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TJ Holmes
Yeah. The difference here is this guy said he actually killed his wife. There is a difference. But the dismemberment and the horror of someone chopping up their spouse to get rid of a body in such a way is disturbing.
Amy Robach
Yes, because you think it's an anomaly and obviously it's incredibly rare. But then to see something so eerily similar is certainly disturbing. So here's what we do know. And you, you said he admitted to killing her, but not initially. Initially he gave the exact same defense.
TJ Holmes
As Brian Walsh, which was. Well, his was just came home and she was dead.
Amy Robach
Yeah, he found her dead. And he stayed. He's like, I found her dead. I didn't know what to do. I panicked. This is what exactly we're hearing from Brian Walsh as his defense. Brian Walsh is sticking to his story and his defense attorneys are doing a pretty decent, if not good job at trying to defend him with that. But eventually, and we, we don't know his name, 43 year old Swiss man, they're calling him Thomas in Swiss documents because there are Swiss privacy laws that don't reveal his name. But he eventually, according to police, admitted to killing her. But he said he only did it in self defense. The laws in Switzerland are different here than the laws in the United States. And so the Swiss took their time, waited for the autopsy results. In this case, they did have parts of her body and we'll get into that. But he ultimately admitted to killing her, but only because he said she was charging him with a knife. Well, we just got details now from the autopsy and from Swiss officials saying that they have ruled out his version. They now say they know how he.
TJ Holmes
Murdered his wife, how strangulation was it not? Don't know how they could Tell again, they would talk about the dismemberment and it was difficult to understand fully how they were, for lack of a better term, able to piece this thing together. Because it wasn't just a matter of a body being dismembered. It was mutilated and gotten rid of in horrific ways to where you wonder how much of her was left.
Amy Robach
Yes, and we can get into some of those details. We're not going to get into all of them. They're simply too disgusting and gruesome. And in fact, the autopsy, I was kind of, my jaw dropped at the detail they went into and how they described what he did. But this to me is fascinating because the whole point of Brian Walsh's defense, and certainly what's helping his defense and what's hindering the prosecution, is that they don't have Anna Walsh's body. And even if he dismembered her, which he admitted to doing, Brian Walsh and disposed of her body, without her body, they cannot determine manner of death. And if you can't determine manner of death, how do you prove a murder? That is what's interesting. In this case in Switzerland, they were able to find parts of the body and with that, as limited as it might be, they were able to determine cause and mode of death. That is what's missing in the Brian Walsh trial.
TJ Holmes
And look, we've been covering that plenty. And that might be the very thing that ends up with a potentially surprising verdict from this jury at the end. Again, that's not us, that's legal experts saying prosecution's got some work to do.
Amy Robach
Yes, certainly. So in this case in Switzerland, we're talking about 38 year old. I want to make sure we get her name and who she was and her story. 38 year old Christina Joachimovich. She was a 2007 Miss Switzerland finalist. Her pictures and the videos are everywhere. She was a gorgeous, stunning blonde woman who actually continued her passion for pageantry and was a modeling coach. And she, you can see her. Her Instagram is still up and running, by the way, and you can see her coaching several Miss Switzerland finalists for the Miss Universe pageants. And you could see her passion. She's a mom of two young girls and people have, especially with this news of her husband being charged. Now it's all over the comment section, people extending their condolences. Rip those two poor young girls. All of this is incredibly sad, but the murder actually took place in February of 2024. And here are the. The headlines are out there and they're pretty intense because what Police say he did was strangle her, dismember her, and then take her remains and put them through an industrial blender. And maybe, I don't know how they were able to time this out, but they've actually gone so far as to say in the police report that he was watching casual YouTube videos on his phone while he was putting his wife remain wife's remains in a blender. That's unthinkable.
TJ Holmes
I mean, I don't. This is, this is not normal stuff. This is, this is Texas Chainsaw massacre type things. They're describing that something's not right possibly with this, we just don't know. But some of the things being described are just not stuff you expect from someone you would attach the label of human being to.
Amy Robach
Correct. And while they're not releasing his name because of Swiss privacy laws, there are pictures out there of the two of them together. And you look at him, good looking guy, muscular guy, again, father of two young girls. This is when we get into this place and every time we cover very rare but headline grabbing crimes like this, you start to look at the people involved and you think, how did he get to this place? Was he created, was he born like this? How does someone go from being a seemingly loving father and a loving husband to, to not just someone who snapped under pressure or had a bad moment where there was a crime of passion, fine. But then to be able to go to the lengths that Brian Walsh is accused of and now this man Thomas is accused of, to be able to do that to another human being to avoid being caught, that's what I think. Just, you can't get inside someone's head like that. Or we all try to for whatever reason. We want to understand evil. Is that what it is?
TJ Holmes
Yeah. This is just, this is different from, from most crimes we see. We see a lot of horrific stuff and killings and deaths and all kinds of things. This is something else. We were talking about a blender, putting your wife's body in a blender. I mean, you start with that. And this is, I don't know, this is beyond true crime. This is beyond what we can comprehend. This sounds like mental illness. Again, it's just a horrific. I guess the details are horrific. If this man had just killed his wife, we would not be here in the United States talking about a Swiss murder.
Amy Robach
Yes. And especially given the parallels to what we're seeing playing out in court in Massachusetts, those two. But this one, I didn't think that it could get worse than Brian Walsh. We were listening to and seeing the headlines and the searches this Brian Walsh was putting into his computer, and that was jaw dropping. And to see a story that actually takes the horror of that to another level. Well, that's this story out of Switzerland. When we come back, we're going to talk about how the prosecutor's office described Thomas, the husband accused of doing these horrific things, and talk a little bit more about the victim in this case and who she was and how sad it is that her life was cut so short at just the age of 38. Did you know Tide has been upgraded to provide an even better clean in cold water. Tide is specifically designed to fight any stain you throw at it, even in cold butter. Yep. Chocolate ice cream, sure thing. Barbecue sauce. Tide's got you covered. You don't need to use warm water. Additionally, Tide pods let you confidently fight tough stains with new coldzyme technology. Just remember, if it's gotta be clean, it's gotta be tide. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with GiveDirectly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier, and Dave Desdeno from How God Works and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty. Here's how it works. You donate to GiveDirectly and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need because those families know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees, or starting a small business. With that support, families can invest in their future and build lasting change. So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. Head to GiveDirectly.org HappinessLab to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's GiveDirectly.org HappinessLab to donate. Hi, I'm Radhi Devlukya and I am the host of a really good Cry podcast. This week I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the Crappy Childhood Fairy, a creator, teacher and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story. What helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw and my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait, they could kill me. And I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm gonna get through this. And I did listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Kelly and some of you may know me as Laura Winslow. And I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel. If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with a show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters. Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters. Did you know that we are one of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget. Oh, girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black. All black people know about the look. On each episode of welcome to the Family, we share personal reflections about making the shape. Yeah, we'll even bring in part of the cast and some other special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea. Listen to welcome to the Family with Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are.
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Amy Robach
Welcome back, everyone, to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about a 2007 Miss Switzerland finalist who was brutally murdered in February of 2024. It's making headlines now this week because just yesterday on Wednesday, her husband was officially charged with murder. And not just murder, he was also charged with disturbing the peace of the dead. That is the charge in Switzerland. That's how they call it. But this case is eerily similar to what we're seeing play out in Massachusetts with the Brian Walsh trial where he is accused of murdering his wife Anna. But more notably, he's admitted to already dismembering his wife's body and then disposing of her remains. In that case, they've never found her body. He's never pointed police in the direction of where it may be and therefore they have a very tall order in court trying to establish cause of death. How did Anna Walsh die? That's been a really huge battle we've seen play out in a courtroom where they're struggling with it. They're trying to show that he murdered her, but they don't have a body. In this case in Switzerland with 38 year old Christina Joximovich, they do have a body, but when you hear what he did with her body, it's remarkable to me that they could figure out that she died by strangulation. I don't know how this works, but those forensic scientists are pretty remarkable.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, we have a murder. I don't know what would have happened if he had gotten rid of her body completely. We might be in the same position or the laws are different over there. Maybe they would not have been able to even charge the man without the body.
Amy Robach
So, yeah, it's different from state to state, different from country to country as to whether or not you can bring murder charges without a body. But they did find the body. Again, he dismembered her. But the most gruesome part of this all, perhaps, is that he then took her body parts and put them in an industrial blender. And police say he was watching YouTube videos while he was doing this. He has pleaded well, he has admitted to killing her, but he is saying that it was in self defense. The prosecutor's office say that does not jibe with the forensics and the evidence that they have. But they noted in court filings they actually got really specific describing Thomas. This is the husband of the victim in this case. And they said he displayed when they interviewed him a remarkably high level of criminal energy, lack of empathy and cold bloodedness. I wonder what a high level of criminal energy refers to.
TJ Holmes
Scary. I don't know. I've never heard a criminal described in such a way. We've heard a lot of stuff, but yeah, I don't know what they meant. If they use that, they reserve that for very special people. That's just a more common term. But I've never heard that.
Amy Robach
Yeah, I haven't either. So I was trying to imagine what that must have been like for them to stare him down and write that and put that in the notes in his court filings that they put in there. They do have two young daughters. They are in the custody of other family members. But the good news at least I can't even imagine. According to reports, it was her own father who saw evidence that his daughter was dead. He actually saw some of her blonde hair and it led police to figuring out what ultimately happened to that young woman. Again, just 38 years old. That is just an unthinkable. I can't get my head around that her own father is who discovered what may have happened to his daughter. That is incredibly difficult. Now, we don't have a trial date yet, but certainly that is going to be. I can only imagine a media circus there in Switzerland because this is a high profile case that has obviously made headlines all the way over here in the United States. But in terms of who this young woman, this mother of two, and these were young girls, by the way. Her youngest was three and the other one was, I believe also just in elementary school. So this is Christina Jokas Simovich and she, as we mentioned, was Ms. Northwest Switzerland. And she was a mentor to several models, but also a role model to a lot of women just looking at her Instagram profile. But it is just incredibly sad. Wanted to just talk about this case that in such a strange way mimics what we're seeing here in Massachusetts. But we certainly wish her family the deepest of condolences and hope that this, you know, I did see online some women's groups just pointing out that this kind of thing happens, that it seems monstrous. Obviously it is. And it makes headlines because of how sensationally she was dismembered and disposed of. But it points to a larger issue about violence against women and that this isn't just about sensationalized media headlines, but about a real problem that when women are women are in danger and oftentimes by the men who purport to love them the most.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, we have to remember, and it's always a reminder, been like this my whole career newsrooms, that why do we care? It's not just sometimes because it's salacious, but when you can add the fact that she was in a beauty pageant, you can add the fact that she was blonde, you can add the fact that her eyes are blue. That oftentimes are stories that get attention. There are some horrific details about this one. But at the same time, we want to remember and remind everybody about this happening to women. Then all of us have a responsibility to talk about the women who are not just former beauty pageant contestants.
Amy Robach
It is true. And you think about the recent stories that have made headlines, even, for instance, the horrific death on the cruise. We're waiting to see if there are charges against the stepbrother. But the young woman who was killed and murdered on that cruise ship, everyone wants to point out that she was a cheerleader. They show her pictures. So, yes, the more attractive you are, perhaps even the whiter you are, the more attention your murder is gets. And that is incredibly sad to the folks and to the women and to the people everywhere who have just as much of a right to be remembered, recognized and to have justice for their families. And oftentimes, media attention like this does lead to greater justice, better results, at least for the family to feel like someone cares, police get involved. And that is a very important point as we cover all of these stories. So thank you everyone for listening to us. We always appreciate you. Of course, we'll continue to keep our eye on the Brian Walsh trial and bring you the very latest developments on that later today. So look for that episode. But in the meantime, thank you for joining us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon. Believe me, the family that takes the Internet on vacation is the family that finds a better beach in peak crab mating season. Be prepared for anything with an ESIM from Airalo. An ESIM is a digital SIM card built into your phone. Download the Airalo app, activate your ESIM and get online in minutes, anytime, anywhere no more surprising roaming fees, Weird public wi fi or fiddly plastic.
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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present – "Former Miss Switzerland Finalist Murdered, Dismembered and Police Say, Put In A Blender By Husband"
Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes (iHeartPodcasts)
This episode centers on the shocking murder case of Christina Joximovich, a former Miss Switzerland finalist, whose 2024 death in Switzerland has made international headlines due to its horrific details and disturbing parallels to the ongoing Brian Walsh trial in Massachusetts. The hosts analyze the legal, forensic, and societal aspects of both cases, specifically focusing on gendered violence, forensic investigation challenges, and media attention on high-profile victims.
Hosts open the episode by contextualizing the Swiss case within the ongoing Brian Walsh trial in Massachusetts, in which a husband is also accused of murdering and dismembering his wife (Anna Walsh).
Key Parallels:
"So here's what we do know...Initially he gave the exact same defense as Brian Walsh, which was...‘I found her dead. I didn't know what to do. I panicked.’"
— Amy Robach [04:07]
Victim: Christina Joximovich, 38, 2007 Miss Switzerland finalist, mother of two, modeling coach.
Suspect: Husband, identified as "Thomas" due to Swiss privacy laws. Father of their two daughters.
Police Findings:
"...they've actually gone so far as to say in the police report that he was watching casual YouTube videos on his phone while he was putting his wife's remains in a blender. That's unthinkable."
— Amy Robach [07:59]
"This is Texas Chainsaw massacre type things. They're describing that something's not right..."
— T.J. Holmes [08:30]
In Switzerland:
"...when you hear what he did with her body, it's remarkable to me that they could figure out that she died by strangulation. I don't know how this works, but those forensic scientists are pretty remarkable."
— Amy Robach [17:19]
In Massachusetts (Brian Walsh case):
"...the whole point of Brian Walsh's defense...what's hindering the prosecution, is that they don't have Anna Walsh's body...without her body, they cannot determine manner of death. And if you can't determine manner of death, how do you prove a murder?"
— Amy Robach [05:47]
Characterization of the Accused:
"They said he displayed when they interviewed him a remarkably high level of criminal energy, lack of empathy and cold bloodedness."
— Amy Robach [18:40]
Personal Fallout:
"According to reports, it was her own father who saw evidence that his daughter was dead. He actually saw some of her blonde hair..."
— Amy Robach [19:27]
Societal Lens:
"It points to a larger issue about violence against women and that this isn't just about sensationalized media headlines, but about a real problem that...women are in danger and oftentimes by the men who purport to love them the most."
— Amy Robach [20:58]
"We want to remember and remind everybody about this happening to women...have a responsibility to talk about the women who are not just former beauty pageant contestants."
— T.J. Holmes [21:41]
"The more attractive you are, perhaps even the whiter you are, the more attention your murder gets. And that is incredibly sad..."
— Amy Robach [22:12]
On the horror of the details:
"This is, I don't know, this is beyond true crime. This is beyond what we can comprehend. This sounds like mental illness. Again, it's just a horrific..."
— T.J. Holmes [10:03]
On societal attempts to understand such crimes:
"...how does someone go from being a seemingly loving father and a loving husband to...being able to do that to another human being to avoid being caught...We want to understand evil. Is that what it is?"
— Amy Robach [09:25]
On the relationship between media coverage and victim identity:
"...when you can add the fact that she was in a beauty pageant...she was blonde...her eyes are blue. That oftentimes are stories that get attention...we want to remember and remind everybody about this happening to women..."
— T.J. Holmes [21:20]