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Welcome, everyone, to this edition of Amy and TJ.
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It's Friday, October 24th, and this week there is life imitating art in the middle of making art. But if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures, this week's episode is actually really scary. As in real life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventures shows the moment when one of its stars, Erin Goodwin, receives a call from police.
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While he's in the middle of filming.
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This week's episode that's called Holly Dale, Asylum of Hell. And tj, you said you remember hearing about reading about this story as it happened earlier this year.
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Oh, yeah. This has been going on for a while. A lot of people will be familiar, but I mean, we, a lot of people are into true crime these days. They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your. I say your. But all of us, when your favorite, most intriguing and captivating episodes you can see is when there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind the scenes video, the cop video. They're just intriguing stories. But we got a guy that now a lot of people are familiar with is caught up in this. And yeah, this week we saw saw on video. I guess this is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the first time we're seeing it.
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That's right. So while Aaron was there in the middle of a filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then gets a call from hell, literally. And he says he will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting and the history of this location, he's now finding out that something was going on in his own home that he had no idea was happening. And we see the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house. He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they were arresting his wife. And in an alleged plot to kill.
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Him, what was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce.
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She just didn't want a divorce. And she actually asks. We'll get into her text messages back and forth with. She was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate in a Florida prison. And she basically asked, am I a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather than divorce him? The answer's yes. And if you have to ask, why would you ask an inmate?
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Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already, you're gonna go through the story there. But the case itself has, for the most part Been resolved? Yes, but it's back in the headlines this week because of this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks ago or months ago that this was coming, but it threw me to see the headline that they kept this in there.
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That absolutely threw me as well. And I hadn't been keeping up with. I'm familiar with this TV show, and by the way, it's a hit TV series on Discovery, Ghost Advent. It's been on the air since 2008.
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So for almost 20 years.
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And this is a team that researches the locations, the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings. And then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is, this historically haunted place. And they use equipment overnight to try and capture evidence, like audio recordings, some sort of visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing this successfully. And so many people love Aaron Goodwin and love the show. And we're just appalled to hear that this could have been happening. But this is what viewers saw this week. And if you haven't seen it, definitely worth a tune in. But literally, they're filming and Goodwin says, dude, and then says, bro, the police are at my house. He goes outside to take the call and they freeze the video. And the host, Zach Bagan, says, at this point, we will not be showing any further footage. But it is at this moment that Aaron receives. Receives a call from the police that his wife has been arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman to have Aaron killed. That is an un and someone who deals with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.
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No. And again, it was in the moment his head was someone. Not that you're ever being the right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given where he was and what he was going through, cameras are rolling and looking at him. And that's not. I mean, I don't know how you could get that message and not be surprised. I don't know you're ever going to get it and say, yeah, this reads, sell the writing on the wall. Things weren't going well. And I'm no. The person you sharing how long they've been married.
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They got married in 2022.
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Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long they've been together. But still, you're somebody you decide you're going to marry. You don't imagine that person's going to.
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Try to kill you.
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No. And it's shocking to know maybe even sometimes that someone wants to divorce you or has fallen out of love with you. That's shocking enough. But to go ahead and skip those steps and go straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring to commit murder. And they found, they say they uncovered the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this Florida inmate. His name is Grant Amato. And she said, I want to leave my marriage. I want to plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police are reading about information she has given this inmate about where he is filming. Like his filming schedule. Within the messages, she actually wrote this. He's asleep right now in the hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can I get an update? Was it done?
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Okay, and why? How'd this work? The inmate, she's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then finding somebody for her. Right. So correct. I don't know how she thought. And again, she's communicating not on some signal app, you know, the one that uses the Pentagon or some other secure channel. She's just Facebook messaging this guy.
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Yes.
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And thinks nobody's gonna find it.
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Okay, and you want to know how she even found this inmate?
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She was watching TV like the rest of us watching some true crime show. And, ah, he looks like a good one. I never thought of using it as a recruiting tool, but she apparently did.
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That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that. Yes, she actually admitted to detectives while she was being interviewed before her arrest that she had become aware of the Florida inmate they were confronting her with. Hey, we know you've been communicating with this inmate. How did you meet him? Through a true crime documentary and began writing to him.
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How much of this. I mean, I hear that. I mean, it's. Some of the details aren't believable. Criminals aren't smart. But you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of. Yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another, but why? What is going on? We watch these true crime stories all the time. And yes, snapped is one of our favorites and has everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing somebody for the most part. How you get to that point, why divorce is not an option for a lot of people.
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Like, it's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the time of her messages to this inmate, she said that she and Aaron were going through problems in their marriage. Okay.
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It's called marriage.
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That's. Yes. Show me a marriage that hasn't had problems.
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George Clooney and Jamal, didn't they say. They said they never fight.
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I forgot they never fight, and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay. But she then also told the inmate, she described herself as being lonely. And so then she said she began connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was some sort of romantic element to her connection with this inmate, but, yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with this inmate, talking about how she didn't feel connected to her husband, to suddenly saying, hey, I'd like to murder my husband. That seems like a major leap.
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Well, just a short. Just one small step for. Miss Scotland's a good one, I should say.
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That is so concerning.
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But you're right.
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We do see this all the time in true crime stories.
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Anyway, if she actually was a true.
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Crime fan, she should know that these never end well.
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You know, this is very. That's a very good point. There is. You don't learn when you watch true crime shows how to commit a murder or how to commit a crime or how to get away with it. You learn you are not going to get away with it. You just are not in these steps. She's leaving this kind of tr. I don't know what was going on with her, what she was thinking, but this is. I don't know. There's. There's something. I don't know. I missed something to the story. Yeah. She's going to jail. How long? It's 36 to 90 months. Correct.
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In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was sentenced to 36 to 90 months in prison. So what is that, three years? Three years at least. Right. She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing to Aaron. She said, I'm so immensely sorry for the pain and anxiety I have caused you and the betrayal you undoubtedly and rightfully feel by my actions. She said that she's consumed with regret every day and is ashamed and disappointed with herself. I mean, thank goodness police did intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime are stories where they describe being ashamed and disappointed and consumed with regret after having had their loved one killed. So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the silver lining that this was found out ahead of time.
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And he. He spoke as well, I know, at that hearing. But this. He spoke on this idea, like, how can you. How can. Is he not Looking over his shoulder the rest of his life.
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Exactly.
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Even if he truly believes nobody is or his wife at least no more is trying to this changes everything.
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How could you think there's somebody out.
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There who actually went through the motions of getting you killed that that changes his I mean he spoke on that and this how he has changed forever because of this that's look it's disappoint look marital problems are difficult enough. Divorce is hell now you add this other element to all of that hell already in a relationship I can't imagine.
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And have it play out literally on the television show that you're a star.
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On why they make that choice, I wonder.
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He probably had to okay it but it was so public anyway he probably just figured you know what he didn't.
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Have to have that scene though.
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He didn't have it was a choice. It was a choice.
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I just want. I mean maybe it is this is part of just getting it out there. It's been talked about I don't want to be as cynical as thinking oh this is going to be a good promotional thing. I don't want to be that kind of cynical even though it's is obviously it is it is a big thing I don't want to say that but maybe it was a choice that had more to do with closure had more to do with keeping the public informed and letting them in on or I'll obviously it's a full disclosure to where how this went down like this is real folks so who knows why but that was an interesting choice. Not sure what I would have done.
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Yeah well Aaron Goodwin actually has been pretty open about it has been speaking about about it and actually talked about it this week on his social media. We're going to go through their relationship real quickly and it is pretty remarkable how recently they were seemingly in love to what Goodwin's response has been about the publicity surrounding this week's episode and certainly what he's been going through.
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Welcome back to this episode of Amy and tj, where we are talking ghost adventure star. He has had a hell of a week, Aaron Goodwin, and he certainly had a hell of a year this week. In this latest episode of his hit show, we actually see the moment where he receives a phone call from police telling him that they are arresting his wife for plotting to have him murdered. And so, yes, this has all been going on this year. She pleaded guilty, she was sentenced, and you go back just a few years to the beginning of their relationship. And the pair got married in August of 2022. So, yeah, just three years ago at Disneyland. And that was a little bit later than they wanted. They had originally set their wedding for May of 2020, and of course the pandemic took over. So they've been together for quite some time. But I guess she was really into the ghost adventure theme. They got actually engaged, or at least they took pictures of their celebration in Disneyland at the Haunted Mansion as part of their celebration. So they really leaned into the whole ghost thing there.
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That's not starting off at Disneyland. That's probably not a good start.
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Yeah. And maybe at the Haunted Mansion. But he wrote, it finally happened. We got married after postponing many times to Covid. We got our day. I couldn't be happier. It's just so sad to think about what went wrong in those three years.
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What went wrong? Nothing went wrong enough. That murder seemed to be an option.
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Nothing could be justifiable enough.
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And there's no accusations of him doing no anything of any kind towards her emotionally, physically or otherwise. Nothing like that. So don't know what happens. Yes, relationships break down for all kinds of reasons. And sad every time I see it. This is a sad one as well. And we never know what happens. And we've learned this plenty and we've experienced this plenty. You don't know what's going on in somebody else's life. Relationship, marriage. No matter what they're saying or showing to you on social media, just please, man, give everybody a break when they.
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Look like they're doing well and when.
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They don't look like they're doing well. You gotta give people a break.
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It's such a good reminder. And even Aaron Goodwin himself went on Instagram this week and he. I loved what he put out there. It's another reminder. You know, we think celebrities are insulated or that if people have money or success that somehow they don't feel the same things we all feel. And this is what he said because obviously he's being inundated by requests from people who want to talk to him after this week's episode. But he said this to all the press out there messaging me, thank you for all reaching out and being awesome. But unfortunately I can't talk about anything yet. I could tell you guys I'm doing okay, but I would rather be honest. Just know I'm not doing good at all. And every day is worth worse with all I'm learning all the time. They say in time everything gets better, but I just want the divorce to be over so I can move on with my life. Honestly, I probably couldn't make it through an interview without being in tears and I'm just not ready yet. This has been the worst year of my life.
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Yeah, I get that. It was almost a way to just kind of everybody give me a break. I'm just being straight with you and get this over with and move on. I can imagine how he's being inundated to talk about what? Right.
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How it feels.
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I. Yes. We work in an industry where interviews are a big deal and we love to have big gets. If, if I had the opportunity and say, would you want to interview him or have a drink with him? I said, yeah, I'll take the drink.
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Exactly.
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So we're just gonna sit down and talk to this guy? Yeah.
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What's he gonna say? I mean, it's the ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved, the person who you devoted your life to, isn't just not in love with you, is trying to actively kill you. And actually the last text message asked if it was done, like, that's really scary and it shakes your trust to your core of humans.
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You know, there's a lot, I mean, there's. You say ultimate betrayal there, it's. It's that we've seen crimes of passion, plenty of those. Somebody gets hot in a moment, rage, Right. She had time to rethink what she was doing and go, this is a bad idea. There was a lot of steps involved in what she was doing, which I think does for a couple of things, make this more difficult to understand what was going on. She's not just crazy, is she? She didn't just become all of a sudden some homicidal maniac. What happens to people to make them capable of this? Were they always capable of this? What happens?
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That's the question.
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That's a normal person's life that turns.
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Them into a monster murderer plotting to.
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Cold blooded this Is.
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This is thoughtful. This is. This is. I don't get it.
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The more you talk about it the more I feel like 36 months doesn't seem like enough. Because that's a little. That's scary. I can't imagine knowing that someone who tried to kill me and actually thought they had and was okay with it would be out on the streets in three years.
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You know we've seen. I know you remember this now but I'm always taken when we see these stories on true crime. At the end the person who the murder for hire plot. If the person didn't get killed then the person has usually fairly lighter sentence.
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Than you would imagine.
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I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died. You didn't actually kill someone but you.
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Wanted and thought they were dead.
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Yeah.
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And you actually followed through to make sure it was done. To me that should be almost as much as murder itself. Why wouldn't it be?
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Why didn't this one get caught? They caught her in time.
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She pleaded guilty.
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Why didn't.
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Yes. They intercepted the. The text messages. They knew what was happening. They were able to. Yes. Thwart the plot.
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But what if they hadn't exactly that kind of a thing. This man would be dead. We're talking about this with the Atlanta airport thing. What if they hadn't gotten to him in time? Right. It was just a matter this was going to happen.
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People were going to die.
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Save a text message being picked up.
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Yeah.
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Him.
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I don't know. I wonder what he is. I don't wonder if he's talked to her privately. I know he says some stuff to her in court. What could you ever possibly get past?
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You couldn't get past anything. But you would want to know why. For some reason I think all of us deep down would want to know why. Even if there isn't a satiable answer. It just feels like you would still want to ask.
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Isn't the why we get in these true crime stories the murder for hires at least seem to be all about money. Not because this person made me mad.
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Or they did me wrong.
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It seems to be always about money.
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Like just want to get out of.
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The relationship and don't it's why is it so often women are murdering the guys?
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You mean in murder for hires because they don't want to get their hands dirty or they don't think they're physically capable. Yeah, I think it's one one or their. Maybe it's both. Yeah.
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So we should probably check this lady. She probably has what A gambling debt, A shopping Addiction or she's a former nurse.
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Yeah, that's what we see in true crime. But unfortunately this is a situation where you know what? We wish the best for Aaron Goodwin. I can't even begin to imagine the healing that he is going to be having to go through, but it sounds like he's got a lot of support. He has a phenomenal career and we hope that he learns to trust again one day because not everybody and most people are not like his ex wife Victoria.
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I turn, I applaud him for turning something that was a passion into something that's now more into the mainstream. He made it a hit. He had to go through this publicly. He is going to be okay. It doesn't feel like it now, but of course he's going to be in a better place. You know, my mom always say good thing you found out now instead of finding out a few years from now. Right. He's getting this out of his life now.
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True.
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One, before he's divorced.
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Two, before he's dead.
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It's a blessing. This is an absolute blessing that he is alive and able to suffer right now. Congratulations. I know you don't want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron, but my man, we are so happy you are alive and able to be miserable right now because the alternative is something else.
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That's a really good way to end this episode with that. Everyone, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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Release Date: October 24, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts
This episode explores the shocking real-life crime entangling “Ghost Adventures” star Aaron Goodwin. Amy and T.J. unpack how a true crime plot unfolded in the middle of filming a paranormal TV episode, as Goodwin received a call from police that his wife had been arrested for plotting his murder. The hosts discuss the eerie convergence of the supernatural and the criminal, detail the timeline, and reflect on the emotional, legal, and personal aftermath for Goodwin.
On the surreal collision of worlds:
“Someone who deals with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.” (Amy, 06:12)
On the nature of true crime fans:
“You don’t learn when you watch true crime shows how to commit a murder … You learn you are not going to get away with it.” (T.J., 11:20)
On the reality of betrayal:
“It’s the ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved... is trying to actively kill you.” (Amy, 22:03)
Goodwin’s own words on social media:
“Just know I’m not doing good at all. And every day is worse with all I’m learning all the time… This has been the worst year of my life.” (Aaron Goodwin, via Amy, 20:34)
On the irony of prevention:
“Congratulations. I know you don’t want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron, but my man, we are so happy you are alive and able to be miserable right now because the alternative is something else.” (T.J., 26:23)
Amy and T.J. employ a candid, conversational, and compassionate tone. They intertwine dark humor (“He got a call from hell, literally”), empathy, and insight into both the true crime landscape and personal fallout. The episode’s revelations are delivered with sobriety, respect, and a clear concern for the emotional resilience of Aaron Goodwin.
Amy and T.J. close by highlighting both the tragedy and relief that Aaron is alive, and underscore the importance of empathy, mental health, and not making assumptions about others’ lives based on appearances. Their summary is a blend of true crime curiosity, human empathy, and hope for healing:
“We are so happy you are alive and able to be miserable right now, because the alternative is something else.” (T.J., 26:23)
Summary by [Podcast Summarizer AI]