-8 Degrees in Minneapolis, But Things Just Got Hotter OVERNIGHT

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: -8 Degrees in Minneapolis, But Things Just Got Hotter OVERNIGHT

Release Date: January 17, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach (“Robes”), T.J. Holmes, Rose

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Episode Overview

On this urgent Saturday morning episode, Amy and T.J. deliver an in-depth, real-time update on rapidly evolving events in Minneapolis, where, despite brutal sub-zero temperatures, political and legal tensions have heated up dramatically overnight. The main focus is the Department of Justice’s unprecedented criminal investigation of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, a topic that prompts frank discussion of free speech, political retribution, and the role of federal power in escalating local unrest. The hosts also recap a federal judge’s major ruling on the limits of ICE agents' actions against protesters, debate the potential invocation of the Insurrection Act, and share direct responses from the implicated officials.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Political Climate in Minneapolis

[03:30 – 04:40]

• Weather context: It's -8°F in Minneapolis but “things just got hotter overnight” due to political developments, not the temperature.
  • “There have been significant developments overnight...Most thought freezing temps would calm things down.” – Robes [03:30]
• Rising hope that cold weather would dampen civil unrest, referencing research tying warmer temps to increased street tensions; that hope proved misplaced as national controversies took center stage.

2. DOJ Criminal Investigation: Walz & Frey

[04:40 – 07:26]

• Bombshell development: The DOJ has opened a criminal investigation into Governor Walz and Mayor Frey, accusing them of “conspiracy to obstruct federal agents.”
  • “The heat is not necessarily coming from the temperature...the heat is coming from Washington, D.C.” – Robes [04:40]
  • Reason for probe: Their public statements allegedly “impeded federal agents’ ability to do their jobs” and incited anti-government sentiment, fostering insurrection.
  • “They are impeding federal agents...by riling up the public...they have incited some sort of anti government sentiment...” – Rose [06:42]

3. Weaponization of the Justice System & First Amendment Fears

[07:26 – 10:15]

• The hosts argue the investigation is part of a larger pattern: criticism of the administration leads to federal legal threats, which they see as political retribution.
• Citing legal experts:
  • “The right to condemn government action without fear of government punishment is the foundation of the First Amendment.” – Rose [08:09]
  • Chilling effect: If elected officials can be criminally investigated for their speech, it signals jeopardy for everyday citizen rights.
  • “If your governor can be criminally investigated...what does that say to Citizen Joe and Citizen Jane? You have zero protection...” – Rose [09:34]

4. Comparing U.S. Actions to Authoritarian States

[10:15 – 12:09]

• Intense discomfort and fear about the nation’s direction:
  • “We are not the United States of America anymore. We have become...in some of our behavior...things we read about in social studies class.” – Robes [08:45]
  • “This isn’t freedom. This isn’t democracy. This isn’t that thing that we say...” – Robes [12:03]
• The group reflects on their experiences in journalism, both at home and abroad, highlighting how press freedom and dissent were always assumed safe in the U.S. until now.
  • “We have absolutely had conversations about, oof, should we say that or go too far? That might piss off the wrong person…” – Robes [12:09]
  • “I remember going to bed that night thinking...how grateful am I to live in a country where I can say something about the President...knowing that I am not going to be targeted...” – Rose [12:38]

5. Direct Reactions from Mayor Frey & Governor Walz

[19:49 – 20:41]

• Mayor Frey:
  • “This is an obvious attempt to intimidate me for standing up for Minneapolis local law enforcement and residents against the chaos and danger this administration has brought to our city. I will not be intimidated. My focus remains where it’s always been, keeping our city safe.” – Mayor Frey [19:49]
• Governor Walz:
  • “…Weaponizing the justice system against your opponents is an authoritarian tactic. The only person not being investigated for the shooting of Renee Good is the federal agent who shot her.” – Gov. Walz, referencing a recent controversial police-involved shooting [20:19]
• Reports indicate both have received subpoenas.

6. Federal Court Ruling on Protest Policing

[21:25 – 22:47]

• A federal judge issued a restraining order banning ICE agents from retaliating against peaceful protesters.
  • “You cannot retaliate against, arrest, detain or use chemical irritants against people engaging in peaceful protest.” – Rose [21:25]
• The hosts debate the subjective nature of what constitutes “peaceful” protest and whether the ruling will curb agent behavior, especially under the current administration.

7. Trump and the Insurrection Act—Shifts and Signals

[23:28 – 24:45]

• Trump has recently threatened, but then appeared to back off, invoking the Insurrection Act to crack down on unrest.
  • “He said...I don’t think there’s any reason right now to use it, but if I needed it, I’d use it.” – Rose [24:12]
• The hosts note how administration officials and Trump’s social posts have signaled readiness, but as of the taping, escalation has been paused.

8. Ongoing Unrest, The Weather & The Weekend Ahead

[18:33 – 25:20]

• While overnight protests cooled in the streets due to extreme cold, online discourse and legal maneuvering intensified.
• “It literally, literally might cool things down. And figuratively, I guess, it’s both.” – Rose [25:20]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the chilling effect for dissenters:
  • “If someone disagrees with you and you’re the party in power, do you then get to arrest or charge that person? That’s absurd.” – TJ Holmes [10:52]
• Reflecting on American exceptionalism:
  • “This is why we are better. This is why the United States broke free from other places. That’s why...we stand as that beacon of freedom, of hope. Because we see this shit going on anywhere around the world, we will step in and stop it.” – Robes [08:45]
• On feeling surveillance while reporting abroad:
  • “When I was in China...they said be careful of anything you write in your computer, any email you send, any conversation you have, they are listening. Now look, here we are...” – Rose [13:49]
• On uncertainty of legal protections:
  • “If your governor can be criminally investigated for speaking out...you have zero protection if your elected leaders are now potentially facing criminal charges. That is a...silencing blow to a lot of people.” – Rose [09:34]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Start of main discussion / headline context: [03:30]
• Announcement of DOJ probe: [04:40]
• Discussion of First Amendment implications: [08:09]
• Hosts’ personal reflections as journalists: [12:09]
• Direct statement from Mayor Frey: [19:49]
• Direct statement from Governor Walz: [20:19]
• Federal judge’s protest ruling: [21:25]
• Trump backs off Insurrection Act: [24:12]
• Reflection on weather’s effect and episode wrap-up: [25:12]

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Summary

This episode is a timely, spontaneous response to a night of unprecedented legal and political moves in Minneapolis. Amy, T.J., and Rose contextualize the DOJ’s aggressive targeting of local officials within larger trends of increasing federal retribution for dissent. They dissect the consequences for democracy, protest rights, and the role of free press, grounding their analysis in direct quotes from officials and their own journalistic experiences. Legal rulings and shifting White House rhetoric are unpacked for listeners, giving a clear but unsettling snapshot of a city (and a nation) at a chilling crossroads—both literally and figuratively.

Transcript

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[Robes]

Hey, good morning, folks. It is Saturday, January 17th, and as of this recording, it is 8 degrees in Minneapolis. It feels like 1 below, and by this evening, it's gonna feel like 8 below. But would you believe things are actually getting hotter in Minneapolis? And with that, welcome to this episode of amy and T. T.J. robes. Really, people had a lot of hopes and we're coming on this Saturday morning because there have been significant developments overnight, but a lot of people really felt like the best chance maybe for things to calm down. It's gonna be freezing. Nobody wants to go out in that stuff, right?

[Rose]

Exactly.

[Robes]

It's gonna be bad weather. This week.

[Rose]

There have been studies about violence in cities and how it relates to temperature. And it is a known fact that hotter climates tend to have more crime because people are out in the streets and are comfortable out there. So saying and doing whatever they want.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, when it's that cold, people are.

[Rose]

Like, I feel passionate, but yeah, that's too uncomfortable for me. Even for a Minnesotan who is used to this kind of weather, this is brutal stuff. And, yeah, the hope was that people would just let the cooler temperatures cool their temperature.

[Robes]

And it has and it hasn't happened. And we should say, and again, we're coming on because there have been developments yesterday and one of the major ones, robes. And we talked about it getting hotter there, but the heat is not necessarily coming from the temperatures there in Minneapolis. The heat is coming from Washington, D.C. the heat is going towards Tim Waltz and Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis. And so the major development roads that this thing has taken off is that now the Department of Justice is opening a criminal investigation of the two leaders essentially of what we've been seeing going on in that state.

[Rose]

And this shouldn't be that shocking because this is now, unfortunately, it seems par for the course, that if you disagree with the administration, if you go against or you oppose what the administration is doing or saying, you subject yourself potentially to a DOJ investigation. That is what we have seen. And so, yes, Tim Waltz and Jacob Fry are the two latest political folks who are now being threatened with criminal charges by the Trump administration.

[Robes]

Perceived, right. Perceived political enemies, as we, we seem to like to say. But these perceived enemies might be dragged into a courtroom. We'll give you the details of that and what they said in response to that. The other major headline is that there has been a ruling by a judge, a federal judge, about what ICE agents can and cannot do with protesters there in the streets. We'll explain that. Also, don't know if this is a flip flop or not, but the president sounded like he was going the direction of the Insurrection Act. Now it seems like he is backed off that a little bit. So, yes, a lot of developments overnight. Who knows what kind of a weekend it was going to be. So we just wanted to hop on and give you this update. But Robes, yes, like you said, the big headline and multiple outlets are reporting this, that yes, the mayor of Minneapolis and the governor of Minnesota are being criminally investigated now by the Department of Justice for what is being called a conspiracy to obstruct federal agents by, by.

[Rose]

Their public statements, they are basically according to the DOJ or according to this investigation, they are impeding federal agents ability to do their jobs by basically riling up the public by their public statements, they have incited some sort of anti government sentiment that has created the situation or an insurrection.

[Robes]

One good army.

[Rose]

Right, that word. I was trying to find another way. But yes, they say that through their public statements they have impeded federal immigration agents from doing their jobs and that is a criminal charge.

[Robes]

But again, like we say, Robsa and in some places are describing this as I guess an extraordinary right now moment in which the temperature is going off. Like this is a once again an extraordinary step like you almost can't believe. An unprecedented step once again being taken by the president. But the thing is, is this president, it seems like he's been doing this quite a bit. If you want to go with Lisa Cook, you want to go with Comey, you want to go with Letitia James? Who else? You want to go, you want to go with Mark Kelly as of late. But it seems like if you take a stance against him publicly or come after him, he will absolutely come back and he's got the entire federal law enforcement agency at his disposal.

[Rose]

Yes, it's concerning. And when you have legal experts and folks weighing in saying Things like the right to condemn government action without fear of government punishment is the foundation of the First Amendment. That was a quote by a legal expert. And. Yeah, I thought that is what this country was based on.

[TJ Holmes]

So where.

[Rose]

Where is the right to free speech? Where is the right to condemn our leaders? That is one of the principles and foundations of this country. And if by doing so, you now subject yourself to criminal prosecution by that same federal government, that is some scary, scary stuff. And that is what we are looking at right now.

[Robes]

We are not the United States of America anymore. We have become in some of our behavior. This is not political. But there is. It's. It's undeniable that some of the things we're seeing are things we read about in social studies classes about things. This is why we are better. This is why the United States broke free from other places. That's why we didn't follow what other places were doing. This is why we stood at that beacon. We stand as that beacon of freedom, of hope. Because we see this shit going on anywhere around the world, we will step in and stop it.

[Rose]

Yes. And if you.

[TJ Holmes]

And that is what we were taught.

[Rose]

That is what we believe. But now, if you are seeing your elected mayor or your elected governor speaking out against the federal government, they disagree with policy, they disagree with procedure, they disagree with their mode of operation, and now they're being criminally investigated.

[TJ Holmes]

That.

[Rose]

So if. If your governor can be criminally investigated, if your mayor can be criminally investigated for speaking out against federal government policy, what does that say to Citizen Joe and Citizen Jane? You have zero protection if your elected leaders are now potentially facing criminal charges. That is a. A silencing blow to a lot of people.

[Robes]

A political enemy is being hauled into a federal criminal investigation. That is not the United States. That's not the United States. That's not what.

[Rose]

It's scary. There's no other word to describe what's happening or the threat of what's happening as anything other than frightening.

[Robes]

But how do we have this conversation in which there, I assume there are some people who see what's happening to Mayor Fry and Tim Walton, like, yeah, arrest them. This is how it should. Why? I don't. I don't. I don't know how to hear a counter to someone saying, this is what should happen. This is something other than political retribution. I don't know how to. I really don't, because I'm not trying to take a political stance.

[Rose]

Yeah, you can disagree. That's fine. And everyone can disagree with one another, but if someone disagrees with you and you're the party in power, do you then get to arrest or charge that person?

[TJ Holmes]

That's absurd.

[Robes]

And I told you earlier this week, a day or two ago, arrest Tim Waltz was trending online. Now, there's other stuff going on in that state having to do with the massive fraud investigations. And people are looking at him. The buck stops with him. Sure.

[Rose]

That's a different story altogether.

[Robes]

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. It has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. Right. You are correct. These guys, by all accounts, and including the ones coming from doj, you're. You're speaking out publicly in a way that's against what the federal government is trying to do. Therefore, you are involved in the conspiracy to obstruct. And that is a crime. It's a stretch, but it is a crime. And look, we can go on and on. We're not trying to challenge the president. We're trying to challenge, at least legally, what all this stuff means. But we are journalists, we are students, and we know we are all in this country, we have been taught that when we see things like this, these are things that have led to war, oppression. People who have done these things as leaders of other countries, other countries come and intervene to stop that stuff from happening. This isn't freedom. This isn't democracy. This isn't that thing that we say.

[Rose]

We are based leadership.

[Robes]

It's not what we say we are.

[Rose]

It's fear based. That's not who we are.

[Robes]

And we've had conversations here. We are nothing. We are little bitty nothing engines that could, running a podcast, doing our thing, broadcasting from a studio at the house. And we have absolutely had conversations about, oof, should we say that or go too far? That might piss off the wrong person having to do with the administration.

[Rose]

And that's not how journalists should be operating.

[Robes]

Never, ever.

[Rose]

But we're seeing it happen.

[Robes]

Never crossed my mind in my career.

[Rose]

Never mind either.

[TJ Holmes]

Not once.

[Rose]

In fact, I used to say I went to. This was years ago, an award ceremony for the Society for the Protection of Journalists, and I was hearing stories from other countries about journalists who reported the truth or who investigated an administration or. And they died. And so you've got their photographer or their producer. I have chills going up to accept their honor on their behalf because they were killed. And I remember going to bed that night thinking, my God, how incredible is it? How grateful am I to live in a country where I can say something about the President of the United States and sleep soundly tonight, knowing that I am not going to be targeted, I am going to be safe, my family's going to be safe, because I live in the United States of America and I'm a journalist and I can say and report on what I see.

[Robes]

Or you might get subpoenaed. These days, this is what we are. And these subpoenaed, this is criminal stuff. And I know you mentioning that rope, I hadn't thought about it until this moment. We've traveled plenty of places, covered international events and when you're bunking with or you're in a row with journalists from all over the world, they're are in awe of the freedom you have and the things you get to say and the things you get to do. This is, they're in awe of it.

[Rose]

And now here we are and it's, it's frightening. I, it's funny, you just reminded me of when I was in China for a couple weeks and I remember I was with NBC News at that time and they said be careful of anything you write in your computer, any email you sent, any conversation you have, they are listening, they are watching. We don't know if your hotel rooms are bugged. We, we don't know what kind of access they may have to your basically your electronic news gathering. And that was this craziest thing to think about, to feel like you were being watched and you were being recorded and you were being, you had to be careful what you said and did.

[Robes]

And now look, okay, look, we wanted to give you these updates, but stay here folks. We actually want to tell you we did hear from Mayor Fry and from Governor Walsh will tell you what they had to say about this. Also the other major development, a judge issued a ruling about how federal agents can treat the protesters. We'll explain what that's about. And not sure if it's a flip flop, but Trump is going a little bit back and forth over the Insurrection Act. Stay here.

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[Robes]

All right, folks, we'll continue here on this Saturday morning, January 17th. Overnight developments out of Minneapolis. All eyes been on that city, of course, with the surge of federal agents going into that town. Of course, the president says this is to stop illegal immigration. It's also to keep an eye on the fraud scandal that's been going on there. But Mayor Fry, Governor Waltz will tell you this is just the president once again wielding power and coming after a democratic or progressive city robes. Overnight, things got a little calm. Yes, we should flat out say things were quieter last night. Things were colder, much, much colder. And things did quiet down the street.

[Rose]

Yes, the two might be related, that is fair to say. But yes, Thursday night, overnight was a tough night. There were a lot of heated protests and some ugly exchanges. I believe a dozen folks arrested Friday, some of those clashes continued between protesters and ICE agents. But yes, overnight we looked and scoured the headlines and really didn't see much of anything in terms of anything other than a peaceful, peaceful protest. So things did get calmer overnight, but things did heat up online. We did hear Mayor Fry, we did hear from Governor Waltz who did react to this notion or this, these reports that they are being federally investigated, Jacob.

[Robes]

Frye saying, and Mayor Fry saying this is an obvious attempt to intimidate me for standing up for Minneapolis local law enforcement and residents against the chaos and danger this administration has brought to our city. I will not be intimidated. My focus remains where it's always been, keeping our city safe. Now some islands are actually reporting and Tim Waltz and Jacob Fry didn't directly mention. You're not supposed to when it comes to. I think there is some secrecy involved here, but there are reports that, yes, they have received subpoenas.

[Rose]

Wow. Yes. And Tim Waltz wrote this on x 2 days ago it was Alyssa Slotkin. Last week it was Jerome Powell. Before that, Mark Kelly. Weaponizing the justice system against your opponents is an authoritarian tactic. The only person not being investigated for the shooting of Renee Good is the federal agent of who shot her.

[Robes]

And we should remind her there that the investigation. Several prosecutors quit, resigned in protest over the idea of this investigation. They said they were being pressured to take it in the direction of investigating Renee Good instead of investigating the actual shooting and the agent and his actions. Pam Bondi did chime in as well on X I guess not a surprise here. She says just quote, a reminder to all those in Minnesota, no one is above the law. You can take it to mean whatever you want, but maybe pretty clear what direction and who's she's directing that towards. The other thing yesterday, robes was a lawsuit that's been going on since December having to do with some protesters. Acl, you brought this. But we got a ruling from the judge. Don't know how much impact it's going to have, but still making a lot of headlines.

[Rose]

Yes. The judge issued basically a restraining order that would ban ICE agents from retaliating against peaceful protesters. You can't put tear gas. You can't. There's a lot of things that. Rubber bullets and tear gas have been dispersed. Lots of reports of folks. It's just inciting more anger. And so the judge said, yes, you cannot retaliate against, arrest, detain or use chemical irritants against people engaging in peaceful protest. The problem is, what is peaceful protesting? That is where the gray area is. When does it go from being peaceful to not peaceful?

[Robes]

And they have to have some leeway in dispersing a crowd. They have to have. I mean, these are tactics used when people are told to leave, to disperse, and they don't. The police have to use an authority, some kind of tactic. How this is going to go, how impactful this is going to be, I don't know. How do you enforce. How do you tell an agent you can't stop cars that aren't obstructing?

[Rose]

Yes.

[Robes]

And of course, you see that and you apply that to Renee. Good. The shooting we just saw, was that car obstructing? Should she have been bothered based on this ruling now? I don't know. And this one here, agents should be at an appropriate distance. All right. It does not by itself create reasonable suspicion to justify a vehicle stop. It's just, it's vague. And I don't know if this is a good tool that's going to help anything there at all. But it happened.

[Rose]

So it's making headlines, at least it's something. It's putting. Perhaps I say this not fully knowing the weight of this, but it is putting ICE agents on notice that a judge is saying, I am ordering this, I am banning you from doing this. But if you feel like you have the Trump administration's backing to do what you need to do, you're probably going to do whatever you feel like you need to do because, you know, you have the support of the administration and.

[Robes]

It'S taken them like in 90 seconds after that shooting, they were out defending Jonathan Ross, I think is his name that shot Renee Good and the other shooter. They're quick to defend their agents and I'm sure that is good for morale at the agency to a certain degree, knowing that the folks in charge got you back.

[Rose]

Yes, that's not always the case in a lot of corporate structures. So, yes, that might be one thing. And then the other big headline and you tease this is that Trump now seems to be backing away from his Insurrection act threat. He's saying, hey, it doesn't look like.

[TJ Holmes]

We need to do it now, but.

[Rose]

You know, I've got it in my back pocket.

[Robes]

Basically don't know what to make of. He made those comments last night as he was leaving the White House, just talking to reporters. I haven't checked this morning. I'll give it a little while and see if he's tweeted something else. But the tweet he sent yesterday on Truth Social, this is, I mean, he's been talking about this. It looks like we were leading up to that. And so many people in the administration in their interviews and on their Twitter accounts have been hinting at it looks like they were getting ready. But he backed it off a little bit last night.

[Rose]

Yeah. He said in Minnesota, the troublemakers, agitators and insurrectionists are in many cases highly paid professionals. The governor and mayor don't know what to do. They have totally lost control and are currently being rendered useless. If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively. So that was him kind of teasing the Insurrection Act. But then, yes, last night he said, I don't think there's any reason right now to use it, but if I needed it, I'd use it.

[Robes]

Vague. Okay, but you're on notice. But those are the developments in Minneapolis. It is going to be a pretty brutal weather weekend even for them. Don't be wrong.

[Rose]

Oh, yes, I think anytime you have sub zero temperatures as the actual, I mean, those are the real feel. But single digit actual temperature and then yes, below zero with the wind chill, that's, that's intimidating for just about anybody, even a hearty Minnesotan.

[Robes]

Yeah, five below today, five below on Monday. They're going into a pretty brutal stretch here.

[Rose]

It might be for the best. It literally, literally might cool things down. And figuratively, I guess it's both.

[Robes]

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