Grief Author Murder Trial Shocker: The Defense Rests Seconds After Prosecution!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Grief Author Murder Trial Shocker: The Defense Rests Seconds After Prosecution!"

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode Date: March 12, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes
Main Focus: Shocking turn in the Corey Richards ("grief author") murder trial - the defense rests immediately after the prosecution without calling a single witness

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Episode Overview

In this special update, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes break down a staggering twist in the high-profile Corey Richards murder trial. As the prosecution officially rested its case, the defense followed suit—resting its own case within seconds, and without calling any witnesses. The hosts walk listeners through the implications, courtroom drama, key evidence (and lack thereof), and what happens next as the trial barrels toward closing arguments and jury deliberation. This episode is rich with legal insight, context from past trials, and speculation on the outcome of a case that has captivated the nation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Defense’s Shocking Decision (03:42–06:37)

• Unexpected Move:
  The defense rested immediately after the prosecution, despite previously signaling they would call three witnesses—including perhaps Corey Richards herself.

  • “We did not see this one coming… everyone was expecting them to actually put on a defense.” — Amy Robach (04:13)
  • “The judge even looked shocked when they said, ‘We rest.’” — TJ Holmes (04:53)

• Behind-the-Scenes Legal Battles:
  The day was filled with heated arguments (outside the jury’s presence) over the admissibility of certain evidence, especially testimony regarding the victim, Eric Richards, inquiring about fentanyl in 2019.

  • “The lawyers have been lawyering and arguing over a particular legal issue for the past several days… The jury didn’t even hear testimony today.” — TJ Holmes (04:53)
  • The defense ultimately declined to proceed after realizing allowing some evidence would also open the door to damaging prosecution rebuttal evidence.

• Strategic Calculation:
  The hosts speculate the defense believed they had already introduced enough doubt via cross-examination and did not want to risk damaging their position by putting on witnesses subject to cross-examination by the prosecution.

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2. Turmoil in the Courtroom (06:37–07:30)

• Jury Left in the Dark:
  Most of the heated legal maneuvering occurred without the jury present, leading to frustrating delays and confusion for jurors.
  • “The jury saw none of it… more back and forth and more lawyering going on behind the scenes… than we have actually hearing testimony occur in front of the jury.” — Amy Robach (06:55)
  • Frequent sidebars and interruptions made the trial difficult to follow.

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3. What Comes Next (07:30–08:43)

• Upcoming Schedule:

  • The following day (Friday): Defense and prosecution will meet with the judge (without the jury) to discuss jury instructions—a process expected to be contentious given the lawyers’ adversarial dynamic.
    • “This probably will be entertaining as all get out. And it usually isn’t when you’re discussing jury instructions. But I have a feeling they won’t agree on almost anything.” — Amy Robach (07:30)
  • Monday: Closing arguments at 8:30 AM Mountain Time, then the case goes to the jury for deliberation.

• The Jury’s Strange Experience:

  • The jurors have spent significant time sequestered, waiting, and have missed much of the action—a frustrating experience in such a high-profile case.

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4. The Evidence and the Core Controversy (08:43–14:28)

• The Prosecution’s Theory:

  • Corey Richards, a 35-year-old mother of three and author of a children’s book about grief, is accused of poisoning her husband with fentanyl, following a failed earlier attempt involving a sandwich, driven by financial distress and an extramarital affair.
  • Key quote: “She had multimillion dollar real estate deals going on and she was in debt by multi millions… and, oh by the way, she authored a children’s book about grief in the middle of all of this.” — Amy Robach (09:33)

• Biggest Unanswered Question:

  • The most critical gap is proof of how Eric Richards came to ingest the fentanyl that killed him. The defense insists there's no direct evidence tying Corey to administering the drugs—raising the possibility of a not-guilty verdict or mistrial.
    • “Are you going to send this woman to prison for life for fentanyl that we actually do not know how he got it?” — TJ Holmes (10:41)
  • The defense argues that circumstantial evidence is not enough for a conviction.

• Star Witness Undermined:

  • Housekeeper Carmen Lauber, who allegedly secured the fentanyl for Corey, was aggressively cross-examined—her testimony weakened by her history of addiction, parole violations, and the plea deal she received (potentially undermining her credibility).
    • “They eviscerated her and her character and her testimony. They just ripped this woman apart.” — TJ Holmes (12:47)
    • “The defense made major inroads in undermining Carmen Lauber’s credibility and they certainly did.” — Amy Robach (13:18)

• Defense Tactics:

  • The defense attempted to sow doubt by pointing to Eric’s travel to Mexico (“a lot of fentanyl comes from Mexico”) and suggesting secret drug use.
    • “Their [the defense’s] case… was just throwing things against the wall.” — TJ Holmes (14:58)
    • “They are planting seeds of doubt. The question is, does it create reasonable doubt? That’s the threshold.” — Amy Robach (15:23)

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5. Reflections on Legal Strategy (19:12–22:06)

• Why Not Call Witnesses?

  • The hosts and the legal community speculate that a defense only takes this route if they believe cross-examination already created sufficient reasonable doubt, and further testimony (even from supportive witnesses) could backfire.
    • “That's only if you believe you proved or you poked enough holes in the prosecution’s case through cross-examination that you don’t need to put anybody else up there.” — Amy Robach (19:43)
    • “The response she [a prosecutor friend] gave us: Because they think they already won. That’s why you don’t put on witnesses… We have already won this case.” — TJ Holmes (21:08)

• Trial Comparisons:

  • Reference to the Diddy trial, where a similar approach was taken (“the response she gave us: because they think they already won”), and the “au pair affair” murder trial, where a robust defense with the defendant testifying did not lead to a better outcome.

• Jury Unpredictability:

  • Juries remain impossible to predict, and attorneys can only guess what the verdict might be.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We did not see this one coming.”
  Amy Robach, 04:13
• “The judge even looked shocked when they said, we rest.”
  TJ Holmes, 04:53
• “She had multimillion dollar real estate deals going on and she was in debt by multi millions… and, oh by the way, she authored a children’s book about grief in the middle of all of this.”
  Amy Robach, 09:33
• “Are you going to send this woman to prison for life for fentanyl that we actually do not know how he got it?”
  TJ Holmes, 10:41
• “They eviscerated her and her character and her testimony. They just ripped this woman apart.”
  TJ Holmes, 12:47
• “They are planting seeds of doubt. The question is, does it create reasonable doubt? That’s the threshold.”
  Amy Robach, 15:23
• “The response she gave us: because they think they already won. That’s why you don’t put on witnesses.”
  TJ Holmes, 21:08

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Important Timestamps

• 03:42 – Stunning announcement: Defense rests immediately after prosecution
• 04:53 – Behind-the-scenes legal drama and the judge’s reaction
• 07:30 – Upcoming jury instructions meeting and closing arguments scheduled
• 09:33 – Overview of the charges, background, and national interest
• 12:47 – Star witness Carmen Lauber’s credibility attacked
• 14:28 – Questioning whether the defense planted reasonable doubt
• 19:43 – Why the defense would rest without presenting witnesses
• 21:08 – Reference/comparison with other trials and strategies

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Tone & Closing

Throughout the episode, Amy and TJ retain their signature blend of legal expertise, candid commentary, and empathy for the stakes facing all parties. The mood is a mix of surprise, analytical curiosity, and anticipation—mirroring the unresolved suspense of the trial itself. They promise continued coverage as the trial nears its dramatic conclusion, with closing arguments and jury deliberations scheduled for Monday.

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hey there folks. It is Thursday, March 12, and we just got a major update and maybe even a major shocker in the Corey Richards murder trial, AKA the grief author murder trial, AKA the poisoned husband murder trial. The major update. The prosecution has rested and 10 seconds after that, the defense rested without calling a single witness. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rowe. Didn't see this one coming.

[Amy Robach]

We did not see this one coming. In fact, as early as this morning, the defense suggested that they had witnesses to call. Specifically, they indicated they had three witnesses that they were going to be calling to the stand. So everyone was expecting them to actually put on a defense. Of course they don't have to. It is the burden. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and we've certainly see this in other trials. Diddy's trial probably comes to mind as one of the more recent and big trials where we saw this happen, but we were actually just thinking we were going to hear whether or not Corey Richards herself was going to testify. Not that no one was going to testify.

[TJ Holmes]

No. And robes. We had very good reason based on yes, watching this entire trial, but we had very good reason to think this case was going to go on based on what happened today in court. The lawyers have been lawyering and arguing over a particular legal issue for the past several days and today they got in court going back and forth over getting some particular piece of evidence in. So the jury didn't even hear testimony today. They were arguing code outside of the jury Rose. So the defense was fighting, fighting to almost begging the judge for certain things to come in because they were getting ready to put on their case. The judge even looked shocked when they said, we rest.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, everyone was not expecting that because, yes, the defense was fiery. They were trying to get in some way, shape or form, some, some way of getting testimony in that indicated this man from 2019 who claimed that he had a conversation with the victim in this cake case, Eric Richards, who asked about fentanyl. And so when the judge basically, ultimately, and this was a little surprising, ruled that they could bring it into testimony, except for the fact then the prosecution was going to be able to bring in other witnesses to rebuke that and to refute it and to perhaps even bring other things into evidence that the defense didn't want in. And so basically, after they took an hour break to talk with Corey Richards to decide what they wanted to do, they came back and said, defense rests.

[TJ Holmes]

No, they did not start the day. When they woke up this morning, they did not think they were going to arrest their case. Something happened and that if something, whatever development today in court went on, all that back and forth and they had to make that call. It was fascinating. It was fascinating to watch this lawyering. It was so interesting.

[Amy Robach]

And the jury saw none of it, wouldn't you say? The past several days we have watched more back and forth and more lawyering going on behind the scenes without the jury present than we have actually hearing testimony occur in front of the jury.

[TJ Holmes]

And even when they are in their hearing testimony, it's constant. Sidebar, can we approach judge It? You can't get a good flow almost even to this trial. And I'm sure they have to be frustrated, but now they get to go home and sit on this until Monday. Whoa.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Because here's what happens next. Tomorrow only the defense and the prosecution without the jury are going to meet up with the judge and go over jury instructions. And with the way, the back and forth, the fighting that has been going on between the attorneys and with the judge, this probably will be entertaining as. As all get out. And it usually isn't when you're discussing jury instructions. But I have a feeling they won't agree on almost anything they got the day they got.

[TJ Holmes]

What time would he say they're back tomorrow? Even gave them some like one o'.

[Amy Robach]

Clock. Not until 1pm tomorrow will they be back to go over the jury instructions. And then the schedule will be that Monday at 8:30am local time. That's Mountain time. There will be Closing arguments and the jury will get their case. They will begin deliberating. I have imagined what it must be like to be a juror on this case because first of all, this is a court case that has gripped the nation. But there's been so many stops and starts and they've been back in this room sequestered, thinking what the hell is going on in the courtroom without us? I mean they have been not in the courtroom for significant chunks of time

[TJ Holmes]

and they have no idea all this we're talking about. They are not allowed to watch coverage. They have no idea about what the arguments have been and why so much evidence we are as the public are aware of. They will never hear in conversations that I have. This is so interesting. So robes, I imagine as you speak on the jury, the frustration in when the trial is actually going on. Robes. They've been sitting in there. Look, we watch a lot of trials, not just recently, but over the years. Rose, the constant stop. Can we approach judge? Can we approach judge? You can't get two questions in. Can we approach judge? Objection. It, that part has been exhausting. And I'm sure the jurors that had to not just to go, hey, send me back to the room, at least I take a bathroom break. We're sitting in here watching. It's, it's been hard for us to watch.

[Amy Robach]

And they're not supposed to talk amongst themselves either. So they're not even supposed to be guessing what's going on. What do you guys think is happening? I mean none of that is actually even supposed to be going on. So you're supposed to just sit there quietly, not look up the case, not discuss the case and somehow occupy your herself. But look, just to remind everyone, this is a trial where Corey Richards, 35 year old mom of three is accused of poisoning her husband to death. She's charged with aggravated murder, attempted criminal homicide. And that's because prosecutors say she tried to poison her husband with a Valentine's Day sandwich. When that didn't work, she went back, got more potent fentanyl pills and they claim then she laced a Moscow mule. And all of this while she had a lover waiting in the wings. She had multimillion dollar real estate deals going on and she was in debt by multi millions of dollars. And oh by the way, she authored a children's book about grief in the middle of all of this. So yeah, you can understand why this has been a case that has gotten the nation's attention.

[TJ Holmes]

And the key to this case is where did he get the Fentanyl that ended up killing him. And Robes, nobody knows. Is she going to walk out of that courtroom a free woman or maybe facing a mistrial here? But Robes, that's key. Are you going to send this woman to prison for life for fentanyl? That we actually do not know how he got it.

[Amy Robach]

That's right. So we've heard three, nearly three full weeks of testimony. We've heard from the former housekeeper, Carmen Lauber, who was pretty much the prosecution's star witness. We've heard from all of the investigators. We've heard from Corey Richen's lover. That was a. A very emotional part of the trial where we. It spoke to motive in part. But we also ended with this lead investigator, Jeff o'. Driscoll. And that went on for what, a couple of days. But the prosecution has laid out their case and it is clear. We know that Eric Rich died from fentanyl poisoning. But as you pointed out, and this is the defense's main strategy here, no one can tell the jury how it got in his system. No one can prove how it got into his system.

[TJ Holmes]

Or at least nobody can prove how he got it, how he was in possession of it. Nobody can say he ever took a drug in his entire life. And yet the theory from the defense is just that this man had a secret drug problem. He kept it from everybody in his life, the people he was closest to. Nobody knew. She's not saying she knew it either, is she?

[Amy Robach]

She is saying that she knew he liked pain pills and she talked a lot about how he did have his stash of drugs. Didn't get specific that he would put in her suitcases when they traveled, that he needed pain medication.

[TJ Holmes]

You remember, they were all with friends and whatnot. And all people saw were the marijuana gummies.

[Amy Robach]

That's.

[TJ Holmes]

There is nobody in this man's life who can put a drug outside of a marijuana gummy and a pain pill that was prescribed to him in his hand in his entire life. That says something, Robes. But at the same time, their star witness, this Carmen Lawberer, who apparently went and bought the drugs for Corey Richmonds, she is just throw. Just forget her. That they eviscerated her and her character and her testimony. They just ripped this woman apart.

[Amy Robach]

I wrote the defense made major inroads in undermining Carmen Laubers credibility and they certainly did.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, could she. They destroyed her to the point I felt bad for the woman.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. Not only is she a recovering addict, it came out that she violated her parole multiple times. That she.

[TJ Holmes]

The drug Court. Violated the drug court. Yes, the drug court.

[Amy Robach]

Sorry. Yes. Violated the drug court. And also, just hearing. And we got to watch lead investigators talk to her initially about cooperating with the prosecution. And you can see the sweetheart deal she got. She was looking at seven years in prison for violating drug court. And all of a sudden they said, but if you help us prosecute Corey Richards, we can make that all go away.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, but you know what? When the defense says it one way, it sounds like, oh, that's big time. And then the prosecution comes back and said, well, with context, who knows? These jurors have been paying attention. I'm always shocked at what jurors end up doing, but I would not be shocked if they come back in here and say, we are deadlocked. Come back here and say there's a mistrial. Because, Robes, I'm not a circumstantial evidence guy. I am. If I was on a jury, I would struggle sending somebody to prison the rest of their lives. And I don't have a smoking gun.

[Amy Robach]

It feels like, though, most of these trials often are circumstantial. And clearly we have seen prosecutors be successful in trying a case based solely on circumstantial evidence. And there is a significant amount of it. Remember those searches on Corey Richen's phones? Don't those searches always tend to do in a defendant?

[TJ Holmes]

How do they explain those?

[Amy Robach]

They didn't.

[TJ Holmes]

They didn't explain. Yeah, and you're right. This adds up. This is one of those things. Just like in the au pair affair murder trial.

[Amy Robach]

Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

It adds up enough that you have to ask yourself, wait a minute. I'm not stupid. It actually gets to that. Like, oh, yeah, wait a minute. Because the defense did all they could in this case, Robes, by just throwing things against the wall. Just saying, aha. But you know what? He went to Mexico. You know, a lot of fentanyl comes from Mexico. That was a lot of their case. Does that work against a juror? I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

They are planting seeds of doubt. The question is, does it create reasonable doubt? That's the threshold. I think it's fair to say they have absolutely cast some doubt in the prosecution's theory.

[TJ Holmes]

But is it reasonable doubt where I struggle? But like we said, it was a shock today to see that they absolutely switched things up and decided they wanted to rest their case without calling a single witness. Well, we have a pretty good theory as to why stay here.

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[TJ Holmes]

We continue here on Amy and tj. This is again, not an episode, not an update we were expecting today because we were expecting the Corey Richards trial here to continue. But prosecution wrapped up its case today. They rested. And immediately afterwards, the defense rested, to the surprise of us, to the surprise of many in the courtroom, including the judge, because it didn't look like that's the way things were going. I, I think, Rose, there's no other way to put it. Why would you rest your case without calling a witness?

[Amy Robach]

That's only if you believe you proved or you poked enough holes in the prosecution's case through cross examination that you don't need to put anybody else up there. And if the people who were on the list, I believe we had thought maybe her mother was going to testify, maybe her brother was gonna testify, maybe this guy who claims, if it had been allowed, that Eric Richards talked about fentanyl seven years ago. But look, they have to weigh the cross examination with the direct questioning. And they clearly thought that it would do more harm than good. And they felt like through the cross, they poked enough holes, they created enough reasonable doubt. And yesterday we did say, as we watched that whole trial yesterday, and it was a long one, Corey Richards facial expressions changed. Her attorney absolutely started scoring points with the investigator, with Carmen Lauber, when she was recalled yesterday. So the housekeeper, the woman who is accused of selling the drugs or giving the drugs to Corey Richards, who purchased them from her, they did do a very good job at dismantling a lot of her credibility and her testimony. And so they, they had a pretty good day yesterday. And they think it was a really good day, apparently.

[TJ Holmes]

And why mess with that, right? They're good to go. You do, I never forget that the prosecutor friend of ours, after, when it happened, Agnafilo did it in the Diddy trial. Like, why would they do this? Big of stakes. Why would they do that? The response she gave us, because they think they already won. That's why you don't put on witnesses. There's nothing to do. You've put on your entire case just using their witnesses. We have already won this case. And to hear something like that, it happened with Agnafilo. I know Diddy's in jail right now. He'll be out soon.

[Amy Robach]

He won't be in jail for the rest of his life, which is what he was facing. And then we see what happened with the. For those of you, those of you who have followed our trial coverage with the au pair affair trial, we saw Brendan Banfield take the stand. They put on a robust defense with witnesses and testimony from Brendan Banfield himself. How'd that go for them? Not so well.

[TJ Holmes]

No, Rose, I am juries. I have no idea. And most attorneys will tell you as well. Yeah, we can guess. All day we try to read the tea leaves. Every attorney will tell you we have no idea what this jury is going to do. So wanted to hop on. This is a pretty significant update in a trial that we thought would go through next week even, but it is. The jury will be deliberating by Monday.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, we thought the big update might be that Corey Richards would or would not testify. Nope. We're talking closing arguments and jury deliberation. And it's happening next week on Monday. Of course, we will continue to monitor all the developments from that courtroom in Utah. Thank you, though, in the meantime for listening to us. We always appreciate you. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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