Double Suicide or Something More Sinister

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Double Suicide or Something More Sinister"

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode Air Date: October 11, 2025
Main Theme:
An in-depth exploration of the mysterious deaths of 19-year-old twin brothers, Nazir and Kadir Lewis, found shot dead on Bell Mountain, Georgia, in March 2025—a case ruled as double suicide by authorities but fiercely contested by their family. Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes discuss newly surfaced evidence, lingering questions, and community reactions, as reported by a recently obtained Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) file.

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Episode Overview

• Purpose: The hosts aim to examine the official narrative and the family's doubts surrounding the Lewis twins' deaths. They sift through new GBI evidence reported by CNN, analyze troubling inconsistencies, and consider parallels to another, equally mysterious, local suicide case.
• Tone: Sympathetic, analytical, at times incredulous; both hosts balance empathy for the family with scrutiny of available facts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Background and Timeline

• The twin brothers, Nazir and Kadir Lewis, were inseparable, living with their father and stepmother in Lawrenceville, Georgia, an idyllic suburb north of Atlanta ([03:49], [04:43]).
• On March 7, 2025, the twins left home, got gas and snacks, and drove nearly 90 miles north to Bell Mountain near Hiawassee—a remote, mountainous area along the North Carolina border ([06:38], [07:05]).
• Their bodies were found by a student hiker 12 hours later, lying side by side, with legs straight, arms outstretched, and an anime sword near them ([07:05]).

2. Official Ruling: Double Suicide

• GBI findings: Both boys fired the same stolen .45 caliber 1911-style gun at contact range (gun pressed to the head), indicating no murder-suicide ([08:09], [08:57]).
• Forensics, Google searches about suicide and firearms, and a FaceTime call showing the gun were cited as evidence ([09:48], [10:37], [11:21]).
• A note regarding returning a borrowed camera (not a suicide note) and a newly purchased rope were found in their vehicle ([10:37]).

3. Family’s Deep-Dyed Doubts

• Their family adamantly rejects the suicide theory, pointing to the twins’ recent travel and shopping plans—including a flight Nazir had booked to Boston to visit his girlfriend the day of their deaths ([11:21]):

  “How does this kid go from making and having a plan to spend the weekend with his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night?”
  — TJ Holmes [11:55]

• Both were described as calm, peaceful, and happy; family insists they’d never discussed harm or violence ([12:36]).

4. Strange and Incongruent Details

• The positioning of the bodies (legs straight, arms outstretched) “almost looked like the bodies were positioned” rather than fallen naturally ([07:05], [08:09]).

• The gun was stolen from Powder Springs, GA, but no connection was established as to how they obtained it ([08:57]).

• The hike itself raises questions: the twins weren't hikers, had no knowledge of the mountain, and made their ascent at night—such trails are “difficult… to navigate even in the daylight,” Amy Robach points out ([17:08]):

  “How did they make it in the dark all the way up to the summit to do this? It makes no sense.”
  — Amy Robach [17:08]

5. Digital Evidence & Police Justification

• Authorities uncovered damning digital evidence: searches for “loading a gun”, “2024 suicide rates”, and morbid queries such as “what is it like getting shot at?” and “should you shoot at an angle?” ([25:14]).
• Authorities also found a notebook in Kadir’s backpack titled “Journey to the afterlife” ([25:14]).

6. Unanswered Questions & Psychological Factors

• The immense psychological leap required for both twins to supposedly die by suicide together is highlighted (“That is a whole other level of questions... It just seems so highly unlikely” — Amy Robach [12:36]).

• TJ questions the mechanics:

  “Somebody had to do this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself and then immediately did the same. That… is the part that…”
  — TJ Holmes [16:26]

• They also discuss the unique closeness of twins, but struggle to accept it explains the situation ([14:15]).

7. A Pattern—or Something More Sinister?

• Just weeks after the twins’ deaths, a 38-year-old man from Gwinnett County (their home county) also died by suicide at the exact same mountaintop ([27:27]).

• His family similarly disputes the suicide ruling. Now, both families are calling for an independent investigation ([29:04], [29:29]):

  “So now these two families have actually connected because none of them believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide.”
  — Amy Robach [27:27]

8. Next Steps and Emotional Resonance

• The twins' family plans to hire a private investigator. Both hosts affirm the need for further investigation, empathy, and full transparency ([29:04], [29:29]).

• Amy highlights the natural skepticism families feel when authorities settle on suicide in odd circumstances:

  “You turn over every rock... before accepting what police just hand you and say this is what happened.”
  — Amy Robach [29:29]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the physical scene:

  “The main thing is the way the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what you would consider a suicide situation.”
  — Cited by TJ Holmes [08:09]

• On the psychological toll:

  “It’s gutting to think that they could have actually been in the same place at the same time… That is a whole other level of questions.”
  — Amy Robach [12:36]

• On digital clues:

  “Searches for loading a gun… suicide rates… videos titled ‘What is it like getting shot at?’ … certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate what GBI officials are now saying.”
  — Amy Robach [25:14]

• On community unease:

  “Within the span of a few months, you have three men all dying by suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the same area… It just adds to the mystery.”
  — Amy Robach [27:27]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Case Introduction & Family Background: [03:08] – [05:36]
• Timeline of Last Day & Discovery: [06:38] – [08:09]
• GBI Forensics & Digital Evidence: [08:57] – [11:55]
• Family Perspective & Psychological Questions: [12:36] – [17:08]
• Digital Search and New ‘Afterlife’ Evidence: [25:14] – [26:42]
• Revelation of Additional Suicide (38-year-old man): [27:27] – [29:04]
• Private Investigation and Closing Thoughts: [29:04] – [30:24]

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Takeaways

• The authorities’ suicide ruling is supported by forensics and digital findings but contradicted by personal, behavioral, and circumstantial inconsistencies.
• The families' pain is compounded by both the official narrative and eerie patterns in local tragedies.
• Hosts cultivate empathy while neither accepting nor dismissing the official findings, insisting the case—like so many tragedies—deserves every possible answer explored.

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For listeners who haven’t heard the episode: this investigation into an agonizing loss lays bare the limits of official answers, the power of community skepticism, and the sheer weight of the unknown in the wake of tragedy.

Transcript

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Saturday, October 11th. Twins, 19 year old twins found dead, both shot in a remote trail on a Georgia mountain. The authorities have closed the case, saying it was a double suicide. The boy's family say ain't no way. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes's case did get a lot of attention initially, is getting more now because new information has come out and this is a deepening mystery. And some of these details are just on both sides are just kind of head scratching.

[Amy Roach]

Yes, we have been reading in on this story and it began on March 7th of this year and still today, October 11th, there are so many questions about what actually happened that led to the death of Nazir and Kadir Lewis. Again, twins, from the way their body was positioned to why they were there in the first place, to the plans they had that made family members believe and still believe to this day that they had no intention of ending their lives. It's just, it's mysterious and it's alarming and there are no clear answers. Although, like you said, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation says they know what happened. Case closed, we're done. Investigation over.

[TJ Holmes]

But it's such a bizarre story that by all accounts counts. These two young men were very inseparable. Again, twins, 19 year old young black men. They even shared a vehicle, but they stayed at home. They lived at home with their dad and their stepmom. So that's a set in Lawrenceville, Georgia. You know the area better. So give the idea for people that don't know where that is in the state.

[Amy Roach]

Yeah, Lawrenceville, Georgia is in the heart of Gwinnett County. It's where I grew up. It's where I went to middle school and high school. My whole family still lives in that area. It's a beautiful part just north of Atlanta and a the kind of your idyllic suburb of Atlanta, Georgia, where honestly the big water tower there, if you've passed through, says Gwinnett is great. And that is kind of the community that it is. It's just a, it's a peaceful, beautiful place to grow up.

[TJ Holmes]

So we're trying to or the family is looking for Answers. Now, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation says this was a double suicide. The family says no, But Robed, you go through and some of the evidence, if you will, on both sides of this point to, yeah, this kind of looks like it could have been a double suicide. And then you hear other details and go, wait a minute, there's no way. So this week we're talking about it because CNN reportedly has gotten their hands on this Georgia Bureau of Investigation file on this particular case. And there's some new details coming out that I guess robes don't necessarily clear things up.

[Amy Roach]

No. In fact, we were actually looking at some of the initial news reports coming out of the Atlanta area that actually completely do not jibe with what CNN is now reporting is actually in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation files. So it's unclear where the truth lies. And I don't know that anyone's going to feel comfortable with it, especially not family members at this point.

[TJ Holmes]

No. So what we're talking about is earlier this year, we're talking about the night of 7th. That was a Friday night. These boys, Nazir and Kadir, they take off in their car. They're seen at a grocery state, the gas station, I should say. They got gas, they got beef jerky, they got water and drove off into the night. Now, they drove from where they were some 90 miles north to and you break this down, Hiawassee versus Blue Mountain. Where were they exactly?

[Amy Roach]

Hiawassee. I actually am very familiar with that area, too. It's a beautiful area in the Georgia mountains, the North Georgia mountains, right along the North Carolina border. A lot of wooded trails. It's just a playground for hikers. Folks love this area. My parents love this area. I've been up there with them hiking. So it is a remote area. Now, these two were found on a summit. It was called Bell Mountain in the Blue Mountain Trail, along the Blue Mountain Trail. And hikers, actually, another student hiker, I believe, found their bodies some 12 hours later lying side by side. Their this is how their bodies were described as legs straight, arms outstretched and anime, an anime sword by both of them. They were fans of anime, but it just almost looked like the bodies were positioned. It doesn't seem as though that were the that could have possibly been the way two bodies would fall if each of them died by suicide, sharing the gun one after the other, the way.

[TJ Holmes]

Police say it happened to that point, the lawyer. That was one of the things they said, quote, the main thing is the way the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what you would consider a suicide situation. Again, this was considered a double suicide and the case has been closed. The gun was found in between the legs of one of the boys particular weapon, a.45 caliber 1911 style gun. That's relevant. We'll get more into that in a second. But a specific gun, this gun, they don't know how the boys got it, Rose, but this was a gun that was reported stolen. They don't know how it came into their possession, but it had been reported stolen from Powder Springs, Georgia. If you know the area, it's about 50 miles from Lawrenceville. So it is in the area. But they don't know how it ended up with him.

[Amy Roach]

So that's a big question mark there. But when you actually look at the GBI investigation, they say that the forensics that they took show that both boys fired the gun. So it wasn't a murder suicide. It was, according to the gbi, a double suicide where one brother shot the gun, killed himself, the other brother takes the gun and shoots himself. Both of the wounds were considered contact range, meaning it was a gun up to the head, pressed against the side of the head. And one brother, according to the investigation, actually FaceTime, a friend ahead of time showing this girl the gun that they had and they claim it's the same gun that was used in the double suicide.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, so it's these things are, these are the things that are they're trying to piece together because none of this makes sense to the family and in some regards it doesn't make sense with the GBI investigation either. They do have, according to authorities, several Google searches that suggest that the boys were thinking about suicide. They also, even though the family said these guys were, were solid and happy, the GBI investigation showed that they did have evidence that they had struggled with stress and in particular financial pressures. I think the dad had had a stroke and I think that put a little more strain on the family and maybe on the boys. But there was a suggestion that that even had an impact on their mental health, that even the family didn't know about it. They had only shared with maybe some friends.

[Amy Roach]

Yes. And the gun that they recovered did have just two spent shells. And they also noted that there was a note left behind. Not a suicide note of any kind, but there was a note that the boys left behind for their stepmother to read saying, please return to my Uncle Raheem. It was a camera that they had borrow, take some photographs of. So they point to that as well, saying they were, you know, tying up loose ends, making sure. Something they had borrowed was given back to the person they borrowed it from. And they also made note that there was a newly purchased rope in the vehicle that the brothers left behind parked at the trailhead there at the North Georgia mountains.

[TJ Holmes]

Take that to mean whatever it could possibly mean. But it was noted. Now, the parts of this that the family will point to was the boys behavior ahead of time before all this took place. They were doing normal stuff. They were out shopping, they were making plans, even travel plans in particular. Now, the night that the boys went off and then ended up dead, Nazir had a flight booked that day going to Boston. Now, he got to the airport. According to this file, he actually reached out to the person he was going to visit, his girlfriend in Boston.

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[TJ Holmes]

And yes, in very much this generation's language, he text her saying, I'm cooked because of the TSA line. I think he included a picture. So they authorities like, yeah, he was at the airport. So how does this kid go from making and having a plan to spend the weekend with his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night? So he misses the flight and makes a plan with her that gonna reschedule, gonna come tomorrow. That's fine. How do you go? This is what the family is struggling with in some details like that. How could a guy was coming hang out with his girlfriend, he was literally at the airport and that same night decides suicide.

[Amy Roach]

And look, I think it's one thing for one person to die by suicide, and that's hard enough for a family to get their head around. What did I miss? What warning signs did I not see? How did I not know my loved one was struggling? That's such a specific and individual experience that we can't possibly try to get our heads around. But to know that two people, and I know they're identical twins and I know they were close, could come to the same conclusion at the same time and decide to do it together, that is a whole other level of questions. And it just seems so highly unlikely. I don't care how much DNA you share, that you would both feel the same with different experiences. One has a girlfriend, one has friends, they have plans. They're 19 years old, for God's sakes. Their whole lives are in front of them. It's just. It's gutting to think that they could have actually been in the same place at the same time. And who knows, could. Could the airport situation have just been the final straw? It sounds silly, but sometimes if you're teetering on the edge of what to do and feeling lost and hopeless. One small, seemingly insignificant thing could send you over the edge of I don't know. But it's. The family isn't buying it. The family says without a doubt these two were inseparable. Yes, but they never ever talked about harm, talked about violence, never even got into a fistfight with one another. They said these were calm, peaceful, relatively happy young men as far as everyone in their family could see.

[TJ Holmes]

But are they also, and we have seen stories before of twins, right, Being incredibly connected in all kinds of ways and even transitioning later in life to. In the same ways that are bizarre. Is it. They might come across as bizarre to us, that that's possible. But is that. Could that be a case to where, yes, they had sets of friends and whatnot, but they say they were so close that their lives were so closely aligned. I mean, they shared a car, they lived together. Right. Are they so closely in line that their experiences did result in these two people with the exact same DNA experiencing those things the same way and leading to the same feelings within them? I think that's just fascinating. It's wild to imagine just the human body being able to do that, to replicate that the mind be able to do that.

[Amy Roach]

I know it sounds. And I obviously, yes, that's so fascinating. And you and I and anyone who isn't a twin can't imagine what that feeling is like. But it's just remarkable to think that something, a decision like this could be made together. And look, I don't know what anyone goes through right before they make this ultimate decision. But part of it, I. I had thought, and maybe this is where I am wrong, loneliness would be a huge part of it, or despair or hopelessness. But if you've got this person in life who knows what you're feeling and knows what you're thinking and can commiserate with you in every way, that's enough. Like you've got your person. Like they, they were almost, yes, tied by DNA and through experience they had each other. So that's what actually is also concerning to me to think about just on a human level, that they had one another, they weren't lonely in the sense that they had each other. So why do this without any explanation, without any note knowing they were going to leave family members, girlfriends, fathers, stepmothers with questions and despair like that just seems so hard to get your head around.

[TJ Holmes]

So that's the point and what you deserve. We don't know these boys at all. And even from what we are reading and what we're gathering this sounds so out of left field. So imagine how the family feels trying to accept the answer that these two decided to do this. And look we I was talking to you about this ahead of time. There's one gun. Somebody had to do this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself and then immediately did the same. That what is happening in life that that scenario is possible. I don't. That is the part that what and the family isn't.

[Amy Roach]

The family said someone took these two. They've never gone hiking. They don't like hiking. They don't know the area. They wouldn't know a trail especially in the middle of the night to make it up to this summit. This isn't something area that they know to traverse. Trails are hard to. This is. I'm a avid hiker. Trails are difficult in that area especially to navigate in the daylight when you know where you're going when you know where the markings are on the trees to follow the trail to get to the summit. So that's part of their argument. They didn't know this area, they didn't go hiking. How did they make it in the dark all the way up to the summit to do this? It makes no sense.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, so that's some of what the file said is going on. But stay here. We will tell you about now the digital the digital evidence that authorities got from their phones that adds to the mystery. But some are saying it actually is why they have closed this case.

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[Amy Roach]

Foreign.

[TJ Holmes]

We continue now here on Amy and tj. The mystery continues. Some new questions have now arose after the GBI report. Georgia bureau investigation report has been not released but obtained by cnn giving us new details about a story that got a lot of attention and some national attention. Twin brothers Nazir and Kadir Lewis, twin brothers. It was ruled a double suicide on a Georgia mountain there on the North Carolina border. But the family is not buying it. And now this new report is giving some new details. And among those details, robes is a lot of stuff that they got from the young men's phone, including the fact that they watched a video about the gun that they had this 1911 gun. Even if you're not a gun enthusiast, you see this gun and you recognize it because it's in a lot of movies. It's just a very popular style of gun. So they watched a video on it. But robes they also had several searches, specific Google searches that they did that I guess kind of, yes, tell their own story.

[Amy Roach]

The only way you could try to get your head around these Google searches is if somebody, according to the family, if someone did this to them, if they aren't responsible for their own deaths, then someone would have had to elaborately go into their phones and create these searches. And who knows. But the GBI said that the Internet history from their cell phones showed this searches for loading a gun. They also apparently searched for 20, 24 suicide rates. A search of Nazeer's phone turned up videos titled what is it like getting shot at? And should you shoot at an angle? So those very specific Internet searches on their phones certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate what GBI officials are now saying is and was a double suicide. Something else that was interesting they found in the backpack that was not near their bodies apparently, but in the backpack of Kadir there was a notebook that was that had the title Journey to the afterlife. So there are plenty of fairly significant pieces of evidence that the police are pointing to to say this corroborates our theory or at least our, our decision. We've ruled these deaths a double suicide.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. Kadir Nazir Lewis. Well, this is in. Even if it did happen that way, I want to know more about these young men. Like I want to hear about their lives, their story. Like what was going on with them to get them to this place. I think that it is a fascinating place to get in learning about twins. Like how do you get to this exact same place of despair that you want to end your life? Are you that close with your. I don't know. I don't get. And again, I certainly don't get how you could watch your twin shoot himself in the head and then a moment later do the same thing to yourself.

[Amy Roach]

You must be desperate.

[TJ Holmes]

That's tough.

[Amy Roach]

And. And unfortunately not. Neither one of them, this is true, felt like they could share this with anyone else other than with each other. Now, complicating this mystery just a bit, I wanted to point out a short time after these two boys bodies were found, the body of a 38 year old man was discovered in the same location. That is bizarre. His death was also classified as a suicide. But get this all Three of these men lived in Gwinnett county at the time of their deaths. And all of them ended up on this mountaintop on Bell Mountain in the north Georgia mountains, just five miles away from Hiawassee, Georgia. And so now these two famil have actually connected because none of them believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide. And so they've actually gotten together. They're calling for an independent investigation. But they say that this other man, this 38 year old, was a generous, well known figure in the local skateboarding community. He was a caring person. He was not the type of person who would ever, they say, his family members say, take his own life. So it just adds to the mystery that, that now within the span of a few months, you have three men all dying by suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the same area. No obvious other known connection between the two. But certainly it's another puzzling component to a tragic, tragic situation that doesn't really have a satisfying answer for anybody.

[TJ Holmes]

And they are not, we should note, the families are not not letting this go and letting this rest. Family at least of the twins is looking to hire a private investigator to look into this independently. And we will keep an eye on that. But, but really this is not a at by any means a closed case. Even if it did happen the way the authorities say it happened. I still would like to hear more about this case.

[Amy Roach]

Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Put yourself in this family's position and anybody who felt just completely blindsided by something this tragic and this horrific with enough question marks because you just start to think if something happened to them, could someone be covering their tracks by making it look like a suicide. That is an absolute genuine response. I mean, I understand that. And at the very least you just want to make sure you turned over every rock you made sure you looked at at every possible scenario before accepting what police just hand you and say this is what happened. Because there is no one saw it happen. There's the only two people who know what happened, at least from what we know, are those two young men. And it's worth an investigation. I would want to do the same if that were my family member.

[TJ Holmes]

Well folks, we'll keep an eye on it. We always appreciate you hanging with us. For now. I'm TJ Holmes on behalf of my partner, Amy Roach. We'll talk to y' all soon.

[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Snax from Trap Nerds]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Ana Ortiz and Mark Indelicato]

It's Ana Ortiz and I'm Markin Delicato. You might know us as Hilda and Justin from Ugly Betty. Welcome to our new podcast, Be My Baddie.

[Amy Roach]

Yay.

[Ana Ortiz and Mark Indelicato]

We're re watching the series from start to finish and getting into all the fashions, the drama and the behind the scenes moments that you've never heard before. But you were still bartending. I didn't know that. The bar back is like, is that you and I? And it's a commercial for Betty. And I was like, I gotta go.

[TJ Holmes]

I quit.

[Ana Ortiz and Mark Indelicato]

Listen to Viva Betty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's health and gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you.

[Finance Podcast Host]

100% of women go through menopause. Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Snax from Trap Nerds]

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the trapped nerds. And all October long, we're bringing you the horror.

[Kalpen (Kal Penn)]

Boogity, boogity, boogity. We kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified.

[Snax from Trap Nerds]

Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween and figuring out why black people always die first.

[Kalpen (Kal Penn)]

And it's the return of Tony's horror show side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary and we'll cap it.

[Snax from Trap Nerds]

Off with a horror movie battle royale. Open your free AHA Radio app and search Trapped Nerds podcast and listen now.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Federal Agent or Investigator]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Maggie Freeling]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what the hell?

[Federal Agent or Investigator]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app.

[TJ Holmes]

App.

[Narrator of Chinatown Sting]

Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

This is an iHeart podcast.