Final Texts And Final Moments For Martha Nolan As The Mystery Deepens Behind Her Montauk Death

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: Final Texts And Final Moments For Martha Nolan As The Mystery Deepens Behind Her Montauk Death
Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes
Guest/Co-host: Robes
Topic: The mysterious death of Martha Nolan in Montauk, focusing on her final moments, texts, and the evolving investigation.

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Episode Overview

Amy Robach and TJ Holmes revisit the perplexing and still-unsolved case of Martha Nolan, a 33-year-old swimwear designer found dead on a yacht in Montauk. The episode dissects new revelations from a recent New York Magazine article, newly released final text messages, and statements from the attorney representing Christopher Durnan, the businessman—and last person to see Martha alive—whose story continues to raise questions.

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Key Discussion Points & Timeline

1. Setting the Scene & The Montauk Mystery (02:37–04:15)

• Amy recounts the significance of Martha Nolan’s mysterious death and its impact on the local Montauk community.
  • “We were in Montauk when this mysterious death happened. And we were following it hour by hour. It was the talk of the town.”—Amy Robach [02:37]
• The episode frames the central question: Is this truly a murder mystery or an inexplicable tragedy?

2. The Night of Martha's Death: Timeline & Initial Facts (04:15–06:30)

• Martha, originally from Ireland and an up-and-coming fashion designer, was found dead on a yacht at the Montauk Yacht Club.
• Her meeting with business partner Christopher Durnan, originally scheduled for Saturday, shifted to a private sunset cruise on Monday night.
  • “This meeting that she was at on this Monday evening... morphed into a Monday night late night boat ride, a sunset cruise complete with champagne, and it ended in her death.”—Amy Robach [03:31]

3. Suspicious Elements: Naked Man, Unanswered Questions (05:05–06:30)

• The shocking detail: Christopher Durnan was reportedly found naked, running along the docks begging for help around midnight.
  • “A man was running up and down the dock, throwing things, banging things, trying to get everybody else's attention... naked. Like, what the hell is going on?”—TJ Holmes [04:15]
• Initial police details were vague, leading to rampant speculation.

4. Martha's Final Texts & Timeline Gaps (06:30–11:36)

• Friends and her boyfriend were texting with Martha throughout the night. She went silent after 9:20pm.
• At 9:30pm, Martha texted a group chat:
  • “lol. I'm at the yacht club now. My phone is on.” [06:30]
    There is uncertainty if Martha herself sent this last message.
• According to Durnan’s attorney, by about 10:30–11:00pm, Martha suddenly “went limp” and was unresponsive.

5. The Critical Missing Hour (10:00–11:36)

• Between when Durnan claims Martha lost consciousness and when police were called (midnight), there is a one-hour gap.
• Durnan did not call 911; the call came from adjacent boaters.
  • “Why wouldn't he have called 911? And why was it not until an hour later that he started running around naked trying to get people to help him?”—Amy Robach [09:04]

6. The Bizarre Details: Vomit, Nudity, and Explanations (12:15–14:17)

• Durnan’s attorney claims his client stripped naked because his clothes were soaked with Martha’s vomit.
• It’s unclear whether Martha vomited before or after she became unresponsive.
  • “According to Holdman, this is Durnan's attorney. Durnan had to strip his clothes off because they were soaked with Nolan's vomit.” —Amy Robach [12:26]
• Durnan suggested Martha may have done drugs in the boat’s bathroom, though her friends dispute she was a drug user.

7. Relationship Speculation and Bad PR (15:08–17:42 / 23:39–25:40)

• Durnan’s attorney initially implied a prior romantic relationship, then downplayed it—confusing the public narrative.
  • “He flat out said that his client had been in a romantic relationship and then walk that back, but only kind of sorta. This is some bad lawyering or bad PR, I should say.”—Robes [16:35]
• Martha's friends and family insist there was no romantic relationship and point to Martha’s loving relationship with her boyfriend.

8. Current State of the Investigation (25:51–27:52)

• There is an open homicide investigation, but no evidence of violence (per two autopsies: official and independent).
• Awaiting toxicology results, which have been pending for three months.
• Photos taken at the scene showed a white powder on cushions, rumored to be a drug—Durnan’s attorney claims it was police fingerprint dust:
  • “He actually says that that was dust from police fingerprinting the scene. It was not cocaine. It was not another illegal substance.” —Amy Robach [27:12]

9. Lingering Questions & Emotional Reflections (28:20–31:46)

• Both hosts express skepticism regarding the explanations for Durnan’s nudity and delayed response.
• Mourning Martha: Friends found some comfort in the public attention her death received.
  • “She loved press. She loved media. I just knew that she'd be so happy. That's how she went out.” —Quote from Martha’s business partner [30:53]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the missing hour:
  “My big timeline issue is what happened between 10:30 and 11 and midnight when police were notified?”
  —Amy Robach [11:15]

• On Durnan’s lawyer’s statements:
  “To romantically link his client to a woman who has a mysterious death is perplexing. Why would you do that?”
  —Robes [25:40]

• On the investigation’s ambiguity:
  “Everything lines up that looks bad, that looks bad, and that looks bad... but turns out that's actually what happened. She could have had a bizarre, rare, unfortunate medical event. Who the hell knows?”
  —Robes [27:52]

• Personal reflection:
  “This is a life cut short... She had gone through a lot of different tough iterations and was finally building on something serious. And she had so much hope for the future.”
  —Amy Robach [29:42]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Local reaction and initial case outline: 02:37–05:05
• Timeline of final texts and events: 06:30–11:36
• Attorney’s explanations for nudity and actions: 12:15–14:17
• Discussion of possible drugs, romantic claims: 15:08–17:42, 23:39–25:40
• State of investigation and autopsy details: 25:51–27:52
• Emotional reflections on Martha’s life: 29:42–31:46

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Tone & Takeaways

The hosts approach this mystery with skepticism but avoid sensationalism, constantly reminding the audience that while explanations may sound suspicious, they could, in fact, be true. They highlight gaps and inconsistencies—especially the missing hour and the explanations for Durnan’s nudity and behavior—while remembering Martha Nolan as a vivacious, ambitious young woman whose life path was inspiring, and whose story still prompts more questions than answers.

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Conclusion

The investigation is ongoing, the toxicology report remains awaited, and key questions persist about what really happened in Martha Nolan’s final moments. The episode conveys both the confusing details and unanswered questions of the case, as well as the heartbreak of Martha’s untimely loss, closing with a tribute to her life and the hope for eventual answers.

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Transcript

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there, everybody. It is Monday, November 17th. It's been about three months since Martha Nolan mysteriously died in Montauk. Well, we now have some of her final texts with friends with her boyfriend. And we are hearing about that night from the attorney representing the man she was on that boat with when she died and with that. Welcome, everyone, to this episode of Amy and tj. We were in Montauk when this mysterious death happened. And we were following it hour by hour. It was the talk of the town. And still there aren't really many answers hour by hour.

[Robes]

It's not month by month. It seemed like we know barely more than we knew three months ago. Yeah. This is a Montauk mystery that we still don't know if it was a Montauk murder mystery. We still don't know how this young lady died.

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[Amy Robach]

And the New York magazine put out a fascinating article over the weekend, basically giving a timeline of what we know and what we've learned from her friends who were texting with her and from the attorney of the man who she was with. And so we know that this meeting that she was at on this Monday evening was supposed to actually be on Saturday and it was supposed to be during the day with her business partner, but somehow it morphed into a Monday night late night boat ride, a sunset cruise complete with champagne, and it ended in her death. But we have the name of the man of the boat she was on. He was an investor in her business. His name was Christopher Durnan and he was the last person to see Martha Nolan alive.

[Robes]

Yeah, we know this now. We're getting more details now and hearing, I guess, his side of things to a certain degree. But right after we did know in the, the day, the hours, the. The days afterwards that the story was she was found, this 33 year old young lady who was a fashion designer working on elevated swimwear there in Montauk. Originally from Ireland, but she was found on a yacht at the Montauk Yacht Club, dead. Nobody knows why, but the story was that a man was running up and down the dock, throwing things, banging things, trying to get everybody else's attention. And robes. The detail that stood out at the time was that this man was naked. Like, what the hell is going on? Why was he naked? What was going on? Those were all, what I just told you all were all the details. We had, I swear, robes for like.

[Amy Robach]

A week and we were nothing. And we were careful not to report some of those details because they weren't corroborated by police. And we didn't want to be sensational, but certainly some of the folks who were there who were awakened by apparently him throwing a. I guess they said it was a sunscreen bottle at their window, trying to wake people up, trying to get help, all reported that he was completely naked at midnight. So yes, that was all very suspicious and it led to a lot of folks insinuating, could this be a murder mystery? What could have happened? How did it go from being a business meeting to her dead and him naked? It was all very confusing. So we, we are getting some details from friends who were saying that they basically were in constant contact with Martha. They were texting, they were in a group chat, but she kind of went silent after a while and they began to wonder what was going on. And so she had told her boyfriend who was out of town that she was going to take an uber home at 1am but around 9:20 friends were wondering she had stopped texting them back. One friend wrote this at 9:20 because they have the text here. Lmao. I'm sure her phone died or maybe she's dead. One of her friends texted that 10 minutes later and they believe this was her last text. She responded lol. I'm at the yacht club now. My phone is on.

[Robes]

So she wasn't dead.

[Amy Robach]

Right, but she was soon to be.

[Robes]

Right? She was soon to be. What I'm saying is we watched and seen enough murder mysteries to the point of how do we know she was the one responding? Why does she go dark? Why was she quiet for all that time? And then the only thing she responded was that thing. And she was never heard from again by anybody other than the person she was with at the time. Who we, at the time, we didn't know a lot of details. His name was not out there.

[Amy Robach]

No.

[Robes]

At the time, even though we knew what boat she was on. So now they're starting to fill in some blanks. But quite frankly, what's the saying go. It just gives us more questions and answers.

[Amy Robach]

Now it is true though, because there is, there are some missing. There is a missing hour, specifically a little bit more than an hour where police don't know what happened. They're investigating. It's what happened in that critical hour. And you know what? I hadn't even thought about someone else texting on her behalf. That didn't even cross my mind. But yes, there is no way to verify she's the one who wrote that or not. And this was a period of time, this was a Monday night where the marina is quiet. The yacht clubs, restaurants, the pools are closed on Monday nights. The dock is pretty secluded and it was a time of night where a lot of people weren't out. So there really aren't any eyewitness reports. After they took off on that sunset cruise, there were definitely some neighboring boats, some folks who were there on the dock at the marina who saw the two of them go off and take a. Take a ride around on Hell in a Bucket, I believe was the name of that boat. Then they switched over to his other boat called Ripple and which was moored there at the dock. And that is where she was ultimately found. But this is interesting. This is the first time I have heard an explanation via his attorney about what Christopher Durnan says happened on that night.

[Robes]

He claims that around is explaining why he was naked, which yes, I was. I was trying to stay with him robes throughout this story because a lot of the details don't make sense. I am not at all folks. And I'm stating this being accusatory about this man. But the story was already mysterious. Now we're starting to hear some answers and you then hear something go, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. And there's a couple of moments in here where it just doesn't make sense.

[Amy Robach]

There's some heads. It could be true, it could all be true. But it seems as though there are key details that have been left out.

[Robes]

But then the ones they fill in the blanks with don't make a lot of sense.

[Amy Robach]

It's bizarre. So, yes. Okay, so according to Durnan's attorney who spoke on the record, he said that around 10:30 or 11pm Martha Nolan suddenly went limp. He claims that Christopher Durnan thought she was having a heart attack and tried to perform cpr. His quote, she was gone almost immediately. She was non responsive. And again, according to the attorney, 10:30 or 11pm the, the Christopher Durnan never called 91 1. How can you. How can you answer that? Police got the call from the bystander and that was at midnight. So there is an hour now. We don't know what happened. Why wouldn't he have called 91 1? And why was it not until an hour later that he started running around naked trying to get people to help him?

[Robes]

Okay, do I have it right? They're back. As far as the story goes, the she goes limp or whatever when they're back at the boat that's parked, not when they were out at all. Still on the water. Correct?

[Amy Robach]

Yes, according to the timeline from even the friends verified this too. Because when she texted them at 9:30, she said we're back at the dock now. So she confirmed that. And Nolan even said that that was exactly the case as well. No, excuse me, Nolan said that. And then Durnan also said that they got back to the marina at 9:30pm okay, so that's all agreed upon by both Martha's texts and what he is telling.

[Robes]

What time was the 911 call? What time the police get called? It was midnight.

[Amy Robach]

Midnight. And it wasn't from him. It wasn't from Christopher Durnan. It was from folks who were on an adjacent boat.

[Robes]

Okay, I don't have it in front of me. Take me back. 9:30. What happened at 9:30 again?

[Amy Robach]

9:30, they came back to the marina and apparently were talking business.

[Robes]

Everything's fine.

[Amy Robach]

Drinks all right.

[Robes]

Yes. Evening's going fine. So she goes limp.

[Amy Robach]

At what he claims between 10:30 and 11:00pm she suddenly went limp. So for an hour, according to him, they're talking business. She's asking for more money to reinvest so she can bring her business to Miami and other cities, but somehow between 9:30 and 10:30, she goes limp. But my big timeline issue is what happened between 10:30 and 11 and midnight when police were notified. What was going on during that hour.

[Robes]

The argument he makes. Right. The. The lawyer makes is just everything was chaotic and just the time is getting mixed up a little bit.

[Amy Robach]

Perhaps, according to his attorney, he said that. And this is the question because the reporter specifically said, why in God's name was your client naked at midnight?

[Robes]

Oh, stay with. You have the time.

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[Robes]

Okay. The. The explanation of the time. How do they explain why? He just. He was just dismissive of the idea that, hey, the time's not working out. He's just saying this was all just chaos.

[Amy Robach]

They said he was distraught that he had just watched one of his dear friends die in trauma, and he froze.

[Robes]

Wait, and he was frozen for an hour?

[Amy Robach]

They just said he was absolutely destroyed. Okay.

[Robes]

All right.

[Amy Robach]

They really didn't give a clear explanation. They did give a very specific explanation, though, about why he was naked.

[Robes]

Okay.

[Amy Robach]

You want to hear it?

[Robes]

Sure.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. So according to Holdman, this is Durnan's attorney. Durnan had to strip his clothes off because they were soaked with Nolan's vomit. Okay, so I never. I missed that part because according to the attorney earlier, the concern was when Martha Nolan went limp, but perhaps before she went lip. She started vomiting on him in some way. Somehow, at some point, the claim is being made that he was soaked with her vomit. So he stripped his clothes off. And that's when the lawyer said, chris is distraught. He watched his friend die in trauma.

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He.

[Amy Robach]

He's absolutely destroyed. And when the attorney said detectives pressed his client on what could have Happened what he thought maybe happened to Martha Nolan. He said that there were two occasions where Martha excused herself to go to the bathroom. Okay. That would happen when you're on a boat having champagne and drinking. And he thought that maybe it could be an indication that she did drugs or that something else could have been going on in the bathroom. He wasn't sure.

[Robes]

So I had a problem with that.

[Amy Robach]

Only yes. Offer of an explanation.

[Robes]

Okay, fine. And maybe that did happen and everything he said could be true. Let's go with this. Every word he said is a hundred percent true. It still sounds crazy.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[Robes]

If every word is true. It's just that it's a bizarre night. It's a. It's a freaky night in which a healthy 33 year old woman just dropped not. You know what this is not. He's saying she didn't have an event, she just collapsed and it was over. Maybe.

[Amy Robach]

But there was vomiting at some point.

[Robes]

When pre or post passing out dead.

[Amy Robach]

Don't know.

[Robes]

I don't know what. I don't know how to explain that. Maybe it's a bizarre medical event and he just happened to be misfortunate enough to be there when it happened. And if this is somebody he cared about the way he said then yes I imagine that was traumatic for him and that trauma continues. But man that story to the suggestion making a suggestion and I guess maybe robes this is something's wrong with us because we watch too many of these snapped and scorned love kills episodes and all this stuff.

[Amy Robach]

Real crime, true crime. Yes.

[Robes]

But when we hear an immediate explanation for possibly what happened to her. Well, she went to the bathroom twice. So you don't know. You know maybe she's doing in the bathroom to direct to that almost is. I mean he would know if she knows as well as he does. He would know if she was does drugs or not so.

[Amy Robach]

And look in terms of his believability and what he's saying and obviously police have been talking to him and he's never been named a suspect. We want to point that out very specifically. They're not even claiming that there's foul play involved right now. This isn't a murder mystery. This is just a. A death that they're trying to explain or investigate or understand what may have happened to a. Yes. Otherwise perfectly healthy 33 year old woman which the autopsy showed she had no underlying conditions. There was nothing about her physically that would make her death make any possible sense. But there were some other issues with this man claiming to his attorney and then backpedaling slightly that he was in some sort of a relationship with Martha Nolan, but who, by the way, had a serious boyfriend. She had a divorce finalized, I believe, the year before. She was very much in love with her boyfriend. A lot of her friends thought that they were gonna be engaged and get married, so that would fly in the face of that. But he's kind of gone back and forth saying, I loved her as a friend. We didn't have a hard relationship. And then when pressed further about whether or not they did have any sort of sexual relationship, the answer from the attorney was, Chris is not interested in sharing anything like that, whether it's an absolute no or an absolute yes. And I don't think he thinks it's fair to her memory. He doesn't want to talk about it. But her friends and her family took total issue with that and said absolutely not. Were they in any kind of a relationship, then?

[Robes]

Why would the attorney put that out there?

[Amy Robach]

Exactly.

[Robes]

Like there's no benefit to that, certainly his client. All that does it makes someone look more suspicious if they're romantically involved with someone who is dead. So there's no upside to doing so. But he flat out said that his client had been in a romantic relationship and then walk that back, but only kind of sorta. This is some bad lawyering or bad pr, I should say yes. No offense to this lawyer, but I'm saying he has to know that is not beneficial to his client. Publicly.

[Amy Robach]

I'm surprised he spoke at all. That was shocking to me. And as you said at the beginning of this, what we're learning is actually creating more questions. And this has been a mystery from the get go. We just haven't gotten a lot from police at all because it seems as though they don't have a lot to go on. And that is deeply concerning. So when we come back, we're going to tell you where the police investigation stands today and what was, according to Durnan, that white substance they found all over the cushions of his boat.

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[Robes]

All right, welcome back, folks. We continue here on Amy and TJ Robes. I didn't say the most jaw dropping part of this story. For me at least. We're talking about Martha Nolan Oslatterer. Does she go by the old slattera?

[Amy Robach]

She, she did, I think technically. But everyone refers to her as Martha Nolan.

[Robes]

Yeah. Young lady, 33 years old, mysteriously died in August in Montong. They said they were going to get some toxicology reports, said it could take months. We still haven't seen those, but we're getting more information now from her, I guess her business partner's attorney, the guy she was with on the night she did die. I guess robes and all of this story. I guess when you first hear 33 year old young businesswoman Montauk yacht died, man running naked, yelling, you start piecing some things together, you're going to assume she was in something that was a romantic evening at least taking place. And no one, no one has suggested that at all. Police haven't. And I'm pretty sure early on all the reports out there was that no, this was not a romantic thing. Correct?

[Amy Robach]

Yes, that that was always what folks had said. In fact, very specifically that this was their sole investor. He gave them the seed Money to start this business. And now they were looking to expand and so he was open to further investing with them. And so this was a meeting that initially was supposed to be both business partners, but her, her best friend and business partner actually took a trip and she ended up going on her own.

[Robes]

So, so what I'm saying here, robes, that all of that I, I had put it away, never crossed my mind that it was a romantic thing going on. The attorney's comments made my jaw drop. What it could. Never crossed my mind, at least after the initial because it was just, it was shot down. Why would he say those things?

[Amy Robach]

It's almost as if I thought the same thing. It's almost as if, I mean he's 62 years old, he is single. Maybe he was proud of the fact that he had had a sexual relationship with her. Maybe he wanted it to be known. Because look, at the end of the day, you look at this, this young woman on her own, this gorgeous woman on a yacht, 7:30 at night, taking a sunset champagne fueled cruise with her business investor. It does raise eyebrows. But she was in contact with her boyfriend, she was in contact with her friends until she wasn't. And she did have plans to head home. We, the only person who knows what actually happened on that boat is Christopher.

[Robes]

Why did his attorney publicly suggest to us he wasn't poked and prodded and have he offered this up saying that they were in a romantic relationship? At one, they dated at one point they said, yeah.

[Amy Robach]

He said prior.

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[Amy Robach]

Which would say who knows what happened. Enough alcohol, enough whatever.

[Robes]

I'm not.

[Amy Robach]

Could have led to another.

[Robes]

I'm saying to romantically link his client to a woman who has a mysterious death is perplexing. Why would you do that?

[Amy Robach]

It's true. And today the police investigation, this is where it stands. They opened a homicide investigation. Investigation. There is an open, active homicide investigation. Even though the initial autopsy did not show any evidence of violence. That's how they put it.

[Robes]

That's very important to say, very important.

[Amy Robach]

So there's no evidence of violence. And then the family actually commissioned an independent autopsy. And I would do the same. I can understand why they would want to do that. And that second autopsy also confirmed the initial findings that there was nothing she met, no violent death. And so it doesn't however rule out foul play. The family is still concerned that there could be foul play. And certainly police have not closed this case. They haven't said one way or another where they are. But the final autopsy with that toxicology report, they Say it can take months. It's been three months. So it seems as though we should be getting that sooner rather than later. But one of the things people pointed to who. A lot of media obviously swarmed to the scene when this happened, and they were taking pictures. And there was a white, powdery substance on the seat cushions that a lot of folks were pointing to. And the attorney has an explanation for it. He actually says that that was dust from police fingerprinting the scene. It was not cocaine. It was not another illegal substance. It was actually the dust left over from police fingerprinting the boat.

[Robes]

Okay. Is that possible? I thought that stuff was black.

[Amy Robach]

I have no idea. But there was a white, powdery substance all over this city.

[Robes]

Whatever.

[Amy Robach]

Obviously, people are putting two and two together and saying, hmm, he doesn't call police right away. Maybe because he needed to sober up. Maybe because he didn't want drugs being found on his boat. Maybe he needed to clean up some of the paraphernalia that would then implicate him for. Perhaps because if you give somebody drugs that leads to their death, you can be culpable in that person's death.

[Robes]

But clearly I'm saying It's possible that 2 and 2 can equal 7 sometimes. This might be one of those cases where everything lines up that looks bad, that looks bad, that looks bad, and that looks bad. But turns out that's actually what happened. She could have had a bizarre, rare, unfortunate medical event. Who the hell knows? I still. I forgot to ask you as we wrap here, was he fully naked?

[Amy Robach]

By all accounts? Yes.

[Robes]

Okay. I'm trying to find a scenario where I'm. There's so much vomit on me that my underwear also need to come off. That is one of those.

[Amy Robach]

If you're wearing underwear.

[Robes]

Two and two.

[Amy Robach]

He could have had swim trunks on and no underwear.

[Robes]

But the point he. What he's trying to explain. Right. Or his argument is that he had to disrobe. He told us this. If he was just in swim trunks, do you need to take those off if you're just in a robe?

[Amy Robach]

I would also say that if your friend just dies in front of you and you're performing cpr. And yes, somehow that person. I'm not worried about the vomit that's on me in that moment. I'm worried about calling 911. I'm worried about getting help. I'm worried about. About.

[Robes]

We think.

[Amy Robach]

You don't know what.

[Robes]

I've never been in that. So I don't want to. I don't want to fault him. There it's just. That's one of those things. I don't know how. What amount of vomit could get on someone that their underwear also need to come off.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Robes]

To your point, maybe he was already disrobed. If he was in a robe. Or were you suggesting maybe he was naked already? We don't know when whatever was taken place.

[Amy Robach]

He didn't say that. But that is what a lot of people were thinking could possibly have been the case.

[Robes]

You say what people were thinking, but then we go back to what the lawyer is saying.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly.

[Robes]

Which is confirming that he had to take his clothes off. So he's giving us this man. This lawyer has needs a PR person.

[Amy Robach]

Thank goodness. Goodness. At least as far as Christopher Durnan goes, he's not being charged with anything criminally. That lawyer, of course, you know, said what he said. But this is not right now. There's no focus on Christopher Durnan. Just a lot of interest and a lot of fascination. I did want to end with this. I thought this was also really interesting. This is a sad story. This is a life cut short. A life that was just kind of re beginning. By all accounts, by her family and her friends, she had just finished this divorce, her business. She had gone through a lot of different tough iterations and was finally building on something serious. And she had so much hope for the future. This actually gave me, I don't know, in a weird way, maybe a little bit of comfort because her best friend and her business partner said that it gives him comfort. He said, when asked about just the unbelievable attention that her death created from the media. There was a media frenzy. Everyone was talking about it, and still we're talking about it three months later. He said the frenzy around her death, including the coverage of the funeral, was a source of comfort. This was a quote from him. She loved press. She loved media. I just knew that she'd be so happy. That's how she went out.

[Robes]

You gotta give them credit for finding some silver lining it at all. Yeah, had to smile. But that's what happened to this young lady. We still don't know, but it's just. It's a shame reading her background, what she's gone through and the hell and the ups and the downs and everything looks good on social media. But she went through some hell in trying to get her business and. And even getting married for the sake of immigration status and all this kind of. She went through a lot and she was hustling and it's too bad. This is where we are with this young lady, but we're talking about her. And to that point, then that gives me some comfort that I know this young lady never knew what east by east was. But now I know it. And if I ever see something of that swimwear line, I'll buy it.

[Amy Robach]

I agree. I agree. I thought it was a cool way to end it. And we hope that this isn't the end. We hope there are some more answers, and as soon as they become available, we will of course pass them along to you. But for now, everyone, I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

[Josh Zieman]

A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him?

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[Josh Zieman]

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[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Robes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me.

[TJ Holmes]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Barry and why. They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. She received death threats before the bombing. She received more stress after the bombing.

[Robes]

I think that this is a deliberate.

[Amy Robach]

Attempt to sabotage our movement.

[TJ Holmes]

Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And on the new season of Heavyweight.

[Amy Robach]

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian race rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago.

[Amy Robach]

How can one 1 year old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

A man with down syndrome tries the impossible, the grand slam in turkey hunting. 4:53 hits. We're legal, shooting like. And he gives us this one last chase and he pitches off. And when he pitches off, he flies right into the gun barrel. I said to the cameraman, do you have him? He said, shoot him. I said, justin, shoot. You can download this episode and others from Lines and tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

This is an iHeart podcast.