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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
BREAKING: Agents Shoot & Kill Woman in Minneapolis; DHS Says Self-Defense, Mayor Calls "Bull---"
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Romi
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TJ Holmes
Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, January 7th, and we have a breaking mess going on in Minneapolis right now. Welcome to this episode of Amy and tj. We're hopping on because they have been robed. A fast moving development in Minneapolis, and it is ongoing. But ICE agents have apparently robed, shot and killed, killed a woman in Minneapolis as a part of the immigration crackdown that's going on there.
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Romi
And we are watching the aftermath of that shooting because there is massive unrest in the streets of Minneapolis. And that shooting, by the way, was captured at least on one cell phone video. But I imagine we'll be seeing several different angles of this. And we've got Minneapolis leaders, the mayor speaking out, police chief, and it is getting incredibly difficult to discern what happened, why it happened, and what should happen because of it.
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TJ Holmes
Okay, this is scary and ugly. And I know, I know, I know the mayor, Jacob Fry, is trying to do his best to keep his city calm. But he got in front of a microphone and roped. We have to say he did bring the temperature up. I would say without a doubt he's frustrated. I know he's pissed. But. But the mayor of Minneapolis, who many of you all are familiar with and know his face from a lot that's been happening in that city over the years, past few years. The rhetoric and the words he used were combative. Yes, they were angry. But when the leader of a city gets up and tells ICE agents to get the fuck out of Minneapolis, his words robes. It's a little shocking. And the anger is there and you gotta respect the anger. But it made me feel like holy hell, what's about to happen in Minneapolis.
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Romi
Exactly. And when he said that, he also said that the official word from ICE, which is that they shot, or this particular ICE officer shot this woman, a 37 year old woman, in the head because she was using her car as a deadly weapon. She was coming at him and he shot as a response to protect his own life. And the mayor for flat out said ice trying to spin this as self defense is bullshit. So what you have then are people who are Already angry in the city of Minneapolis with 2,000 plus ICE agents descending on that area. Now you have the mayor saying, get the fuck out. And what you're saying is bullshit. You're right. Now we're seeing like literal fights breaking out in the streets around the area where this shooting happened.
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TJ Holmes
And folks, yes, we are. As we are hopping on here, folks, we are watching a lot of this live, is playing out online, is on television. And a lot of people, of course, are out there who are able to live stream with their cameras. And so a lot of video is coming in. It's a lot to keep an eye on. But this is very, very important to note. This is not the first time we've seen someone in the country who's died as a part of some of ICE operations around the country. But robes, this one is hitting a little different. And now you have what almost sounds like the setting off of a war between Minneapolis and Washington D.C. jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, and Donald Trump. The words that are being used are scary as hell. Now, we can describe this all day long, but Homeland Security put out a statement that is, it flies in the face of what the Minneapolis officials are saying. So this is the statement. Now, if you have it up, I.
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Romi
Don'T have it up right now.
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TJ Holmes
We'll give you the statement here from Department of Homeland Security. This is the one that the mayor of Minneapolis just said is bullshit.
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Romi
She said, this is from Kristi Noem, Department of Home.
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TJ Holmes
They officially put this out, Department of Homeland Security.
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Romi
Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers. And one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to. To kill them. An act of domestic terrorism. An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow officers. The alleged perpetrator was hit and is deceased. The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make four full recoveries. This is the direct consequence of constant attacks and demonization of our officers by sanctuary politicians who fuel and encourage rampant assaults on our law enforcement, who are facing 1,300% increase in assaults against them and an 8,000% increase in death threats. This is an evolving situation and we will give the public more information as soon as it becomes available.
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TJ Holmes
And that is the statement that the city of Minneapolis calls bullshit. Now, there is video out there. Now, the different account from the city of Minneapolis was essentially I think they almost described the woman as blocking, just blocking the street. Some have even tried to describe as she was driving away. We will give you our best description. You will see it if you haven't already. But by the way, that statement from Kristi Noem, what does she call it? Violent. One of these violence.
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Romi
She's an act of terrorist. Domestic terrorism.
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TJ Holmes
Okay. And by the way, the city of Minneapolis describes this person as a 37 year old white woman who was shot in the head. Now, don't know what she was doing and why she was there, but the video is clear. Whatever they were doing in that area. You had several federal agents and they had some kind of a blockade up and checking people that were coming by. A car pulls up and you hear an ICE agent walking to the door. He's got a mask on, face is covered and he clearly says get the fuck out of the car. Clearly says it walks over, puts his hand on the door and tries to open it with the door handle. It doesn't open at that point we then notice there is another ICE agent who had walked over to the front of the car. At this point, whoever's in the driver and they say she was alone in the car, so she was driving. She hits the gas and takes off. And the ICE agent, the second one is in front of the car at this point. It almost seems like he stumbles, it's icy. So I don't know if it was the ice or if he actually got hit and spun him around, but he was off balance as the car was taking off. And you hear a couple shots fire. Now robes. What other observations do you have of that? That's. That maybe could help people put, put together what we saw.
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Romi
You described the video very accurately. And I was actually. So this, this notion of whether or not she was trying to kill and run over this ICE agent or was she trying to get away?
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TJ Holmes
She's trying to get away.
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Romi
Oh yeah, 100%. So that. Okay, we agree on that. What I believe could have happened and is the most likely scenario is that because we could barely see her attention. Most assuredly when was looking at the officer directly at the driver's side where she was trying to open the door. She then tries to peel and get away. It is very likely she never saw the ICE agent come around the front and be right there when she was driving off. So it didn't like we had a hard time seeing him. So if her attention is focused on this police officer screaming get the fuck out of the car. Her head's Turned that way, probably, and she's like, gunning it to get away. I'm not saying she acted correctly. If a police officer tells you to get out of the car, get out.
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TJ Holmes
Of the car again, I don't want to. As that matter and as a legal matter, what might have happened, what she might have seen, don't know. But an agent. We have seen cases. This will be something they look into and investigated, so on and so forth. But, Robes, in these cases, I have seen and I have covered them. When someone is in a car and doesn't follow a police officer's command and is driving a vehicle towards that officer, it's deemed a deadly weapon, and he is allowed to use deadly force. I have seen this before. Is that gonna be a part of it? I don't know. That is not my most worrying issue here. I am worried, Robes, that this has now set us off. We are as hot as we can get in this country in terms of our politics, political assassinations, how heated we are with our rhetoric. Now, the mayor put a target on ICE agents in the way he talked about them today.
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Romi
Absolutely he did. And look, look, we're all big boys and girls and we all curse probably in our private lives. But I have to say, hearing a. An elected official on a mic on live television, decorum be damned, Just. Just start dropping F bombs and hurling those at our government. I have never seen anything like that before.
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TJ Holmes
That was uncomfortable. I'm trying to give him a pass because I know he's mad. I'm trying to give him a pass. I know how upsetting this is, and I know they don't want ICE there. A lot of cities don't. We get what's happening. Families are being torn apart. All of those things. We get it. But Rome's Eye, and we're looking up here, and we'll get into this a little later. It was a quick thing. Kristi Noem is actually having a press conference now as well. We don't. We'll monitor and see what she says and bring that to you. But Romes just. We've been taught. We talk about this every single day on the morning run, every single day at how hot things are. Wow. Wish somebody could just bring the temperature down. And the mayor there, he said, I got a message for the people of my community and for ICE agents. He cussed out ICE agents and then told his community to let's show them who we are.
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Romi
We're better than this. But actually, what you just said belied your next statement. So it's unfortunate that he had to say here, let's be better, but first, let me be worse. So he went and met them at their level at that moment with the rhetoric and the incendiary comments and the curse words. But then he went on to tell the community, which is what hopefully he could have said just in and of itself without any of the other stuff. But yes, rise to the occasion. Show them who we are. We are better than a bunch of ICE agents. Let's meet hate with love. Let's meet despair with hope. But what you just said 30 seconds before was actually in the complete opposite spirit. So it was tough. And yes, I get it. He was angry, he was upset. There is, it's palpable. We're here in New York. I feel the tension coming through the television set at me. This is disturbing. That isn't even the word to use. This is scary. This is, I'm afraid this is just the beginning. Where does this end? This is ramping up to a fever pitch and I don't know, none of us know where this ends.
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TJ Holmes
Well, folks, stay here for just a moment. When we come back, we'll give you our thoughts about where this is about to go next and also what we continue to see on the streets of Minneapolis as we speak. We continue here on this breaking edition of Amy and TJ Hopping on because just an explosive situation right now in Minneapolis. That city is on edge after a woman was killed, shot by an ICE agent. And I'm concerned, robes, about the next person we hear from of consequence, Donald Trump. What is Mr. President going to say about this one?
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Romi
He is going to take what Kristi Noem said and probably level up even further. I mean, she called this an act of domestic terrorism. She said that this woman was attempting to run over our law enforcement officers. Like I said, we've seen, I've only seen one angle of the video. There are going to be multiple angles of this video, but you can bet that President Trump is absolutely not going to unite and bring the temperature down. I feel very confident in saying that. This goes from, I don't know, I feel like we're already at a fever pitch to the highest level possible. This is not, this is not going to come down. The temperature is not going to come down.
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TJ Holmes
And Minnesota, Minneapolis in particular, how much has been happening there since George Floyd. George Floyd. But from that, it's been hot in that city. And now the president is keenly focused on that community. The, the mayor, the governor, Somalis, fraud, ICE agents, all of these things are coming At Minneapolis in particular. But Minnesota, in a way that breaks your heart for all that's going on. It's. I mean, Rose, we're okay. He kept saying, we're better than this, man. We are not proving it day in, day out.
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Romi
That's a really good way to put it.
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TJ Holmes
We're actually showing who we are. We see. No, that's wrong, too, because we're focusing on the worst sometimes. And, Rose, we. We go out on a weekend and we meet some of the most wonderful people doing the most wonderful things. But, though. But why are these voices the only ones getting through? Why are these things. They are the ones that are guiding our politics, our emotions, our communities, just everything. And I. Rosiah, I know before this.
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Romi
Even happened, it's interesting. I was on a FaceTime with my mom, and she said, I know you do this for a living, and I love listening to your podcast, but I'm at a point where I cannot even turn the television on anymore. And I think a lot of Americans are like that. But to turn a blind eye to this or to be apathetic to it isn't a part of the solution. I know it feels safe to be like, I just don't even want to watch or see. But this is getting scary, and this is spilling over into our streets. It's affecting everybody.
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TJ Holmes
So we should offer always an alternative and some perspective when we do these things. Robes. And it's just, folks, please, please give folks a little grace. Be a little nicer to the ice agent. Ice agent. Be a little nicer to that person you're confronting. Everybody's a criminal. Not everybody's out to get. I don't know, Robes what to do, because being better doesn't seem to work. You know it. You do those in. Do it in small ways. I don't know.
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Romi
That's all you can do. You can only take care of your own actions and reactions. We can all feel things passionately, but what we do with those feelings is on us. And we can in our own way, in our community, in our families, in our friend groups, we can try to see what we're seeing out there right now on the streets of Minneapolis and across this country, in different pockets and hotspots that keep popping up and say, I'm going to choose to act differently in my world, in my community. That is all we can do. Because this I. We like. You do start to feel powerless. You do start to feel apathetic because you are helpless in a lot of ways. You're just watching this happen. So what can we do from this? We can see this and we can just commit in our own personal circles to do better and to be better. I wanted to say I'm reading some reports because this story is obviously going to evolve and deepen and we're going to learn more about who these players are. But from ABC News, they are reporting that Minneapolis City Council members said the victim, the 37 year old woman, was in fact a US citizen who was, he said, an observer who was quote, watching out for our immigrant neighbors. So she inserted herself in to this situation and perhaps probably blocked the street thinking she was helping fellow immigrants who were her neighbors. And we see the end result.
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TJ Holmes
Oh, my God.
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Romi
She thought she was doing good.
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TJ Holmes
Well, Robes, we'll keep an eye on this one, folks. And you know what, talk about the focus and you talk about your mom. Just then she said she like, can't turn the TV on, folks. We didn't plan on doing this story. You know, the other one we were going to do is just as horrific. Yeah. Rob Reiner.
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Romi
Yes.
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TJ Holmes
Yeah. His son was supposed to be in court today. So that's. We might hop on an update about that if we got the emotional bandwidth to do so. But Robes, I'm remembering that was an officer in 2019 in Little Rock, Arkansas. Yes. Fired 15 shots through the front of a car that was coming at him. He was trying to stop a suspect. Acquitted. Fired 15 times. He wasn't terribly injured. But these cases, when you see this, and I mean, we're breaking it down, that's fine. I'm not. We should. The legal part of it is just what happens. This is going to happen more, is it not?
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Romi
It is because you could hear, there was audio and you could hear how angry the protesters were screaming at the police. The police were screaming at this woman. There was so much yelling and anger. This wasn't about following the law or doing what was right.
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TJ Holmes
There was just anger.
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Romi
Anger. There was anger coming from the ICE agents, period. There was anger coming from the protesters, period. And it ramped it up to the level where we saw what happened. And it's just awful and tragic and unnecessary and sad. Sad.
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TJ Holmes
Folks, please check out the video for yourself. We'll keep an eye on what's happening there. But it's important to look at the video. We say it. And yes, it is essentially the. The video of a woman being killed. You don't see her. I should. It should be clear. You don't see that?
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Romi
Nothing graphic.
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TJ Holmes
No, no. Yes.
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Romi
I mean, it's awful to watch.
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TJ Holmes
But you're going to hear all sides telling different stories about this. Please just go look at it for yourself. And you know what? Your eyes are not going to be confused about what you see. You can try to interpret it different ways, but what happened, happened. Folks, we always appreciate you spending some time with us. We will hop back on as news warns, but for now I'm TJ Holmes on behalf of Raymond. Hey everyone, it's Ed Helms. And I'm Kal Penn and we are the hosts of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's what moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?
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Romi
I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands you have the crowd sounds like all around you is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.
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TJ Holmes
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Romi
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