An Arrest in The Guthrie Case, But He's Not A Kidnapper

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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)

Episode: "An Arrest in The Guthrie Case, But He's Not A Kidnapper"

Date: February 6, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

The episode provides a critical update on the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, a case that has gripped the nation. Hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes discuss the latest developments, including an arrest connected to the case (but not for kidnapping), evolving theories, family statements, and law enforcement actions. The duo breaks down the shifting narrative around possible ransom, delves into the timeline released by police, and examines public scrutiny of prominent law enforcement figures tied to the investigation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Widespread Public Interest

• Hosts note that the Nancy Guthrie case dominates conversations, even in social settings unrelated to news (e.g. Super Bowl events in San Francisco).
  • "It was absolutely the talk of the party." (Amy, 03:52)
  • Shows the unprecedented national attention and the emotional investment in the story.

2. The Arrest: Not A Kidnapper, But an Imposter

• A man is arrested for attempting to extort the Guthrie family, seizing an opportunity amid chaos.
  • The imposter obtained family contact info and sent a Bitcoin ransom demand after the family publicly pleaded for communication with the potential kidnapper.
  • "This wasn't a ransom note. This was a ransom demand that came in via text... Isn't it wild that someone... saw an opportunity?" (T.J., 06:07)
  • Name mentioned: Derek Kaya, a young man (27/30), charged criminally. (Amy & T.J., 06:21–06:35)
• Both hosts emphasize the cruelty and opportunistic nature of the crime.
  • "I hope they throw the book at him." (Amy, 06:21)

3. Family's Plea and Shifting Theories About Kidnapping & Ransom

• A new, brief video from Savannah Guthrie's brother, Cameron, re-frames the situation.
  • The family doubts they've ever actually heard from the real kidnapper.
  • "His video said to me more than anything, maybe they don't believe a ransom has anything to do with this." (T.J., 07:09)
• Quote from Cameron’s video:
  • "We want to hear from you. We haven't heard anything directly. We want you to reach out. We need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward. But first, we have to know that you have our mom." (T.J., 07:56)
  • The family is now asking for proof of life, as technological advances make faking communication easier.
• Discussion questions the validity of ransom as a motive:
  • Law enforcement points out the lack of real engagement and follow-up from any credible kidnapper.
  • "If there is a demand for money, you want your money. You're not sitting around for a week not engaging. This is just not a ransom." (T.J., 09:07)

4. Timeline of Nancy Guthrie’s Disappearance

• Police have issued a detailed timeline aligning with digital footprints and witness accounts:
  • Nancy is dropped off by a single family member (who isn’t specified) at home after dinner and card games at 9:48pm (garage door opens), 9:50pm (garage closes). (Amy & T.J., 11:01–11:43)
  • At 1:47am, her doorbell camera disconnects. At 2:12am, the porch camera detects motion (unsure if animal or human, footage not saved). At 2:28am, her pacemaker disconnects from its app. (Amy & T.J., 11:43–12:28)
  • "Those two things seem like they are connected." (Amy, 12:28)
• The evidence suggests she was alive at least until 2:28am.
  • "That would suggest she was alive at 2:28am and that’s the last bit of information we have about her condition." (Amy, 13:06)

5. Blood Evidence & Gravity of the Crime

• Police confirm that blood seen on the front porch belongs to Nancy Guthrie.
  • "We’re not talking about a couple of specks that you have to look closely for. This is someone who had a significant injury and was bleeding." (T.J., 14:19)

6. The FBI Director Controversy

• Controversy surrounds whether FBI Director Cash Patel is inserting himself into the investigation.
  • Conflicting statements about Patel’s involvement; the local FBI agent (Heath Janke) insists Patel’s Tucson visit is unrelated.
  • "He does have a trip scheduled to Tucson that was pre-scheduled before this. But he is receiving consistent and constant updates from our team here." (Amy, 15:49)
  • Former law enforcement criticize Patel as a "distraction" who prefers high-profile cases.
  • "He inserts himself into high profile cases and actually takes away from the important police work we’re doing because he serves ultimately as a distraction." (Amy, 16:28)
  • Discussion on the need for multiple sources when Patel makes public statements due to past inaccuracies.

7. Reward for Information

• The reward increases from $2,500 to $50,000 in response to public pressure.
  • "People made a lot of comments and directed them at Savannah, as if Savannah had anything to do with the reward money... that is Crime stoppers. That is the police, that is the local resources." (Amy, 19:10)
  • Caution against large personal/family rewards to avoid incentivizing future crimes.

8. Public & Investigative Fatigue

• No further press conferences unless there’s new information; authorities under heavy scrutiny.
  • "He said there's no point in us or me getting up here and just going over the same information. And that does make sense." (Amy, 21:13)
  • Both hosts express empathy for the stress authorities and the family are under.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the case dominating the national conversation:

  • "You’d think folks would be talking about sports... Each group of people we talked to was all about missing Nancy Guthrie." (Amy, 03:52)

• On the ethics of opportunistic crime:

  • "We're looking at it as a tragedy. Somebody actually looked... wow, there's an opportunity." (T.J., 06:07)
  • "I hope they throw the book at him." (Amy, 06:21)

• On the family’s plea and proof of life:

  • "We want to hear from you. We haven't heard anything directly... we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward. But first we have to know that you have our mom." (Cameron Guthrie, via T.J., 07:56)

• On the implausibility of the ransom theory:

  • "If there is a demand for money, you want your money. You're not sitting around for a week not engaging." (T.J., 09:07)

• On the odd series of evidence:

  • "Tough to say those oddities are not related." (T.J., 12:44)
  • "You’ve got to believe just from a common sense standpoint that those are all related. And that is when she was taken." (Amy, 13:06)

• On the eye-popping nature of the blood evidence:

  • "This is someone who had a significant injury and was bleeding... that is her blood." (T.J., 14:19)

• On skepticism toward law enforcement leadership's involvement:

  • "[Cash Patel] inserts himself into high profile cases and actually takes away from the important police work that we're doing... he serves ultimately as a distraction." (Amy, 16:28)
  • "We can’t trust him on this case." (T.J., 17:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:22] - Case Update Introduction, National Attention
• [05:24] - Arrest of Imposter for Extortion
• [07:09] - Family Video Plea, Doubts About Ransom
• [10:27] - Police Timeline, Digital Footprints
• [13:34] - Blood Evidence Confirmed
• [15:23] - FBI Director Cash Patel Controversy
• [19:10] - Reward Increased, Public Response
• [21:05] - Press Conference and Public Fatigue

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Tone & Language

The discussion moves between incredulity, empathy, and gravity, matching the serious and evolving nature of the story. There's a mix of journalistic skepticism (especially when analyzing the ransom theory and law enforcement communication issues) and down-to-earth concern, as the hosts often imagine the feelings and struggles of the Guthrie family.

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Overall Takeaway

This episode paints a picture of a fast-evolving, confounding case where public, media, and law enforcement perspectives are shifting rapidly. The Nancy Guthrie case is no longer simply a suspected kidnapping for ransom—there are darker, more baffling layers. Misinformation, opportunistic criminality, and heightened scrutiny on law enforcement all combine to heighten the anxiety and urgency around resolving this national mystery.

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[T.J. Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Friday, February 6th, and we want to get to to write to a number of significant updates in the country that is in this story that's captivating the country the search for Nancy Guthrie. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. There is a list of updates we need to get to. And again, we have been doing several updates robes on this story and we're traveling right now. And we were out with a group last night, a big crowd of folks. And was it not the first thing everything everybody said to us when we they came up to us?

[Amy Robach]

It was absolutely the talk of the party. We were there. We're here in San Francisco for the Super Bowl. And so, yeah, lots of folks you'd think would be talking about sports and talking about the parties that they got invited to or how they're covering. No, the conversation from each group of people we talked to was all about missing Nancy Guthrie.

[T.J. Holmes]

It wasn't just a quick question. I mean, they had questions for us. I know we're covering it. But robes extended conversations. We only mention this to say ropes. These are conversations obviously, that are going on everywhere. This is such a mystery. And now here we are, almost a full week since someone has seen this woman and the mystery continues. The updates we want to get you get to you are several. First of all, there has been an arrest, but not in the case of her abduction hoax ransom notes. We were worried about this. We'll get into that. Also still saying no suspects. Also, we got a an update on that blood, the pictures you've been seeing of the blood on the front porch of her home. Update about that. Also, they passed along to us a deadline Robes. At least one in one of these ransom notes has come and gone. There's an update about Cash Patel, the FBI director getting out there and we got an update on the timeline. I'm not even sure which one of these things stands out, but let's start with I guess the arrest Robes we Were worried something like this might happen. There might be more. But they have arrested a California man for trying to. In the middle of this tragedy. Robes trying to extort cash from this family.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And the interesting thing is this is not police separated. This isn't the ransom note that we heard about specifically given to the local affiliate and then to tmz. This actually police say came after. Correct. The Guthrie siblings went and made that plea for the would be abductor to contact them so that they could start talking. So this imposter took that opportunity and found, I believe the cell phone numbers of Savannah's sister and brother in law and found some of their personal information and reached out to them and demanded money through bitcoin.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's a good way to. This wasn't a ransom note. This was a ransom demand that came in via text. It seems like you said the word opportunity. Isn't it wild that someone. We're looking at it as a tragedy. Somebody actually looked. Wow. There's an opportunity for be here.

[Amy Robach]

And I hope they throw the book at him. He has been charged criminally. Thank goodness. And he should be. Derek, I think it's Kaya.

[T.J. Holmes]

What was his age again? But he's 27, 30. Fairly young.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Young, young man.

[T.J. Holmes]

But yes, he has been charged. So that arrest has taken place. Another update we want to give you is that. And this is maybe the most important one. Robes and I kind of glanced over this one is that there is another plea from the family. Forgot to mention the brother of Savannah Guthrie. Another video has come out. His was much shorter, but Robes, I think this one was pretty significant in what he was saying. He's essentially saying, we actually don't believe we have talked or heard from the actual kidnapper. Wrote his video said to me more than anything, maybe they don't believe a ransom has anything to do with this.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, they. It's.

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[Amy Robach]

It was a short 21 seconds. Yes, 21 seconds. Savannah posted it onto her Instagram. It was her brother Cameron. And it was notable in that he. It seems as though it was timed to coincide with that first deadline from one of the ransom notes. The police told us that There was a 5pm local Thursday deadline. And that's exactly when Savannah posted this message from her brother onto her social media. So it was 7pm East coast time, 5pm Mountain time. And I. That's not coincidental. That was deliberate. They were like, this is basically, you know, they were honoring this deadline that was put into this ransom note saying, please let us know what you want talk to us.

[T.J. Holmes]

And his quote here again, it was only 21 seconds, no backdrop, standing against, I think just a plain white wall in a corner said, we want to hear from you. We haven't heard anything directly. We want you to reach out. We need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward. But first we have to know that you have our mom. We want to talk to you, and we are waiting for contact. Robes, they can't entertain all of this shit because obviously now already someone has come out and they know is trying to fool them. So now they're begging for confirmation, a proof of life. And in today's technology, that's harder to do.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And, and I just, I, I, you look at it and typically you would think, not that there's a typical kidnapping situation, but I would just believe most of us using common sense would think that the pleading or the communication would be coming from the other side, that they would be making demands, they would be reaching out, they would be getting specific. And so to have not heard from them after these ransom notes showed up doesn't give a lot of faith into that concept or into that theory that that may be what is going on.

[T.J. Holmes]

So the fd, one of the FBI guys was up at the press conference yesterday and he said it best in Robes. It was, I mean, it was jarring to hear him say it. It's common sense. But if there is a demand for money, you want your money. You're not sitting around for a week not engaging. You want your money. This is just not a ransom. He said it in such a way that make you go, okay, of course this isn't a ransom situation.

[Amy Robach]

Right. And look, it's not like, oh, I just want to spend a few more moments with 84 year old Nancy Guthrie, who needs medication, who needs constant care. That's not something that would be advantageous for a kidnapped or to be experiencing. So he would want to, or they would want to get rid of their hostage as soon as possible and get their money as soon as possible.

[T.J. Holmes]

You don't sit around, you don't kidnap somebody and just sit and let them sweat it out for a week. He, he said it in such a way, ropes are like, oh, okay, obviously this isn't because he doesn't sound like they believe. But after all this and all this talk of ransom notes, Robes, they don't believe they've gotten a legitimate one yet.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[T.J. Holmes]

So that means, quite frankly, Robes, there's no ransom. So where is Nancy and why was she taken out of that home. Now they have to be. You have to focus on what it has to be. A different theory than a ransom and a kidnapping.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. And that's why I think this timeline that they released was really, really, really interesting. It certainly piqued our interest and we got this and we'll explain why. So police are now able to say that, yes, Nancy was dropped off by a family member around the exact time they had suggested.

[T.J. Holmes]

Now you, you saw something else? I only saw a family member. But you're do have they said officially who dropped her off?

[Amy Robach]

Look, I don't know that because there have been so many reports. I just know some reports are suggesting which family member dropped her off.

[T.J. Holmes]

But hey, not more than one. So she went one on one. Only one person saw her last. Is that, that's official?

[Amy Robach]

It sounds like that is correct. Yes. We do know for sure that she was at Annie and Tommaso. Is that how you say his name? Tomaso. Tomaso. At their home having dinner and playing card games. Because they actually even spoke to the Uber driver who took her there and he was very cooperative with police, they said, just explaining that she said she was going to her families for dinner and card games. So they know that's true. At 9:48, the garage door opens. At 9:50, the garage door closes.

[T.J. Holmes]

That is so interesting to me because that says Nancy Guthrie's home and safe for the night.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And that is what Tommaso told police, that they reported this, that he said, I made sure she got in and she was safe. That is the last we saw her. So. So there you go. Right? And then here's where it gets really interesting. At 1:47am the doorbell camera is disconnected. At 2:12am There is motion detected by a camera. It could have been an animal. It could have been a human. It could have been, but it was some movement. And the problem is apparently Nancy Guthrie didn't subscribe. So there was no way of reviewing that video. It just went out into the ether. It was not recorded. And then at 2:28am that is when her pacemaker disconnected from the app. So the 1:47am Doorbell cam being disconnected and the 2:12 motion detection by something. Those two things seem like they are connected.

[T.J. Holmes]

And he was the one that brought up, not us. The sheriff made the point to say, oh no, it could have been an animal. That's a hell of a coincidence at that when all these other weird things are going on the pace, what, within 45 minutes the doorbell's disconnected, there's motion at the Front porch and the pacemakers disconnected in 45 minutes. Tough to say those oddities are not related.

[Amy Robach]

You've got to believe just from a common sense standpoint that those are all related. And that is when she was taken. And the interesting thing is because obviously we've gone through all of these possible theories about what could have happened to Nancy Guthrie. But to know that her pacemaker was still connected until 2:28, that would suggest she was alive at 2:28am and that's the last bit of information we have about her condition.

[T.J. Holmes]

This makes no sense that an 84 year old woman is safe at home at 10 o' clock at night. Why is she disturbed again? Why did somebody go back to that house? What in God's name has happened to this woman?

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And how and why is there blood on her front porch? Blood drops that finally. Look, we saw them. And finally police confirmed it is Nancy Guthrie's blood. So we don't know what they found inside the home. We don't know if there was blood inside the home, if there was a significant amount of blood inside the home. We only know that they said they believed she was harmed when she was taken. And they said that what they saw at that scene was gravely concerning the scene, meaning the home and robes.

[T.J. Holmes]

We look those images now of that blood in the front has been everywhere. We're not talking about a couple of specs that you have to look closely for. This is someone who had a significant injury.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[T.J. Holmes]

And was bleeding and they say that is her blood. But folks, yesterday we did get again, like I mentioned, several other updates. They have also upped the reward for Nancy Guthrie for information leading to finding her. And also not really sure what to make of it, but Cash Patel is now in the middle of this investigation. We think we'll explain the confusion about the FBI director's involvement in this case. Stay here. We continue here on this Friday morning, February 6th update on the search for Nancy Guthrie robes. Is the FBI director going or not to help in this case? Because I thought the president said he's throwing all resources, including his FBI director at the problem and now. So is he going or not?

[Amy Robach]

Apparently he is going to Tucson to.

[T.J. Holmes]

Help out in the investigation.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, but wait. No, no, no, no, no. So this is according to the FBI director who is there leading the investigation in Tucson?

[T.J. Holmes]

The local guy.

[Amy Robach]

The local agent in charge, I believe is his name.

[T.J. Holmes]

His name's what? Heath? His name is what?

[Amy Robach]

Jank. J A N K E Janky Junkie Yankee.

[T.J. Holmes]

Let's just go. Janky. Sounds better.

[Amy Robach]

Janky sounds terrible. I am so sorry if I just massacred his name. But Heath. We can call him Heath. He said that the trip that Cash Patel is taking to Tucson is unrelated to the Guthrie investigation. I will quote him. He does have a trip scheduled to Tucson that was pre. Scheduled before this. But he is receiving consistent and constant updates from our team here. Look, you and I, I believe we both saw there has been criticism once it was announced that Cash Patel was. Was coming into Tucson to help with the investigation. We saw some folks online, some law enforcement folks on television admonishing him for it, saying he is a distraction. He is doing this for his own. Look at me. Look at me. He inserts himself into high profile cases and actually takes away from the important police work that we're doing because he serves ultimately as a distraction. And so people were up there kind of lambasting him for going and putting himself in the middle of it. So, look, read what you'd like into what now the FBI is saying, oh, no, he's not inserting himself. He's not coming here for Guthrie. He had something else. He had a prior commitment that just so happened to be in Tucson. That just so happened to be when the biggest story in this country is going on. And he just got criticized.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's possible.

[Amy Robach]

Okay.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's possible he had a trip. I'm saying I don't know. However, they did tell us he was going specifically to help out on this. That's not. Okay. That is what we're talking about. But we're in a story this big a case this big. Robes, this is where we are. And this is not our fault. This is his. It doesn't matter what he says in front of a microphone or he tweets. We have to go get a second and third and fourth source from the FBI director. He's done this repeatedly. Robes put out information significant to a case. We're all watching. And he is 100% wrong. We can't trust him on this case.

[Amy Robach]

Robes, if he puts out on X or gets up in front of a microphone and says they've made an arrest and they've got their guy with. We're not going to be able to report.

[T.J. Holmes]

Pause.

[Amy Robach]

We're going to have to actually get a second source. Let's look into this because it's been twice now in major stories that even the Charlie Kirk assassination.

[T.J. Holmes]

Wrong.

[Amy Robach]

Wrong.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's tough. And look, I am not. We're not the. But we had. I can't remember the guy's name. Yesterday we were watching. So he's been using the FBI 30, 40 years, all the high profile, big cases. He said, I have never seen my FBI director on scene. He said, no, I never saw him outside of his office. Yeah, and it wasn't a criticism. He was saying, he lets agents do our work. And he's not hovering. He's not out there all the time. Look, Cash Patel can have a different way of going about it, and some people might appreciate it. It hasn't been beneficial, at least from a public standpoint.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And so that maybe could be the reason why now he's not going to Tucson to be a part of the Guthrie investigation.

[T.J. Holmes]

Now, I guess this was expected as well. The other update, they upped the reward. Possibly hear robes for finding her. It was. A lot of people heard it earlier, big as the story was. And given who Nancy Guthrie's daughter is, folks, like $2,500, that's not enough.

[Amy Robach]

Well, yeah, it's ups now, people. People made a lot of comments and directed them at Savannah, as if Savannah had anything to do with the reward money. People, please. I mean, the people who are coming after her, it's. She had nothing to do with that. That is Crime stoppers. That is the police, that is the local resources. They don't encourage families, especially families with means to create huge rewards. Because now you just incentivize people to commit crimes against your family if you have a certain amount of wealth. So that makes a lot of sense. But yes, the reward is now at $50,000, and that is significant. Look, we can see already that people are trying to cash in in criminal horrific ways to try and make some money on someone else's tragedy. But this would actually be something that hopefully could incentivize somebody who might have information that could lead to finding or figuring out what happened to Nancy Guthrie.

[T.J. Holmes]

If money works, fine. But it's. It's weird to think you need to be incentivized by money to try to help out in finding an 84 year old woman in poor health. So I know the money help. And you know, on the ransom thing, the FBI guy said in publicly ransom, that's the family's call. Yes, he said. He said. Yep. We don't have anything to do with that. If they want to handle. They want to put up. He said. He said it. That is on them. They don't have to listen to authorities. We can advise, but we have no say over what they do there.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And look, if it were your family member, you would try anything. You would pull out all the stops. You'll say, you would even say to yourself, and Savannah gets this. She's covered enough of these stories. Not quite like this, but certainly she knows that it probably is not that great of a chance that this is actually a kidnapping situation where she's talking to a kidnapper. But you know what? She might be. And so if it's your loved one, you, you would, you would exhaust all options. Even if the chances of it bearing fruit were minimal, you would still do it. So I understand why they're doing this.

[T.J. Holmes]

All right, folks, no press availability schedule for today. I have that right. Robes. They don't have a press conference schedule for today.

[Amy Robach]

He actually said after this past one that they are not going to hold another one unless there is a significant development. He said there's no point in us or me getting up here and just going over the same information. And that does make sense.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay, well, I have some thoughts on how these press conferences are going, but it's everybody's under, you can imagine the stress they're under. The whole everybody is watching these authorities, how they do every single thing. The scrutiny is going to be there, but, you know, everybody's doing their best. I want to bring this woman home. We want to give you that update. I say that update. There were several significant updates about this story. As always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app where you see our show page, that little button that says follow click that. You can always get our updates coming to you and there have been a plenty here lately. But for now, we appreciate you listening. As always, I am T.J. holmes. On behalf of my dear Amy Robach, we will talk to you all soon. Success starts with your drive and American Public University is here to fuel it.

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