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Amy Robach
Yes. The bodies of the four divers who had been missing have now been located. And they've described where they found these bodies as a maze of caves, Even a shark cave is how they've described. Describe this. This is near the Maldives. And there was a fifth body. The first body they found. It was the body of their diving instructor actually was found outside of the cave system. And they found. Now, those four missing. They're all Italian. Correct. Italian divers now in this elaborate cave system in the Maldives.
TJ Holmes
Okay. And we say, we hear Maldives. And I think most people have a general idea and maybe robes, even the general idea of the images. But yes, it's out. Tiny. Tiny. I guess it is considered a country. Tiny country. Collection of islands, but tiny. Tiny. But robes. It has a big, big international footprint in a lot of ways. People know this is the spot to go if you want to dive.
Amy Robach
Yes. And so diving enthusiasts, this is a Mecca. This is a. A place that people from around the world flock to because they have incredible underwater cave systems. All the things that scare the heck out of me, and I would be so fearful, but people flock there to go find these elaborate cave systems and all of this. This incredible system lives below the surface, and they went way below. There is actually a limit. And they have so many divers here. And safety, obviously, is the most important part of enjoying this incredible thing that folks do that I can't even get my head around. But they go in there, and they're highly trained, and these folks were highly trained, and they were specialists. They were scientists. They knew what they were doing, presumably, or at least it was. I think you could safely assume they knew what they were doing given their incredible resumes. But there's a limit to how deep divers are supposed to go in this
TJ Holmes
area and in this area, how deep you're supposed to go. And this was not. And it's important to note this part. These weren't just some yokels. Right? This wasn't. That's what say local yokels. But these weren't just some tourists that showed up and didn't know what they were doing. And hey teaches this. These were not tourists. They were specifically described as researchers attached to a university in Italy. And like you said, and again, this was a group that was much bigger. They had 20 plus as a member of, as part of this expedition they called it. But this particular dive was only five folks. One was the diving instructor. So let's go back to Thursday robes. What happens is these five go for a dive and they didn't come back up when they were supposed to.
Amy Robach
Correct. And they were now they said they went down and then yes, when they didn't come back, they found out that they were at a depth and of around 50 meters, which is about 164ft. The limit, the diving limit is 30 meters or around 98ft. So that is a significant departure of what they allow. Just for a safety purposes. You have to have specialized equipment to go deeper. And look, I started reading up on what happens to your body when you go that deep. This is, this is not anything to mess with.
TJ Holmes
This is dangerous. And there's a reason those limits are there. And there is a reason that now in these New York Times reporting there is a criminal investigation into what happened. Because rules, as far as I understand robes were broken. There were some clear guidelines for what you can do. And it's put there for what reason? For safety. Because this thing, the last thing they want in the Maldives robes is to have someone killed, have someone hurt, injure themselves to where it's not as attractive to people for people to come. This is a huge economic driver. And I say it's hard to put in context. Bro. We talk about economies. They don't necessarily have one. This is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny place. And they make their money off what being able to say, hey, we got this great thing and we're even going to take good care of you while you're here. Ro they hire great instructors, people with specialized skills. What I'm saying is these folks know what they're doing in Maldives when it comes to diving. So if you have someone that seemingly has gone rogue, robed, and it seems to be the case, and we're talking about a distance, it's hard to imagine they were 16 stories down. Think of that as a, a 16 story building you see somewhere. And to think they were that far
Amy Robach
down, that is so frightening. And yes, they have described CBS News as reporting that this accident occurred when it was not part of the planned research. They actually described it as this being done they said it was undertaken privately and they put that in quotes, that this was something that this team of researchers and certainly expert divers decided to go further, to go deeper, to go to an area that was not sanctioned or even, I think you could say allowed in that sense. If they have a restriction or on how deep you can go. They went beyond that and then some. It's not even close.
TJ Holmes
Yeah. This wasn't just we'll go dip down. They were so far. And again, from at least the reporting so far, it wasn't an accident to go that far. It was intentional.
Amy Robach
It's a choice.
TJ Holmes
Some of these pictures down there ropes are incredible. I mean, I don't know who captured them over the years, but they. It's stunning, it's gorgeous. But we have. You and I are in particular segment of folks who watch a lot of horror movies. We're a segment of folks who. You watch these movies where there's something cavernous, where there's people exploring new caves, new adventures and all. And you see this network down there, robes, and it looks gorgeous and it looks like something you'd want to explore and somewhere you'd want to go. But I can't imagine how dangerous this type of thing is. That deep.
Amy Robach
Yes. I mean, I would be scared of sharks, but sharks were the least of their concerns. This was called a shark cave.
TJ Holmes
Yeah.
Amy Robach
And sharks do exist there. Who knows if that maybe they were following a shark. Who knows what happened. But yeah. Isn't the movie called 47 Meters down or something? It's super scary. They were 50 meters down and look, they even say these caves, this elaborate maze of cave systems, it's easy to get lost in the caves. It's easy to get disoriented in the caves. Silt gets kicked up by predators, by even, you know, fins from the scuba divers themselves. And they say it doesn't take much to get completely disoriented just by the surroundings, let alone some of the issues that can take place when you're that deep in a cave, when you're that deep underwater.
TJ Holmes
So the rose. And so obviously, as we were explaining, like you said, that deep underwater. So how do you go about. They. I mean, they were pretty sure very early on this was a recovery mission. From the very beginning. They confirmed their deaths. They confirmed it because they were able to recover one body, that of the instructor, on the day that they all went missing. So they knew this was a recovery mission. So robes, on Thursday, they get the one body rescue or recovery starts immediately and they bring in local military Police, military, divers, and robes. Just to show how dangerous this is, we had another tragedy on top of tragedy.
Amy Robach
Yes, he suffered. One of the rescue divers ended up dying after he came back up to the surface. He died from decompression sickness. That just shows you, you have an experienced rescue diver who's going down and knows he's going down to a certain depth that is dangerous and still died when he came back up from decompression sickness. And that is why it makes total sense that this is a criminal investigation. Because when you break the rules and you go in a place or go to a place that you're not supposed to go for safety reasons, and then you either get lost, get hurt, you die, you have to be recovered. In order to do that, you now have to send other people to risk their lives. And this wasn't even a rescue mission. This was a recovery mission. So now you are putting other people's lives at risk because of your poor decision. And yes, it costs, unfortunately, those divers their lives. But now it also cost another man his life.
TJ Holmes
And I wonder, Robes, is there someone who could be held responsible at this point? Even are they are all the ones responsible for this error, for this now man's death?
Amy Robach
Did they pay the ultimate price?
TJ Holmes
Is that the end of it? I don't know. It's just such a tough one. And. But you, you have to. And Robes, you have to, don't you? As Maldives, you have to look into this. I won't say set an example, but you got to let people know you cannot do this. This is not just wrong and dangerous, it's criminal. And you might not just get yourself killed. There's a guy not going to home to his family because of decisions you make as a tourist or a researcher or whatever it is. This is an awful story.
Amy Robach
It's not just your life at stake, it's the stake of people who make their lives out of rescuing others. You know what this reminds me of, babe? So I really, a couple years ago, was hell bent and really, really, really really wanted to climb Mont Blanc. And that is one of. It's called the deadliest mountain in the world. Because there are no rules or regulations. You can go up without a guide. But here's the reason why it's the deadliest mountain in the world. Because the French government has said we ain't rescuing you. You go up in crazy conditions, you go up in wicked weather, you're on your own. We will not send our people to come rescue you. And so I hired a alpinist Company that specializes in getting people to top of Mont Blanc. We had a couple windows with weather and they said to us, sorry to disappoint you. I know this is what you paid for, and I'm sure you're going to go back and tell whatever, but we will not risk your life and most importantly, we will not risk our lives taking you up to a place where we know we can't be rescued. It's an interesting concept. And so, yes, people still do it and people die every year, but they aren't putting their local folks, their local rescue teams at risk trying to either rescue you or recover you. Your bodies stay on Mont Blanc. They don't mess with it. And when you see something like this, it's kind of similar, you have to ask, I'm sure, yes, I know the right thing to do. People want to go recover bodies. But there are places in the world that are just too dangerous and some governments have made the decision, we're not coming for you.
TJ Holmes
Well, that decision has not been made in the Maldives because the plan is to recover these bodies from this area that, quite frankly, was so dangerous that it cost them their lives. How do you get them out? Stay here. We'll explain the plan.
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Amy Robach
Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ where there is massive planning underway now alongside a potential criminal investigation as the country of Maldives is trying to get a plan together to recover the bodies of four Italian divers. They were instructor, excuse me, they were researchers. These weren't just tourists who got in over their head. These were experienced divers who went, it seems like to a depth into an area that they shouldn't have and they cost. It cost them their lives. But now you have this added serious situation where you've got now other experienced divers having to risk their own lives to go down into this massive cave system and try to recover the bodies of these researchers who died at 160ft below.
TJ Holmes
And the danger isn't over Robes. It makes crazy that these folks are putting their lives on the line now to recover bodies and give families peace. Right. But this is extremely dangerous stuff, Robes. You already mentioned that one person had been killed. Robes. We talk about the criminal investigation. Weather is a part of that too.
Amy Robach
Yes.
TJ Holmes
I didn't realize. It's not just that you went down too deep. You might have gone. They might have gone at a time they shouldn't have been out there in the first place.
Amy Robach
Correct.
TJ Holmes
Oh, this is just, you know, there's nothing worse, right, than a preventative, preventable tragedy. There are rules in place for a reason. Now, I should say this ropes. They don't know the cause before we say go any farther. But there is, I shouldn't even say speculation. There are educated guesses about what they think happened, but at this point, they don't know what happened down there, what sickness might have gotten to them. If anything else happened, we don't know. But robes I thought was fascinating. They found them. They have all this specialized equipment. Where are these? Finland, right?
Amy Robach
Yes.
TJ Holmes
They brought these divers in from. They had to fly people in. This is some. There are few people on earth who are qualified to do this kind of work. They bring them in and how. They said they found them in the cave. They were clustered all together.
Amy Robach
They were together.
TJ Holmes
They were all together.
Amy Robach
You know, I went and looked up. It was just fascinating what happens to your body at 160ft underwater. And they talk about nitrogen narcosis, and we don't know this is how they died. But this is a very plausible explanation. But they call it the martini effect. So if you're that deep, the pressure of the water causes nitrogen. The pressure of the nitrogen and the what causes it to rapidly dissolve in your bloodstream. And it has an intoxicating, they say, a narcotic effect, like a martini. Like you're drunk, you can't make good decisions. And you actually, you actually experience increased or severe euphoria, delayed reaction times, dizziness. And that again, reminds me of what they call summit fever. You've got whatever, whether it's altitude or water pressure from that below, but you have a pressure on your brain that causes it not to function as it normally would. So you're not using logic, you're not using reason. You're actually getting drunk, so to speak, on the experience. And so people will try to go up to the summit of Everest or wherever and not even realize that their body is failing them because they get this euphoric feeling. And they say that actually happens at those depths you get confused, but also just incredibly euphoric and you don't realize. And they say if you're a trained diver, you know those signs. And when you start to feel euphoric, you realize, oh no, that means I need to start ascending. And by the way, you can't ascend too quickly because then you get the bends. So there's a lung compression that actually happens if you go up too fast and that can kill you. So this is so, I mean this is left people who go even to a hundred feet, you have to be so qualified and so experienced just to do that. To think that they were at 160ft is. I mean dangerous isn't even the word.
TJ Holmes
So now you have these specialty divers. The plan is now robes to bring up two bodies tomorrow, bring up the other two the day after. Now they did use as far as I saw some, some machinery, some two, but that was as far as cameras go to identify things. But I haven't seen anywhere robes that any of the equipment is able to collect an object and bring it back up. That's not what we're talking about. Right.
Amy Robach
I have no concept of how they're going to do what they're doing and to do it safely like that. Can they assure? Can they. I don't think they can ensure that those divers are safe.
TJ Holmes
This is. But they're using. I hadn't heard of it, but it makes sense now. To be honest with you, I had no idea this existed. A rebreather closed circuit scuba system where it actually takes the air you're breathing and the carbon dioxide that you put out and it's able to recycle and make new oxygen for you while you're down there. It does this and able to do this. So you could do what? Stay underwater longer.
Amy Robach
Wow. Which look. And they said if you're at this deep of a, of a. I mean if you're in this kind of depth, you run through your oxygen so fast, this is terrifying. Like they say, within 20 minutes it's gone. And so if you're feeling this euphoric high. Woo. Look what we're seeing. Oh, look at that. You don't realize how much time has gone by. Even someone who's experienced and you run out of oxygen.
TJ Holmes
So they don't know yet if that's might have been what happened to them. But robed. I know it takes a long time to get down there and it takes even longer to get back up. No matter what you see on the movies where somebody's in trouble and they hit the tank right quick and they get shot up. No, you cannot.
Amy Robach
That will kill you. That will kill you.
TJ Holmes
So this is robes. I cannot imagine. The tragedy is one thing, but now you have to be on the edge of your seat every day waiting for word that these divers, now, God bless them for doing this work, and they are, they are literally doing this ropes not to save life, but to give comfort to families. And that's important, too. But they are risking their lives now not to save life.
Amy Robach
Wow.
TJ Holmes
And that says a lot about these people.
Amy Robach
It certainly does. And look, among the group that was, that died, it was a mother and a daughter. That was especially sad to me. Both researchers, both dedicated their lives to studying these cave systems and studying this underworld underwater world that so few of us will ever see or know. So they were doing. They, you know, look, I don't know if they did it for the thrill of it at the end to go deeper. And we won't know what motivated them. I mean, I don't know what answers they'll be able to get from the bodies themselves. But the folks who made that decision all paid with their lives. And just to know that a mother and a daughter were there together, that's just, it's, it's extra sad. I mean, it's all, it's all tragic. But that, that hit home.
TJ Holmes
But we will have some updates. We anticipate maybe as early as the morning, but certainly tomorrow. But the plan is pull up two bodies tomorrow and then to the day after that. Just wanted to give you an update on a story of international interest, concern and sympathy right now. As always, we appreciate you spending some time here with us from our dear Amy Robach. I'm TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.
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Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
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Episode Date: May 18, 2026
In this gripping episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes discuss the developing story of a diving tragedy in the Maldives that has now escalated to a criminal investigation. Six people—a group of experienced Italian researchers and their instructor, plus a rescue diver—lost their lives during a deep cave diving expedition. The hosts break down the context of the incident, the risks involved, the procedural failings, and the far-reaching implications for safety, responsibility, and international tourism.
On Intentional Rule-Breaking
“This wasn't just... we'll go dip down. They were so far. And... it wasn't an accident to go that far. It was intentional.”
— TJ Holmes [08:25]
On the Limits of Rescue
“There are places in the world that are just too dangerous and some governments have made the decision, 'We're not coming for you.'”
— Amy Robach [13:34]
On the Tragedy of Preventable Accidents
“There's nothing worse... than a preventable tragedy. There are rules in place for a reason.”
— TJ Holmes [18:44]
On the Emotional Toll
“It’s not just your life at stake, it’s the stake of people who make their lives out of rescuing others.”
— Amy Robach [12:26]
Amy and TJ provide a clear-eyed, empathetic, and dramatically detailed account of a tragedy that is both personal and systemic. The episode delves into technical, ethical, and emotional layers—raising hard questions about risk, responsibility, and the costs of exploration. With criminal charges looming and unresolved dangers for recovery teams, the final takeaways are sobering: adventure and expertise do not override natural laws and established safety boundaries.
As they anticipate more updates—such as the scheduled recovery of the victims’ bodies—the hosts urge respect for both the peril faced by rescuers and the necessity of protocols in extreme environments.