Epstein Files: Where Are They, Why Have Some Disappeared, Then Reappeared, And Will We Ever See ALL Of Them?

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Podcast Summary

Episode Overview

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode Title: Epstein Files: Where Are They, Why Have Some Disappeared, Then Reappeared, And Will We Ever See ALL Of Them?
Date: December 22, 2025

Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes discuss the chaotic and controversial Department of Justice release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. The episode centers on the questions and frustrations surrounding the incomplete document dump, the disappearance and reappearance of certain files, public skepticism about official explanations, and ongoing concerns over government transparency and accountability regarding the Epstein case.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Disappointing “Epstein Files” Release

• Expectation vs. Reality:
  The DOJ had promised a dump of the Epstein files by midnight on Friday but failed to deliver fully. Only some documents were released, some files disappeared, and others reappeared over the weekend, leading to immense public suspicion.

  • Amy Robach (02:35):
    "It was supposed to be a Department of Justice dump on all of the Epstein files, but now the questions are, what is actually in the files? Why have some disappeared over the weekend and then some of them reappeared? And where the hell are the rest of them? There are a lot of questions..."

• Lack of Transparency:
  Both hosts agree that the way the DOJ handled the release undermined trust and fueled conspiracy theories.

  • T.J. Holmes (04:34):
    "There won't be any transparency. I believe, until someone that the public at least believes is in no way connected to it and has every incentive to get everything out."

• Headline Issues:
  Much attention was devoted to embarrassing but non-criminal photos of former President Bill Clinton, while pictures of Donald Trump seemed to be missing and then reappeared, further stoking disbelief.

2. Missing, Disappearing, and Redacted Files

• Vanished Photos:
  Specific images—such as a photo of Trump, Epstein, Melania, and Ghislaine, and another of Trump with bikini-clad women—briefly disappeared, raising eyebrows. The DOJ claimed concern for victim privacy, but public skepticism remained high.

  • Amy Robach (07:28):
    "They did say that it was the Southern District of New York that flagged some of the photos because they were concerned that maybe some victims might have been depicted in these photos…"
  • T.J. Holmes (07:46):
    "And they have legitimate reasons not to buy it."

• Redacted Grand Jury Document:
  A hotly anticipated grand jury testimony was released fully blacked out; after outcry, a more legible version was later provided. This new testimony confirmed that FBI agents and DOJ officials knew of Epstein's crimes as early as the 1990s.

  • Amy Robach (08:57):
    "...all described the exact same behavior by Jeffrey Epstein, and the government chose to do nothing about it. So I do think in that particular transcript, there is some feeling of validation..."

3. Public Distrust and Political Gamesmanship

• No Satisfying the Public:
  The hosts express a sense of futility, predicting that no matter how many documents are released or how few redactions are made, many will never believe the full truth is out.

  • T.J. Holmes (13:38):
    "So the point being that this is pointless, that no one is ever going to believe it's a circus."
  • Amy Robach (13:49):
    "...There'll never be an ending that's satisfactory to everyone and maybe even to anyone. I don't know anyone who feels satisfied right now..."

• Scale of the Files:
  Noted attorney Todd Blanche claimed the DOJ has over 3.6 million records relating to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, with hundreds of thousands more files anticipated soon.

  • Amy Robach (09:55):
    "Federal prosecutors have more than 3.6 million records from sex trafficking investigations involving Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. 3.6 million records."

• Rolling Release & Deadline Dodging:
  The DOJ says documents will now be released "on a rolling basis," with no set timeline, effectively ducking accountability and hoping the public loses interest.

  • Amy Robach (12:03):
    "...they’re literally giving themselves no actual further deadline..."

4. Congressional Threats and Further Posturing

• Calls for Accountability:
  Bipartisan co-sponsors of the transparency bill (Rep. Massie, Republican, and Rep. Ro Khanna, Democrat) now threaten possible inherent contempt charges against Attorney General Pam Bondi for noncompliance—though neither host believes this will actually happen.

  • Amy Robach (19:59):
    "That would be Pam Bondi... until he or she honors congressional demands."
  • T.J. Holmes (20:01):
    "That won't happen. That won't happen."

• Ro Khanna vs. Massie:
  Massie is portrayed as more aggressive about holding Bondi personally responsible, while Khanna stresses that the real goal is justice for victims and exposing predators.

5. Victims’ Voices and the Media Circus

• Some Victims Vindicated:
  The partially unredacted FBI testimony validating that the government knew of Epstein’s abuse was referenced as a “triumph and a tragedy” for survivors—relief in being heard, sorrow in the inaction.

  • Amy Robach (23:18):
    "They said that they thought for years to get that document and documents that support that type of testimony so that people could see that the government did know and chose to do nothing."

• Media’s Focus:
  Both hosts criticize the way coverage has focused more on political drama and salacious headlines than on victims or possible government failings.

  • Amy Robach (25:01):
    "...It’s become a way to drum up support for your individual campaign... It has nothing to do with actually finding the truth."

• Public Fatigue:
  There’s a sense that the government’s muddy process is designed to wear out public interest.

  • Amy Robach (26:18):
    "You get to a point where it’s almost as if I feel like the government’s hoping to confuse you, frustrate you."
  • T.J. Holmes (26:19):
    "Check. Check enough that you just say, I don’t even care anymore..."

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Trust in Government:
  • Amy Robach (13:49):
    "Who trusts our government these days? Like, who trusts our government?"
• On the Futility of Full Transparency:
  • T.J. Holmes (12:55):
    "If there are five words redacted out of those 3 million documents, people will say those are the five most important words and that the administration is hiding something."
• On Politicization:
  • Amy Robach (25:01):
    "...It has become a political hot potato... it really has just become a game of reelection, a game of power. It has nothing to do with actually finding the truth."
• On Accountability for Officials:
  • T.J. Holmes (20:33):
    "They escalated an already heated environment by now, saying, we are threatening to imprison you. This is what we’re doing now."
• On Survivors' Feelings:
  • Amy Robach (23:18):
    "It’s a triumph and a tragedy. It looks like the government did absolutely nothing. Horrible things have happened, and if they investigated in even the smallest way, they could have stopped him."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:35] – Introduction of the missing/disappearing files issue
• [04:16] – DOJ’s transparency questioned; release described as “worse” than no release
• [07:28] – The controversy over disappearing photos and the DOJ’s explanation
• [08:57] – Grand jury testimony document, initially fully redacted, then partially released
• [09:55] – Scale of records (3.6 million) and future document releases
• [12:03] – DOJ dodges deadlines with “rolling release”
• [18:08] – Segment shift to congressional reactions and accountability
• [19:59] – Congressional threats of contempt charges against AG Pam Bondi
• [23:18] – Lawyer representing survivors on validation and frustration
• [25:01] – Discussion of the politicization and sidelining of victims’ stories
• [26:18] – Sense of public confusion and fatigue

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Tone & Language

The hosts maintain a candid, frustrated tone, blending dry humor with earnest concern. They openly criticize both sides of the political spectrum, question government motives, and voice particular empathy for victims. Their conversational style is skeptical, sometimes resigned, and always attentive to the ensuing circus both in media and policy.

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Conclusion

This episode gave a comprehensive, skeptical look at the DOJ’s mishandling of the Epstein files release, focusing on why full transparency remains elusive, how government actions fuel conspiracy and fatigue, and how political posturing overshadows both truth and justice for victims. While key new revelations (such as the FBI's early knowledge of Epstein’s offenses) provide limited vindication, the overall process remains mired in redactions, vanished files, and public suspicion. The co-hosts pledge ongoing scrutiny—even as much of the public, wearied by drama and delay, tunes out.

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[C]

Surprised they admitted it? I'm surprised. I didn't think it would. The end. No matter what, they're going to still be people out there who say something's missing or people are going to say that expected that stuff, but they flat out said, yeah, we, we not, we're not ready. We'll get it to you when we damn well please. That surprised me.

[A]

That is surprising. And then the headlines also, that at least 16 files that appeared on Friday night suddenly were gone on Saturday. If the whole point of this was transparency, I feel like the Department of Justice accomplished the exact opposite.

[C]

There won't be any transparency. I believe, until someone that the public at least believes is in no way connected to it and has every incentive to get everything out. And that might be years and years down the road, but as long as this administration is there, no one's ever going to believe that this Department of Justice is going to put everything out to either because they believe it's either going to hurt Trump or hurt his allies. Nobody will ever be convinced. So here we go.

[A]

Here we go. But I feel like this made it worse. I don't think it made it better. I feel like it made it worse. What stood out to you? We saw the headlines over the weekend and look, a lot of pictures of former President Bill Clinton came out that were embarrassing, maybe, but they weren't criminal. They didn't point to any illegal activities or behavior and really bolstered what he's been saying all along. However, probably didn't feel great to see those photos released. And it seems like there were a lot of photos of Bill Clinton and not so many of President Trump.

[C]

Shocker. And that was one of the biggest issues with this release of documents over the weekend, is because there was a photo of Trump that people were aware of that disappeared and then came back, and then there was an explanation for why that took place. So that makes you think, well, what else have they done like that There is nobody who trusts this process. So this was a long exercise in what? Because until robes something is released that shows in some people's minds that Trump is a criminal, nobody's ever gonna be happy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So just deal with it.

[A]

So that image you were talking about, there was particularly an image of Jeffrey Epstein's desk, or credenza, whatever you want to call it. And it had a bunch of photos on top of the desk and then inside a drawer that was pulled. And among the photos, there was a photo of Trump, Epstein, Melania, and Ghislaine all together. And I feel like we've seen that photo before, but it was there. And then there was another one with Trump before he was president, alongside some bikini clad women. So that photo just, poof, went away on Saturday. It was gone. And so Democrats on the House Oversight Committee went and took it to Twitter and said, or sorry, X and said, what else is being covered up? We need transparency for the American people. So. So then the Department of Justice put that picture back up. I just think it's one of those things where it's a problem. They take it down, and when people get upset about it, they put it back up. And they did say that it was the Southern District of New York that flagged some of the photos because they were concerned that maybe some victims might have been depicted in these photos. So they had to pull it to make sure that they weren't outing someone who shouldn't have been outed.

[C]

Oh, okay. Do you buy that? I think that could be legitimate.

[A]

It could be legitimate. The comments below, the official Department of Justice response were things like, sorry, we got caught. I mean, people weren't buying it out of an abundance of caution, my ass. You know, that kind of thing. They weren't buying it, so.

[C]

And they have legitimate reasons not to buy it.

[A]

Correct? Correct. Another example of what took away from this idea of transparency. The DOJ released a grand jury document that people were really looking forward to in terms of what it could reveal, and the document was completely and entirely redacted. It was literally, the document was there and everything was blacked out. So then, of course, yes, people went to X and got upset. And then they then re released the document with just a few redactions. And that document was actually interesting. This was about an FBI agent testifying about the interviews with several of those women that went back to the 1990s. So it was showing that FBI agents and the Department of Justice were aware of criminal activities by Jeffrey Epstein as reported to them by girls as young as 14. And so this was actually new information and new interviews. And the fact that the first iteration of it was completely blacked out just fueled all the conspiracy theories.

[C]

I mean, just. I don't, I don't know what to do with these files. Like, I mean, what's the next step? Are, are these members of Congress going to say now every single thing that's been redacted needs to be released unredacted?

[A]

There are some members who do say that, yes.

[C]

Okay. And then once that's done and it's still not what you want, what's going to be the next thing? And the next thing, there is nothing that's going to satisfy the public or Democrats who feel that there's blood in the water between Trump and Epstein. I just. Robe. This is just, it's exhausting and we're getting nowhere and we're re victimizing these victims. We just doing this all over again. Wait for. It's like slap in the face and insult to the victims. And that's all. What are we? I don't know. Robes. What? You tell me what's going to satisfy the public. They go, okay, it's all out. And now we can trust we have the information. Now let's go through it.

[B]

What?

[A]

And when you say it's all out, I don't know how true this is, but this is crazy. So Todd Blanche, who's been a big part of this, he said that federal prosecutors have more than 3.6 million records from sex trafficking investigations involving Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. 3.6 million records.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, okay, that's mind blowing.

[C]

How do you release.

[A]

Right.

[C]

How many are out?

[A]

They say that he said that several hundred thousand more files will become available over the next couple weeks. That's the word we got as to what we can expect in the coming weeks from this massive release of DOJ files.

[C]

Look, hundreds of lawyers is how he put it.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I cannot imagine this process. What do you do? You can't just throw everything out there. But also, did they have enough time? Was 30 days reasonable? Is that Being talked about enough. Is it actually possible to do. And others will argue they should have been. They've been working on this stuff for years. They shouldn't have taken that. I don't know, robes. But. But to see everybody had this date circled. This is the day it's all coming. And right now they haven't gotten anything.

[A]

It makes a mockery of not just the back and forth that went into passing this act. What Trump did to try and discourage and then later encourage Republicans to pass it and then sign it. And then all that's done, right? All that's being publicized. Trump ran on this transparency of the Epstein investigation. And now the deadline comes and we get like drips and dribbles and then they. They put it out, then they take it away. All that does is further undermine the trust Americans have when it comes to our government. So it did the opposite of what the intention was.

[C]

Epstein Transparency act redacted.

[A]

I actually feel like Epstein Transparency act could be used to, like, to describe anything that's full of bs.

[C]

Oh, this is great now.

[A]

Yeah. So. Because now the Justice Department saying it plans to release the records on a rolling basis, I love that's. They're literally giving themselves no actual further deadline because once they missed the Friday deadline, now they're just kind of saying, yeah, we're not even going to make you any sort of actual timeline. We're just going to tell you we're going to release hundreds of thousands of new documents on. On a rolling basis and you're going.

[C]

To forget about this after Christmas.

[A]

That's what they're hoping.

[C]

Right, but who's going to. What are you going to yell about now? We were yelling to get the bill passed. Right? That was a fight. We got the bill passed. They were yelling. We got it.

[A]

We got.

[C]

Okay, you got it. What's the next thing you want to. What's the next step they can take?

[A]

The next. It. It. The only thing they can do is release all the documents, period.

[C]

Well, totally unredacted. Because if there are. There are five words redacted out of those 3 million documents. People will say those are the five most important words and that the administration is hiding something.

[A]

And if names are redacted, which I can understand about victims, they'll claim that names of potential millionaire businessmen, their names are also blacked out. Like, we just won't ever know. You have to actually not redact anything for people to actually buy. The problem is, how do you know what they didn't give you? Like, if. If it's true. That there are 3.6 million records. How will we know if don't give us three of the ones that actually everybody wants to see?

[C]

So the point being that this is pointless, that no one is ever going.

[A]

To believe it's a circus.

[C]

Even if they put every single thing out, nobody's ever going to believe that it's everything. Oh, my.

[A]

That you are correct in that. And this never ends. There'll never be a. There'll never be an ending that's satisfactory to everyone and maybe even to anyone. I don't know anyone who feels satisfied right now when it comes to what's been done and what's been released. And I don't think, I mean, who trusts our government these days? Like, who trusts our government?

[C]

I'm sure there's polling on that.

[A]

All right. When we come back, we are going to talk about what the next steps are because we're already hearing from two lawmakers, one a Republican, one a Democrat, and they had a lot to do with this transparency act to begin with and what they want to do to Pam Bondi. And also we're going to hear from the victims and their reaction to what's been released so far. I don't know about you guys, but I love to buy gifts. I love it so much. I love it so much more than getting gifts. But the one thing that I do love, especially when it comes to my daughter, is getting matching things. I know it's such a cliche, but I love it so much. So I have the perfect brand for you. Pandora Jewelry can make their holiday unforgettable with the gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry. A gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just sparkle but speaks. From new festive charms to forever rings and personal engravings, this season give a gift that's perfectly theirs. Whether you're shopping for a shiny surprise for your significant other, matching bracelets to celebrate your friendship, or a heartfelt gift for a family member, Say more this holiday season with Pandora. Shop [e-mail] or visit your closest Pandora store. Season two of unrivaled basketball is here and the talent is unreal. Paige Beckers, Nafiza Collier, Kelsey Plumb, Brianna Stewart and more are back to redefine the game. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5 on TNT, TruTV and HBO.

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Welcome back everyone. As we continue to talk about what. Yeah, everyone's been talking about.

[C]

Everyone wants to stop talking about at some point, please.

[A]

You've asked, you're like, do we have to keep talking about this? Yes, apparently we do because the government, it's. This is shocking. Didn't do what it said it was going to do. The Epstein files were all supposed to be released on Friday by midnight. They didn't do it. They released some, took back some of the stuff they released, tried to explain why. And now they're saying we're going to get to it when we get to it.

[C]

You know, just a typical week in Washington, really.

[A]

Why are we surprised? This is how our government operates.

[C]

What did you say? Do what they said they were going to do. This is still, folks, what they required by law, to do. They were supposed to do. And.

[A]

And who's going to hold them accountable?

[B]

Who's.

[C]

How is the DOJ going to hold the DOJ accountable?

[A]

No, they're not going to. But Representative who is a Republican, and then Ro Khanna, who's a Democrat from California. They're the ones who actually co sponsored the bill in the House to order the Department of Justice to release the Epstein files. Well, now those two have made the rounds and all the Sunday talk shows saying that they are now going to hold Justice Department officials accountable because this is some bs, right? Okay. So they are claiming that they may bring inherent contempt charges against Pam Bondi. Ooh, do you know.

[C]

Like that.

[A]

So, but I. So do you know what inherent contempt charges are? It is a process that involves telling the House or Senate sergeant at arms to detain or imprison the person in contempt. That would be Pam Bondi. Attorney General Pam Bondi, until he or she honors congressional demands.

[C]

That won't happen. That won't happen.

[A]

That is, don't throw. Never going to happen.

[C]

But don't, don't dangle that this has.

[A]

Never happened in modern times.

[C]

Don't think. Why? Why? Come on, man.

[A]

So now they're making threats that we are now publicly saying we highly doubt they will ever follow through with. As a parent, you know, do not tell your child, if you do this, I'm going to do this. You have to follow through. If you're going to threaten something or you're going to try, say, I'm going to hold you accountable. You have to be willing to follow through. You.

[C]

You know what, what I'm saying. Robes, they, they escalated an already heated environment by now, saying, we are going. We are threatening to imprison you. This is what we're doing now. I just. Okay, fine. If anybody has a problem with Pam, Bonnie and the doj, okay, fine. I'm saying there's plenty. If you want to criticize, knock yourself out. But we have got to criticize this type of thing. And if you're listening and you're. Whatever side you're leaning and you're actually thinking, no, this is what should happen. Just check yourself. You don't want this. I don't want to see this.

[A]

We're. Take Pam Bondi away from her family at Christmas and put her in prison.

[C]

Okay, stop.

[A]

This is not going to happen.

[C]

Obviously, we don't have to take her. You remember the last time she was up there, she spanked him pretty good during her hearing. So, hell, we don't need to defend her. She'll be fine.

[A]

So that came actually, that came from the Republican. Massie. Khanna actually was a little more tempered. He said, our goal is not to take down Bondi. Our goal is to get the documents out for the survivors. Our goal is to take down the rich and powerful men who went to Rape island and covered up the abuse.

[C]

Who are these men that he. He's right. This is what he's doing. He's guessing, isn't he?

[A]

Yes. He's assuming that there are no men's names in any of the documents that have been released so far. In fact, a lot of headlines said, like, it's a dud. There's all the things we're looking for aren't in the documents they release. So, of course, then people have to assume, where are the documents that they haven't released? Because that's where those men's names are.

[C]

Yes, because U.S. congressman that we trust, who's in that position just told us that there are rich and powerful men walking around this country who participated in sexually assaulting young women. Do I have that right?

[A]

Correct.

[C]

Okay, then how am I now? Okay, where is that? Because he told me it exists. So I'm waiting.

[A]

And don't forget, we heard from the Epstein survivors who say they're gonna make a list, but they're gonna keep it to themselves. This whole thing is frustrating, I guess, for people who are truth seekers, for people who want answers. This is a. This has been an incredibly frustrating exercise that has gone on for decades, and it's frustrating. I can't think of another way to describe this. Now. We heard from one of the lawyers who represents a bunch of Epstein victims and survivors, and she said that her clients feel vindicated after the document released. And I would say it's mostly because of that FBI, one of those. The grand jury testimony, where they did actually show and prove, through this testimony, that the government was aware that they heard from multiple young women as young as 14, who all described the exact same behavior by Jeffrey Epstein, and the government chose to do nothing about it. So I do think in that particular transcript, there is some feeling of validation and vindication. They said that they thought for years to get that document and documents that support that type of testimony so that people could see that the government did know and chose to do nothing. She said, it's a triumph and a tragedy. It looks like the government did absolutely nothing. Horrible things have happened, and if they investigated in even the smallest way, they could have stopped him. And that is what this is all about there does need to be some sort of accountability. If the government was aware this was going on, gave him a sweetheart deal in 2007, and let him continue to do what he was doing. We do need to have some answers. And there does need to be some sort of repercussion.

[C]

Okay, so tell me what. What the percentage of the headlines that you saw that were focusing on the. That instead of what wasn't there, what was redacted. A picture of Bill Clinton. Right. I read that too, but I had to deep dive.

[A]

Oh, so did I. This was not in the. That's such a good point, babe. That is such a good point.

[C]

So that's being missed. Something that does vindicate the vic. It does get missed. And the relevant things that need to be followed up. And who was there and actually holding maybe somebody accountable that was with the FBI or part of the investigation, whatever, at the time. Look into that.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

But it has. It turned into a. A circus, a headline circus, a tabloid circus, to a certain degree, looking for the most salacious things possible. I don't know if it's about holding anybody accountable anymore other than just political back and forth.

[A]

And that's what's so sad. That point is the saddest part about all of this, that it has become a political hot potato. It's become a way to drum up support for your individual campaign because you look like the person who stood up to the big guy or the people who were deceiving you. And it's about making your voters think that the other side is the side that's hiding stuff. And so both sides are saying, it's your fault, it's your fault. And it really has just become a game of reelection, a game of power. It has nothing to do with actually finding the truth. And that's where we are.

[C]

Dig in those 3 million pages all you want. Documents. Maybe there's some truth in there. But robes. No, this is not going away. But it might for the holidays. Right. The documents go out on a Friday, the last weekend before Christmas. Right. Shopping weekend before Christmas. And now maybe this gets a little quiet or starts to fade a little bit. Really, that might happen.

[A]

And people get fatigued. They get. I think we're in Epstein fatigue right now. And yes. Party. Party of one raising his hand right there. Because it. You get to a point where it's almost as if I feel like the government's hoping to confuse you, frustrate you.

[C]

Check.

[A]

Check enough that you just say, I.

[C]

Don'T even care anymore, almost to check on that. One as well. But man, what a shame in all this, you know, and all the coverage as well. And not a lot of headlines say victims in them. Not a lot of headlines. I mean, headlines are about who's on the Sunday shows, right? People who put out. I'm not gonna go there.

[A]

People who were saying they want Pam Bondi imprisoned. That's who went on the Sunday shows. But we will keep our eye on this look and we will continue to look at the deeper headlines and to read through some of the BS political headlines that are out there for everyone to click on and really try to continue to follow this case as it warrants. But with that, everyone, thank you for listening to us. We appreciate you. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes and we will talk to you soon. Season two of Unrivaled Basketball is here and the talent is unreal. Paige Beckers, Nafiza Collier, Kelsey Plumb, Brianna Stewart and more are back to redefine the game. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5th on the TNT TruTV and HBO Max. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first. There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

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