Ghislane Maxwell’s Private Prison Emails Leaked; Why is She Talking about Diddy?

Summary

Podcast Summary

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: Ghislaine Maxwell’s Private Prison Emails Leaked; Why is She Talking about Diddy?
Date: November 9, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Duration of Main Discussion: ~[03:19] to [28:51]

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the leaked prison emails of Ghislaine Maxwell, exploring the explosive details regarding her allegedly privileged life in a low-security prison camp. Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes walk through what the emails reveal about Maxwell’s current circumstances, the controversy over her treatment versus other inmates, and the political firestorm ignited by Congressional inquiries. The discussion also covers Maxwell’s interest in Sean “Diddy” Combs’ legal saga and potential connections to Donald Trump, alongside the broader media and public reactions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Leaked Prison Emails: How They Emerged

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s personal prison emails were obtained by NBC News and members of Congress as part of a Congressional investigation ([03:19]-[05:55]).
  • There is controversy about how these emails were leaked and ethical concerns raised by Maxwell’s legal team and family ([05:50]-[06:19]).
  • All inmate communications are monitored; privacy is limited in federal prison ([06:19]-[06:53]).
  • Emails included correspondence with family and lawyers, further raising questions about legal privilege ([08:21]-[08:33]).
  • Notable quote (Amy Robach):

    “Everything as an inmate...is obviously subject to being heard, recorded, acknowledged and used against you. I mean, that’s just...That’s Prison 101.” ([06:34])

2. Maxwell’s Life at FPC Bryan: From Hardship to Alice in Wonderland

• Maxwell describes her new prison facility as clean, safe, and well-managed, lavishing praise on staff and the warden ([06:55]-[07:59]).
  • She writes, “I feel like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland’s looking glass. I am much happier here and more importantly, safe.” ([07:52])
• The description triggered outrage, with other inmates and the public upset over what is perceived as VIP treatment ([07:59]-[08:21]).
• Reports that speaking up about Maxwell’s situation has led to retaliation or transfer to harsher facilities for other inmates ([04:53]-[12:22]).
  • TJ Holmes:

    “People inside the prison now are afraid to even talk about what it’s like with her there, how she’s being treated, what they’ve witnessed.” ([04:53])

  • Amy Robach:

    “The one who did got moved...her lawyer said she was moved to a harsher facility for speaking out or for at least speaking to the media.” ([12:22])

3. Special Treatment Allegations and Political Fallout

• Allegedly, Maxwell enjoys perks such as having meals delivered, late-night workouts, and private showers—privileges denied to others ([10:06]-[10:38]).
  • Justifications for these could be “for her safety,” but the optics and impact on other inmates are controversial ([10:38]-[11:46]).
• A notable incident: Maxwell’s warden expedited her legal paperwork, purportedly to assist with a Supreme Court deadline ([08:33]-[09:45]).
  • Defense attorneys and commentators called this extraordinary and improper.
• Congressional response: Representative Jamie Raskin calls out the apparent “Maxwell gag order” and seeks a visit to investigate, with a deadline for answers from the warden ([12:45]-[14:14]).
  • Amy Robach:

    “Members of Congress want to go to this facility in Texas...to actually understand whether or not Maxwell is getting unfair VIP treatment. This is where we are right now.” ([13:28])

4. Maxwell, Trump, and the Source of the Scandal

• Maxwell reportedly praised former President Trump in interviews just before her transfer, fueling speculation about political favoritism ([14:45]-[15:32]).
  • Amy Robach notes,

    “...she had wonderful things to say about President Trump...and voila, she, within days is then moved to this posh prison camp.” ([15:16])

• The hosts highlight that Congressional scrutiny may be motivated in part to keep the Epstein/Trump scandal in the public eye, especially with ongoing government dysfunction ([15:58]-[16:33]).

5. Class, Privilege, and Public Perception

• There’s resentment around Maxwell—someone raised in extraordinary wealth—getting better prison conditions ([17:08]-[17:28]).
  • Holmes and Robach discuss that Americans generally despise perceived “privileged” treatment, even behind bars ([17:38]-[17:52]).
  • TJ Holmes:

    “Even behind bars they are living privileged lives. That’s important. That’s worth looking into, that is worth noting for a person who...is convicted now of doing some of the most monstrous things you can imagine...” ([17:38])

6. Maxwell's View on Sean “Diddy” Combs

• Maxwell closely followed Diddy’s case from prison and remarked in one email: “What an interesting sentence for Diddy! Exclamation point.” ([25:00]-[25:12])
  • The hosts speculate Maxwell might compare his case and treatment to her own—both have faced sex crime convictions, albeit of different types ([25:35]-[25:54]).
• Parallels also drawn between complaints about food, fear, and fighting in both Diddy and Maxwell’s prison lives ([24:06]-[24:39]).

7. Maxwell’s Legal Status and the Prospect of Clemency

• Maxwell’s final Supreme Court appeal was denied; her only remaining hope is presidential clemency ([26:20]-[26:44]).
• Trump has not ruled out pardoning Maxwell, fueling speculation ([26:44]-[27:19]).
  • Amy Robach:

    “He 100% is considering it. If he didn’t want to do it, if he wasn’t going to do it, he would tell us. He’s a pretty straight shooter when it comes to that kind of thing.” ([27:19])

• The hosts debate the political risks for Trump and public reaction should he take this step ([27:19]-[28:03]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amy Robach on Prison Life:

  “Fear, food and fighting?...Pretty much the three Fs you don’t want to be around.” ([24:06])

• TJ Holmes on Public Priorities:

  “Is anybody in middle America giving a God damn whether or not she’s getting a smoothie every morning or gets to shower by herself?” ([16:33])

• On Privacy in Prison:

  “I want some privacy here, please.” – TJ Holmes ([06:53])

• On Political Motives:

  “They’re going after the special treatment that is alleged to have been given to her by the Trump administration. Ding, ding, ding, ding.” – Amy Robach ([14:45])

• On Maxwell’s Outlook:

  “I feel like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland’s looking glass. I am much happier here and more importantly, safe.” – Ghislaine Maxwell (email, read by Robach) ([07:52])

• On Pardoning Diddy vs. Maxwell:

  “I think Ghislaine Maxwell would hurt [Trump] more significantly...He has not said, no, I won’t be pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell.” – Amy Robach ([27:38])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:19] – Start of Maxwell and prison email discussion
• [06:55] – Maxwell’s descriptive email of FPC Bryan
• [08:33] – Email revealing warden’s unusual intervention
• [10:06] – Alleged prison “perks” and special treatment
• [12:45] – Congressional inquiry and Representative Raskin’s letter
• [14:45] – Political angle: Trump connection and Maxwell’s move
• [17:38] – Discussion of class, privilege, and public anger
• [24:06] – Parallels between Maxwell and Diddy’s prison experience
• [25:00] – Maxwell’s thoughts on Diddy’s sentence
• [26:20] – Maxwell’s Supreme Court appeal status and pursuit of presidential clemency
• [26:44] – Trump leaves pardon question open
• [28:03] – “Why would he [pardon her]?”

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Tone and Style

The episode is conversational yet probing, blending Robach’s investigative clarity with Holmes’s sardonic humor. The hosts don’t shy from skepticism—of the system, the political motives at play, or celebrity privilege—and frequently pepper the discussion with pointed, sometimes incredulous commentary and laughter.

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Final Thoughts

Listeners walk away with a nuanced look into how Ghislaine Maxwell’s life behind bars and her public/political associations continue to stir controversy. The episode highlights America’s obsession with power, privilege, and justice—on both sides of the prison bars. It raises timely questions about transparency, fairness, and the way high-profile inmates are treated, especially when politics and public perception collide.

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It is Sunday, November 9th, and Ghislaine Maxwell in her own words. But some folks are pissed we are hearing these words at all. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. She just won't go away.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, we people can't get enough.

[TJ Holmes]

This wasn't supposed, and this isn't even a feel like it would be a big deal, but it's making headlines because Ghislaine Maxwell's personal emails have now made it out into the public. And this is some fascinating stuff, including she was keeping an eye on Viddy's trial as well. Just one of the funny, I say funny, but interesting little things in her emails.

[Amy Robach]

Look, there's so much mystery surrounding her, her role in the whole Jeffrey Epstein scandal. She's denied any involvement in any criminal activity, but certainly we have so many of these young women saying very different things. And obviously she was found guilty, convicted, spending 20 years behind bars. She is a convicted, period. Yes. A convicted child molester or, you know, she is the worst of the worst and not a woman that most people want in this low security prison camp, so to speak.

[TJ Holmes]

And wouldn't she be the only type of offender like this at that place? People are there for financial crimes, nonviolent.

[Amy Robach]

Offenders at this facility. And so a lot has been leaked about what her life is like, the treatment she's getting. And there are now allegations about special treatment, VIP treatment. And certainly her just being in that facility in and of itself hasn't been, hasn't been answered.

[TJ Holmes]

It's never been explained.

[Amy Robach]

Never.

[TJ Holmes]

She did the interviews that weekend, she got moved and that's the end of the story.

[Amy Robach]

And when you hear how she describes where she is now, it's gonna piss people off because, and it's certainly pissing off the other inmates who have spoken and those and a few who have spoken out have been moved, have been, have been taken out of this apparently posh facility and moved to harsher facilities. So people inside the prison now are afraid to even talk about what it's like with her there, how she's being treated, what they've witnessed, what they've noticed. And now there is some real, there are some real questions by Congress and they have, yes, they've gotten their hands on these emails.

[TJ Holmes]

You said allegations about like special treatment or suggestions about how nice the place is or whatever. Oh, she has confirmed it now.

[Amy Robach]

She has.

[TJ Holmes]

She has explained in these emails. Yeah, it's going pretty good here.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So my situation is improved by being at Brian. But I wanted to read this one was sent in August, so shortly after she was moved.

[TJ Holmes]

Again, how we explain how we're getting these. Essentially this is about a congressional investigation.

[Amy Robach]

A congressional investigation. So they were able to somehow, and we don't know how they got their hands on her private personal emails, but somehow NBC News did as well. So NBC News is now releasing the contents of these emails, much to the chagrin of her lawyer and her family members who were writing these emails back and forth with her. They're extremely upset about it and. But man, they do lift the veil and they are fascinating.

[TJ Holmes]

Do I have right though? You're not. Are you entitled to any privacy as a federal inmate? Don't they monitor all your phone calls? Don't they monitor everything you do electronically? This is not necessarily a vic, I'm saying, but it's suggestion. They monitor you, so.

[Amy Robach]

Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

They might be pissed, but.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly. And everything as an inmate, you know, you do say is obviously subject to being heard, recorded, acknowledged and used against you. I mean, that's just. That's Prison 101. Not that I would know, but it's 101. I would think if you were an inmate, you should know that by now.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, I want some privacy here, please.

[Amy Robach]

I'd like to have a private phone call. Yes. And I do believe if you're speaking to your lawyer, I don't know if there's some sort of privilege there, but if you're putting it in the email using a prison computer, I do think you might lose that benefit. Okay, this is from Ghislaine to one of her relatives. They didn't distinguish which one sent on August 8th. Brian is a different beast in every possible respect. It is a well managed, well run institution with an excellent warden who leads from the top. She is a true professional and the best representative of the BOP I have met. The food is legions better, the place is clean, the staff responsive and polite. This is my favorite. I haven't seen or heard the usual foul language or screaming accompanied, accompanied by threats leveled at inmates by anyone. I have not seen a single fight, drug deal passed out, person or naked inmate running around, or several of them congregating in a shower, exclamation point. In other words, I Feel like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland's looking glass. I am much happier here and more importantly, safe. So, yes, everyone can breathe a sigh.

[TJ Holmes]

That sounds better than our apartment building. Jesus. Every once in a while, we see a naked dude outside.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, my goodness. And you know, but when people really reacted to that, they got even more upset when they read another email to her attorney. So this one is to Maxwell's attorney. This was just in September.

[TJ Holmes]

Now I'm curious, how does that work? A correspondence between her and her attorney is put out publicly.

[Amy Robach]

Yep.

[TJ Holmes]

And I mean, is it a matter. They're not discussing a legal case. Is it okay. I wonder.

[Amy Robach]

No, they are discussing how they're handling their legal case, though, which is interesting. So. And that's why this has. This email in particular has drawn the ire of a lot of folks and has some members of Congress asking more questions and wanting more answers. So Ghislaine writes to her attorney September 16th. Hello. I spoke to the warden about the problem with the mail telling her the documents have not arrived yet. We're now on day seven. I explained we have a deadline that hinges on the Supreme Court, and I was hoping to have two turns of the document before it files with the court, possibly as soon as the end of the month. Her creative solution was that you em, scan it to her and she will scan back my changes. Exclamation point. Of course. That is fantastic, as it saves us days and days. I assume you're fine with this. So criminal defense attorneys. Point. Who have clients in that same facility at fpc, Brian says this should never happen. The warden does not help inmates figure out issues with correspondence, with legal briefings or with your lawyer. So he said it like this. It would be like the head of a large corporation of a manufacturing plant regularly having contact with people on the assembly line. He just doesn't happen.

[TJ Holmes]

You would call that person a good CEO. Good CEOs hands on one of the people. I don't know this warden at all. As a woman. Right.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

This place.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Don't know at all. Now, the one you read previous almost sounded like she wanted it to get out publicly. She was praising her in such a way that, like, wait a minute. Is she trying to make sure this message is seen by someone that was a little effusive.

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[Amy Robach]

Correct. And so Congress now looking into those emails, in addition to a Wall Street Journal article last month that described the accommodations that Ghislaine has, that she has visitors and other perks, she has meals sent to her room, she doesn't have to go down and eat with everyone else. Late night workouts. Her ability to shower after other inmates are already in bed for the night. So there are a lot of inmates. This is what they are telling the Wall Street Journal and other outlets, that she is getting to do things that other inmates aren't able to do.

[TJ Holmes]

But does it make any sense that they're doing that for her safety and not for just her convenience?

[Amy Robach]

That would be the justification. But it still certainly doesn't look right and smell right to a lot of other folks who are watching this.

[TJ Holmes]

To your point, yes, that is correct. But if I heard the warden say it, having her here has been so disruptive to our population that we're keeping her away. And didn't we hear at some point other inmates didn't want anything to do with or want to be around her?

[Amy Robach]

Well, there are. There was somebody who actually fired a shot and people. Other inmates were actually concerned about their own safety. They've had to add security. They've had to put back up a black tarp that they had taken down. So inmates were able to look out beyond the barbed wire and the gates, and now they can't because they've had to. They've had to make significant adjustments in security and certain, like, logistics because Ghislaine is there. So certain perks that the inmates had, they don't have anymore. And that's certainly interesting. But, yes, you mentioned the other emails. There were some other just interesting ones. She was voicing frustration with the media and with other people, perhaps fellow inmates selling rubbish stories and making money from their lies. We understand that frustration makes sense.

[TJ Holmes]

No, well, you can imagine, you. You're in there, you have access to the person that everybody wants access to, Ghislaine Maxwell. You just looking at her walking through the place, somebody would pay money to have that information.

[Amy Robach]

The Wall Street Journal admitted that they sent, I believe, 100 letters or emails to inmates trying to get information about what the situation was like there. So, yes, there are active reporting going on where they are trying to get other inmates to talk about what it's like with Ghislaine.

[TJ Holmes]

How many responses did they get from those?

[Amy Robach]

They had quite a few in their article. Some were named, some were unnamed. But certainly, yeah, it was really.

[TJ Holmes]

Inmates are putting their name on this.

[Amy Robach]

Well, the one who did got moved the next. Next day. She once. Once it was published within days, her lawyer said she was moved to a harsher facility for speaking out or for at least speaking to the media. And so that is Interesting.

[TJ Holmes]

And here's my question. Are you not allowed to do that as an inmate, or do you have to get permission to do it as an inmate? Because, of course, we have inmates do interviews from the jailhouse all the time. But why is this one so it's.

[Amy Robach]

Interesting you asked that. So Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, he's one of the ones who's made an inquiry about this VIP treatment and about the Washington Journal. Sorry, the Wall Street Journal article. And he specifically talked about the retaliation that these inmates have been threatened with if they speak about Maxwell to the media. And so here's what he said. While prison officials may limit inmates First Amendment rights to preserve security and order, you have provided no such justification for why prison security requires a Ghislaine Maxwell gag order. And he wrote that to the prison camp warden who we've been talking about.

[TJ Holmes]

A Ghislaine Maxwell gag order. I don't know what they're allowed to do.

[Amy Robach]

And so Representative Raskin has actually given Warden hall a deadline, November 13th. So next Thursday, he's saying, you need to provide documentation to Congress and coordinate a visit with me to speak so that we can go and speak with inmates about their experiences. So now members of Congress want to go to this facility in Texas to speak directly with inmates so that they can actually understand whether or not Maxwell is getting unfair VIP treatment. This is where we are right now. Our government is shut down. We have flights being canceled. We have workers missing a full month's pay. But we're gonna have members of Congress travel to Texas to interview inmates to see if Ghislaine Maxwell is getting special treatment.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, I didn't put that together, but when you put all. When you say that out loud. Give me a break. I know how important some. But if it's the most important thing to make sure she doesn't have a plush blanket in prison, that's low on the list of priorities right now. Don't, don't. Don't get pissed that she's there. Find out why she's there before you go talk to other. And what is the point of this?

[Amy Robach]

It's politics.

[TJ Holmes]

What? But this is because you win points by saying, I'm going after Ghislaine. No, no, no. They're not even going. Yes, they are going after her.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, well, they're going after the special treatment that is alleged to have been given to her by the Trump administration. Ding, ding, ding, ding. So, obviously, just to point out for everyone, just a quick refresher, but I'm sure you need no refreshing that Ghislaine was moved within days of speaking to Assistant Attorney General Todd Blanch. She gave that two day, nine hour session where she gave all the information she says she had about Epstein's clients. Interestingly, again, if you don't remember, she had wonderful things to say about President Trump and the fact that he never acted in any way untoward towards any of the girls, that he was a gentleman. And voila, he, she, within days is then moved to this posh prison camp. I say posh, but kush, whatever.

[TJ Holmes]

She, she praised Trump about as much as she praises warden. This woman is a survivor. I mean, but some of the words she reserved for this warden, and I remember some, she didn't just have to say, I didn't see Trump do anything wrong or illegal. I think he's a wonderful leader. He's done so impressive. What he's. She went a little far, but he's the. Is he now her only option for getting out of prison?

[Amy Robach]

Yes, 100%. And you can understand why now some of these Democrats are going after this because they see this as a way to keep the Jeffrey Epstein conversation in the zeitgeist and that that doesn't bear well for Trump. And so at least that's what they're hoping, that it makes Trump look bad because all the connections between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein so they can keep this story alive, the more emails they can get, a visit down there to show, hey, we're gonna make sure that this inmate isn't getting special treatment by the Trump administration. That is what this is all about.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay? I hear everything you're saying, I can't disagree with, but when we started this, my head wasn't there. I was thinking, oh yeah, these things are coming out. It's a little interesting. But you piece it all together and when you said shut down, that was the part that stings. We are what, 40 day 40 now? Longest in history. Snap benefits dried up, people are struggling. Is anybody in middle America giving a God damn whether or not she's getting a smoothie every morning or gets to shower by herself? Look, I know for the families and they don't want her to have something nice or to have a luxury life, if you will, behind bars.

[Amy Robach]

But right now, I hear you on the timing. I do think people care if people of power and people of position. This was a woman who was wildly wealthy and had so much and I know she had some a downfall of her father, but she was raised in how many bedrooms of a house? Like 50 something, right?

[TJ Holmes]

50 something, room, mansion.

[Amy Robach]

So you have this very powerful woman who now is getting, it seems as though she's getting preferential treatment. And there's nothing that people hate more than that.

[TJ Holmes]

Even behind bars they are living privilege, privileged lives. That's important. That's worth looking into, that is worth noting for a person who, who is convicted now of doing some of the most monstrous things you can imagine, which is abuse of children.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, exactly. And that her fellow inmates feel the same way because they actually don't want to be associated with, be around someone who committed a crime like that. They don't feel like they're, they should be subjected to being around someone like that.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, well, I guess if I say to everybody right now, hey folks, quick, who are the two most famous inmates in the country? You would probably come up with the two names, certainly Ghislaine Maxwell and the other Sean Diddy Combs. And apparently we all weren't the only ones keeping an eye on that trial. We'll tell you what Ghislaine Maxwell had to say about Diddy, his trial and his sentence.

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[TJ Holmes]

All right, folks, we continue now. Ghislaine Maxwell apparently is living it up in prison and Congress wants to do something about it. Yes, we've been talking about her emails being released now. Some interesting stuff in there. But she certainly is made clear in some of these emails that have now been released that things are going better for her in this low minimum security prison. What do you call it? Prison Club Med Club is what it's called Club Fed.

[Amy Robach]

And I actually wanted so Ghislaine's attorney has been dealing with a bunch of incoming now with folks upset about these emails, and they're upset that they've been released. It's unclear how the House committee got these emails, and it's absolutely unclear how NBC News got these emails. So that is unknown. But her family has spoken out. They're very upset about the fact that their private emails have now been made public, which I get. And her attorney also said the same thing. But I did appreciate this line. He said it's time to get over the fact that she is in a safer facility. We should want that for everyone.

[TJ Holmes]

What do you say?

[Amy Robach]

That's a hard thing to refute.

[TJ Holmes]

That period, point blank. Well, okay, fine. But, yeah, there's a. There's a lot of inmates who are deserving of that. Why does she get it?

[Amy Robach]

Exactly. And look, we've heard complaints. She was complaining about in her previous facility. The food, the fighting her, the fear that she had. She talked about how disgusting the situation and her living conditions were very similar to what we heard from Sean Diddy Combs.

[TJ Holmes]

Did you say fear, food and fighting?

[Amy Robach]

Pretty much the three Fs you don't want to be around.

[TJ Holmes]

I've never been in prison.

[Amy Robach]

Neither have I.

[TJ Holmes]

But if you asked me to describe it, those. I would have described that it's not fighting. People are usually scared, and the food sucks. I mean, I don't. Okay, Ghislaine, Exactly.

[Amy Robach]

I felt like we heard the exact same thing from Diddy, though. He was complaining about the food. And that does not. Again, doesn't make other people see these folks of privilege who've probably had Michelin Star meals their entire lives, complaining about the rubber chicken they're getting in prison.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, but he was at MDC in Brooklyn. That's a notorious facility.

[Amy Robach]

I'm not saying it was easy. Yes, but we did. Among the many emails that we got from Ghislaine, we were able to see there was an excerpt from one where apparently Ghislaine Maxwell was following the Sean Diddy Combs trial just like the rest of us.

[TJ Holmes]

She was probably listening to our podcast.

[Amy Robach]

I'm sure she was. Yes. So she. She was paying attention. She wrote this in an email. What an interesting sentence for Diddy. Exclamation point.

[TJ Holmes]

Who did she write that one to say?

[Amy Robach]

No, I don't know. But that's so bizarre to me. Like, she's almost being cheeky about his sentence. Comparing his to hers, maybe. Obviously, she had a much longer sentence.

[TJ Holmes]

That is the one in all. All the emails. You Say, and that was just a short little line, little quip of all of them, that was the one I would like to follow up with her about.

[Amy Robach]

So tell me, what did you really think? Do you think he deserved all that time behind bars? I mean, I guess, look, there aren't similarities, and yet there are still sex crimes involved. Just, yeah, very different. But maybe some people might say no. So it is, I guess it would make sense that maybe she wanted to see what a jury would throw at him versus what she was faced with because her attorney, her family members, chic all, they all claim she did nothing wrong. She's been fighting this whole time. But remember, in October, the Supreme Court declined to hear her appeal. So that email that we saw her sending to her lawyer where the warden was helping her with all of that material, or at least getting it expedited, that was all in preparation for this Supreme Court appeal. That didn't happen.

[TJ Holmes]

And that is it for her, that there is no more, there's no legal avenue she is pursuing at this point. The Supreme Court said we ain't trying to hear it. The appeals are done.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly. So presidential clemency is her only option at this point. Right now, her projected Release date is 2037. So. And look, the latest we've heard from Trump is still up in the air. He's kept the Diddy thing going, and he's kept the Glenn Maxwell thing going because. Right.

[TJ Holmes]

Shut it down.

[Amy Robach]

No, because he didn't. Right after the Supreme Court made their decision not to hear her appeal, he told reporters he would speak with the Justice Department and, quote, would have to take a look at whether he would consider a pardon.

[TJ Holmes]

He hasn't shut. They, they refuted a TMZ report that he was going to pardon Diddy, but they didn't say, no, he won't be pardoning Diddy. He has not said, no, I won't be pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Why?

[TJ Holmes]

Don't know. Maybe he is. But this, you have to come to the conclusion he's considering it. It's not off the table.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, I absolutely agree. He 100% is considering it. If he didn't want to do it, if he wasn't going to do it, he would tell us. He's a pretty straight shooter when it comes to that kind of thing. If he doesn't want to do something.

[TJ Holmes]

He will tell you he's deciding and what this means to him, what it does for him, which one would hurt him more politically?

[Amy Robach]

I think Ghislaine Maxwell would hurt him more Significantly, I think he could pardon Diddy and people might agree and feel like a lot of folks might say that was the right thing to do. He spent a little bit of time in prison, but now he shouldn't have to serve the rest of it out. So I actually don't think that would hurt him very much at all.

[TJ Holmes]

You make a good point. But delay.

[Amy Robach]

I don't. I was shocked. I have to say, I was shocked when he did not shoot that down.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, Internet might explode if he pardoned.

[Amy Robach]

So then the question becomes why would he? Right. And that's when people start to really, why would he? Why would he? And, and the reasoning behind it, people would say is that he knows Ghislaine knows something and she's being cool and praising him and saying all the right things because she knows he knows that she knows. But that's just what some folks say. Clearly no one can possibly know what really has gone on between those two, but it does. It is a head scratcher that he has not come out and said, we're done. I am not pardoning her, but we shall see. And we will certainly keep our eye on all of this. We thank you for listening to us on this Sunday. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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