Former NJ Congressional Staffer FAKES Brutal, Racist Attack. The Details Are Jaw Dropping

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode: Former NJ Congressional Staffer FAKES Brutal, Racist Attack. The Details Are Jaw Dropping
Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes

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Episode Overview

In this compelling episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes dive deeply into the shocking case of Natalie Green, a 26-year-old former New Jersey Republican congressional staffer, who faked a violent, politically charged attack on herself. The hosts break down the details of the elaborate hoax, investigative twists, the real evidence, public reactions, and raise pressing questions about motivation, mental health, and the wider social impact.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Case Overview

[03:29]

• TJ Holmes sets the scene: Natalie Green was discovered in a wooded area outside Atlantic City, bound with zip ties, lacerated, and with racist and anti-Trump messages carved into her body.
• Initial reports suggested a hate-motivated, brutal attack by three men with a gun.

“I don’t know how it’s possible that this young lady would be willing to go through what she went through, which was pretty extreme. All for the sake of what? Attention?” — TJ Holmes [03:29]

2. The Shock Value and First Impressions

[04:13 – 06:21]

• Amy expresses disbelief at the story details and physical evidence.
• The hosts emphasize how convincing the injuries appeared — including “Trump Whore” carved on her stomach. Photos were widely circulated and looked like “something out of a horror movie.”

“It looked like something out of a horror movie. And I’m not exaggerating.” — Amy Robach [05:46]

3. Police Investigation & How the Hoax Unraveled

[08:19]

• Early police suspicions arose due to zip ties in Natalie’s car identical to those used in her binding.
• Cell phone data linked her and an unnamed co-conspirator to “zip ties near me” Google searches.

“They found a Google search… What was the Google search? Zip ties near me.” — Amy Robach [09:10]

• Most damning: Messages on Natalie’s phone revealed she paid a “body modification scarification artist” $500 to inflict the precise injuries.

“She actually provided the exact… map of how she wanted her cuts and lacerations and scars to go in a predetermined area. She had it all planned out.” — Amy Robach [11:18]

4. Body Modification Industry & Ethical Questions

[10:31 – 14:00]

• Discussion on scarification as a legal, though unusual, body modification practice.
• Amy and TJ reflect on the ethical and professional responsibilities of the scarification artist.

“Is there any sort of responsibility on the artist’s part if someone asks you to do something pretty horrific to your body?” — Amy Robach [13:12]

5. Reactions & Statements

[14:25 – 21:18]

• The Republican Congressman employing Natalie, Jeff Van Drew, issued a noncommittal, sympathetic statement wishing her “the care she needs.”
• Natalie’s attorney emphasizes her community service, student status, and “presumed innocence,” but avoids addressing motive.
• The hosts compare the case to Jussie Smollett’s 2019 fake crime story, noting major differences in motive and execution.

“She is otherwise a good person and a hard-working person who maybe lost her way.” — Amy Robach [21:44]

6. Motivations, Mental Health, and Legal Fallout

[22:12 – 24:53]

• No official motive has been provided. TJ speculates this was more than attention-seeking—a sign of serious distress or a “cry for help.”
• Amy highlights this was a premeditated, elaborate plan requiring coordination and outside help.
• Questions remain about the role of a co-conspirator who has not been identified or charged; speculation they may become a witness.

“This took a lot of planning. This took a lot of pain. This wasn’t just a silly little something or make a bad decision. This was really thought… She had a lot of moments and times to go, ‘Nah, I don’t want to do this.’” — TJ Holmes [22:42]

7. Impact and Criminal Consequences

[24:53–26:03]

• Amy stresses the real-world waste of police and community resources, making this far from a victimless crime.
• Legal ramifications: Natalie faces up to 10 years in prison and $500,000 in fines if convicted.

“I know people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime, but actually that's not the case...a lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of wasted effort was spent.” — Amy Robach [24:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Unthinkable Nature of the Hoax:
  “It looked like something out of a horror movie. And I’m not exaggerating.” — Amy Robach [05:46]

• On Damning Digital Footprints:
  “They found a Google search… What was the Google search? Zip ties near me.” — Amy Robach [09:10]
  (TJ jokes about the innocence of most “near me” searches, contrasting with this alarming one.)

• On Legal & Ethical Questions:
  “Is there any sort of responsibility on the artist’s part if someone asks you to do something pretty horrific to your body?” — Amy Robach [13:12]

• On Motive and Mental Health:
  “This isn’t a plea for attention. This is a cry for help.” — TJ Holmes [24:26]

• On Seriousness of False Reports:
  “A lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of wasted effort was spent.” — Amy Robach [24:53]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:29 — Introduction to Natalie Green’s case and initial summary
• 04:30 — Legal charges against Natalie Green explained
• 05:32 — Description of the staged injuries and initial police reaction
• 08:19 — Investigation details: zip ties evidence and suspicious Google search
• 09:29 — Discovery of scarification artist connection; payment details
• 10:31–14:00 — Deep dive on scarification and its ethical implications
• 14:25 — Statements from her attorney and Congressman Jeff Van Drew
• 20:19 — Motive comparison to other false crime hoaxes, like Jussie Smollett
• 22:12–24:26 — Reflection on motive, mental health, and co-conspirator
• 24:53 — Significance of wasted community resources, legal ramifications

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Tone and Style

The hosts maintain a mix of incredulity, concern, empathy, and seriousness. Humor is used momentarily, mostly in reaction to absurd or surreal details. Both Amy and TJ are critical of the crime’s impact on public trust and resources, but express sympathy and a desire to understand Natalie Green’s state of mind and motivations.

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Conclusion

Amy and TJ conclude by underlining both the bizarre nature and the seriousness of the crime, its impact on public resources, and the ongoing legal process. The case remains under investigation, with many unanswered questions about motive and possible accomplices.

“She is facing a maximum of 10 years behind bars and up to $500,000 if convicted. So we'll follow this. It is a bizarre one. Certainly got our attention today.” — Amy Robach [26:03]

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This episode is a riveting exploration of an extreme and perplexing crime, peppered with insightful commentary on contemporary social and psychological pressures, law enforcement challenges, and the far-reaching effects of fabricated hate crimes.

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November 21, and a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes, she had cuts all over her body, and someone had written on her trump whore. She said three men did this to her. Well, federal authority authorities now say she did it to herself. And with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. I. I don't know how it's possible that this young lady would be willing to do this and go through what she went through, which was pretty extreme. All for the sake of what? Attention.

[Amy Robach]

Attention. I don't know. She's 26 years old. Her name's Natalie Green. You brought this story to my attention, and the more I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what I was reading.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, so, yeah, we gave kind of the basics there, which are shocking enough. The details take this to a whole new level.

[Amy Robach]

It's unbelievable. So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way, with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and hoaxes and. And another count of making false statements to federal law enforcement. But when you hear what those false statements and what this hoax is, it is. It's hard to get your head around it. This happened in July. She called 911. There was a co conspirator with her. We don't know who that person is. There was another person who was with her saying they had just been attacked by three men with a gun just outside of Atlantic City when law enforcement came upon her. She was in a wooded area. Her hood, I guess her shirt, T shirt was over her head. Her hands and her legs were zip tied. And the condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all over her body. On her face, on her neck, on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.

[TJ Holmes]

And when you see it, folks, you say scrapes and scratches and cuts, and it almost looks like a grid, like she was scraped. Almost look like a grill, if you will. That's all over her body. On what? On the right side? A little bit on her face as well.

[Amy Robach]

On her face. It looked like something out of a horror movie. And I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it's. It looks painful. It looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.

[TJ Holmes]

And when they found her, right, she was Hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying, begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again, given robes. Sometimes what we see in our politics didn't necessarily, as shocking as it was, seem that necessarily far fetched back in July. Because the alternative would be what, that she's making it up?

[Amy Robach]

Nah, nah, not when you see the condition of her body, when you see the amount of cuts she has all over her. And then specifically, sorry, I just made a mess.

[TJ Holmes]

I just threw my glass all over the.

[Amy Robach]

Wow. I didn't know what I was saying was so, so offensive.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, this. I can't believe somebody would do this. I want to turn the table over next. Sorry about that, baby.

[Amy Robach]

Oh my goodness. No. So if so not just the, the violence that was done to her body, but then, yes, the messages, some of this cutting actually had words carved into her and it was Trump whore was written on her stomach. And then we, we don't know, there was a redacted name, but it said federal employee basically is racist. So look, she was working for a Republican congressman. And so yes, I guess if you're a police officer and you walk up on this, you think, my goodness, someone who hates Republicans, someone who is anti Trump, someone who is upset with the Republican Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken this poor staffer and, and abused her.

[TJ Holmes]

And it was, it was vicious and violent. You would, you would think this was a horrific crime. And given that she's 26, she's young, cute girl, all over social media, how could this happen to her? It was that kind of reaction at the time. I don't know at what point in the investigation their minds are even allowed to go there. How could you just not take this young woman looking at her, at her word?

[Amy Robach]

Initially, I would think the police would take her at her word. And as you mentioned, she was crying, she was yelling. She said that the men, these three men, had a gun, they restrained her, held her down there in the woods while they cut her. You know, it's, it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence right there in front of you, this woman is clearly injured. Why would you not believe her?

[TJ Holmes]

But then things start to come apart and, and Rose, they didn't have to do too much forensic analysis to start piecing together that this story didn't sound right.

[Amy Robach]

It, it came, it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first, I believe, clue was from police when they found zip ties in her car that matched like, were identical to the ones that they found binding her legs and her arms the night of the attack. So they find the zip ties in her car, then in this co conspirator who we haven't. This person who was with her. We don't know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's.

[TJ Holmes]

Phone, this was hilarious.

[Amy Robach]

They found a Google search. Man, those Google searches do everybody in, don't they? What was.

[TJ Holmes]

This is funny?

[Amy Robach]

What was the Google search? Zip ties near me.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something in their phone right now, right. That you had that you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosas at 10:30 near me. I probably got something like that. Yes, this was hilarious.

[Amy Robach]

Wine store near me.

[TJ Holmes]

Zip ties near me.

[Amy Robach]

What restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of those are. Those are our Google searches. Food and beverages. Not zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most incredible evidence, the most damning evidence was on her phone. So she followed up. She went back to the FBI and said, you know, I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered. She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI agent that after this attack, where police found her bound and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work. So, see, she's still under attack. She's fearing for her life. And so, of course, the FBI said, let's take a look at your phone. Let's see who's sending you these vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this young lady, Greene, and someone with the job title of modification scarification artist.

[TJ Holmes]

Hmm. Scarification is that.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, there is. So I actually did a deep dive on a Google search on what a modification scarification artist is and what they do. And so they find these messages between the two and a scarification artist are apparently, this is something that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient cultural practice. So people have actually. They go into business where they use techniques to cut, scratch, or brand people. So they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that people do for designs for. For cultural reasons. But, yes, you can hire someone to scar you.

[TJ Holmes]

But this was specifically. What was the first part? You said scarification in something. What was the first part?

[Amy Robach]

It was a body modification scarification artist.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. When I first heard that, I thought this was someone who worked in Hollywood, like this would be some kind of an artist. But you're saying. I didn't see anything that suggested that. But this is not that.

[Amy Robach]

No, this is like.

[TJ Holmes]

This is real, folks. Some cultures, yes.

[Amy Robach]

And it's. It's similar to what we would consider a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin. So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars. And so they found this back and forth between Green and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt. Greene actually paid this artist $500 to scar her body. And she actually provided the exact. Like she gave her a map of how she wanted her cuts and lacerations and scars to go in a predetermined area. She had it all planned out. I didn't know you could hire somebody to do this to you.

[TJ Holmes]

Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.

[Amy Robach]

I didn't know that this is even a thing and I, I just. It's just. I imagine it's a painful process.

[TJ Holmes]

But the. What she. At least from the pictures it looks like she's going to be scarred for life. She has. Like she's been maimed.

[Amy Robach]

That was the intention.

[TJ Holmes]

But she looked like. This is a 26 year old young woman. Why would you put. Why would you do that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of. We don't know. Because I. Nothing I read suggested a motive. At least the federal authorities didn't say we believe she did this for this reason or anything. So we were left to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She has scarred herself for life.

[Amy Robach]

It's. And I'm actually surprised. I don't know. Obviously it's a legal bona fide profession to be a body modification scarification artist. But I wonder, is there any sort of responsibility on the artist's part if someone asks you to do something pretty horrific to your body? Is there any sort of standard or practice that you have to consider before or check someone's mental health or check someone's, you know, just to just say.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, tattoo when you're drunk.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, Exactly. Pay me $500 and I'll scar your whole body. That's just wild to me that this exists.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to write and do for something like this. Is it that you make licensing. I'm very curious if you can be and should be licensed to do something.

[Amy Robach]

When you see these pictures. I'm just imagining and I'm not putting this profession in. Into any negative light. But I'm just thinking as a human being doing that to someone who's asking you to do it to them. What was that like? When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about. This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on her body. This is like. It looks as if she was the victim of a brutal attack.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes. No questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in, here's the money. This is what I want. Okay, Knock yourself out. But this is, it's. I don't know. And again, the, the congressman that she worked for, I mean, he's come out. They don't have it in the official documents. Right. When they're as far as the court documents. But he's come out and mentioned and everybody knows who it is, right?

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And in fact, when we come back, we will tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about this situation and the charges that her client is being charged with. And we will tell you what the man who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey, Congressman, Republican Congressman Jeff vandrue. What he had to say about her arrest.

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Continuing our conversation about this wild story out of New Jersey. A 26 year old former congressional staffer arrested and charged after she paid someone who is in business to be a body modification scarification artist to basically make it look as though she was brutally and viciously attacked, targeted for being or working with a Republican Congressman. She went to great lengths, paid a significant amount of money to literally be tortured and then try to pass it off to police as a brutal attack.

[TJ Holmes]

And the motive, I haven't seen anybody mention one. At least the authorities. What the motive might have been, you can only imagine here this was an attention seeking to an extreme level. And I obviously you hear something like this and you think about the story out of Chicago several years ago with justice. And I say that now. I thought about it of course, when the story came up and I'm reading through articles, I'm scrolling down and sure enough, off to the side, all those algorithm algorithms that put up stories about Jussie Smollett. It's all over. So yeah, they're making the connection and his motive.

[Amy Robach]

Look, not that it was ever a sound one or an okay one, but it was so he could get more money. He was looking to basically create sympathy and he was in the middle of negotiating a contract and he thought by becoming perhaps the victim of some politically motivated crime that there would be a groundswell of support for him and he could get more money in his contract.

[TJ Holmes]

That's at least the motive we were given. Okay, well that, that makes some sense. We have heard nothing about this one yet. And what this could mean, what her.

[Amy Robach]

Attorney had to say, this is, this is what she said. Following these charges being filed at the age of 26, my client served her community working full time to assist the constituents of the Congressman with loyalty and fidelity. She did that while being a full time student. Under the law, she is presumed innocent and reserves all of her defenses for presentation in a court of law.

[TJ Holmes]

We got nothing, right?

[Amy Robach]

We got nothing and we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save it for court. But just remember she was a full time student and working on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey. So she's otherwise a good person and a hard working person who maybe lost her way.

[TJ Holmes]

Sympathy for a student and for a public servant. Yes, yes, but you tell by that if he, if there was something more here, he would come out forcefully. These facts are not correct. Michael. Or even she's had a mental breakdown, he would say something.

[Amy Robach]

Please give her some grace. Exactly. Now, in terms of potential mental breakdown, we did also hear from Representative Andrew's office, who basically in some way alluded to this. This is what their official statement was. Knowing that this young woman did work for them. We are deeply sa. Deadened by yesterday's news. And while Natalie is no longer associated with the congressman's government office, our thoughts and prayers are with her. We hope she is getting the care she needs.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean, he. I mean, that could be physical care, that could be mental care, but I. I do. I mean, I. There's. I don't know. I take a beat. I would love to hear from this girl and what she's been going through and what her life has been like and what. Why she got to such a place. Place that she thought this was an option. This took a lot of planning. This took a lot of pain. This wasn't just a silly little something or make a bad decision. This was really thought she had a lot of moments and times to go, nah, I don't want to do this.

[Amy Robach]

And the other. Yes. Agreed with all of that. That, that. That isn't something that was a rash decision or, you know, kind of a spur of the moment thing. She had to research this scarification artist. She had to. Somehow, I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those details are. The other thing that's glaring to me, that I'm hoping we'll get some more clarity on this other person, this co. Conspirator. So it's one thing if you're having some sort of an issue where you decide premeditated to do all of these things. This other person you would hope would be a voice of reason or at least a sounding board or someone who could say, wait, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And certainly not let me help you do this. That's. That's another wrinkle in this that I have yet to iron out. I don't know.

[TJ Holmes]

That person has not been arrested.

[Amy Robach]

No.

[TJ Holmes]

Has not been identified.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, so we say co conspirator because obviously she had. Somebody had to tie her up. And somebody called 91 1.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

That's more than. Just let me grab some zip ties for you.

[Amy Robach]

And perhaps, you know how these things work in criminal cases. Maybe that person will be the, you know, the. The number one witness to this, and they'll be able to build the case against her. And so they might not file charges against that person because they'll use that person in testimony against Green.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't know why for. I know she's. I don't know, man. I, I give this young lady, I, I'm reserving and I, I just want to give her such a break because there's something. Just feel. There's a desperation, something going on in her life that there. That's not. That's more than a matter of simple. Oh, we talk about social media all the time. If people want instant fame and attention and how do you go about getting it sound? This is more, More than just a. This isn't a plea for attention. This is a cry for help.

[Amy Robach]

It seems it is, but it's also. It's also a crime. And I, and I point that out because the valuable resources that were taken away from something meaningful and actually needed in the community were then given to her who created this elaborate hoax. So, you know, money was spent, time was wasted, and perhaps resources were misdirected when they could have been used somewhere else. I know people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime, but actually that's not the case. When you look and see what goes into someone making a false police report and making people believe that they've been harmed, where there is a search that goes on for these three unidentified men who were on a terror and, you know, tortured this young woman. So a lot of. A lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of wasted effort was spent.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, they had better to do yes than. Yes than do this. But you're right, you're 100. Right. And talking about the resources, but also the, The. The breach for the public because there are people who had real concern for her when all this happened, so concerned for her now for different reasons. But, yeah, she needs to face for a crime.

[Amy Robach]

She is facing a maximum of 10 years behind bars and up to $500,000 if convicted. So we'll follow this. It is a bizarre one. Certainly got our attention today, and we hope you enjoyed listening to this. And again, we'll stay on top of this and all the other wacky stories of the week. This has been.

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[Amy Robach]

I know we've said this a lot, but this has been a hell of a news week, so we appreciate you hanging with us, everybody. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon. This is an I Heart podcast.