people have said and kind of where things stand out. Now, interestingly, from my kind of cursory glance through things, because I am Currently running the second beta of iOS 18.4, I look at Amazon and its reviews and one of the cool things, because I tend not to be a person who reads reviews of that nature of people going and leaving reviews because of the fact that most people aren't going to leave reviews. And so it tends to be the extremes that feel the need to do so or the want to do so. And so it's the one star reviews and the five star reviews that take up most of the space and have to do more with somebody being very unhappy or being blown away for their own particular reasons. And so reviews overall of that nature are something that I kind of ignore. However, an interesting thing about having kind of the summary of reviews of the overall is that on Amazon you can look at the, the AI summary and you can see how it falls along the scope of kind of things that are typically brought up. So a lot of people say that they like this, this and this about the product. But then Amazon goes, Amazon summary goes on to say, this is what people watch out for, this is what people had an issue with, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that can be helpful because then you do get kind of okay when people are very unhappy with this thing, this is the thing they're very unhappy with. Now I can make an educated decision on whether this is the right product for me in My again, cursory look through maybe 8 to 10 apps app listings and the summaries. I have yet to find anything negative in the review summary. And it's unclear to me as well what apps are getting this review summary and how Apple is choosing which ones are getting the review summary, which are getting the review summary. So what I mean by that is I don't know if Apple is still kind of processing and working through which apps are getting it and which aren't and eventually, you know, it'll get through the whole list. But my experience has been that it's mostly the well known apps that are four and a half or five stars, four and a half to five stars, I should say that get this review summary and so you're getting just complete positive. The example that was provided in the Macworld article shows the ChatGPT app app says. Users say the app is helpful and convenient. They appreciate its ability to answer questions and its fast response times. They also praise its advanced voice mode. And I can tap on an app in the App Store, the United Airlines app, which I thought would be potentially one that would, would draw ire because people hope that leaving a review is going to help them get, you know, their, their, their booking fee back or whatever. Well, first and foremost, the United Airlines app Somehow has a 4.8 rating. That's curious. But this is the review summary. Users say the app is convenient for booking flights and other travel arrangements. They also appreciate the app's intuitive design and clear instructions. So overwhelmingly positive and in that way kind of surprising that those are the reviews that are, you know, kind of getting summarized, I will say, and I'm happy that I found one finally because I thought about, oh, the Sonos app. That's an app that's a little bit, you know, it's divisive. So I see finally the first review summary that is actually showing a little bit of a negative. Users say the app is convenient and easy to use. They praise its sound quality and appreciate its customization options. A few users also like that it supports older products. However, a few users are frustrated with its performance. So I'm glad to see that there are some negative aspects in there. It'll be interesting to see how this develops over time, what a developer is able to do in terms of responding to these, these summaries because as we know, Apple did introduce the ability for a developer to respond to individual reviews and provide feedback that way. So it will be, I'm curious to see if this is something that, you know, if the summaries that are generated are based on old reviews, for example, that have negative things to say about a feature that is no longer part of the app. Will that summary still show it? And if so, can the developer say, hey, I fixed this, can we do something about that? That summarized review? What's it going to be? And by the way, dear listeners, speaking of App Store reviews, to those of you listening who very much love and adore this show, it would mean a lot to us if you headed over, particularly those of you who use Apple Podcasts or have access to Apple Podcasts, head over to the Apple Podcasts listing for Tech News Weekly and frankly for all of our shows if you have the time and at the very least give some stars. But you can also leave an actual review as well. It would be very helpful to us across the board. So that would be a wonderful thing. And I wanted to mention that as it just came up into my mind as we're talking about App Store reviews. Perhaps the podcasts app will eventually get a review summary Apple of course has been in trouble before for its summaries. 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Learn how you can get your first month free at cashfly.com twit that's C-A C-H-E-F-L-Y.com twit and we thank Cashfly for sponsoring this week's episode of Tech News Weekly. All right, back from the break and the second bit of AI powered news comes from Amazon. Amazon announced an interesting update for the prime video service. Amazon says that it is working on and it has currently released a couple of examples of AI powered dubbing. So licensed movies and TV series that would otherwise not receive dubbing, which of course is a very involved process for folks maybe who've never watched anime, for example. Dubbing is different from just of course applying captions to a show. And by that actually I guess I mean subtitles because subtitles refer to translated captions essentially. And so so in certain content subtitles may be the most you get. Where a Spanish language film would have English captions or English subtitles or some other language because it's expensive to dub, which is where an actor will record the translated lines and it will be timed to fit the film so as many will, you know, kind of, I guess be familiar with in that way you're watching a film, its original language is in in a language you don't speak. And they've hired Actors. A squid game would be an example for a lot of people who watched that dubbed instead of in the original language and had sort of English voice actors playing these different characters. Yeah, it's an expensive thing. You're hiring a whole new set of actors to play those roles, and it requires studio time and everything else. And so not every film is going to get that. And being able to use what they call AI aided dubbing is, I think, a really interesting use of the technology. Now, of course, there is the argument to be made that, that perhaps those films would have eventually gotten dubbing. And so that does take the, the opportunity away from the voice actors. But I'd like to think, I'd like to hope that this is coming to, you know, some of these films that would otherwise not have received it. So there are two AI aided dubbing languages that Amazon prime is supporting at the moment. Latin American, Spanish and English. And it's coming to 12 licensed movies and series. So Me Mama Laura and then also Long Lost, which by my estimation, and guess Me Mama Laura is going to be the Spanish film that will have English AI caption or AI dubbing. And Long Lost would be an American film, an English film that would have Latin American, Spanish dubbing. It this. I want to read what Amazon has to say because you may be going, why is it called AI Aided? Well, Amazon says this AI aided pilot program is a hybrid approach to dubbing in which localization professionals collaborate with AI to ensure quality control. AI aided processes like this one, which incorporate the right amount of human expertise, can able localization for titles that would not otherwise be accessible for customers. It says features including subtitles, captions, audio descriptions and dubbing, you know, are involved with the process of making it possible for people to enjoy this content. So I like the idea that this is going to be something that, you know, I'll suddenly have access to a whole bunch of new content that I wouldn't otherwise have, perhaps in a way that allows me to. To watch it, because I know for me watching something that is in a different language, I tend to like to watch it with the original language being played and then me reading the subtitles in English to understand what's being said. I did that in particular with Squid game because the voices, the English voices really shaped how I felt about those characters. And hearing their original voices kind of provided a different characterization for each of the actors. And I felt that it was an unfair thing to kind of let an English interpretation of the acting aspect of the dynamics of the voice, of the cadence play into my perception of the character. But I'm curious how this AI aided process could impact that or not impact that, and how much of it is simply just the languages themselves that are being translated and dubbed versus how much understanding the AI system will have of the visual nature of the show to perhaps see, you know, tension in the neck and eye shape and movement and, and you know, the way that the mouth is moving to kind of influence how a line is delivered. So there's a lot there that I think could be helped and hurt by something like this. So we'll just have to see, as I often say, we'll have to see how it plays out. In any case, Amazon is continuing to, according to the company, look at ways to add AI functionality to its prime video offerings, including giving folks better discovery features. That's one of the things that I've wanted to do. I almost wanted to feed some of the different AI applications all of the stuff that I watch where Netflix tends to suggest things based on very basic concepts of the things that I enjoy. I want something that's so in depth of knowing exactly who I am and what I like to watch and, you know, maybe make suggestions that I wouldn't expect. I would enjoy that suddenly I'm, you know, binging the entire show because of it. And so I think that that's also where this AI functionality can come into play and provide even for better experiences. So it's the Prime Videos version of this is called AI Topics and so you can use that to stream content based on your interests and preferences. 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