Grief Author Murder Trial: Kouri Ritchins’ Ex-Lover Takes the Stand

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode: Grief Author Murder Trial: Kouri Ritchins’ Ex-Lover Takes the Stand
Date: March 5, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach (& "A"), T.J. Holmes (& "B")

Overview

This gripping episode covers the latest developments in the trial of Kouri Ritchins, the Utah "grief author" accused of murdering her husband, Eric Ritchins, with fentanyl—then allegedly capitalizing on his death by authoring a children’s book on grief. The key event: emotional testimony from Kouri’s ex-lover, Robert Joshua Grossman. Amy and T.J. analyze the emotional impact in the courtroom, dissect the text messages presented, discuss the supposed motives, and break down the tension between legal teams—including surprise drama that may put the trial itself at risk of mistrial.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Testimony of Robert Joshua Grossman (Ex-Lover)

[00:06 – 14:48]

• Why His Testimony Matters

  • Though not the most legally crucial, Grossman offered the first public insight into Kouri’s possible motives and the emotional landscape of her relationships.
  • The most important witness might have been Kouri’s housekeeper, who said she acquired fentanyl for Kouri, but Grossman’s role clarifies motive: "Prosecutors say she wanted money and she wanted her man." (A, 00:35)

• Grossman’s Emotional State

  • He broke down repeatedly, covering his face and wiping away tears as incriminating and intimate texts were aired.
  • "This was a man who seemed to be deeply in love... hoping to spend the rest of his life with her." (A, 01:43)
  • "He seemed like a love sick puppy." (B, 06:54)
  • "Seeing him was at times a little devastating. He, he was crying several times." (B, 13:52)

• Revelations from Text Messages

  • Messages revealed Kouri and Grossman discussed her unhappy marriage, her plans for divorce, and ambitions for a new life together.
  • Notable quote: "If I weren’t married, would you marry me tomorrow?" (A, 09:29)
  • Kouri: "I’m in love with a man that’s not my husband." (A, 10:01)
  • Kouri on Eric: "If he could just go away and you could just be here, life would be so perfect." (A, 10:20)

• Affair Timeline and Their Story

  • Met via a help wanted ad in South Carolina circa 2016–2017: he started out working for her flipping houses, arrangement turned romantic around 2020 as he moved to Utah.
  • He received shelter, food, and cars in exchange for work, not formal employment.
  • "I liked her, so I worked for free." (B, 06:54)

• Emotional Dynamic

  • Amy likens their affair to a "romance novel" stereotype, with Grossman fitting the role of the handsome, blue-collar war vet.
  • "Almost a suburban wife’s fantasy... That sounds like the beginning of a romance novel." (A, 07:18)

• Kouri’s Secrecy

  • The prosecution suggested she kept Grossman in the dark about any murder plans.
  • Grossman testified he was unaware of her intentions or any specifics about Eric’s death.

• Suspicious or Incriminating Texts

  • Defense tried to highlight that Kouri was apologetic for not spending time with Grossman, with messages like "You deserve more than this" and frequent apologies.
  • Some texts could suggest motive but lawyers debate how circumstantial they really are: "If she was on trial for cheating, that would be awful. Does that suggest murder?" (B, 10:52)

• Strange Questions from Kouri

  • Kouri once asked Grossman: "Have you ever killed anybody, and how did it make you feel?" (A, 14:02 / 14:16)
  • In retrospect, Grossman said it seemed odd, but at the time, as an Iraq vet, he thought little of it.

2. Case Details & Allegations

[00:35 – 04:48; 19:03 – 19:50]

• Murder Plot Outline

  • Kouri allegedly tried and failed to poison Eric with a fentanyl-laced sandwich, then succeeded by spiking his Moscow mule.
  • Eric survived the first attempt by self-administering an EpiPen and Benadryl.

• Aftermath and Book Publication

  • Weeks after Eric’s death, Kouri promoted and published a book about helping children through grief.

• Prosecution vs. Defense

  • Prosecution asserts motive was money and desire to be with Grossman.

  • Defense claims Eric’s own drug use could explain his death; defense also suggests Kouri wouldn’t have planned a celebratory brunch with Grossman the day of Eric’s death if she’d intended the murder, implying either innocence or deep manipulation.

  • "Would it also make sense that she was planning to have brunch plans with her lover the day Eric died... So why would she?" (A, 11:23)

  • "She was probably thinking they are almost certainly going to find out that I was having an affair." (A, 13:07)

3. Courtroom Drama: Motions for Mistrial & Alleged Attorney Misconduct

[19:50 – 24:53]

• Defense Accusation

  • Defense alleged that the prosecution withheld key evidence that housekeeper Carmen Lauber had violated drug court.
  • Attempted to move for a mistrial, claiming "If the prosecution withheld... that would change perhaps how they cross examined her." (A, 21:12)
  • Judge delayed ruling; asked for written motion.

• Prosecution Pushback

  • Prosecutors insisted evidence was already disclosed.
  • Judge: "I'm not going to shoot from the hip... so it might be very interesting when they start today." (B, 21:36)

• Allegations of Prosecutorial Behavior

  • Defense accused prosecution attorneys of making faces at the jury to sway opinion, based on TV coverage tip-offs.

  • Judge wasn’t convinced: "I have a better view than even the cameras and I haven't seen a damn thing." (B quoting judge, 23:21)

  • The defense committed to providing specific timestamps and screenshots.

  • "Are you not allowed to have a human reaction?... You're probably going to see it on my face." (A, 24:09)

  • "So they'd have to actually show... the distinction would be turning your head to the jury." (A, 24:53)

• Trial Forecast

  • Estimated 4–5 weeks total; still weeks of testimony remain; defense may surprise with strategy or witnesses.
  • "We're coming at the end of two weeks... definitely still many, many days ahead of this trial." (A, 25:00)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Motive and Manipulation:

  • "Prosecutors say she wanted money and she wanted her man." (A, 00:35)
  • "She absolutely kept her boyfriend, her lover, in the dark in terms of her plans, if she in fact did murder Eric Richards." (A, 04:43)

• On Grossman’s Heartbreak:

  • "I liked her, so I worked for free." (B, 06:54)
  • "The whole... there was just something so heartfelt about that. Yeah, I just. I felt for him." (A, 10:20)

• On Incriminating Texts:

  • "If he could just go away and you could just be here, life would be so perfect." (A, 10:20)

• On Kouri’s Potential Planning:

  • "She was probably thinking they are almost certainly going to find out that I was having an affair." (A, 13:07)

• On Courtroom Drama:

  • "I'm not going to shoot from the hip is what he says. So I'm not going to rule right here, right now on a mistrial... might be very interesting when they start today." (B, 21:36)
  • "The judge... I have a better view than even the cameras and I haven't seen a damn thing." (B, 23:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:06: Episode setup – introduction to the day’s crucial witness
• 01:43–07:18: Grossman’s background, emotional state, and relationship evolution with Kouri
• 09:29–10:20: Key text exchanges and reflective commentary on emotional manipulation
• 11:23–13:07: Timelines, brunch alibi theory, and implications for motive
• 14:02–14:31: Kouri’s odd question about killing, and review in hindsight
• 19:03–19:50: Recap and context, Kouri’s public face as an author and alleged murderer
• 20:08–22:01: Defense’s move for a mistrial over withheld evidence
• 22:25–24:53: Prosecution accused of making faces; judge’s reaction and next steps
• 25:00–25:48: Forecast for the trial’s timeline and future coverage

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Takeaways

• The ex-lover’s testimony gave jurors powerful emotional context but provided mainly circumstantial evidence.
• Kouri’s texts paint the picture of a conflicted, possibly manipulative woman but fall short of direct proof.
• The case hinges on whether the circumstantial evidence—including motive, opportunity, and the tangled love triangle—is enough for conviction.
• The courtroom drama outside of juror presence (mistrial motion, accusations of attorney misconduct) could have major consequences for the outcome or proceedings.

Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes will continue daily coverage as the trial develops.

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Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[B]

Hey there folks. It is Thursday, March 5th, and what a day in the Corey Richards murder trial. The so called grief author murder trial. The boyfriend of the woman on trial was on the stand yesterday and it was more emotional than maybe folks had anticipated with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Ropes. He was the most anticipated witness, right? Even if he might not be the most important.

[A]

Yes, I think the most important witness was at the end of last week when we heard from the housekeeper of Corey Richards, who claims that she secured the fentanyl for Corey, who then according to prosecutors, gave it to her husband first in a sandwich that was a failed attempt. And then eventually in a Moscow mule, which ended up with him having five times the lethal limit of fentanyl in his system. So yes, she was important, but now we're hearing the why. This is going towards the motive. Prosecutors say she wanted money and she wanted her man. And her man was Joshua, Robert Joshua Grossman.

[B]

Yeah, this is very important as far as establishing motive yet. And I didn't know I was expecting, I suppose, more questions and it seemed like they weren't to get a lot of stuff in evidence and have him confirm a bunch of their communications. But this was essentially Robert Joshua Grossman sitting up their robes looking through a lot of their text messages. But it gave us insight into their relationship, where her head was and where his head was.

[A]

Yeah, it was really fascinating to watch. So they put up all of their text messages in the, the month and then the weeks leading up to Eric Richen's. And we're all reading them on the screen along with the jurors. And then they'll throw a shot of the ex boyfriend. And he had his head on the table. He was not looking, he was covering his eyes. And when he would lift his head up, he'd be wiping tears. He. I mean you, this is. It was four years ago to the day that Eric Richards died. And to see that emotional impact of just seeing those texts and where he was, I mean, this was a man who seemed to be deeply in love with Corey Richards and hoping to spend the rest of his life with her.

[B]

I mean he, they finally got him to admit on the stand and maybe that was a little pie in the sky. But based on some of these writings, robes, absolutely. He was in to this woman in a major way. A reminder here, Corey Richards out in Utah Park City, Utah, accused of killing her husband in March of 2022 by giving him that laced drink she claims he must have Gotten it somewhere else. He had pain pills he used. He had THC gummies he used. So she's claiming maybe he did it to himself or took it himself. But the prosecution doesn't believe that's the case, saying she poisoned him and then I guess robes the other part after that. And the reason they call it the grief author murder trial. I guess some of those details are the ones that are really often make headlines and have people interested in this story.

[A]

That's right, because she actually wrote and published a book about helping children get through the grief of losing a parent. And she had actually been on local television stations, local radio, promoting her book. And then within weeks of that book promotion, she's arrested for murdering the father of her children.

[B]

Yeah, I can't make this stuff up.

[A]

You cannot.

[B]

Can't make it up. So this is where we are. She's facing. And wild as it is, Rose, you should mention, yes, she's facing a murder charge, but also an attempted murder charge because they say she, she failed the first time she tried to kill.

[A]

Right. With that sandwich that she tried to give, or she did give him and he ate. But apparently he was able to survive it by he just was texting her saying, hey. And they. We've seen the text admitted into court where he's telling her, I feel terrible, I might have to go to the hospital. He ended up giving himself an EpiPen and taking some Benadryl and sleeping it off and surviving it. So, yeah, according to prosecutors, two weeks later she tried again and was successful.

[B]

It's a weird thing to think robes and it's not a comedian would make a joke about it. What would she try next if the drink didn't work, what is the next thing she's going to serve him? What other dish is there? What other Right. It seemed like she was determined to kill. Excuse me, she's accused. She is innocent till proven guilty. But based on the prosecution storyline, this woman was determined to kill this guy.

[A]

Yes. And it's really, you know, you look at her, she looks like this girl next door, your next door neighbor, mom of three, real estate agent. It's just she doesn't fit the type of someone who you would think would be capable of something like this. And then to actually yesterday was so fascinating hearing from her then boyfriend and to see the text. She didn't give him one indication that she was headed in this direction. They were talking about her getting a divorce, her needing time because she didn't want to break up her family. And she absolutely kept her Boyfriend, her lover, in the dark. In terms of her plans, if she in fact did murder Eric Richards, she certainly didn't let him know that's where she was headed.

[B]

But there were other things the prosecution is trying to piece together that seemed to allude to certain dates. We'll get into that, into a second. But Rome. I was, I didn't know. But he explained on the stand how they met in the first place. And it was all because of a help wanted ad.

[A]

Yes. So they met in South Carolina. He answered the help wanted ad because she was flipping homes down there. So we started working with her. And I believe he ended up. He said that it was purely platonic for the first couple of years. I think he said they met even in 2016, 2017, so quite a while ago. But he ultimately moved to Utah in 2020 to work with her. But he said before he moved to Utah things turned romantic and I was, this is odd.

[B]

He starts working with her robes. But he didn't. He wasn't necessarily an employee. It was interesting to hear the arrangement they had, I guess once they started dating.

[A]

Yeah. So he had his, he talked about he had his dog with him and he would live in the house that they were flipping. And so kind of basically he was. He was working for shelter and food and a car. He said she bought him a vehicle, two vehicles actually. So she said she would give him cash here and there. But it wasn't as if he was on the payroll. He wasn't paying taxes. It wasn't as if he was a formal or. Yeah, a formal employee. It was like kind of her paying him on the side and letting him live in these homes.

[B]

And that's a part of understanding where his head was and what. Or at least how he felt about her. He said it on the stand. I liked her, so I worked for free, he said. And as this thing built, if you said it once robed, you said it 50 times while he was testifying. Oh, I feel bad for this guy because it did up there. He seemed like a love sick puppy.

[A]

He did. He look. This is a look. He is a. A guy. He has a formidable appearance. He was an Iraq war veteran, a good looking guy, kind of like that blue collar. Almost as if. I hate to say this, but like, oh, almost a suburban board, suburban wife's fantasy. You go and you meet this kind of rugged, handsome war vet who has his dog. He's good with his hands. He can build things, he can fix things. And so what do y' all watch? But doesn't that sound like the beginning of a romance novel. I'm not sure that you are familiar with them, but I can tell you that this is actually, I was thinking this as I was watching. It was almost as if it was, it was like a stereotypical affair in a way. Like she, she a board housewife looking for some hot blue collar guy who's going to love her and not, not talk too much, not want to go too deep about anything philosophical. Just like fun sex.

[B]

Never would have thought that.

[A]

Yeah, that's what it looked like to me. And it looks like he fell hard for her and he was still so emotional. She was stone faced by the way, because they would cut to her and he even kind of, he looked at her at one point and said, this is the first time I've seen her since 2023 and since they broke up and they broke up several months before she was arrested. But I felt so bad for him. And look, I think when you're hearing the story as a juror, you're feeling terrible for Eric Richards if you believe that she actually committed this crime. And it almost honestly having him on the stand look like this is a woman who basically manipulated two men who were both wanting to be with her.

[B]

Yes, that if, if nothing else. And a lot of the messages we read and some of the back and forth is stuff to be expected. And look, folks already knew they were in a relationship. I don't know how impactful some of that is, but robe did I. I told you from an emotional standpoint, seeing that guy, I was upset with her.

[A]

She's so genuine because so much of

[B]

the messages and so much of what we did see was, I don't want to say leading him on, but certainly I even found a lot of it. Wasn't she apologetic the way she couldn't spend so much time with him?

[A]

She was, she kept saying, I'm so sorry, you deserve more than this. At one point it looked as though when the defense really tried to hone in on this, you know, didn't. Wasn't she breaking up with you? Weren't you before Eric Richards died? But I think she was just basically acknowledging that he was only getting, you know, just a few drips and drops from her. He. She wasn't able to give him the time he deserved, but he's told her, I'm in love with you. And then she said, if I weren't married, would you marry me tomorrow? And he said of course I would.

[B]

But she goes on and reciprocates it. One Time I'm in love with a man that's not my husband. She says that to him. And the guy on the stand, I mean, he. He kind of admitted, maybe I go head over heels more than most. But they asked him directly, do you believe that she loves you, too? And he said, yeah, genuinely, like, yes, I know.

[A]

When he said, this big, gruff guy says, I have a tendency for going head over heels, maybe more than most. It. The whole It. There was just something so heartfelt about that. Yeah, I just. I felt for him. But I thought one of the worst texts that they were able to put up there for jurors to hear was where Corey Richards talked about wanting to just be with him. She said, if he. Meaning Eric, her husband, if he could just go away and you could just be here, life would be so perfect.

[B]

If she was on trial for cheating, that would be awful. Does that suggest murder? We have seen robes. We've covered enough trials in the past six months that we have seen some Google searches and text messages were much more damning than some of these we saw. But they established whatever they wanted to. But the thing. Did it make a difference to you at least from. From a case, from an evidence standpoint, is it circumstantial? The. The messages surrounding when they were supposed to meet for brunch and have mimosas.

[A]

This was.

[B]

Timing of that was strange. Okay.

[A]

I'm thinking that she. Look, this is a woman who was. If she is guilty, she was manipulating everyone because she didn't let her lover in on her plans. She made him think, about a year from now, maybe I could get divorced. So she wasn't saying anything that would insinuate that she was planning what prosecutors say she was very actively planning. So if she was planning that, would it also make sense that she was planning to have brunch plans with her lover the day Eric died that morning to celebrate a big real estate deal that was about to go through that day as well. So why would she. If she did kill her husband and plan this all out, why would she choose to do it the morning, in the morning hours, or the night before this big day? She had set up a big celebratory day where she was closing on this house she had been working on closing for many, many months and going to celebrate with her lover? Could she have thought that this would

[C]

be

[A]

something that police would look at, investigators will, and say, oh, there's no way she would do that. Look at what this big day was that she had planned? Why would she have done that? That wouldn't make any sense. She knew that it was going to come out probably that she was involved in an affair.

[B]

So it doesn't make sense for her to have planned. If she planned to have that brunch that would lend itself to suggesting not guilty, Is that what we're saying?

[A]

Yes. So maybe she planned it so it would look like it.

[B]

So if it there then it's. You're saying she's probably guilty because this is. Now you're talking about a lot of manipulation and planning and surrounding this death, even looking to manipulate the police. That, that suggests an extensive amount of preparation.

[A]

Yeah. I mean she had to think maybe because look, she, her Google searches, I'm piecing this together. Her Google searches were. Can police, you know, look at your phone and look at your messages and all this. So she was probably thinking they are almost certainly going to find out that I was having an affair.

[B]

Let me give us a bread crumbs. Yes, breadcrumbs. It was the, the last thing here on him. Just ropes. Seeing him yesterday was at times a little devastating. We, we mentioned that the, he got upset. He, he was crying several times. They, at times when they were just showing on the screen, at least we were seeing just the text messages like a close up reading. Whoever is controlling the cameras did a cutaway to show him with his head down.

[A]

It was devastating.

[B]

He stopped reading them and that's. I'm sure he hasn't read that stuff in years. And to go back and put himself in that position to where he seemed like he was head over heels for

[A]

this woman, oh, that was devastating. Also of note, she asked him and he said, we both went, whoa. Towards the end, he said she asked him if he'd ever killed anybody and how did it make him feel?

[B]

Again, he had been in Iraq. That. So it. He said looking back now that might be a little weird. At the time he didn't think anything of it, but he has the hindsight now. But is that the end of the world? Again, it's all circumstantial, right? It's all circumstantial. It all looks bad.

[A]

It's another piece in the puzzle and it helps jurors get a fuller picture when they're making their decision. So I thought this was actually fascinating. Also asking him about illicit drug use. She was asking him if he ever did anything more than marijuana. All of that now seems interesting given how prosecutors say she killed her husband.

[B]

Interesting. No smoking gun quite just yet. But this wasn't the only emotion. And also not the only drama in the courtroom yesterday there was outside of the presence of the jury, a pretty interesting back and forth between the prosecution lawyers and the defense lawyers, including a flat out accusation of one side misbehaving when it comes to the jury. Stay here.

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[A]

Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ where we have been glued to the coverage and watching the trial of Corey Richards. She is the 35 year old mom of three who was accused of poisoning first attempting to poison her husband and then successfully poisoning her husband with fentanyl and then writing a book helping her children deal with the grief of losing their father so that she could help children everywhere who have lost a loved one. She was arrested a few weeks after that book was published and now she is on trial for Eric Richen's murder. We saw her lover on the stand yesterday, but as you said before the break, this was not the only drama in the courtroom we saw yesterday.

[B]

I didn't see this coming. We're used to at the end of a trial actually it's usually the end of the prosecution making their case. The defense, it's customary, they get up and make a motion for a dismissal. We Move for mistrial. Right. It's never granted.

[A]

Never.

[B]

Almost never.

[A]

I've never seen it.

[B]

Not a one. Right. That's pretty high bar. So the prosecution is still putting on its case, but yesterday, outside of the presence of the jury, this threw me. They always have some back and forth. They need to work out an issue. And these lawyers have more issues. It seems to work out. Thank you. Most. But there was an issue that the defense said they received a text message which said that Carmen Lauber, the housekeeper who got the drugs for Corey Richards, Carmen Lauber, had had a violation in drug court. Why is that a big deal? Because the defense says we didn't know about it ahead of time, which could have changed how we prosecuted our case. The. The prosecution had the burden to tell us. They didn't. And Rose, she explained it in about 60 seconds and I didn't know where it was going. Then she, all of a sudden, she said, we immediately move for a mistrial. What?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, Ro, this is a big deal. If you withhold evidence.

[A]

Yes. If the prosecution withheld the fact that Carbon Lauber violated drug court. Yeah, that would be, that would change perhaps how they cross examined her. What they held her accountable for. It would call into question her credibility even further, which they already tried to erode. But the prosecutor's response was. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, wasn't us.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know what text she's talking about. You all have. And then they went through this. Information has been out there. It's been in there. They said, we gave it to you several days ago. It was part of this. And so the judge in that moment said, hey, look, you're gonna have to put this in writing. He said, I'm not. He said, I'm not going to shoot from the hip is what he says. So I'm not going to rule right here, right now on a mistrial, something like this. So they waiting on him. So it might be very interesting when they start today.

[A]

Correct. So the, the trial continued as planned with him considering this. And yes, we'll hear on what he rules on later. He did, though, make a ruling on the other claim that the defense made. The defense was claiming that the prosecution was making faces and at the jury to try and sway them in their direction.

[B]

I didn't hear. I don't know how you make a face to sway. But they said during cross examination, when the defense is up there cross examining, they're getting reports that the prosecution at times is making faces in Reaction to whatever is going on with the defense at times. How do they know this? Television.

[A]

They said people who are watching TV somehow let them know that they have seen the. The prosecution. So yes, like perhaps just, I'm guessing when they're cross examining and say the defense attorney says something crazy, you. They're looking at the jury like, huh, really? Right. Like that's what I'm assuming they're talking about.

[B]

I don't know, a wink, a nod of rolling of the eyes. I don't know. I loved that. The judge didn't necessarily entertain this much.

[A]

Yeah, he shot it down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he's going to need. He hasn't seen anything. He's like, I'm looking at the prosecution.

[B]

His point was I have a better view than even the cameras and I haven't seen a damn thing. So. So yeah, you got to give me more than that. And he was about to let it go. They have now agreed to go back and get timestamps and I'm going to bring it to the judge of the faces, Rhodes. I can't wait for the start.

[A]

Of course, I hope they have like timestamp and then like a freeze frame, like a, a snapshot of whatever these faces are they claim. Look, I wonder though, I wonder if you just as a human being react. I, I don't have a poker face. I do not. So when someone says something that sounds fishy or a bunch of BS or something seems ridiculous. You're probably going to see it on my face. Now, did they turn their faces to the jury and do that? Are you not allowed to have a human reaction to something if you hear it and you smell bs? Yeah.

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I mean, obviously you're not allowed to interact with the jury in any way. Fine. But are you not allowed to see your. That's the question, Rose. Can an attorney roll his or her eyes just looking? Are you not supposed to react in any way, shape or form emotionally in the courtroom?

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I've seen Corey Richards and I think that's just a human reaction when you hear something that you disagree with her, you don't think is right. She's raised her eyebrows and tilted her head and squinted her eyes and been like, wait, what? And then whisper to her attorney and the jury can see all of that. So I, I don't know. I guess the difference would be turning your head to the jury, like, Right, right. You see, like that would be the, the distinction. So they'd have to actually show. Because I do think it's just an understandable thing to have A reaction to something that you don't agree with.

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They better come with receipts today. But folks, this trial, we what was the timing on this when they said how many was this?

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You know, I feel like all trials, they always say four to five weeks. And I feel like that is about what they've said, said this one will go as well. So we're coming at the end of two weeks. And for the I don't know how much more the prosecution still has in terms of witnesses. It's always a little bit of a unknown entity because sometimes they make decisions. In fact, they had a surprise witness yesterday, so that was why the court was delayed for an hour. So we shall see. But definitely still many, many days ahead of this trial. The defense still has to put up, and we assume it will put up its defense. They don't have to, but it looks like they're going to in terms of what we heard from opening arguments. We will, of course, stay on top of this trial as always. Thank you for listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside T.J. holmes. We will talk to you soon.

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