Tech News Weekly 428: Live Nation Settles With the DOJ

Summary

Tech News Weekly 428: Live Nation Settles with the DOJ

Date: March 12, 2026
Host: Micah Sargent (TWiT)
Co-Host: Dan Moren (Six Colors)
Guest: Abrar Alheati (CNET)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Tech News Weekly dives into three main stories shaking up the tech world:

• The controversy and lawsuit surrounding Grammarly's unauthorized use of writers' personas in its AI tool
• The DOJ's much-criticized settlement with Live Nation/Ticketmaster in a landmark antitrust case
• A firsthand report from Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, including new device trends and innovations
• A look at China's viral AI agent OpenClaw and the emergent business culture around it.

The show maintains its signature blend of fun, accessibility, and critical analysis, aimed at making complex tech policy and product trends understandable and engaging for all.

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Grammarly's “Expert Review” Lawsuit: When AI Meets Identity Theft

[01:56 – 13:22]

Key Points & Discussion

• Feature Overview:
  Dan Moren explains how Grammarly introduced “Expert Review,” a tool promising feedback as if it came from notable authors and journalists (some deceased, like Carl Sagan), by simulating their style and persona.
• Consent Concerns:
  Grammarly never sought permission from those whose names were used. Living writers and journalists (e.g., Nilay Patel, Joanna Stern, Mark Gurman) were shocked to find their likenesses used without their consent.
• AI Limitations:
  The advice often didn’t even match what the simulated expert would say, flattening individual style into generic tips.

  “It’s extra weird because then it just feels like you’re slapping these people’s names on kind of generic writing advice. … You can see the dotted line—‘Let’s train the LLM on their writing’—but LLMs tend to sort of flatten the effect of all these things.” (Dan Moren, [04:08])

• Class Action & Legal Principles:
  A class action lawsuit led by journalist Julia Angwin contends you can't use someone’s name for commercial benefit without consent, even absent a direct endorsement.
• Big Tech Pattern:
  Moren likens this to a “classic Silicon Valley move,” referencing Jurassic Park:

  “They were so busy thinking about whether or not they could do this that they didn’t stop to think about whether or not they should.” (Dan Moren, [08:03])

• Consequences vs. Capitalism:
  The hosts highlight how relentless drives for product growth and “move fast and break things” innovation encourage ignoring legal and ethical lines—especially with AI.
• Copycat Question:
  Micah reflects on the apparent disconnect:

  “I genuinely wonder—did they know they’d get pushback and have a plan? Or did they think everyone would just be honored?” ([08:47])

• Industry Context:
  The discussion references broader patterns, like LLMs being trained on pirated material, and companies opting for “ask forgiveness, not permission.”

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DOJ vs. Live Nation/Ticketmaster: Why Doesn’t This "Settlement" Feel Like a Win?

[17:03 – 26:55]

Segment Summary

• The Settlement:
  The DOJ announced a settlement with Live Nation/Ticketmaster—capping fees, requiring backend tech access for competitors, and divesting booking rights for 13 amphitheaters.
• Public & Industry Backlash:
  Across industry, critics deride these as “half-measures.”

  “The theme today...has been this: Who asked for this?” (Micah quoting insider, [19:32])

• Tech Shortcomings:
  Ticketmaster’s tech is derided as outdated—one competitor calls it “something out of the 1980s” while an advocacy group says it’s “held together with duct tape.” Giving access to such tech isn’t seen as a real remedy.
• Monopolistic Control:
  Live Nation commands a vast swath of venues (40 of the top 50 U.S. amphitheaters), and the settlement doesn’t require selling any venues.
• Antitrust Frustration:
  Moren notes disappointments:

  "This feels like a textbook antitrust situation where one party controls a huge part of this infrastructure. And it’s hard to see how this remedy is going to fix that problem.” ([23:29])

• “Political” Analysis:
  With a lackluster DOJ outcome here and in the Google antitrust case, Moren hints at a political climate favoring business:

  “...doesn’t shock me that this DOJ was willing to settle—these settlements as being sufficient.” ([24:37])

• Public Transparency Lost:
  Because the settlement arrived mid-trial, damaging evidence won’t air.

  “By leapfrogging past the airing of the evidence to the remedies, it’s especially difficult to judge whether the sentence matches the crime.” (Micah quoting Kevin Erickson, [25:42])

• Takeaway:
  No near-term relief for consumers on ticket pricing.

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Inside Mobile World Congress: Whimsical Phones, Hardware Innovation, and the Reality of Adoption

Guest: Abrar Alheati, CNET
[30:22 – 43:38]

What’s Unique About MWC?

• International Flair:
  “The ‘World’ in Mobile World Congress is real.” Diverse exhibitors and attendees from all over the globe.
• Comparison to CES:
  More focused on mobile and telephony versus CES’s gadget sprawl. Main players (Samsung, Google) dominate; Apple was absent but still in the news.

Cool Tech and Trends

• Foldables & Modularity:
  • Motorola RAZR Fold resurfaced with large internal/external displays.
  • The showstopper: Honor Robot Phone with a moveable camera; Honor Magic V6 notable too.
  • Techno’s modular phone:

    “4.9mm thick—you can attach battery packs, larger camera, microphones... all these magnetic accessories to build up your phone as you want.” (Abrar, [33:55])

• Smart Glasses Convert:
  Initially skeptical, Abrar was impressed by Android XR glasses: live Google Maps overlays, non-intrusive navigation, and real-time translation.

  “You wear these smart glasses... you can have Google Maps navigation and still see everything around you. … I’m apparently a smart glasses believer!” ([36:18])

• Airport Tech Innovations:
  • Bag ID: Reusable, trackable smart luggage tag.
  • Alba Ride: Autonomous personal carts launching at Dallas Fort Worth for accessibility.
  • Robotic concierges and automated entertainment for waiting travelers.

Overarching Themes

• Thin, Hardware-Driven Innovation:

  “People talk about phones being boring, but there are interesting phones. It’s just, are you willing to leave your iPhone behind?” (Abrar, [34:46])

• Habit vs. Experimentation:
  Despite buzz, most media pros use iPhones or Samsung flagships; experimentation is more visible outside the US.
• Pet Tech:
  Pet phones and cams are a growing segment; anecdote about pets being terrified by treat-dispensing cams.

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Bonus Segment: China’s OpenClaw (Lobster Craze)

[45:24 – 57:35]

What Is OpenClaw?

• Viral, open source AI agent (called “Lobster” in China), letting users automate tasks via terminal commands.
• Spawned a subculture:
  “Have you raised a lobster yet?” is the social meme among techies and non-techies of all ages.
• Developer communities and massive events—some with 1000+ people, city- and district-level governmental support.
• Service economy: installation packages (~$14), pre-installed hardware, technical support are booming businesses.

  “Within weeks, [a developer] pulled in $830 in a single weekend.” ([50:48])

• Accessibility challenge creates business opportunity—most users lack tech fluency, so “lobster consultants” are cashing in.

Skepticism & Risks

• Some observers, like Harvard PhD candidate Tianyu Feng, express doubt about the agent's practical value for average users.
• China’s cybersecurity regulator issued a formal warning (March 10) about potential data risks and privacy breaches.
• Yet, enthusiasm continues unabated—even senior citizens are asking for “lobster installs.”

Host’s Advice:

“If you’re thinking about installing this, please be mindful of the security risks and really read up on that before going down this path.” (Micah, [56:42])

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Notable Quotes & Highlight Moments

• Grammarly’s “move fast and break things”:
  “What you may have broken is your business model.” (Dan Moren, [08:29])
• Ticketmaster’s lack of true change:
  “Your Tech News Weekly dads are just disappointed.” (Micah and Dan, [25:34])
• On phones at MWC and habit:
  “People are fawning over these phones, but guess what they’re recording with—a Samsung or iPhone.” (Abrar, [40:08])
• On OpenClaw’s impact:
  “It wasn’t until my father, who is 77, asked me to help install a lobster for him that I realized this thing is truly viral.” (Micah, [47:36])

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Timestamps to Important Segments

• Grammarly lawsuit & AI pitfalls: [01:56 – 13:22]
• Live Nation/Ticketmaster DOJ saga: [17:03 – 26:55]
• Mobile World Congress breakdown: [30:22 – 43:38]
• China’s OpenClaw phenomenon: [45:24 – 57:35]

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Closing & Next Steps

The episode wraps with reminders to stay mindful of the legal and personal risks as tech rapidly evolves, and a nod to the continuing merger of enthusiasm, optimism, and necessary skepticism in tech—both for users and regulators.

For next week: Subscribe at twit.tv/tnw and join the discussion for more in-depth analysis, interviews, and trend-watching in the tech world.

Transcript

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Coming up on Tech News Weekly, Dan Moran joins us again and very excited to talk first and foremost about the Grammarly lawsuit. Plus, where do things stand in that Live Nation settlement? Is it actually a settlement at all? Then Abrar Al Heati of CNET drops by to tell us about her time at MWC in Barcelona. Before I round things out about how China is in love with openclaw. All that coming up on Tech News Weekly.

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Podcasts you love from people you Trust.

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This is TWiT.

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This is Tech News Weekly, episode 428 with Dan Moran and me, Micah Sargent. Recorded Thursday, March 12, 2026. Live Nation settles with the DOJ. Hello and welcome to Tech News Weekly, the show where every week we talk to and about the people making and breaking the tech news. I am your host, Micah Sargent and we are typically joined by Jake Ward on this day, but Jake is traveling so we wish him well on his travels. Joining us today is someone who has quickly become the person I call on when I really need somebody to fill in because they do a great job every time they're here. It's Dan Moore. And welcome back to the show, Dan.

[C]

It's good to be here, Micah. I am among the most available. That is one of my. That is one of my key qualities, availability.

[A]

I think it's capability followed closely by availability.

[C]

Closely by availability, sure.

[A]

So this of course is Tech News Weekly and we kick the show off by talking about our stories of the week. And if you thought Dan Moran was going to bring you a story about Apple, you would be wrong.

[C]

Oh, for once I show up and I'm not doing a story about Apple. Amazing. It is, however, a story about AI because we can't escape AI. It's everywhere. And it's a story about the law because we can't escape the law.

[A]

Believe me, as much as we tried, I tried.

[C]

This is the story about Grammarly, you might know. Grammar LEA is that lovely program that corrects your grammar and spelling and does all sorts of useful stuff to make sure that when you write stuff and send an email or post it or send it to your boss, it looks like a human wrote it, except a robot. I actually hope you write it. Recently, Grammar is Grammarly has come under some fire because they introduced a new feature at the end of last year which they called Expert Review. And what this tool promised to do was essentially look at your writing and tell you the opinion of notable writers and journalists about your writing and how you might approve it. How they they would suggest were they perched on your Shoulder looking at what you've written, what they might say. The only problem.

[A]

So just. So that's. That's the pitch.

[C]

That's the pitch is this is essentially you're typing something and it's like, hey, what would Stephen King say about what you wrote? Or spookier, what would Neil DeGrasse Tyson say about more space mail you're sending to your boss? Why you're asking Neil DeGrasse about an email you're sending to your boss? Can't answer that question. Now, this seems like. I'm not even going to say it seems like a good idea because it seems like a weird idea, right?

[A]

It's a weird idea.

[C]

Not a thing that I would go out there and really pitch. But Grammarly, I guess, decided this was a thing that they really felt was compelling to their users. Only problem. Well, one of many problems, perhaps the largest of these problems, they did not get the permission from any of these people to do this. Moreover, it also included lots of famous people who are dead to give suggestions. I don't know that, you know, William Shakespeare was thrown in there, but there are certainly people in there who are no longer around. Like, Carl Sagan was another good example. But there are also a bunch of people who are like journalists on the Internet. So Nilay Patel from the the Verge was in there, as were a couple other Verge editors like David Pierce and Sean Hollister.

[A]

Were they all ready for this?

[C]

No one was ready for this. I mean, there are people from all over. I mean, Casey Newton who does platformer, Joanna Stern from the Wall Street Journal, Jason Schreier and Mark Gurman from Bloomberg like all of these people, like. And, and it's kind of bizarre because to. To build on that aspect of it, I was reading the Verge, had the. One of the first stories to talk about this, and they were talking about the fact that their ed, the people in the expert review, and they said, and the advice they gave me was a thing that specifically, you know, I've worked with my editor for a long time. This is a thing he would never say. He would never tell me to do this. Which is weird, right? It's extra weird because then it just feels like you're slapping these people's names on kind of generic writing advice that doesn't really relate in any way to it. And I can see, you know, oftentimes when these features or tech features get announced, you can try kind of draw the dotted line in your head, right? You're like, oh, you know what they thought? They thought, we've Got an LLM. We can train it on a bunch of writing from these online sources, and we can essentially use that to analyze all the writings from this particular person. That's not exactly something that LLMs are always great at. I mean, it seems like something they should be great, like, good at because it's very much pattern recognition. But I think what we're discovering here is there are some shortcomings to just how good it is at analyzing those models. And like everything else, LLMs tend to sort of flatten the effect of all these things because they're taking kind of, you know, a statistical likelihood. So they also, you know, they point out a lot of other stuff because this is sort of artifacts from these things being trained on existing text. Like there are outdated job titles from some of these people. Right. Places they used to work, that they don't work anymore, probably because they were trained on text from when they worked at that particular place. So, you know, the Verge asked Superhuman, which is the parent company of Grammarly, about this at the time, and they said, oh, well, this doesn't, this doesn't claim endorsement or direct participation. These people, it's just influenced by them that turned out to just continually create. So this kept going. We are now at the point. So the latest developments of this is a. Superhuman has taken down this feature and apologized. Initially they said, oh, you can write an email if you want to opt out, if you're a person.

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This is not how life should be.

[C]

This is not how this works.

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Yeah, that's not how. You can't just do this.

[C]

Yeah. So shockingly, they have been sued. There's a class action lawsuit making its way through the Southern District of New York, brought, among others by Julia Anguin, who founded the Markup and is a, you know, writer and editor of longtime standing, and basically go in saying, we did not allow you to do this. And as Anguin's lawyers have argued, this is kind of cut and dry because generally you're not allowed to, to use people's names for commercial purposes. Like, even if you're not claiming they endorsed it, you have a right to your, your identity, your personhood. And that cannot be used to sell somebody else's product. You can't slap someone's name on that product. Even if you're like, it's not an endorsement. Right. Like, I could put all sorts of names on my books. Right. If I just wanted to do this. Oh, it's not an endorsement. I just, I just happen to put their names on my books. What a coincidence. Right? Stephen King. I was plaster that over my book cover. Did he endorse the book? No, no, I didn't say that. I just put his name there. So, yeah, I, I think this is going to go pretty badly for Superhuman. I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but my, my read of that. Seems like this is a classic Silicon Valley move, right? It's the, it's the. To take the, the Jeff Goldblum line from Jurassic Park. They were so busy thinking about whether or not they could do this thing that they didn't stop to think about whether or not they should do this thing. And the answer was no, you should

[A]

not not do this thing.

[C]

But yeah, it's another of the examples of especially I think right now with the bubble around AI and LLMs in particular, the temptation to see how many other things can we throw this out? What good pro, what good things can we create or what features can we monetize based on what AI or LLMs can do? And let's not think about the consequences. Let's just throw it in there so we can say, look at this cool thing that AI let us do on our product. It's a, it's a classic. Move fast and break things. Only what you may have broken is your business model.

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I, I think what bothers me the most about this is the idea that like, I want, I would love, I want to be in sort of the deposition because I just truly, I want to understand why they thought this was a good idea, why they thought this was okay, and hear from them legitimately. Like, what did you talk about when you decided, when you convinced yourselves that it would be okay to take living people and sort of slap their virtual name on. That's just, it doesn't make sense to me. And like, I genuinely wonder, did they can when this happened, did they go, we know we'll get pushback. Here's our plan for pushback? Or did they go, we think everybody's just, everyone will be honored. Yeah, they're going to be honored by this. And no, there's no world in which, like, if I heard that my name was. Look, Grammarly is a helpful tool for people. I believe it's been a sponsor on the network in the past. It is not a tool that I use. Having been a copy editor for many years, I, I can only imagine what, like, I would be annoyed if my, my writing and my sort of way of doing things was used to push, you know, this. Yeah, I completely understand the lawsuit and everything that's involved there. I wonder how much of an impact, though, any of this is going to have on Superhuman. Because I'm thinking now about how it doesn't. Like, I don't see everyday people making use of this feature in the first place. People who use Grammarly all the time because their work required them to, you know, install it and make use of it so that the emails are what they should be. I don't see them making use of this anyway. So when it goes away, I don't think that it's going to make a difference. Much of a difference.

[C]

No, I, I agree. I think, you know, again, if I want to look at the root of what is driving this kind of thing, you know, I, I always tend to be a person who boils it down to kind of the, the fun, the failures fundamentally of our system, right. Of the idea that Grammarly, as you said, useful tool, but because of the pressures of, you know, capitalism, they, they need to feel like they're growing, they're expanding. Right? It's not enough to just be good at grammar checking what other things can product so that we can grow and accumulate more, more users and more customers. And sometimes oftentimes that leads to bad decisions because, you know, you're trying to figure out what other things can we shove in and you start to deviate a bit from your core competency. Right. In the case of Grammarly, like, hey, we're a really good grammar checker. Nobody looked at it and said, but what if I could get Cormac McCarthy telling me how to write my email to my boss, like, nobody asked for that. You know, I get the temptation to have these exciting new tools and try to figure out how you can apply them to the, the business that you're, you're doing. But yeah, it does feel to me like there is a, a dearth of people stopping and thinking about consequences and about what, what is actually going to happen and how these things can be received. I mean, and, and that is at the root, unfortunately, also of all the AI and LLM issues as well, right? I mean, how many of these things do we do we know, do we know, we're trained on pirated materials. There's any number of cases in which they have evidence suggesting that, you know, the likes of Meta and Anthropic, you know, settled that case. Right? Like, but there are like, depositions with evidence that they're like, yeah, we downloaded this giant trove of pirated ebooks and we used it to train our model. And everyone's like, you can't do that. Nobody. And in some of these cases, they, you know, even worse, they did say like, well, we shouldn't do, like, nobody should talk about this, but we're doing it right. Like in those cases, people are knowing, they know it was wrong. But there's a lot of cases where people are like, oh, this is a cool thing. Where can I get a bunch of text on the Internet? Let me just scrape every single, like, you know, article written in the last 10 years or something. So I, I think unfortunately it is a technology that really lends itself to, you know, ask for forgiveness instead of permission. Yeah, maybe not always the best approach.

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No, I mean, yeah, this lesson needs to be learned and it needed to be learned a long time ago. It continues to not be learned. So lawsuit. Lawsuit, Lawsuit. Frankly, happened. All right, we need to take a quick break before we come back with my story of the week. Joined Joining us today, Dan Moran of Six Colors Calm. Let me tell you about our first sponsor of this week's episode of Tech News Weekly. It is Bit Warden bringing you this episode. Bit Warden is the trusted trusted leader in password, passkey and secrets management. Bitwarden consistently ranked number one in user satisfaction by G2 and software reviews. With more than 10 million users across 180 countries and more than 50,000 businesses. Whether you're protecting one account or thousands, Bit Warden keeps you secure all year long with consistent updates. 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All right, back from the break. We kicked off the show by talking about Grammarly. Now it's time to talk about Ticketmaster. This week the Department of Justice announced a settlement with Live Nation Ticketmaster that on paper was supposed to signal progress in one of the biggest antitrust cases in the entertainment industry. But as Lauren Finer reports for the Verge, the reaction from industry insiders, from lawmakers and from consumer advocates has been anything but celebratory. Instead of the structural breakup many had hoped for, the deal offers what critics describe as a collection of half measures, a 5% fee cap, a pledge to open Ticketmaster's back end to competitors, which almost sounds like Ticketmaster is just mooning the industry. And the divestiture, I mean it is absolutely in the divestiture of booking agreements at just, just 13amphitheaters. The settlement landed right in the middle of an ongoing jury trial, cutting short testimony that was expected to lay bare how Live Nation allegedly wielded its monopoly power. And now many are asking a simple question. Who actually asks for this? So let's talk about what's going on here. I mean we have heard about this ongoing Ticketmaster Live Nation thing for some time and I remember it, I remember, I think it was even Jason Howell, who was getting tickets for his daughter for a Taylor Swift concert and at the same time told me like all of the complaints that he had about it. And then shortly after that we heard that some lawmaker also experienced this and got so mad that it was time to take a look at things, which on one hand love that we're paying attention to this, on the other hand really annoyed that the way that this has to happen is from a lawmaker taking notice. Surprise, surprise. But that gave people hope because we've heard for a long time that Ticketmaster, Live Nation basically has figured out a way to make venues and ticketing all its thing. And there are so many kind of behind the scenes deals that we've Heard about that. Go on that. Make it so that ticket prices have to be very high. But then also there's all the issues with people purchasing tickets and res. I mean, there's just a lot that goes on here. But. But this deal might sound like meaningful reform on the face of it, but when you start to really dig in, it doesn't make a lot of sense because, As I mentioned, they're 5% cap on Ticketmaster service fees at Live Nation owned or operated amphitheaters, a pledge to give artists more transparency on their own ticket sales, and a requirement that Ticketmaster open its backend technology to competitors. But stakeholders are going. One. One, in fact, said the theme today in this. In the discussions I've had with partner organizations and members has been this. Who asks for this? Like using multiple ticketing systems for an event. Oh, wait, let me read this again. He added that several provisions of the settlement either propose solutions his members likely won't care to take advantage of, like using multiple ticketing systems for an event, or are so scaled down that they're hardly meaningful. At trial, witnesses had described Ticketmaster software in unflattering terms. The CEO of the competitor SeatGeek called it, quote, something out of the 1980s. And Kevin Erickson, the director of the artist advocacy group Future of Music Coalition, said they just argued that Ticketmaster's tech stack is held together with duct tape. And so why is giving people access to Ticketmaster's tech stack a remedy? Basically, Ticketmaster got read for filth, but the problem is that the settlement does not match what the community and everyone else is saying is wrong here.

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Right.

[A]

I'd love to hear what are your thoughts on this in general? Yeah. And did you expect that more would come out of this?

[C]

I mean, I hope. I always hope, but that hope usually goes unanswered. You know, the process feels so opaque. I think is one of the frustrations of consumers is, you know, I don't buy a lot of tickets to live events, but I have run into that thing where you buy it and you're like, oh, these tickets, I mean, they're pricey, but they're not bad. And then you go through all the steps and all the fees then get added on, and you're like, wait a second, I thought this was only a hundred dollars. Now it's 150. What happened? So, you know, I think the challenge here is that a lot of this is, you know, is an antitrust problem, and therefore they. It's because Live Nation controls so much of the market, not Only for ticket sales, but for venues. Right, like they are, they own venues. And this is a, this is part of the challenge. I was just reading some good analysis from Ashley Carmen over at Bloomberg about this whole story as well and how we'd hope to find out a little bit more as this progressed through the trial. But since now it's been settled, we're unlikely to know. Although the states, several states have not signed on to this settlement, I guess. So there are still some outstanding legal issues that will need to be, you know, wrapped up. But the, the DOJ for its part is, seems to be satisfied, so we'll see what happens there. One of the things that she point out, which was really interesting, was the breakdown of the costs that were testified to by one of the lawyers for Live Nation who said, essentially, you know, with something like a 78 face value, 74 goes to the artist and four dollars to the promoter. The venue collects a 15 fee, Ticketmaster gets a five dollar fee. The credit card company requires a two dollar transaction fee. You know, certainly Live Nation's taking its fair share, but a lot of the bulk of it basically goes to the artist. And there's the big argument that, well, you know, it's hard to argue against the artists getting paid for this, especially because, you know, if we're talking about music in particular, this is an industry where streaming has depressed how much artists get paid for their music being listened to online. So live concerts are one of the ways they can make that money back. And so that's a challenging aspect to it as well when you're trying to sort of think about it. And you know, there is a, there is an argument as a larger case that, you know, if the, the tickets get too expensive, the market will react and people won't buy tickets because it's too expensive to go to these things. That doesn't seem to be happening in a lot of cases. Right. So the argument we. Well, is the market really suffering from this if people are still buying expensive tickets to go see Taylor Swift? Because there's not really a, a competition to that. Right? You can't, if you're not going to go see Taylor's Way, if you're gonna be like, well, maybe I won't see Taylor Swift, but we'll go to see Bruce Springsteen. No, there's no, there's no substitute, right, for artists. If you like an artist, you're gonna go see that artist. So I think the disappointing part of it is though, they are trying to do things like cap these fees. It does Feel a little bit like week T compared to having more options for third party vendors to be engaged in this process. And obviously over the years, Live Nation and Ticketmaster, they've. They've bought up all the competition. Right. Like, it has become consolidated. This feels like a textbook antitrust situation where one party controls a huge part of this infrastructure. And it's hard to see how this remedy is actually going to fix that problem.

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Yeah, yeah, I just, you know, the Department of Justice even says that Live Nation owns, operates or exclusively books at least 40 of the top 50 and 60 of the top 100amphitheaters in the United States. Huge. So 13 of those across the US is not as many as people would want. And here's the thing. The company isn't actually selling any of those venues. It's agreeing to let other promoters book into them. So some of the 13 agreements.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah. They appear to be in areas where also weather constraints shorten the season or make for uncomfortable summer viewing. So perhaps not even a concession. It seems like this. Of course, what I'm saying, what I'm about to say is just me, you know, speculating, or not even speculating, but just making an observation that it kind of feels like the DOJ and Live Nation sat down together and said, now how can we make this work for both of us? Or even more for Live Nation?

[C]

And I, you know, not to, not to delve too much into the realm of political analysis, but we recently had the antitrust DOJ case against Google too. Right. Which also wrapped up with kind of lackluster remedies against the, the antitrust argument there. And it's hard not to kind of look at these various, connect these dots and think about, well, is there a, is there a political angle when it comes to dealing with the business, you know, and monopolies as a concern in a administration that is, you know, evidently very business friendly. You know, I think, I think there is a part of that that you have to kind of at least consider. And as a result, it doesn't shock me that this DOJ was willing to make a deal here and accept those settlements as being sufficient to remedy the antitrust complaints, which. Yeah, I don't know that I'd agree, but it doesn't surprise me.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm disappointed.

[C]

Just disappointed. That's right. Doj, you heard here from us. We're not surprised. But your, your Tech News Weekly Dads are just disappointed.

[A]

We're just disappointed in you. Now, I want to point out, of course, the settlement arrived mid trial, so the public is not going to get will probably not get that full accounting of Live Nation's behavior or alleged behavior. And that's kind of one of the big complaints. It was Ericsson who said by leapfrogging past the airing of the evidence to the remedies makes it especially difficult to judge whether the sentence matches the crime. The jury had just been hearing from the COO of aeg, which of course is a major Live Nation rival. And the plaintiff's witness list still included more venues, Live Nation executives and yes, for those of you who are for some reason a fan of this person, also included Kid Rock proceeding. States may still continue their case, but the federal settlement sidesteps the kind of public reckoning that we thought was going to come through and make a difference. So yeah, it's not great. It's not great at all.

[C]

Your ticket prices are not really going to go down anytime soon. So if you were hoping to snag some cheap, cheap tickets to that musical act you want, it's still going to be pricey. Yeah.

[A]

Well, Dan Moran, I want to thank you for your capability and your reliability and your availability. All of those things mean a lot. If people would like to follow along with the work that you're doing, where are the places they should go to do so?

[C]

I'm like a, like a mid size rental sedan. I'm capable, I'm reliable, I'm available. There you go. You can find all of my writing about tech [e-mail], which predominantly covers Apple relayed stuff. You can hear my podcasts, including the Rebound, which you can search for on Apple podcasts and clockwise, which I co host with Micah every week over on Relay Relay fm, clockwise. And for all of my other working, including my novels, which you should go buy, you can go to dmorin.com and get a full list.

[A]

What a novel idea.

[C]

What a novel idea.

[A]

Thank you, Dan.

[C]

Thanks.

[A]

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[B]

Thank you so much. It's a good thing I wasn't here last week because then we have something to talk about this week week.

[A]

Yay. So you got to tell us first and foremost where you were. And you know what? I, I, I think some people at least will want to hear, especially people who are regular guests. What was it like being in Barcelona?

[B]

Yes, I was in Barcelona for Mobile World Congress. It was my second time being there, and second time is a bit more, a little easier to navigate than the first time, where it's all just whirlwind and you're running around the show floor and realizing just how many booths there are. But this year was great. It was just as busy, but I kind of learned how to manage my time a little better. Enjoy being in Barcelona a little bit more. And it's great. It's a great environment just to be around so many people who are so excited about not just tech, but mobile tech. And, and, and the, the world part of Mobile World Congress is so true. I think, you know, you see some of that at ces, but I think when you're, you know, obviously in a different location, you're going to have a different of people, where Europe might be closer to them than the US might be. And so you just get a whole different mix of people. So it's really fun to see all that.

[A]

That is. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I can imagine that being part of the, the experience now. Yeah. Tell us, how does Mobile World Congress compare to CES in terms of perhaps what we'll do to what the, what the MWC folks sort of pitch Mobile World Congress as. And then also, how does it compare in terms of actually being there and what it turns out being.

[B]

Yes, so the nice thing about Mobile World Congress is that it's a little bit more focused. I think those of us who go to CS and MWC is still overwhelming. They're both overwhelming. But you go to CS and there's so many types of tech. There's such a variety of categories that you could tap into. There's a little bit of that with mwc, but it's, it's really more mobile technology focused. So whether you're talking about hardware or satellite technology or, you know, accessories or, you know, cellular providers, all of those things, it's a little bit more, it's, it's a little bit more focused on, on a particular niche rather than feeling like, oh, my gosh, like, you know, you still have robots, of course, because it's tech conference, but it's still, it's a little bit more like, honed in, which is, which is really nice. So in terms of, of the pitches and also just in terms of navigating the show floor, there's, you know, similar to ces, there's, you know, different pavilions for different countries. But. But you see a lot of the same big players there. You know, Samsung's going to be there, Google's going to be there. Apple was not there. But Apple still, you know, made waves with their own announcements. Love that for them and for those of us who are running around covering all of it.

[A]

Yeah. So let's then dig into the Magic. Tell us sort of what you saw, what stuck out to you, it looks like. I look at the CNET recap and there was quite a bit of stuff. Tell us. Yeah, let's just go down the list of what you saw and liked and thought was interesting.

[B]

Yeah, well, one of the things that I saw actually technically for the second time was the Motorola RAZR Fold. I saw this first at CES and then got a little bit more hands on time during mwc and this is coming out in the summer. Very excited about this, just because it's always cool to see another player in the, in the phone, in the foldable phone space. So it has a larger external and internal display than the Galaxy Z Fold 7 or the Pixel 10 Pro Fold. Also kind of like that slimmer design. So really great to see that. I think the phone that really stole the spotlight, though, was the Honor Robot phone with the little, little camera on a gimbal that, that comes out and is very, very flashy. The flashiest phone there. But The Honor Magic V6 was there too, so lots of, lots of unique phone concepts. And that was kind of my takeaway from this was people talk a lot about how phones are boring, but there are some really interesting phones out there. It's whether you are willing to leave your iPhone behind and try something a little bit different. And those options exist, maybe not as much us as they do in some parts of the world, but we have a good amount of options here. And then one other phone that caught my attention, so techno had a few. Speaking of phones that we don't really have here, they had a few concepts that were really cool. I think the thing that really stole the spotlight and really dominated our socials was this modular phone where the phone itself is 4.9 millimeters thick. But what you do is you can attach battery packs, you can attach a larger camera, you can attach microphones, all these, all these magnetic accessories to kind of build up your phone as you want it, so that if you want, you just have a thin little thing that's easy to toss in your pocket. But if you really want to build it up, you can attach all these components, which is really Cool. So I think those are kind of the most interesting phone concepts and devices. And then the thing that I tried for the first time was the Android XR glasses, smart glasses. These have been introduced for a while now. We saw them at Google I O last year too, but it was my first time actually trying them on. And I am not a smart glasses person. I don't think they're really necessary. I think plain old glasses are just fine. But then I tried these on and I was like, you know what? Maybe you don't knock it till you try it. And once I tried was really cool to see Google Maps in. In the lens and not obstructing my view because I think one of the things that really bugs me is when you're in a new place and you're walking around and you want to navigate, but you also want to. Just want to, like, see where you are.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You want to see your surroundings. Okay. But you wear these smart glasses and then you can have that Google Maps navigation and still be able to take everything in, which is really cool. Being able to look at something and say, play a song from that album or look at a picture and say, guide me here. Or the really cool thing is translation. So somebody speaks to you in a different language, and then you see that text, you hear that translation in an AI version of their voice at the same time. Dystopian, cool, all of that. So now I'm apparently a smart glasses believer. All it takes is two seconds and that's it. So, yeah, and then I'll. I think one other thing that. That stood out to me was I saw this exhibit for airport technology. So what the airport of the future could potentially look like. So obviously robots, like a robot concierge could be an option, an entertainment robot as you wait for your delayed flight, which sounds super fun and not aggravating. Then there's also smart luggage tags where you can, you know, essentially connect it to this app for a luggage tag called Bag id and then it'll show a digital tag and refresh for your flight. So you're not using paper tags all the time. You can use it. You can track it with Apple Find my or Samsung SmartThings. And then the last airport thing that I thought was. Was cool was a little autonomous cart called Alba Ride, which is launching at Dallas Fort Worth Airport this year. And it's a little autonomous single single rider seat that will get you to your gate and good for. Good for mobility, increasing accessibility and getting people to their gates faster and easier, hopefully.

[A]

Okay. Airport Tech.

[B]

Yeah, you know, it was a big focus for them this year. For some reason. They were advertising like crazy every corner. We went, yeah, wow.

[A]

What would you say perhaps is sort of in your specific favorite tech space? Like what sort of theme wise that you saw there, but then also when you were on the plane leaving what stuck with you?

[C]

You.

[B]

Yeah, I think there's something very similar to last year, which is the thin foldable phone craze. So I am, I'm really fascinated by companies kind of experimenting more. I think you can only pitch AI so much and realize how little people care. Then once you do something like make a phone super thin or make it fold, or even with Samsung, make a display that, you know, blocks out the view from the side in only certain portions of the screen. The privacy display on the S25 Ultra is amazing. These kinds of things where it's like, hardware matters. And so to see that kind of innovation was really cool. And it really does echo a lot of the trends that we saw last year and that are continuing this year and we're continuing at Mobile World Congress. So I think it's an exciting time to be in the market for a new phone and have some fun with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Now

[A]

when you looked, I mean, because I would imagine you're seeing people, you know, walking around with tech and then also seeing sort of the groupings right. Of where people are going. I'm kind of curious for the people who are there that are covering all of this, are they still carrying iPhones and Samsung phones or, or do you see people kind of quote unquote, putting their money where their mouth is in terms of actually making use of some of these other options that are there?

[B]

It's funny that you asked that because it's actually something I kind of called out in my wrapper piece is that people are fawning over these phones, but guess what they're recording with. They're recording with an iPhone or the S25 Ultra, whatever they have in their hands. We are creatures of habit. And I think even me personally, right, like, I, I'm good with one screen, I'm good with a phone that doesn't fold. I like testing those phones, I like using those phones. But when it comes to just something I need every day, innovation is really exciting, but it's not always needed for your everyday tasks. So I think I saw a lot of that, you know, and I think when you do look at people from certain parts of the world where they have a little bit more variety, you see like, oh, they they like to experiment a little bit more than we do in the West. So definitely a divide there. But I wonder if that'll change. I wonder if there will someday be this wave. Maybe once Apple decides to experiment more with their hardware that we'll see more people kind of shift to having some more fun with that.

[A]

Yeah, I think some more fun. Some more whimsy would be nice.

[B]

Yeah. Just in general. Yeah.

[A]

Now, the last thing that I am curious about is how much pet tech did you see while you were there? Was there lots of pet tech? A little bit of pet tech. Will my dog start carrying, carrying around a watch that I can call her or him on?

[B]

Yeah, I. So my colleague Patrick Holland definitely looked at the pet phone, I believe it's called. He wants to know if he can talk to his cats. Right. So there was a good amount of it there. I personally didn't end up checking out a lot of it because I'm a boring person with no pets. I know it's disappointing. I got to work on that. But, but that is always. I mean, I feel like that's such a growing trend at any tech conference. Right. Is people love their pets. How do we tap into this and make that process of caring for your pet easier? And, and yeah. What if you could just keep in touch with them? And, and so, yeah, I'm glad I had some colleagues who are more, more fun than I am look into that kind of stuff.

[A]

Oh yeah, there's. There'll be a link in the show notes to an article about the pet cam and pet phone. Yeah. I have used in the past. I had a, A, it was a webcam that was a dog treat dispenser. You, you would think. And I think if you have a big dog, probably a lot of fun. My dogs immediately became terrified of it because it, like it. It goes as the hopper sort of brings a treat down into this little thing and then it goes. There's this little arm inside the. That shoots the treat out into the, you know, into the space.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so between those two sounds plus things flying at them.

[B]

Right. I can understand that's frightening.

[A]

Yeah. So anytime I turn, turned it on to try to see them while I was gone, they would be as far away from it as possible.

[B]

Maybe we could all use a little less tech, I think is the takeaway here, us and our pets.

[A]

Yeah, that is the takeaway. That is the takeaway. Abrar. Anything else that you want to mention before we say goodbye or did we. Did we cover what mattered at mwc?

[B]

I think so. I think that that pretty much covers the gist of it and I'm glad I got to talk to you about it. It's a good time and yeah, just really cool to see what different people care about in different parts of the world and what we have in common.

[A]

Nice. Thank you so much, Abrar. We appreciate it.

[B]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Take care.

[A]

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And for savvy early adopters with even a little technical, know how it has turned into a genuine business opportunity. But beneath the gold rush energy, there are real questions about security, about practicality, and whether the hype is outpacing the technology itself. So let's talk first and foremost about Open Claw in China. First, you should know that Open Claw has been given the nickname Lobster in China. It's a reference of course to its logo. And raising a lobster has become the phrase of the moment. One 36 year old software engineer in Shenzhen says have you raised a lobster yet? Has that, like that, that question have you raised a lobster yet? Has been inescapable over the past month. The engineer has been building open source tools on top of the openclaw ecosystem since January, including one that visualizes the agent's progress as an animated desktop worker and another that lets users voice chat with it. You've probably heard about Leo's use of the tool and then also heard about the security implications on Security Now. Now this is another thing that's important to understand. Who are the people who are making use of it? Who is, who's raising lobsters right now? There are lawyers, doctors who have little technical background but are curious about learning new things. So it's not just developers, but in China they're cross disciplinary gatherings where people meet to talk about raising lobster and seems to be perhaps more AI curiosity in China than we even have here in the us. The scale of community engagement is something worth pointing out. Just last weekend, the developer we were talking about attended three Open Claw events in Shenzhen. These are separate events and each had more than 500 people. The largest on March 7th pulled in more than 1,000 attendees. So many that people were standing shoulder to shoulder with many unable to find a seat. One of the tech influencers who was there did a live stream showing Open Claws capabilities and ended up getting 20,000 views. But it's not just big tech in China. We can't forget about big government in China. China's major tech companies are riding the wave. Tencent held a public event offering free installation support for OpenClaw that of course drew long lines. Elderly users, children. Companies are promoting their own line models, APIs and cloud services that work with the lobster as well as their own open call like agents. Perhaps more telling though, again, government response, the one district in Shenzhen released policies to support Open Claw related ventures offering free computing credits and also cash rewards for standout projects. Other cities have begun rolling out similar measures. Henry Lee, who's a software engineer in Beijing, captures just how deep this seems to go, saying, it was not until my father who is 77, asked me to help install a lobster for him that I realized this thing is truly viral and it's become a bit of a gold rush. Open call requires a level of technical knowledge that most people don't have. You've got to type commands into a terminal, you got to navigate developer platforms running in running. It is also an issue if you've got older or budget laptops. It's going to be a struggle installing it on a daily use computer without doing that. Data partitioning is it's you're dealing with privacy and security risks. And so that gap that's become apparent here that exists between demand but also technical capability has then created this new service economy. There's a 27 year old software engineer in Beijing who started selling a basic installation service for just about $14. Within weeks he'd scaled into a full fledged operation with tiered packages of basic installation, custom configuration packages, ongoing tutoring. Quick became overwhelmed with customers and pulled in around $830 at a single weekend on Chinese e commerce platforms. There if you search Open Claw, hundreds of listening listings, excuse me, for installation guides, technical support packages and there are also hardware sellers who are cashing in. One Shenzhen based seller who sells refurbished Macs was among the first to offer Mac minis and MacBooks with open claw pre installed. It runs continuously in the background. Obviously it's got hard drive and so people are after that dedicated device rather than risking their personal data on their everyday machines. Apparently Lee says that orders have increased Eightfold in just two weeks. We'll talk in a moment about the people who are not buying into OpenClaw, perhaps some of you as well. 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Using Open Call safely and getting meaningful results requires a level of technical, technical, technical fluency and independent judgment that most new users simply just don't have. Yet on March 10, China's cybersecurity regulator CN CERT issued a formal warning about open calls, security and data risks, saying the tool heightens users exposure to data breaches. Despite those concerns, the enthusiasm does not appear to be slowing. The one person who is now flush with money from his Open Claw side business has bigger ambitions, wants to use the momentum and the capital to build out a venture with AI tools at the center. So not just this, but other tools as well. With Open Claw and other AI agents, I want to see if I can run a one person company. I'm giving myself one year, frankly, a sentiment that seems to capture the broader energy of this moment in China. 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