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TJ Holmes
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Amy Robach
a remarkable story that is so far from over but 29 years in the making. We're talking about 63 year old Richard Glossip. He was freed from an Oklahoma jail on Thursday on a $500,000 bond to much fanfare. There was cheering, there was crying, tears of joy. My God. Nearly three decades behind bars waiting to die. And he came close multiple times, a bunch of times.
TJ Holmes
We're going to get into some of these instances but we are not overstating that. He did have execution dates set nine different times. He did have a last meal several times. We'll get into how close he came on one of those occasions Robes to being executed. But he is breathing free air today. The this story and robe. We watch a lot of trials and this is why we see judges take attorneys to task for mistakes they make. Anything that could lead to a possible mistrial or bring this into question. And robes to think that mistake like this is unconscionable, that this should be allowed. And somebody was on death row this long based on something robes it sounds like was easily fixable in the moment.
Amy Robach
Look, this even sounds like prosecutorial misconduct is what it sounds like. And look, this case, Glossip's case has garnered international attention. If his name name sounds familiar at all or his case sounds familiar at all, it may be because Kim Kardashian has been on X talking about this case for years now. Susan Sarandon, Dr. Phil. You got celebrities surrounding this man proclaiming his innocence and frustrated that they couldn't get anyone to do anything about it
TJ Holmes
until now and what's being done now. And it we should make clear he is on death row but he is not was never accused of killing anybody with his own hand is what we are talking about. This is a murder for hire situation.
Amy Robach
Yes, he was accused and convicted twice of being the mastermind in the brutal beating death of his boss where he worked at a motel there in Oklahoma. And it was actually in 2025, so it was last year. The Supreme Court throughout that conviction. But he still had to remain behind bars. They would not let him out on bail until yesterday where a judge said the court finds it cannot deny bail to Glossip based on a letter they found from 2023 written and signed by the Oklahoma attorney General acknowledging that the evidence that was presented against him. Now, now that they understand the full scope of it, quote, does not support that he is guilty of first degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. So the judge said, if you actually are acknowledging that, how can you possibly justify keeping him behind bars while he awaits this third trial? And so he ordered bond to be set.
TJ Holmes
This, this is a, this is an argument for why we should get rid of the death penalty. This, this man got that close to death. This, mistakes get made and maybe even well meaning people. But oftentimes we see sometimes, Robes, they're not well meaning. This is a very good argument. We got so close to getting this wrong. Now, is this man innocent? That don't know. I do not know that. But according to the courts right now, Robes, he is. Because the conviction was actually thrown out.
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Amy Robach
The Supreme Court of the United States tossed out his conviction and his death sentence in February of 2025. And look, I don't know how the system works, But June of 2025, another judge said, yep, you still can't get out. I mean, it's crazy. And now finally, he was released yesterday. He has a GPS ankle monitor. He has a 10pm to 7am curfew. He can't have any contact with any potential witnesses, the victim's family members, but he is free for the first time in three decades.
TJ Holmes
They say they're going to retry him. Robes. I guess they are. I guess they will. But this is. Robes. This is a scary, scary story. We, we've heard some of exonerations before, but, but to hear how many times they tried and how close they got to killing him to now, to a point where, Rob, we can say we're leaning more in the direction of that we almost killed an innocent man.
Amy Robach
Yeah. I mean, that is very much where a lot of people stand and it could be proven to be true. He was convicted in 1998. Get your head around that. For the 1997 murder of his former boss, an Oklahoma City motel owner. His boss's name was Barry Van Treece and Van Treese's actual killer and admitted killer. His name is Justin Snead. He was, was 19 years old at the time. And what he basically did is he walked into a room at the motel, room 102, and beat Van Tre to death with a baseball bat. Justin Sneed was on the property. He was basically given a motel room in exchange for being the maintenance man at this motel chain. So that's the connection. And we have Richard Glossip was the motel manager. So the allegation and his conviction was that Glossip, according. The motive, according to prosecutors, and I guess according to Justin Sneed himself, was that he had been embezzling funds, didn't want to get fired, and so he asked. He asked me to kill his boss so that he could become the motel manager and not get caught for embezzlement.
TJ Holmes
That's a hell of a motive. Didn't see all that evidence at trial and don't know what records they have financially and whatever else. But from all intents and purposes, and by all accounts, Robes, that we can see overwhelmingly, the. The evidence connecting Gloss up to the crime was this guy and this guy's word alone.
Amy Robach
Correct. And here is the deal. Prosecutors knew that Justin Sneed was giving false testimony, at least in part of his testimony, did not reveal or convey that to jurors who didn't get to take that into consideration when they heard Justin Sneed testify against his, I guess, co worker, so to speak. Or I guess his boss as well, too. So this is what Justin Justice Sotomayor wrote for the reason why they allowed him now to get out on bond and to overturn the conviction. That correction of the testimony would have revealed to the jury not just that Sneed was untrustworthy, but also that Sneed was willing to lie to them under oath. And with that in mind, they had to throw out the conviction. And that makes sense because according to everyone, Justin Sneed, his testimony against Glossip is the only actual evidence against Glossip. So if you can't trust his testimony, it will be interesting to see what the prosecution will be able to present to the jury this time around.
TJ Holmes
Have the option. They didn't have the context. The jury didn't have it. And they could have made a different decision. They could have thought, okay, yeah, he lied about that other stuff, but I believe him on this. Sure, maybe they could have, but they didn't get that option. And because of that, this guy should get another trial. And ropes. Oh, man, that's. That's. That's a travesty. And. And as we sit here, he's innocent. So I. I don't know, Robes. This is terrifying stuff.
Amy Robach
Yeah.
TJ Holmes
About our justice system. It is scary.
Amy Robach
And when we. I'm gonna go through how this all happened. It's fascinating. And you can see how it happened. So the murder happens January 7, 1997. Again, Sneed staying at the motel as a maintenance worker. Glossip is the motel manager. We have the owner, Barry Van Treese, beaten to death with a Baseball bat. And Glossip initially denied knowing about the killing, but then later to police admitted that he knew because Sneed told him he killed him. Right. So Glossip is initially just charged with accessory after the fact. So that's the only charge against him. Sneed's charged with the murder, Glossip gets accessory after the fact. But then Sneed testified the Glossip asked him to kill Van Treese, to run the motel himself, and offered him $10,000. And so then police went to him or investigators, prosecutors went to Glossip and said, hey, we know that you actually were the mastermind, so if you just plead guilty, we'll give you a life sentence. He said, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm innocent. Prosecutors then offered Sneed, hey, if you'll testify, we'll offer you life in prison and we won't pursue the death penalty. He took the deal. And so then prosecutors upgraded Glossip's charge to capital murder, painted him as the mastermind, and had Sneed as the star witness.
TJ Holmes
That could all be true. But prove it, that's all. Is this every word of that? Their theory of the crime could still be true. This under oath liar could be telling the truth about the one thing. Yes, maybe. But is that enough to convict the guy and put him on death row? I don't know. That's up to a jury to decide. But if the jury, you get an UN man, you have to have a perfect trial. Robes is close to it if you're going to send somebody to death. So again, when we first started, it comes as we talk about it more, the gravity of what this is the exact thing we can never let happen. And we see a walking, talking, breathing example of how close we got screwing this up.
Amy Robach
Yeah. And 29 years if, if, if even.
TJ Holmes
That is, if Gloss. Yes.
Amy Robach
If Glossip is in fact innocent. He has lost, Pam, 29 years of his life. When we come back, we are going to tell you because he has been convicted not once, but twice, and he is facing his third trial, what is in store for him and just how close he came to being executed? Wait until you hear how he was hours away from lethal injection. If you're always on the lookout for a great audiobook or just want help figuring out what to listen to next, There's a podcast you should know about.
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Robert Smigel
Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier this week. My guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. The worst singer in the group. The worst. Yeah, me. Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge
TJ Holmes
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Robert Smigel
The Harvard Yard. But they're open.
Amy Robach
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Amy Robach
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Amy Robach
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TJ Holmes
No, this guy is. I mean, he's been through it. And I said pay him earlier. I mean, pay him for the wrongful conviction. You might need to pay him for pain and suffering at this point for what you put. That's mental anguish that this guy has gone through. And again, he, at this point, ropes. He is an innocent man. So what we're looking at is I don't know how robes we. I don't know how we can be supportive of this ceremony. We keep going through. We wait 40 years to execute somebody just to make sure. Well, we waited 30 years and we got this one wrong.
Amy Robach
Yeah.
TJ Holmes
So it. Time doesn't even help. It seems sometimes if this had been waited out to the reason. The only reason this dude is alive is because they screwed up the drugs.
Amy Robach
Yes.
TJ Holmes
Not because, oops, Supreme Court stepped in. Oops, we think he might be innocent. No, no, no. We just screw ups with the drugs.
Amy Robach
Yeah. And by the way, if he had been executed, then we wouldn't even be talking about this. There would be no rallying cry to prove his innocence because no one wants to admit. Certainly not a state or any prosecutor or anyone involved in administering the punishment would want to admit or acknowledge even, or investigate whether or not they got it wrong. There's no incentive. Now, his first trial, by the way, he was convicted, but that conviction was thrown out because of a defense attorney issue, some legal defense attorney issue. So he gets a second trial, he's convicted and sentenced to death for a second time. And by the way, he. Each time we have sneed testifying against Glossip. So this third trial, now, the. The trial date has not been set. He does have a court date. His next court date is June 23rd. And look, the state of Oklahoma is maintaining they have, quote, strong evidence against Glossip. But they do also say Snead, the man in question, the man whose testimony the Supreme Court of the United States and even the attorney general said is not trustworthy, he is going to be testifying against Glossip once again in this third trial. This will certainly be a spectacle to watch, but in the meantime, he's home with a few restrictions, but he is a free man with an ankle monitor. And we will, of course, continue to follow this very much developing story. In the meantime, though, thank you, as always, for listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon. This is an I Heart podcast, guaranteed human.
This episode covers the astonishing case of Richard Glossip, a 63-year-old Oklahoma man released after 29 years on death row, following nine scheduled execution dates and three “last meals.” Amy Robach and TJ Holmes explore the legal missteps, the dubious evidence, and the broader implications for the death penalty, asking pointed questions about justice and wrongful convictions. The story is ongoing, with Glossip free on bond as he awaits a third trial.
Richard Glossip’s Release: Freed on a $500,000 bond after decades of legal limbo and failed executions (02:52).
Nine Execution Dates, Three Last Meals:
Not the Killer: Glossip was never accused of personally killing anyone. The case was a “murder for hire” scenario (04:33).
The Crime:
Convicted Twice, Facing Third Trial:
Dubious Testimony:
Supreme Court Intervention:
Death Penalty Critique:
Public & Celebrity Outcry:
Pending Third Trial:
The Emotional and Human Cost:
The episode is somber, urgent, and incredulous. Amy and TJ express outrage and disbelief at the justice system’s failures, the reliance on untrustworthy witnesses, and the extraordinary risks of the death penalty. They emphasize that Glossip’s story is ongoing and urge listeners to consider the human and societal cost of wrongful convictions, especially when the ultimate punishment is at stake.