Acquitted Uvalde Officer Speaks:  He Has “No Regrets”

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode: Acquitted Uvalde Officer Speaks: He Has “No Regrets”
Air Date: January 23, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally charged episode, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes discuss the first public interview given by Adrian Gonzalez, the former Uvalde police officer acquitted of 29 counts of child endangerment for his role during the tragic Robb Elementary School shooting. The hosts analyze Gonzalez's defiant tone, his justifications, and the community’s—and their own—divided reactions to his defense and lack of expressed regret.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction: The Acquittal and Its Aftermath

• The episode focuses on Gonzalez’s post-trial interview, where he shares his perspective for the first time since the not-guilty verdict.
• Both hosts acknowledge the high emotion and sensitivity around the case, which saw the deaths of 19 children and two teachers due to the delayed law enforcement response.
• Gonzalez is described as stoic and defiant in defending his decisions, often flanked by his attorneys who did most of the speaking in the interview.
• "He got emotional at the end. And look, there are some parts that your heart, you're in conflict with this guy..." (TJ Holmes, 03:24)

The Critical Question: Failure or Crime?

• Holmes and Robach explore the line between professional failure and criminality in high-stakes professions like policing and medicine.
  • "We kept saying, is that a crime because he failed or he performed poorly? ... He should be fired. But does he need to go to prison?" (TJ Holmes, 05:21)
• Robach points out that the prosecution focused on Gonzalez’s “inaction” despite being one of the first officers on scene.

Gonzalez’s Defense: Following Orders and Having “No Regrets”

• Gonzalez’s main defense: He entered the building but retreated upon direct orders from his chief.
  • "I did the best that I could with the information I was getting. I don't regret it because I took an order from my chief at that time." (Gonzalez, via Robach, 06:26)
• The hosts dissect the difficulty of hearing someone involved in such a tragedy declare “no regrets.”
  • “That's difficult for parents to hear. That's difficult for a community to hear…” (TJ Holmes, 06:52)
• The lack of remorse and reflection is universally highlighted as troubling, especially for grieving families.

On Being the Scapegoat

• Discussion about how Gonzalez became the public face of failure, intensifying scrutiny and anger toward him.
• Robach references her own early coverage from the scene in Uvalde and personal witness to families’ outrage.
  • “I was there, I believe, within a day of the shooting, and angry parents were talking to anyone that they could about the police officer's decision not to go inside, to not confront that shooter.” (Amy Robach, 07:40)
• They also critique the shift of blame, with Gonzalez’s attorneys arguing prosecutors manufactured the narrative targeting him.

Humanity, Remorse, and Missed Opportunities

• The hosts critique Gonzalez’s chance—and failure—to show empathy, especially when pressed for statements to the victims’ families:
  • “Whatever I say to them, meaning the families, I know it's not going to ease their pain, but they're always in my prayers, you know, so they can start healing.” (Gonzalez, via Robach, 11:29)
  • “You needed a human moment there.” (Amy Robach, 13:46)
• Holmes notes Gonzalez expressed emotion only regarding his own personal toll, not specifically about the children lost.

Legal and Civil Consequences

• Discussion on whether Gonzalez faces further civil liability or is protected by police indemnification.
• The hosts wonder about his future, personal and public, even with acquittal: “He is the one, this is the guy who, folks, they respond. So again, I... my heart goes out to him...” (TJ Holmes, 10:59)

Comparing Chief & Officer Responsibility

• The upcoming trial of Pete Arredondo, the former Uvalde school police chief, is discussed.
• Gonzalez claims to speak with Arredondo daily and asserts his innocence while effectively placing responsibility on his former superior (“I don't regret it because I followed an order.”).

Personal History and Extra Disappointment

• New details emerge: Gonzalez was a teacher for 18 years before becoming a police officer.
  • Robach describes how this revelation adds to the disappointment, given his first-hand understanding of the vulnerability of children in schools.

The Parents’ Pain and Public Healing

• The hosts return to the lasting pain for families, and how neither trials nor interviews have brought needed closure or healing.
  • “The families seem like they're getting victimized all over again.” (TJ Holmes, 23:09)
• They reflect on the inability of the criminal system to deliver justice or comfort in such tragedies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the difficulty of hearing Gonzalez’s defense:
  • “You can sit here and tell me all you want about what I would have done or what you would have done. Until you're in that mix, you can't tell me anything.” (Gonzalez, via Robach, 05:01)
• On regret and responsibility:
  • “That's difficult for parents to hear. That's difficult for a community to hear, for a country to hear. ... You don't wish you could have saved one of them by doing something different?” (TJ Holmes, 06:52)
• On public empathy and missed opportunities:
  • “You needed a human moment there... Just something to let the parents know that you feel ... bad about what happened and your role in it.” (Amy Robach, 13:46 & 19:50)
• On the scapegoating and media naming:
  • “I cannot tell you the name of the shooter because we don't say it, but I can tell you the name of Officer Adrian Gonzalez. That's interesting.” (Amy Robach, 09:28)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:51] – Show opens with the episode’s premise and emotional level
• [03:24] – Initial reactions to Gonzalez’s interview
• [05:01] – Gonzalez’s self-defense and “no regrets” statement
• [06:26] – Direct quote on following orders from his chief
• [07:40] – Robach's first-hand recollection of parents' anger
• [09:34] – Discussion on scapegoating and naming in the media
• [10:59] – Holmes on personal vs. public hell for Gonzalez
• [11:29] – Discussion of Gonzalez’s incomplete message to families
• [13:46] – Hosts urge for a ‘human moment’ from Gonzalez
• [17:34] – Second segment: the impact on Gonzalez and his family
• [19:03] – Holmes critique: “He won’t admit that.”
• [22:13] – Gonzalez’s background as a teacher and its compounding effect
• [23:34] – Hosts reflect on victims’ families and forthcoming trial for the chief

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The tone throughout is raw, empathetic, and questioning—a mixture of frustration, disbelief, and compassion. Amy and TJ challenge official narratives and legal justifications, ultimately centering the lasting pain and need for healing among victims’ families. They call out missed opportunities for Gonzalez to show remorse and the complex realities faced by public officials—and the communities they serve—in the aftermath of unimaginable tragedy.

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Useful for listeners seeking:

• Insight into the legal and ethical debates after mass shootings
• The personal and public fallout for law enforcement
• Honest, empathetic conversation about trauma, accountability, and healing after tragedy

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there, everybody. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. It is Friday, January 23rd, and we are hearing for very first time that acquitted Uvalde police officer after he received a not guilty verdict on those 29 counts of child endangerment for his role as he was called to the scene of the Robb Elementary School massacre. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for being here. He was very, very emotional in this interview.

[TJ Holmes]

Ah, you know what? It came late. I don't know how they edited this thing, but I was expecting to hear more from him. He's sitting there flanked by his attorneys, and they did most of the talking, quite frankly. And he's defiant. He's defending himself. He got emotional at the end. And look, there are some parts that your heart, you're in conflict with this.

[Amy Robach]

Guy because he does stand by his actions. And when I say actions, a lot of people would say his inaction that day because prosecutors, and obviously they pursued these charges against him because they said it was his inaction on that day that contributed to the deaths of 19 children and two teachers. A jury disagreed with that. But we all, I think, at this point, know the story. It took law enforcement 77 minutes to ultimately confront that gunman. And Gonzalez was the first, if not one of the first officers on the scene that day. And by most accounts, people who were there. He was on the scene before, before the gunman actually went into Robb Elementary School. And that is one of the main reasons prosecutors pursued those charges against him. But Gonzalez. Defiant is a good word, that he was defiant in this interview.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, defending himself, maybe I should say, because defiant almost sounds negative. But he has been the public face of a tragedy. To a certain degree, it's his fault he did it. I cannot imagine what his life has been like the past several years. So to a certain degree, he sounded pissed. And that's legitimate.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And that's fair. His, his quote was, you can sit here and tell me all you want about what I would have done or what you would have done. Until you're in that mix, you can't tell me anything. I agree with that and I hear that, and I do agree with that. But other people would say, but you're a police officer who's been trained to handle this exact situation.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, so he. He's not. He wasn't good at his job. But it. We kept saying, is that a crime because he failed or he performed poorly. We all have performed poorly at some point, at some day. Had a bad day at work and he had a bad day on the worst day. He should be fired. But does he need to go to prison? I. I don't know where the line is from a legal standpoint.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. You know, you think about it. Police officers, emergency workers, and maybe doctors, surgeons, physicians. Those are people where decisions they make on the job literally can result in life or death. There are significant consequences for folks who work in those industries day in and day out.

[TJ Holmes]

They call it malpractice. Right. Practice. But how often are doctors going to jail for killing somebody? Right. How often are they going to jail? Right. I know what you're saying. That absolutely is out there. That absolutely happens. I don't. I don't. I just don't know the answer legally. But you can't tell me. And I hear what he's saying. I have a difficult time listening to him say he doesn't wish he did something different that day.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

So he did say. And I'll get into the exact quote here, because, look, he claims that he did go inside the school building, but that he retreated because he says he received a direct order from his commanding officer. So here is his quote. I did the best that I could with the information I was getting. I don't regret it because I took an order from my chief at that time.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. That's. That's difficult for parents to hear. That's difficult for community to hear, for a country to hear. He's. That. That one's tough. 19 kids are dead and you were the first one there. And you don't wish you could have saved one of them by doing something different. That's.

[Amy Robach]

Do you.

[TJ Holmes]

That's tough.

[Amy Robach]

He was tough to hear. It's very tough to hear. For the two of us who don't have children who were in that school at that time. Yes. If I heard that and I were a parent of one of those kids, that sentence alone could send me. Yeah. Over the edge.

[TJ Holmes]

That's a good way to put it. That. That could. That would be the one that brings it all back to a certain degree. That's. That's tough. I don't know. And you. I didn't. I fast forward frankly through the parts that his attorney speaking. Did you listen to that stuff?

[Amy Robach]

I do. I didn't know.

[TJ Holmes]

They ever try to cut him off or say, you're saying the wrong thing. I didn't know what their interaction was.

[Amy Robach]

Well, obviously, we got an edited version. Right. I didn't see the. I didn't see the. The actual full interview, but I can say that their attorney just basically tried to turn the tables and say, this is all the prosecutor's fault. They created this narrative, they created this anger that should never have been directed at Adrian Gonzalez, which I kind of disagree with, because having been on a scene there in Uvalde, I saw the parents anger firsthand at the police officers in real time. I was there, I believe, within a day of the shooting, and angry parents were talking to anyone that they could about the police officer's decision not to go inside, to not confront that shooter.

[TJ Holmes]

How soon, though, did he become the face. I can't remember how soon his name and this story started getting out because he said he is now the. It was intentional. He was their scapegoat.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Here he is, everybody. This is the guy to be mad at.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. I don't know the timeline, but his attorney said the injustice was in starting by telling the family that Adrian was responsible because he was not. The jury determined he was not. They came to the correct verdict, but of course, the families don't feel that was correct. That's because he says they were told something different. So they're. They're blaming the charges, they're blaming prosecutors for all of the anger to be directed at Officer Gonzalez. And to a degree, I understand that, because he was. He is the name you now associate. The truth is, as journalists, we have shied away from and really stopped putting out the shooter's name because we don't want to glorify. We don't want to incentivize any troubled person to say, ooh, well, if I go out this way, my name will live in infamy. I was on the scene, covered this shooting for days. I cannot tell you the name of the shooter because we don't say it, but I can tell you the name of Officer Adrian Gonzalez. That's interesting.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean, it's. Yeah. I mean, this is. I don't know the chief's name. Maybe I'll start to remember that name later. He's going to be tried as well, the former Uvalde School police chief, but Adrian Gonzalez will have to. I think. I'm not sure which is worse, the personal hell or the public hell, because Listening to him today, he got emotional. Yes. At the end, talking about the personal told and not being able to go home and all that stuff you'll mention in a moment. But Rome, it's, it's, you have got to, from a personal standpoint, it has got to be difficult to live with what he has to live with. It didn't come off that way in the interview.

[Amy Robach]

See, I hear you because, and that was the problem with the, the I don't regret it part. I'm curious what you think he, you mentioned he was flanked by both of his lawyers. Right. He has to be concerned about civil lawsuits, obviously. So does he sort of to protect himself legally or even maybe financially, does he have to double down and say I don't regret it because I followed an order.

[TJ Holmes]

Can I ask, is there, isn't there something indemnifies police officers for being sued civilly?

[Amy Robach]

Oh, you know what, that very well. I know there is some sort of civil thing in the works, but I don't know. There's a civil lawsuit, but I don't know if it's against the police department itself. You're right. Maybe not individual officers.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. I don't know if he can, I don't know what he's facing moving forward other than for the rest of his life being the public face and the public blame. He is the one, this is the guy who, folks, they respond. So again, I, I, I, my heart goes out to him for what he has to deal with personally and publicly. But listening to him today was, was tough to hear. Like I didn't hear remorse, pain for the kids.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

I heard it for what he is dealing with now. That makes sense.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Because, and look it even it, it kind of reads from what he said. As soon as that not guilty verdict was read, he was asked almost immediately by reporters, do you have anything to say to the families? That would have been an opportunity. That would have been an opportunity to say something. He said, no, not at this moment. And then when he was asked again in this sit down interview, he, this is what he said. And this fell a little, a lot short for me. He said, whatever I say to them, meaning the families, I know it's not going to ease their pain, but they're always in my prayers, you know, so they can start healing. I would have liked to hear something more.

[TJ Holmes]

Look, I, it's, it's tough to sit and we can have an impression of we don't know this guy and so can't judge him for the answers and how he gave Them. But just if somebody. I think the. You said it the best. If you're a parent and you heard some of this, man, if you had anger at this guy before and then after the verdict and then after this interview, you gotta be human at some of the stuff he said.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And he was even kind of saying, it's not fair. It's not fair. And it might not have been fair and it might be completely unfair that he was singled out. But just to hear him say it, after everything these families had been through, he said, when the video started playing, I realized they handpicked me. They had an excuse for everybody else. They did this, they did that. You know, but I had to do this. I had to do that. So he, he was playing the victim. And look, he very well may be in this. He may have been the one who was victimized, legally, unfairly. That's not for me to say. But it doesn't sound great to be complaining when so many people have lost the unthinkable.

[TJ Holmes]

And again, I, I take him at his word for what he's gone through. Your heart goes out to him again for what he has to do with. Publicly and privately. But robes, he has an opportunity here.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly.

[TJ Holmes]

There's a PR problem he thinks he has. You didn't help it. It just the. I know he spoke for a moment about loving kids and always wanted to work with kids and, and that came off. But to. To. When. When asked when you. You got an opportunity here to speak to these parents, man, how could you just not.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, I'm devastated. I go to bed each night seeing their little faces and it, it haunts me and whatever it is. But just. Yeah, you needed a human moment there where you wanted to say a human moment.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

You relate to him and you relate to his pain and he didn't give anyone that. So when we come back, you mentioned he got emotional at the end. We'll talk about how he's feeling since that acquittal and how he says he is now preparing for the next battle.

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Welcome back, everyone, to this episode of Amy and tj. We are talking about the Uvalde police officer, the former officer who was acquitted this week on 29 counts of child endangerment for what prosecutors said was inaction, his inaction at the Robb Elementary School nearly four years ago. And the big headline was that he said on microphone, looking back after everything, he has no regrets. He said he took an order from his chief at the time and he doesn't regret his actions. It was a tough thing to hear and he said it fairly stoically, flanked by his attorneys. But he did get emotional towards the end of the interview when he talked about the personal toll this has taken on him and his family. He says he can never return to Uvalde. And Uvalde is where he was born, where he was raised and where he worked. And he said this through a lot of emotion. And this is the part where he got emotional and he said, this is a struggle for me, for my family, you know, to get up and leave. It's hard. Did your heart go out to him in that moment?

[TJ Holmes]

It. From the moment the shooting happened? He did. I, I've not had a moment of anger necessarily. I want to direct towards him. Disappointment, disappointment in some of this interview and all. But he's a human being and he messed up and people died and that's.

[Amy Robach]

But he won't admit that.

[TJ Holmes]

He, he won't. Okay. He's not suggesting any responsibility is one thing, but to not even say, man, I thought to myself, if maybe I'd have done this or maybe I'd have gone here or maybe if I would have refused that order or maybe if I just would have run. I think so many times of what I could have done differently to save one little buckaroo.

[Amy Robach]

That would have been everything.

[TJ Holmes]

Give me something.

[Amy Robach]

That would have been everything to parents to hear that did it.

[TJ Holmes]

It's my training. I couldn't see around the building. I never saw the guy. I saw this woman frantic. They sounded like excuses. And that doesn't help anybody heal. If you're not going to get a guilty verdict, give them something.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, just say I'm tortured thinking about what I should have done, what I could have done. And it keeps me up at night. Just something to let the parents know that you feel, you, you, you feel, you feel bad about what happened in Your role in it.

[TJ Holmes]

Maybe he's done that privately in some private messages. I don't know if they want to hear from this guy, but maybe we're saying it here, and maybe it's taking.

[Amy Robach]

Place somewhere else, perhaps, but the family members who showed up in court didn't seem to have any warm feelings towards him at all. Now, he did say in this interview that this was the first of two battles, and he said, we're gonna win. The second one. He's talking about now, these charges that are, that have been filed against that chief, the former chief, Pete Arredondo. And he said that he talks with him every single day and he believes he is innocent. Now, the chief has been charged with 10 counts of child endangerment. I don't know how they came up with these different numbers for his response to the shooting. There's no trial date that's been set. But I, I go back to his no regret statement because he said, I did the best I could with the information I was getting. I don't regret it because I took an order from my chief. Didn't he just throw the chief under the bus with that statement right there?

[TJ Holmes]

I haven't heard the chief thing throughout this story. Maybe I've just overlooked it, but it's.

[Amy Robach]

The first I heard it. And I kept thinking it was interesting that he then went on to say that he doesn't think the chief did anything wrong. He thinks the chief is innocent. He speaks with the chief every day. But he, in that statement, literally blamed.

[TJ Holmes]

Him for his own sight at the time. Was he? But yeah, he's saying, somebody else told me not to do anything.

[Amy Robach]

I, I, I, I think that's interesting. Now, we also learned a little bit about who he is. 52 years old, and you, you talked a little bit about this, but he talked about working as a school police officer after a decade with the Uvalde Police Department. But before that, I didn't realize this. He spent 18 years as a teacher. For whatever reason. That makes what happened feel even worse, like he knew what it was like to be in those classrooms, unarmed, unprepared, with that responsibility of those children in your classroom, trying to protect them. It feels like, wow, had I known he was a teacher for 18 years before he became a police officer, that, that feels extra disappointing.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, it feels like he should have stayed in the classroom, that maybe he wasn't cut out to be a police officer. Maybe if he was in a classroom and the shooting happened, he could have saved more lives in that mindset. There was something that as a police officer, he didn't put himself in harm's way or first, as the prosecution was arguing. You cannot. There is zero chance, Robes, I could predict what I would do in that situation. But what I can tell you is that as a parent, I can tell you what I would do because I would do exactly what those other parents did. Were had to physically be restrained to keep from going in there to save their kids. And the guy with the gun didn't go.

[Amy Robach]

And you wonder if Adrian Gonzalez had a child in there, if he would have acted differently.

[TJ Holmes]

The ifs and this and that. Now it's just your, your heart does go out to him. You want to reserve room for that. Don't know him personally at all and, and really listening to him talk about kids and being a teacher sounded like a good dude. Yeah, it really does. So this is just awful. And the families seem like they're getting victimized all over again. So this is just awful. But yeah, the other trial is coming, so they're going to have to go through this.

[Amy Robach]

They're going to. They're going to have to go through this one more time. But you know, just seeing how these other trials have happened, from the Parkland trial to now this Uvalde trial, there hasn't been any closure for these families where they feel like they got some justice because of the lack of protection, perhaps we could say for their. We will see what happens when the chief goes to trial and as soon as we have that trial date. Any new information on this, of course we'll bring it to you. But in the meantime, thank you so much for listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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