He Was Holding a Phone, Not a Gun, But Feds Insist Protester Killed Wanted To “Massacre Law Enforcement”

Summary

Podcast Summary:

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode Title: He Was Holding a Phone, Not a Gun, But Feds Insist Protester Killed Wanted To “Massacre Law Enforcement”
Date: January 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This tense and urgent episode centers on the recent killing of Alex Preddy, a 37-year-old ICU nurse, by ICE agents during protests in Minneapolis. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes dissect the conflicting accounts surrounding Preddy's death, analyze government and media narratives, discuss the broader implications for public trust, and detail the local and national fallout—including protests, political rhetoric, and the potential for a government shutdown. Listeners are guided through the emotional turmoil and political polarization gripping Minneapolis, with an emphasis on truth, accountability, and the power of video evidence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Escalating Tensions in Minneapolis

• Opening Discussion ([02:19]): TJ and Amy set the scene in Minneapolis, highlighting the lack of positive news and deepening divisions following Alex Preddy’s death.
  • TJ Holmes: “Is there any of it that was positive that came out that made us feel like the temperature was coming down?”
  • Amy Robach: “No. I see both sides digging in.”

2. Who Was Alex Preddy?

• ([04:15]) Amy shares background on Alex Preddy:
  • 37-year-old ICU nurse
  • Illinois-born, raised in Green Bay, University of Minnesota grad
  • No criminal record
  • Licensed gun owner, but family asserts he cared deeply about community and protested peacefully
  • Amy Robach: “He was a good man. That’s heartbreaking to hear.”

3. Government vs. Eyewitness Narratives

• Department of Homeland Security & ICE Statements ([05:05], [05:42]):
  • DHS, ICE, Border Patrol, and Kristi Noem label Preddy a “domestic terrorist,” claiming he tried to “massacre law enforcement.”
  • Official statements say he “approached them with his 9 millimeter gun and resisted violently.”
• Video Evidence Conflict ([05:42–07:34]):
  • Amy Robach: “He approached the officers in the video and all the videos that we have seen with a cell phone, not with a gun being brandished. That was never anything we ever saw in a video.”
  • Multiple video angles contradict government narrative; video shows Preddy with a phone—not a gun.
• On Government Credibility ([07:34–09:15]):
  • Hosts emphasize the tension between what’s being told and what is seen.
  • Amy Robach: “It’s hard to reconcile what the official statements are… with what I am seeing with my own two eyes.”
  • TJ Holmes: “It’s okay to believe your eyes and to say, these people are lying to me.”

4. Media & Public Reaction

• ([09:15]) Amy Robach: “Even the New York Times… flat out say that an agent had already removed Alex Preddy’s gun when the two other agents opened fire. They said they shot him in the back. At least 10 shots were fired.”
• TJ emphasizes the stark evidence in the videos and the futility of government attempts to control narrative when video is widely available.
• TJ Holmes: “Thank God for cameras everywhere. There are at least four angles of this thing.”

5. Social Media & Political Escalation

• President Trump’s Posts ([11:37–13:21]):
  • Trump amplifies the DHS narrative, posts photos purportedly of Preddy’s gun, and attacks Minnesota officials, connecting the protest to wider claims of fraud and government corruption.
  • Amy Robach (reading Trump): “The mayor and the governor are inciting insurrection with their pompous, dangerous and arrogant rhetoric.”
  • Hosts bemoan the lack of any calming civic leader or de-escalating statements.
• TJ Holmes: “Where’s the voice? That’s kind of calming things. That’s reasonable right now. That is breaking through. I just don’t hear it.”

6. Protests and Personal Risk

• ([17:33]) Real-time updates: Protests near the federal building in Minneapolis grow, despite harsh weather; over a thousand gather to demand truth and accountability.
• ([18:53]) TJ reflects on impossible choices for citizens and law enforcement:
  • TJ Holmes: “You tell them, leave your gun at home. Don’t go out there messing around with ICE agents. Don’t provoke. That’s what you would tell them.... This man should not be dead.”

7. Polarization and Societal Fracture

• ([20:12]) Amy Robach: “Things haven’t gotten better, they’ve gotten worse. People have gotten angrier. They’ve become more divided. They feel more justified in their actions on both sides.”
• Sense of powerlessness pervades—despair at seeing no progress, only division and escalating conflict.

8. Government Shutdown Looms

• ([21:08])
  • Government shutdown possible in five days; Democrats threaten no DHS funding in response to Minneapolis events.
  • TJ Holmes: “Chances… have gone up because Chuck Schumer is saying that Democrats will not give the votes for any Department of Homeland Security funding, and they are willing to shut the government down over it.”
• ([21:34]) Amy Robach: “There has been enough anger and enough outrage… This is a moment where if Democrats can get the support that they need, they can actually find a way to push back.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Truth and Evidence
  “To say that this man approached with a gun in any type of threatening manner is wrong. We have all seen it. He approached with his camera up, period, point blank.”
  — TJ Holmes ([08:31])

• On Trust in Government
  “But then what can you believe coming from our federal government? There’s the problem.”
  — Amy Robach ([11:14])

• On the Importance of Cameras
  “Thank God for cameras everywhere. There are at least four angles of this thing.”
  — TJ Holmes ([11:18])

• On Escalating Rhetoric
  “They are using words like massacre, domestic terrorist, just wanting to inflict maximum damage… What I’m hearing them say and what I’M seeing with my own two eyes… Those are two different things.”
  — Amy Robach ([07:34])

• On Being an American Citizen in Crisis
  “As an American citizen, it’s hard to get my head around the fact that I can’t make what my government is telling me fit with what I am seeing with my own eyes.”
  — Amy Robach ([07:34])

• On Social Fracture
  “Things haven’t gotten better, they’ve gotten worse. People have gotten angrier. They’ve become more divided. ... I don’t know how this ends. It’s just. It’s awful.”
  — Amy Robach ([20:12])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:19 — Minneapolis situation update; lack of positive developments
• 04:15 — Who was Alex Preddy? Details from family and background
• 05:42 — Contrasting accounts: government narrative vs. video evidence
• 07:34 — Frustration at unreconciled narratives and official statements
• 09:15 — Media analysis: NYT video review, specifics of shooting
• 11:37 — President Trump’s extended social media posts and their impact
• 18:03 — Live protest updates; community response and resilience
• 20:12 — Social and political divisions deepen; host reflections
• 21:08–21:34 — Looming government shutdown linked to unrest in Minneapolis

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains a somber, frustrated, and urgent tone. Both hosts are visibly troubled by the ongoing events and the apparent disconnect between official government narratives and widespread video evidence. Their language underscores a feeling of outrage, heartbreak, and skepticism towards official channels, balanced by a strong commitment to truth and transparency.

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This episode is vital listening for understanding the current state of tension and distrust in Minneapolis, the power of citizen-recorded evidence, and the profound consequences of governmental and media framing during times of crisis. The hosts' heartfelt commentary and calls to “believe your eyes” invite listeners to question narratives and demand accountability.

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Sunday, January 25th. Hopping on now to give you the latest developments and there have been plenty out of Minneapolis today with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. A lot of developing news out of Minneapolis. Help me here. Was there any of it that was positive that came out that made us feel like the temperature was coming down?

[Amy Robach]

No. Did you see anything? No. In fact I see both sides digging in as we're starting to learn more about the 37 year old man who was killed by ICE agents. We're hearing a narrative from his family and his friends and his co workers and then we're hearing from the Department of Homeland Security using very incendiary language to describe a man that is described completely differently. In fact the opposite way when you talk to people who knew him or you talk about the narrative that the government is giving.

[TJ Holmes]

And so here are your headlines today. First of all, yes, there are more videos, more angles that have come out. But the interpretation of that video continues to be split for the most part along. You could argue party lines between the administration and between some of the Minnesota leaders but your eyes are not lying to you folks. So we'll get into the back and forth. That's a big headline today. There is a judge's order that is now playing a role in what's happening in Minneapolis. Also we are getting more details about the man who was killed, Alex Preddy. Also in the mix today, the possibility of a government shutdown being in the mix now because of, yes, what we're seeing in Minneapolis also as we speak, as we are coming on right now as of this recording, there's a pretty significant gathering, a protest forming in Minneapolis right now. I guess robes we should start, we're starting to get more details about Alex Preddy, the 37 year old and hearing from his family as well, but just getting more details about him and his life.

[Amy Robach]

That's right. We know that he was a 37 year old ICU nurse. He was born in Illinois but he was raised in Green Bay. He's a University of Minnesota graduate and he had no criminal record. We mentioned this before. We knew that he did have a license to carry. His family did confirm that he did own a gun. But yeah, we're hearing his father talk about how much he cared about people deeply. He cared about what was happening in Minneapolis and he wanted to do his part by protesting. But he and I feel this from his parents perspective. They said that politicians were telling sickening lies about their son and they begged members of the media to please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. That's heartbreaking to hear.

[TJ Holmes]

And yes, the world very similar to George Floyd who died a mile away from where this man has died, where the whole world watched someone be executed. And we're trying to understand why and trying to understand that moment. So as we're learning More and more about Alex Preddy, we are hearing the Department of Homeland Security characterize Alex Preddy as a domestic terrorist, as someone who was there to do harm to officers. So let's go back and forth with that for just a moment. Robes, Department of Homeland Security, ice, Border Patrol, Christine Holme, sticking to a story right now.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And they actually went so far as to say that 37 year old Preddy wanted to massacre law enforcement. They say that he approached them with his 9 millimeter gun and resisted violently. When you look at the video, he approached the officers in the video and all the videos that we have seen with a cell phone, not with a gun being brandished. That was never anything we ever saw in a video.

[TJ Holmes]

So Kristi Noem continued as well. Again, the head of the Border Patrol. What's his name again?

[Amy Robach]

Robes, the guy, you've seen his face, Gregory Bevino.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. You've seen his face a lot out there, folks, but he's been kind of the spokesperson on the ground. But Kristi Noem continued as well. She continues, we've heard her from her several times since then and several times since a bunch of video came out. But she actually said this looks like, and this took, this one got me here. This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement. She went on to say that Governor Walts and Mayor Fry need to take a long time hard look in the mirror and they need to evaluate their rhetoric, their conversations, their encouragement of such violence against our citizens and against our law enforcement officers. They also went as far. Robes, I, I think it was officially from Homeland Security. They talked about it, but they posted a video of what they say as a protester bit off the finger of one of the agents. They're trying to show how the protesters have been violent and what the ICE agents and Border Patrol agents have been dealing with. They're sticking to the story.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And they are using words like massacre, domestic, as you mentioned, domestic terrorist, just wanting to inflict maximum damage. I know any of you listening, I'm sure you've seen the original video, the other angles that have come out. And now there are even more angles today. And it's hard to reconcile what the official statements are from Department of Homeland Security, from this Gregory Bevino guy who's Border Patrol operations head for the Trump administration, Kristi Noem, even President Trump. And then you take those narratives and then you watch the videos. Those are two different things. What I'm hearing them say and what I'M seeing with my own two eyes. It's a. I, as a. As an American citizen, it's hard to get my head around the fact that I can't make what my government is telling me fit with what I am seeing with my own eyes.

[TJ Holmes]

Because you're a decent person, and you want to make it fit because you want to believe your government. They are wrong. Now, I don't know their intentions. I don't know if they are. And some will flat out say, of course they're lying. Of course this is intentional. Of course. Of course they're trying to weave a narrative. Okay, fine. What all I'm saying is, I'm not talking about their intentions. What they're saying is wrong. To say that this man approached with a gun in any type of threatening manner is wrong. We have all seen it. He approached with his camera up, period, point blank. They have seen that. So to say something. Otherwise, I don't know why they're saying it. So it's not about motivation, but everybody listening, Americans, it's okay to believe your eyes and to say, these people are lying to me. It's okay. Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, and that's where we are. But then the implications of that are so significant. Look, even the New York Times had this. The videos analyzed, and they flat out say that an agent had already removed Alex Preddy's gun when the two other agents opened fire. They said they shot him in the back. At least 10 shots were fired. And. And so that is damning. And that flies in the face of what our federal government is wanting us to believe.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, I have seen that video they're talking about. And you do see one agent clearly walk away from the scrum carrying what appears to be that weapon that we talked about. There is no point that I see, and I didn't dig in and get the experts to tell me, and show and zoom in. There's no point. You see him brandish a weapon. You just do not. There's even one point, Robed, where you don't even see him have the phone in his hand and both of his.

[Amy Robach]

Arms are outstretched because they've taken his phone from him.

[TJ Holmes]

His arms are outstretched and his hands are up.

[Amy Robach]

And he was. Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

At that point, he wasn't being aggressive with ICE agents. He was actually trying to help up or protect some. Somebody else who had been pushed by an ICE agent. These are just not facts that you need to be told. These are just things you see from the video. It's okay to believe your own eyes. And we're being told to believe something else. That's just, it's not okay. And I don't know how what we do now rose because Cash Patel has done this at least twice now in very high profile cases, sending out information that's wrong. And now you have the Homeland Security on more than one occasion now giving information that my eyes, I'm not challenging their narrative with my own. I am looking at something and you're telling me it's something else and it's okay. I know better.

[Amy Robach]

But then what can you believe coming from our federal government? There's the problem.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes. Nothing. Thank God for cameras everywhere. There are at least four angles of this thing. Oops.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, to your point, before we had cell phone cameras, before we all had cameras with us to record and upload immediately.

[TJ Holmes]

Thank God.

[Amy Robach]

Can you imagine what a different story this would be if we didn't have access to technology the way we do now? And speaking of technology and social media, President Trump going crazy on truth social. You said that his, his posts are getting longer, which is hard to believe.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm not. Yeah, his past several. And there's a. We look at them almost every day, every morning. And he has had some really, really long ones. He posted something else about the ballroom just a short time ago that I was telling you about. But he, he's had some really long posts and he's. Once again, of course, we were expecting to hear from him on this and he is, I don't know, it's almost like he's following the narrative versus everybody who's following his narrative because he picked up right where Kristi Noeman Border Patrol left off about what this story is.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. He had a picture, that picture of the gun. Correct. He said this is the gunman's gun loaded with two additional full magazines and ready to go. What is that all about? Where are the local police? Why weren't they allowed to protect ICE officers? The mayor and the governor called them off. It is stated that many of these police were not allowed to do their job, that ICE had to protect themselves. Not an easy thing to do. Why does ilhan Omar have $34 million in her account? And where are the tens of billions of dollars that have been stolen from the once great state of Minnesota? We are there because of massive monetary fraud with billions of dollars missing and illegal criminals that were allowed to infiltrate the state through the Democrats open border policy. We want the money back. We want it back now. Those fraudsters who stole the money are going to jail where they belong. This is no different than a really big bank robbery.

[TJ Holmes]

More.

[Amy Robach]

Much of what you're witnessing is a cover up for this theft and fraud. I mean, this just goes on and on and on. He then says the mayor and the governor are inciting insurrection with their pompous, dangerous and arrogant rhetoric. You know, this is just tough. We talked about bringing the temperature down. We talked about, you know, how we, where we go from here. And this is just going from bad to worse to catastrophic.

[TJ Holmes]

I haven't heard a, I don't know if I've heard an adult yet has someone who has. I, I guess the folks that we need or in those positions that we'll listen to are right now have different interests and they're, they're angry as well. But there's been a lot of back and forth between Waltz and Trump and Fry and Trump and, and Christy Noem and everybody. Like I haven't. Where's the voice? That's kind of calming things. That's reasonable right now. That is breaking through. I just don't hear it because the pictures, the news, Jesus Christ. Yes, we've been a part of this industry, but they love showing the tear gas and that's not the majority of how folks are behaving in Minneapolis. But that's. You really do think there is an insurrection going on. So I'm, I'm trying to think right now. Is any voice coming through? And I haven't necessarily heard one yet in this case, but Trump wasn't done talking that long. Tweet. That's not the only message he put out on social media having to do with Minnesota. We'll tell you what the other one was and also we'll let you know why we need to be concerned about another government shutdown. Stay here. Success starts with your drive. And American Public University is here to fuel it.

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[TJ Holmes]

All right folks, we continue here late late afternoon, this early evening. I'm not sure yet but right now we are coming on because there have been several updates, significant updates out of Minneapolis. And as we speak right now I saw a few pictures robes. It looks like it was growing, but it looks like it was still decent order. The live picture I saw out of Minneapolis as we are speaking now near the federal building, I think downtown is where the protests have been happening. And they're gathering, looks like another significant one as of this recording is gathering there now.

[Amy Robach]

That's correct. They said that there were potentially as many as a thousand people. And again, we know what the weather's like here in New York City. It is bitter, it is cold, it is tough. But they said there were at least a thousand people who have come to protest the, the killing now of Alex Preddy in addition to, obviously this is now the third killing that has happened in what has it been a little over three weeks since ICE agents descended upon Minneapolis St. Paul. Maybe a little over three weeks. But to have three, three deaths in three weeks is, is just hard to imagine. I mean we, we were talking about how bad it could get, how tough it might be. But to have almost Obviously, slightly different versions, but the same incident repeated and then caught on camera.

[TJ Holmes]

It's going to happen again. This is. This is going to happen again. I don't know. Well, no, obviously nobody knows what the. The right thing to do it. How do you have that conversation, the conversation you would have with your child going out to protest who has a license to carry? What would you tell your child? You tell them, leave your gun at home. Don't go out there messing around with ICE agents. Don't provoke. That's what you would tell them. And so the idea you would never, and you should never say out loud, got himself killed. Obviously you shouldn't say that. This man should not be dead. This is a very, very difficult case here. Robes of. We have how many videos? Five plus, in different angles. We have seen them, we have slowed them down, we have analyzed them, and everybody still disagrees about what they're seeing. So how the hell were six agents supposed to make the right call in a split second? That's just difficult on all sides. And there might be good people on all sides, but there was a scenario, there was something they had no control over that brought them all to that place together. And maybe that's where we need to back up and, and get that worked out.

[Amy Robach]

I just don't even have words. It's. It's because it's. It feels so defeating to see what's happened and how we've gotten even worse than we were. Like, things haven't gotten better, they've gotten worse. People have gotten angrier. They've become more divided. They feel more justified in their actions on both sides. So I don't know how this ends. It's just. It's awful. And look, now it's, you know, potentially going to lead to this government shutdown. Chuck Schumer is already saying he's got a plan because remember all of that hubbub this fall about the government shutting down and how long. The longest shutdown in history. Federal workers weren't paid, people weren't able to fly. We had all. I mean, this. Everyone was affected, some worse than others. But, yeah, we're looking at that again, January 30, five days from now. In five days, we have another potential government shutdown.

[TJ Holmes]

So a deal hasn't necessarily been struck, but we didn't think we were going to have a shutdown necessarily. But now the chances of that has. Have gone up because Chuck Schumer is saying that Democrats will not give the votes for any Department of Homeland Security funding, and they are willing to shut the government down over it.

[Amy Robach]

And I believe that they will do.

[TJ Holmes]

It this time that they believe they have people on their side based on what folks have been seeing in Minnesota.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. There has been enough anger and enough outrage and enough, you know, what can we do? This feeling of powerlessness. This is a moment where if Democrats can get the support that they need, they can actually find a way to push back. However, it will once again be federal workers and their families who pay the price.

[TJ Holmes]

They do have things now. They made some things shut down proof since the last one. So there are some essential workers who I think military, I think it might air traffic controllers, they made some exceptions here to where we won't have at least certain critical folks out. But yeah, we're looking at another government shutdown in a few days. Folks, we're going to try to find something a little more upbeat to put on the feed before the end of the night. No, I just. Hey, Ro, we, we. I don't know, it's. Look, it's relevant. It's happening. We need to. And we have to talk about it. But, but it was another rough day today in Minneapolis for a lot of reasons. So we always appreciate you spending some time with us. Of course. Any updates, we will jump on and send them your way. We always appreciate it. I'm TJ Holmes. On behalf of my dear Amy Robach, we will talk to you all soon. Success starts with your drive, and American Public University is here to fuel it.

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