Deadly ICE Shooting Further Divides Our Nation,  We Can All Agree This Has To Stop!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: Deadly ICE Shooting Further Divides Our Nation, We Can All Agree This Has To Stop!

Date: September 24, 2025

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Overview

In this urgent, emotionally-charged episode, hosts Amy Robach and TJ Holmes respond to breaking news of a deadly shooting at a Dallas ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) facility. The main theme centers on the continuing epidemic of politically-motivated violence in the U.S., escalating rhetoric on both sides, and the dangerous cycle of blame and division that follows such tragedies. The hosts dissect the event's details, explore political and media reactions, and reflect on the broader implications for American society, repeatedly emphasizing the urgent need for unity, compassion, and responsible leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking News: The Dallas ICE Shooting

• Incident Recap (04:16–06:16)

  • A shooter, identified as 29-year-old Joshua John, opened fire at a Dallas ICE building shortly after 7am.
  • One person was killed, two were critically injured, and the shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
  • None of the victims were ICE agents; one critically injured person was a Mexican national and reportedly a detainee.
  • Bullet casings had anti-ICE messaging engraved (“anti ICE”); this detail is seen as a troubling new trend.

• Quote — Amy Robach [06:16]:
  “Not a single ICE officer was injured at all. In fact...he ended up shooting and critically injuring and killing folks who were there trying to figure out their immigration status and detainees.”

2. Rapid Politicization & The Rhetoric Spiral

• Escalating Blame (03:08–04:16, 07:14–08:55)

  • The shooting was almost instantly politicized; prominent public figures, such as Carolyn Levitt and Cash Patel, assigned blame to "the left" on social media.
  • President Trump issued a lengthy post blaming "radical left Democrats" for the attack and calling on Democrats to "stop their rhetoric against ICE."
  • The hosts note this blame-game dynamic as exacerbating, not solving, the country’s division.

• Quote — Amy Robach [13:17]:
  “Immediately pointing the finger at the other side of the aisle...further creates this divide. That is not making things better, that is making things worse.”

3. Shooter’s Motive and the Complexity of Violence

• Motive Unclear (08:08–09:08)

  • The shooter's brother described him as “unique” but not political; he was unemployed and recently seen at a family dinner with no signs of distress.
  • The motivations remain unclear, raising the question of mental health and individual pathology versus ideological influence.

• Quote — Amy Robach [08:08]:
  “Even his own family is guessing...had no idea why he would especially have any political notions or any sort of negative feelings towards ice.”

4. ICE Facilities as Targets

• Pattern of Targeting (10:13–11:14)

  • ICE offices have become frequent targets for bomb threats, protests, and violence—this latest tragedy seems part of a larger pattern.
  • Noted previous incidents and the routine presence of crowds at ICE offices, making them especially vulnerable.

• Masking & Security for ICE Agents (11:14–12:06)

  • Discussion of security measures: ICE agents often wear masks for protection due to targeting of themselves and their families.
  • California’s new law (pushed by Gov. Gavin Newsom) seeks to unmask ICE agents, prompting debate over safety versus transparency.

5. The Dangers of Heated Rhetoric, Social Media & Blame

• Amplification of Division (15:01–16:13, 24:37–25:21)

  • Both hosts underscore that heated political language on all sides—amplified on social media—fuels violence and deepens divisions.
  • They call out the hypocrisy of leaders calling for de-escalation while employing inflammatory rhetoric.

• Quote — Amy Robach [23:32]:
  “How was what President Trump...any different than what he's accusing the far left of doing?...Fanning the flames, fueling the fire and pointing the finger in a general direction in my opinion is dangerous and it's just concerning.”

• Quote — TJ Holmes [24:37]:
  “Political rhetoric now seems it really does...is it fair to bring to blame the heated political environment?...Are we any more heated than we're used to being?”

6. Leadership Failure & The Cry for Unity

• Who Can Heal the Nation? (26:16–27:40, 29:41–30:57)

  • The hosts mourn the lack of unifying leaders or public figures who can speak to both sides and genuinely "bring the temperature down."
  • They recall how past presidents and leaders responded to national tragedies with words aimed at healing and unity.

• Quote — TJ Holmes [26:17]:
  “Presidents step out and what do they do? They heal. They make you feel better...They unify.”

• Quote — Amy Robach [29:41]:
  “We need someone to step up and fill that void, because there is a void...someone who can make us feel like we all have skin in the game. We're all human.”

7. Personal Responsibility & Compassion

• What Can We Do? (30:57–32:57)

  • Amy and TJ urge listeners to pay attention to those in their lives, especially if someone is in distress, obsessed, or isolated.
  • Emphasize the importance of kindness, checking in on loved ones, and the profound impact words and conversations can have—online and in-person.

• Quote — Amy Robach [31:44]:
  “Look out for the people in your life, pay attention if someone is in distress...We need to pay attention to the people around us and support the people who are in our lives to get them the help they need.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Are we a society...who handle our grievances with bullets? Because now here we go again.”
  – TJ Holmes [02:45]
• “The dust hasn't even settled and then we have everyone pointing politically at one another. You're to blame. Your rhetoric is causing this.”
  – Amy Robach [03:08]
• “It ramps right back up...politicians trying to make a point. They’re just targets.”
  – TJ Holmes [05:20, 10:13]
• “Healthy, mentally healthy people don't go and then just indiscriminately shoot. So then to just immediately blame a political party for the actions of specific people...your words can be weapons or used to justify violence.”
  – Amy Robach [13:17]
• “Everybody’s on board. Next, politically motivated violence is wrong. We’re all okay with that.”
  – TJ Holmes [27:40]
• “An eye for an eye makes everyone blind.”
  – Amy Robach [24:04]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:45] — Show opens with breaking news, framing the nation’s crisis.
• [04:16] — Amy details the Dallas ICE shooting incident and victim status.
• [07:14] — Shifting from fact to politicization of the incident.
• [08:08] — Shooter’s background and commentary on mental health.
• [10:13] — ICE facilities’ status as targets; escalation pattern.
• [11:14] — Masking debate, security versus transparency for ICE agents.
• [15:01], [23:32], [24:37] — Analysis of political and media rhetoric, both sides culpable.
• [26:17], [29:41] — The nation’s need for a unifying, healing leader.
• [31:44] — Personal call to action: noticing distress, practicing empathy.

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Tone & Takeaways

Throughout the episode, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes maintain a tone of urgency, frustration, sorrow, and introspection—punctuated by moments of candor, empathy, and exhaustion with the “blame game.” They resist knee-jerk partisanship and repeatedly advocate for compassion, introspection, and calm. Their genuine longing for unifying leadership and their appeals for individual responsibility resonate as both a critique of the current climate and a heartfelt call for hope.

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Bottom Line

This episode delivers a powerful, nuanced examination of a national tragedy and its aftermath. Amy and TJ challenge listeners—and leaders—to reject inflammatory rhetoric, to show compassion, and to strive for unity. Both ask: Who will step forward as the healer America so desperately needs?

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Transcript

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks, it is Wednesday, September 24, and I guess this is just who we are now. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and who We Are, Robes. Are we a society, are we a country people now who handle our grievances with bullets? Because now here we go again. They're talking about another targeted, possibly politically targeted attack at an ICE facility in Dallas.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, I mean, that is what it appears to be. And the problem is not only are we seeing people taking their anger out with bullets, but then immediately the dust hasn't even settled and then we have everyone pointing politically at one another. You're to blame. Your rhetoric is causing this. And so that just further inflames the problem and further divides our country in such a frustrating, sad, scary way.

[TJ Holmes]

And we were hoping after the, I don't know, maybe the memorial service on Sunday with Charlie Kirk was a moment that we could all reflect. We even had Jimmy Kimmel come back on the air last night. And look, he still told some jokes and went after the President, but he at least was able to tone down and walk back some of the stuff that inflamed people. But here we are today. It ramps right back up. And it's not just the attack. Like you said, robes, it didn't take long at all. And you know, I should go back and look at how many minutes it was between us finding out about the shooting and Cash Patel and Kristi Noem and Carolyn Levitt. Carolyn Levitt going on social media and saying it's the left.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, it wasn't long at all, I can tell you that. But just to recap, I'm sure many of you already know the details, but to let you know what happened at a Dallas ICE facility this morning. It was shortly after 7am local time that a shooter who has been identified at this point but according to witnesses, started firing indiscriminately at the ICE building there and ended up killing one victim and critically injuring two others before then turning the gun on himself. And it was, he died by a self inflicted gunshot wound, but we know he is 29 year old Joshua John. And we saw that at least one of the shell casings where they said several of them had anti ice messaging engraved on the bullet casings, which also seems to now be something that we're seeing over and over again.

[TJ Holmes]

Where do we used to hear this. We. Coming up. Was it movies got a bullet with your name on it. What was that?

[Amy Robach]

I don't know. But you're right, that's a, that's a saying.

[TJ Holmes]

But now it's a, a that takes time. Right. You have to sit down and write or etch or schedule that. What is. I don't. These could just be sick individuals. Right. And these could be copycats and maybe they're being inspired by other people doing this type of thing. Or maybe it is. We're too hot in our rhetoric these days. It does not really matter. The point is that they say, and they called him a sniper. They said he was essentially on a roof firing at will at this facility. Now, he had anti ICE messaging and there's been a lot of discussion. Anti ICE messaging as of late. They are just doing their jobs. They are instructed to go pick up these folks, carry out this mission, do this, do that. It is not their fault, but they seem at least ropes based on the bullets, the ICE agents were the target. However, not a single one was injured.

[Amy Robach]

Not a single ICE officer was injured at all. In fact, I guess if that was this shooter's intention, it's ironic because he ended up shooting and critically injuring and killing folks who were there trying to figure out their immigration status and detainees. Yes, we know 1. The 1. We don't have any names. They're not releasing any names, but we know one of the two who was critically injured is a Mexican national. So if you, you fire indiscriminately at a building that houses detainees, people who are trying to figure out their immigration status and go through the legal channels, and then you also have ICE agents. So just to just be spraying bullets who. We don't have any details about how many bullets, but there were witnesses who said they heard about 20 shots. And this just seems. Well, I mean, President Trump said it. The shooting is despicable and it certainly is. And that's something I guess we can all agree on.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. And that's kind of it. That's where we stop. Everybody agrees this is despicable. We should leave it there because then the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing comes out of the President's mouth or this person's mouth and the left and the right, or whoever it may be. And yes, we're going to get into how this is now ramped up and how we can. I don't know what we can do to calm it down. When the President of the United States with the bully pulpit he has is screaming that it's the far left. It's the far left. We'll get into his truth social post here in just a second. This the suspect don't know at this point a whole lot about him other than the self inflicted gunshot wound. What his motivations might be, you can only assume based on what we know so far. Cash Patel, the FBI director did put out that he even included a picture in his post of the bullets. Yes, but this one you can guess. They're, they're guessing at this point what his motive is, but officially we do.

[Amy Robach]

Not know that's true. And even his own family is guessing. His brother spoke to NBC News and said this, and this was really puzzling, said that he did not think his brother was politically even interested in anything and he had no idea why he would especially have any political notions or any sort of negative feelings towards ice. He couldn't offer any explanation. He was raised in Texas, he's a register independent. So a lot of this is puzzling and head scratching hearing that his own family, he said he had seen his brother two weeks ago at a family dinner and he was unemployed and was about to move back in with his parents, but had no indication that anything was off with him. He did describe his brother as unique.

[TJ Holmes]

What was the age?

[Amy Robach]

I'm sorry, 29 years old.

[TJ Holmes]

The shooter.

[Amy Robach]

Right, the shooter was 29 years old. And he described his brother as unique and left it at that. Didn't give any further description. So perhaps this was something and maybe these cases are isolated where you've got mentally ill.

[TJ Holmes]

He was unique.

[Amy Robach]

That's how he said that' what his brother described. He said he didn't think he was political at all, but that he was a unique individual.

[TJ Holmes]

This facility, yes, it is a place where they do detain folks, but also other folks have to come in at times to do essentially a check in. They physically come in. They have offices like that here in New York as well. We see, we see lines of folks oftentimes. So these are very busy and at that time of day, early in the morning, from our experience, they show up early. So this might have been a very crowded place at this time.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, we used to live almost directly across from one of of the ICE agencies here in New York City. And it was like clockwork. Around 7am every morning you have a very long line of people waiting patiently to try and get in despite the weather. And so yes, it was about that time of morning where you would see people going in trying, you know, whatever business they have with the agency. So just to fire at this facility. And I believe he was firing towards. There was a sally port there. There was some people getting in and out. So it's just it, it's. There is no explanation.

[TJ Holmes]

We have seen at least Christy Noem wanted to remind us, the Homeland Security Secretary, that this facility, if it wasn't this summer, might have just been last month, that they were the target of another attack. That attack being a bomb threat. Somebody walked in, so they had a bomb. So they had a detonator. They had to shut the place down. What not. They arrested that person. But ICE facilities these days are targets. They are. We've said. What was the case here in New York where the. Was it a bunch of politicians like rushed an ICE or a couple rushed ICE facility to make a point. They were arrested. They're just targets for protests. They're targets for politicians trying to make a point. They're just targets. And for this to happen here today and the timing robes were two weeks. Is it two weeks ago? It was two weeks ago today. Charlie Kirk, was it.

[Amy Robach]

Was it really two weeks ago?

[TJ Holmes]

So we're trying to heal, get past that, still mourn. That was politically motivated violence. This today, it certainly has to look that way.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And with the bullet casings that read anti ice, at least the one that we saw in the FBI director's post on X certainly would indicate that. Now, it's interesting too, because we've been talking about this on our morning run podcast, and Gavin Newsom just is now trying to make sure that ICE agents who typically or have been wearing masks for security reasons, need to be unmasked now. But when you see about, and you see and hear about violence like this, you can understand why ICE agents have been wearing masks when they perform their duties, because they have said their targets of violence, their families have been targeted. And having folks know their identities can be a security issue for them. So a lot of times these agents will be wearing masks as they do their jobs. And when you see something like this happen, you kind of get it.

[TJ Holmes]

Can't argue with that. I, I get the other side arguing. We don't even know who you are. This masked man come here, take you in the middle of the night and people just disappearing. I get that. But Jesus, Crimey how given what we are in the doxing situation, the idea that you identify somebody and then go put their phone number and their address online for all to see, you go after their livelihood because they're just doing their job. These are, these are law enforcement agents. They are just doing the job. Yes. They got families, they're trying to make a living and this is how they're doing it. I know a lot of people don't agree with the work that they're doing, but it is, it is dangerous work. It's not supposed to be this type of danger. You're not supposed to go to work and have to dodge bullets when your job is to enforce immigration. You're not on some gang squad, you're not some anti mob. No, you're. This is not supposed to be how it is. You have to. We gotta worry about everything. We need to worry about every politician. We need to worry about everybody who opens their mouth in public to talk about politics. We need to worry about Jimmy Kimmel. We just had the guy found guilty who was trying to shoot the president last year. I mean, this, it feels like the norm for guys.

[Amy Robach]

It does. And I think the sad thing is that yes, we can be angry about it, we can be upset about it, we can ask questions, we can try to figure out how to bring the temperature down, but I assure you, immediately pointing, pointing the finger at the other side of the aisle and it now just further creates this divide of Republicans versus Democrats, Democrats versus Republicans. That is not making things better, that is making things worse. This could be some person who needed mental health help. And let's just be honest, if someone is upset or has a problem with an agency or with how things are being done, healthy, mentally healthy people don't go and then just indiscriminately shoot. So then to just immediately blame a political party for the actions of specific people. Now we can all do better and be really careful with our words. I think what we've learned here is no matter what side of the aisle you're on, your words do matter. Your words are carry weight. And your words can be weapons or used to justify violence. And that is what we're seeing here. So this is making me actually feel ill just seeing the immediate reaction. We don't even take a beat to try and figure out what happened, how it happened, why it happened. We just immediately take it for political gain to then use it against the other side to further our cause and to be righteous. It's we're right, you're wrong, we're good, you're bad. Every time this happens, that is what occurs. Almost immediately.

[TJ Holmes]

To your point, how immediate was this truth social from Mr. President, the brave men and women of ICE are just trying to do their jobs and remove the worst of the worst criminals out of our country, but they are facing an unprecedented increase in threats, violence and attacks by deranged radical leftists. This violence is the result of the radical left Democrats constantly demonizing law enforcement, calling for ICE to be demolished, and comparing ICE officers to Nazis. He has a really, really long social media post about this. We've seen him go off and social media before. This is one of the longer ones. He took time. I'm calling on all Democrats to stop this rhetoric against ICE and America's law enforcement right now. That was his tone. Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, stay here because we want you to hear how he had a much different tone from the site of today's shooting.

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[TJ Holmes]

All right, folks, we are back now continuing with another breaking news story. Another breaking news story about messages on bullets meant for potentially ICE agents. Now shooting at the field office for the ICE Agency down in Dallas has resulted in at least one person being killed. Two are in critical condition as of this recording. We are told they are not law enforcement officers. They are apparently possibly were detainees who were there at the facility. The shooter, the alleged shooter was found, according to authorities, dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound. How do you like this line here? Robes from the president. I'm calling on all. Where is it? Let me. Skip, skip, skip. Stop this rhetoric right now. Rooting for here it is violent, illegal criminals, fully rooting out the left wing domestic terrorism that is terrorizing our country. It's a long post. In several points he says left, left, Democrat, Democrat, lot of caps, a lot of exclamation points. He puts that out. There are radicals, there are folks that are disturbed. You have to be disturbed to do something like this. Obviously he's putting it all in one place. What does that do for. Doesn't that or how does that, how does he, how is he speaking to his own followers? Is he sending out a message? Is that going to be interpreted as we have to fight back, take action, we have to load our guns? I don't know how that could be received.

[Amy Robach]

Weren't we hearing fight fire with fire? We need to rise up battle cries warriors, Democrats. Yes. I mean, the problem is how is what President Trump, Trump is saying any different than what he's accusing the far left of doing, which there he. So we've got President Trump, we've got Cash Patel, we've got Carolyn Levitt all pointing the finger at Democrats. But when you use words like President Trump is using demonizing the left, how was that then? Not concerning that. You could have extremists, radical right wing folks who might have their issues as well. Why wouldn't that then cause or potentially stir up those folks to then create violence in retaliation? Like my point is he's not bringing the temperature down. As the president, I would love to see him. Yes, he can be angry, yes, he can be pissed. But to, but his job is to lead and to create A safe environment for all of us. Fanning the flames, fueling the fire and pointing the finger in a general direction in my opinion is dangerous and it's just concerning. Carolyn Levitt wrote this. Democrats must stop demonizing the heroic men and women of ICE who are just doing their jobs to keep America safe. But Democrats must stop demonizing the heroic men and women of ICE that is also completely now demonizing Democrats. So does anyone not see that an eye for an eye makes everyone blind?

[TJ Holmes]

There's plenty of this to go around both sides.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

And I don't think you should demonize an ICE agent.

[Amy Robach]

Fine, I don't either.

[TJ Holmes]

I agree with that 100%. But why do we have to. I guess it's just politics and it's dangerous. But people are getting killed, right? Political rhetoric now seems it really does. Or should we not even go that far. Is it the rhetoric, Is it, is it fair to bring to blame the heated political environment? Are we any more heated than we're used to being.

[Amy Robach]

I feel like.

[TJ Holmes]

Feels like it.

[Amy Robach]

I do think so. I think words are being used and language is being used freely and I. Social media has a lot to do with it. People still say it in front of microphones. People will still say it and own it. But putting it out like that in writing on social media, I think carries a lot of weight. And I do think that this is incredibly frustrating watching adults just play the blame game instead of actually trying to figure out what the problem is and how to solve it. We just. They're both sides are using it for political gain to rally their base to get people out to vote, to get reelected, to be the good guy. And I think it's self serving and it's serving no one.

[TJ Holmes]

Rally the bass some of that. Sometimes you're rallying the extreme elements of your base and we have to, I don't know robes when it's going to come down. I was hopeful last night after Jimmy Kimmel, I was hopeful. I'm like, wow, a comedian, a late night comedian is the healer that we all need now. A lot of people still had a problem with what he said. Didn't like him criticizing. But I'm saying he, he spoke in such a way that I made a mistake. I think I acknowledged. He acknowledged. I understand why you all are upset. It wasn't my intent and it all was genuine. I think he's being viewed that way. That was an opportunity to bring the temperature down. The next day we're right back up. Don't you remember times during national tragedies we came together. Presidents step out and what do they do? They heal. They make you feel better.

[Amy Robach]

They unify.

[TJ Holmes]

You're gonna be okay. That's the word. Robes. That's what they do when we're scared, when we've been attacked, when somebody's been killed, when there's fear. They unify. They heal. Who is that? Who is it? Now?

[Amy Robach]

I'm actually trying to think about who that is. And I. No one's coming to mind. I wish someone could stand up who could be that person, who could jump in, who the Democrats and the Republicans would both value in terms of their opinion, in terms of their way forward. Because what we're doing now, and I agree with you on both sides of the aisle, is it's so painful to watch. It's painful.

[TJ Holmes]

So this wasn't. Again, people got problems with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz has, I guess, recently even gotten some, some praise from folks on Jimmy Kimmel.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, Jimmy Kimmel mentioned his name because.

[TJ Holmes]

He came out and he did stand up and say, what is happening right now. The attack on the First Amendment is wrong. He flat out said what the President and what the FCC is doing, going after ABC is wrong. He is there, of course, he's a Texas senator. He happened to be on the scene there today. And robes. When he started speaking, I stopped what I was doing and I went over and I listened. Now, if you forget the messenger and people want to be dismissive, and that's fine. But it was this simple. This needs to stop. We don't have any problem with that line.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[TJ Holmes]

Everybody's on board. Next, politically motivated violence is wrong. We're all okay with that.

[Amy Robach]

Agreed.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. And here is where I set up. To every politician who is using rhetoric, demonizing ice. Stop. To every politician demanding that ICE be demonstration doxed and calling for people to go after their families. Stop. This has very real consequences. Now, he took a shot at Democrats and probably California. Doesn't that bill still real feel really ill timed now?

[Jenica Lopez]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

They just signed a law out there saying we want all you ICE agents to show your faces so all the whole world can see you when we can essentially put your faces online. That seems really ill timed right now.

[Amy Robach]

Well, certainly with what's happened today, it doesn't seem like that's a safe thing to do. It doesn't seem like that's a wise thing to do. And that, I don't know, could that change? I mean, it's already been signed in law. It wasn't supposed to take effect until.

[TJ Holmes]

Next year, but It's. It's. They're not necessarily. It's never going to be enforced. What are they going to do? A police officer going to arrest an ICE officer because he's got a mask on? Obviously not. This was. It's never gonna go anywhere. Everybody understands that. The point is, what does that come off as? That you had a state saying, yep, we want to put y' all out there, you guys that were just shot at, we want to see your faces so people can actually target you is how it comes off now.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, man.

[TJ Holmes]

I would love for them to come back and say, you know what? Let's step back. We made a mistake. Who is going to step up and say something that brings it down? Is it going to be Gavin Newsom? People are listening to him lately. It's not going to be Trump. He's not going to be a healer. He hasn't proved to be that kind of guy. Who. Clergy, who's a reverend, who is anybody we're listening to these days.

[Amy Robach]

We need someone to step up and fill that void, because there is a void. There is a void for some sort of rationale. And I like the word you used, healer, but someone who can unify, someone who can bring us together, someone who can make us feel like we all have skin in the game. We all. We're all human. I know that it sounds so basic, but that's really what this is all about. We're all human. We all want the same things. We want peace. We want freedom. We want our families to be safe. We all want that same thing. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on or who you voted for. We all want the same thing. So who's going to be that person who steps up and figures out a way to talk. Talk to everyone, not just the people who voted for you. And that's what I'm frustrated by when I see our politicians today, because it has gotten worse. Who can you think of who's a politician who talks to everyone, who works for everyone in their state or in their country or in their district? You can't get elected like that. But couldn't you lead like that? Couldn't you? You can't get reelected like that, I guess. But that is just such a sad state that we've gotten to this place where it's so divisive that it has inspired or at least emboldened people to take out their frustration with bullets.

[TJ Holmes]

Folks, we say it oftentimes at the end of these, we seem like we've Been doing a lot of these about tragic events. Just take a beat, give everybody a break, be kind, hug them, tell them you love them, the folks in your life. It's just I am scared every morning robes when I look at that phone for the first time to see what happened overnight, what happened, what's next. I'm nervous about politicians making speech. Like I would hate for anything to happen for what that would do to the country. Yes, it's awful. I'm worried about Jimmy Kimmel, I'm worried about Trump, I'm worried about Newsom. I'm worried about all these folks who put themselves out there in this way and we shouldn't be. This. Do you remember the 60s?

[Amy Robach]

That's what this feels like. I didn't live it, but I've read about it and certainly it was historic enough for all of us to have studied it. But I would also add to what you said because I loved what you just said, to look out for the people in your life, pay attention if someone is in distress, if someone seems obsessed with a situation or apology, just pay attention to the family members, your friends. You know, people always after the fact say, I didn't see it coming or I didn't realize he even, you know, we're hearing from his brother saying, I didn't even know he had political leanings. He was a registered independent. But he there I just like, I know we don't want to think that the people who are around us or in our lives or who love us or who are neighbors are capable of this. But clearly it's happening from school shootings to these political shooters. We need to pay attention to the people around us and support the people who are in our lives to get them the help they need. Because that's a part of this too. Recognizing that there is this potential in a lot of folks and we just need to pay attention and be kind and remember that our words matter.

[TJ Holmes]

So with that, folks, we always appreciate you. We didn't plan on hopping on and didn't think this was going to be the episode we were doing today. But another breaking news story. One dead, at least two in the hospital in critical condition as of this recording after a shooter opens fire at the Dallas ICE facility. The shooter is dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities. We will wait and see with more details and see what the motive might have been here. But folks, be kind, do whatever you can in conversation with anybody you come in contact with, whether that's face to face or on social media. Just do what you can to bring that temperature down a little bit. And for that, I'm TJ Holmes alongside Amy Robach. We'll talk to you soon. Power up fall projects with EGO at Lowe's. Every tool delivers power beyond belief. So whether it's leaves, limbs or lawn cleanup, count on EGO to deliver the power, performance and innovation you need. And now for a limited time, save up to $60 on select blowers, chainsaws and pole saws. Shop EGO today at Lowe's. Offers valid through 101 while supplies last. Selection varies by location.

[Dr. Leslie]

Do you want to hear the secrets of psychopaths, murderers, sex offenders? In this episode, I offer tips from them. I'm Dr. Leslie, forensic psychologist. This is a podcast where I cut through the noise with real talk.

[Amy Robach]

When you were described to me as a forensic psychologist, I was like, snooze. We ended up talking for hours and I was like, this girl is my best friend.

[Dr. Leslie]

Let's talk about safety and strategies to protect yourself and your loved ones. Listen to Intentionally disturbing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology podcast.

[Amy Robach]

Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you.

[TJ Holmes]

When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to the Psychology podcast on the.

[TJ Holmes]

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jenica Lopez]

Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings appearance on the puzzler with A.J. jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land Jeopardy truthers believe in?

[TJ Holmes]

I guess they would be conspiracy theorists. That's right, they give you the answers and you still blew it.

[Jenica Lopez]

The Puzzler listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Dr. Leslie]

This is an iHeart podcast.