Hillary Pounds The Table. Bill Keeps His Cool. In 9 hours of Almost Nothing.

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: "Hillary Pounds The Table. Bill Keeps His Cool. In 9 hours of Almost Nothing."

Date: March 3, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes (with Sarah Spain)

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Overview

In this episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes break down the just-released House committee video depositions of Hillary and Bill Clinton regarding the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. The much-buzzed-about nine hours of footage led to political posturing, viral moments—especially Hillary Clinton’s exasperation—and a rare, highly scrutinized testimony from the former president. The hosts analyze whether any substantive new information came out, what these testimonies mean for the ongoing investigation, and the broader, sometimes circus-like, nature of these hearings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Clinton Testimonies – Theater Over Substance

• Headline Moment: The most publicized sequence is Hillary Clinton’s frustration, culminating in her pounding the table and walking out for 30 minutes after Congresswoman Lauren Boebert secretly took and posted a photo of her (04:37–06:16).
  • Amy Robach: “This was about political theater and nothing else. This wasn’t about getting to the bottom of it.” (03:38)
• Bill Clinton’s Approach: In contrast, Bill Clinton is praised for remaining calm and forthcoming.
  • He was commended by both sides for showing up and answering all questions, including acknowledging his acquaintance with Epstein. (04:26–04:37)

2. The Repetitive Grilling of Hillary Clinton

• Hillary repeatedly stated she had “never been to his island, period… never been in his homes, his offices, his anything.” (04:37)
  • Hillary’s Exasperation: “If you have one scintilla of evidence to the contrary, put it forward.” – summary of Clinton’s main defense.
• T.J. Holmes: "She didn't say anything new...This is all just a waste of time." (05:22)
• The viral table-pounding/camera incident is discussed in granular detail (06:14–07:01), with an emphasis on how social media moments overtake substantive discussion.

3. The “Victims’ Advocate” Angle and Questionable Tactics

• Rep. Nancy Mace, herself a victim of sexual assault, presses Hillary on her personal emotional response to photos of Bill with young women.
  • Both hosts slam this as “a low blow” and irrelevant to the actual inquiry. (08:05–08:09)
• Lauren Boebert’s invocation of the Pizzagate conspiracy is criticized as irresponsible and dangerous, forcing Clinton to once again publicly debunk it. (08:36–09:49)
  • Amy Robach: “Irresponsible of Lauren Boebert to bring it up, given that there are some people out there who truly believe this and have actually caused harm because of it.” (09:28)

4. The Trump Precedent & Political Calculations

• Hillary more forcefully advocates that President Trump and others “prominently featured in the files” should testify under oath, highlighting that “the President of the United States is not above the law.” (10:30–11:25)
• Bill Clinton, meanwhile, is non-committal: “That’s for you to decide” when asked if Trump should be compelled, though he adds “he’d be on my list.” (21:15–21:59)

5. Bill Clinton’s Testimony: A Calm, Calculated Defense

• How He Met Epstein: Via former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who recommended Epstein as a donor and connector for philanthropic/global health projects—Epstein flew Clinton and his team for these. (14:21–15:53)
• Describing Epstein: “Didn’t find him creepy, but found him odd.” (12:09)
• The allure of Epstein’s resources is detailed as a common “perk” that famous people fall for. (15:53–16:47)
  • T.J. Holmes: “It was interesting to hear even the President, a former president of the United States, appreciates a hookup...” (15:53)
• The Infamous Photos: Bill admits being in the hot tub in Brunei, insists everyone was 18+, and says the “massage in the airport” was due to a neck spasm. (17:12–18:38)
  • Bill Clinton quote: “The problem I remember from that trip was my neck had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered to help, and I let them help.” (18:16)

6. Dealing with Ghislaine Maxwell & Pardons

• Bill Clinton acknowledges having been friends with Ghislaine Maxwell, expresses sadness but says she “has to be punished,” and declines to say whether she should be pardoned—considered a shrewd non-answer. (20:03–21:15)

7. Bill Clinton as an Unintentional Character Witness for Trump

• Clinton’s testimony surprisingly bolsters Trump’s defense concerning Epstein:
  • T.J. Holmes: “Bill Clinton seemed to, crazy as it sounds... a character witness for Donald Trump in this whole thing.” (21:59–22:32)
• Bill’s account differs from Trump’s about their falling out with Epstein—Clinton says it was a real estate dispute, not because of issues with Epstein’s conduct. (22:32–23:14)

8. Did the Hearing Accomplish Anything?

• The hosts repeatedly question whether anything of substance emerged from nine hours of testimony.
  • Amy Robach: “Seriously, I would say we didn’t move. Not even an inch.” (20:03)
  • T.J. Holmes: “What do we do now? Keep digging through the files? There’s his name again. Keep digging.” (26:24)
• The lack of feedback from victims and survivors is noted, and the hosts muse whether anything can put the Clinton-Epstein speculation to rest. (25:23–25:55)
• There is speculation on whether Trump, Larry Summers, or Prince Andrew could be compelled to testify next. (26:57–27:01)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Nature of the Hearing:

  • “This was about political theater and nothing else.” – Amy Robach (03:38)
  • “She has made it very clear multiple times...I have never been to his island, period.” – Amy Robach (04:37)
  • “I am done with this. If you guys are doing that, I am done. You can hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home.” – (Recounting Hillary Clinton at 06:16)

• On Low Blows and Conspiracy Theories:

  • “That was a low blow.” – T.J. Holmes, on Nancy Mace’s question (08:05)
  • “I actually thought it was irresponsible...given that there are some people out there who truly believe this and have actually caused harm because of it.” – Amy Robach, on Pizzagate (09:28)

• On Bill Clinton’s Coolness:

  • “He gave a real answer that didn’t give you a whole lot of ways to come back at him. Yep, I knew her. Yep, I knew her fairly well...End of story.” – T.J. Holmes, on Ghislaine Maxwell (21:15)

• On the Testimony’s Impact:

  • “It’s too bad...that too often, we, all of us, look at these hearings and we’re looking for what, fireworks, instead of actual information.” – T.J. Holmes (24:53)

• Bill Clinton's (reluctant) defense of Trump:

  • “He’d be on my list.” (21:59)
  • “Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.” – Amy Robach (24:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 02:22: Show intro; setting up the Clinton tapes' release
• 03:08–05:22: Breakdown of Hillary Clinton’s grilling and her reactions
• 06:16–07:01: Viral table-pounding incident (Lauren Boebert photo)
• 08:05–09:49: Discussion of inappropriate/irrelevant questions and Pizzagate
• 10:30–11:25: Precedent and discussion on whether Trump should testify
• 12:09–16:47: Bill Clinton’s testimony, relationship with Epstein, first meeting, and perks
• 17:12–18:38: Bill Clinton explains infamous hot tub/massage photos
• 20:03–21:15: Ghislaine Maxwell—friendship and pardon question
• 21:59–24:13: Clinton as an unexpected character witness for Trump, speculation about their relationship
• 24:53–26:23: Impact (or lack thereof) of the hearings; call for victim/survivor responses
• 26:57–27:01: Speculation on who could be called next (Summers, Prince Andrew, Trump)

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Tone and Final Takeaways

The hosts’ tone is skeptical, at times sardonic, and ultimately frustrated by the lack of substantive progress. There’s a focus on how partisan spectacle and viral moments have overtaken genuine investigation, while both Clintons—especially Bill—come off as well-practiced, unfazed, and possibly even exonerated in the court of public opinion. Both hosts express a desire to move beyond endless re-litigation of the Clintons' Epstein ties and wonder who—if anyone—will provide true revelations for the alleged victims.

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For listeners:
You’ll come away with a clear sense that, despite hours of footage and media hype, the Clinton testimonies revealed little new about Epstein and far more about how American politics now runs on theater and viral moments over facts or closure.

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there everybody. It is Tuesday, March 3rd. Welcome to this episode of Amy TJ where we are all waking up talking about the Clinton tapes. Yes, those nine hours of testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton in front of that House committee talking about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Those videos have been released and the big headline everyone is focused on because the video is probably the most exciting out of all the nine hours that journalists have been pouring over. Is Hillary Clinton losing her cool? I wouldn't call it unhinged as we heard it described, but she did get visibly frustrated multiple times Answering the same questions over and over.

[T.J. Holmes]

Do you call it visibly? I call it justifiably. Absolutely. She's in this and all this set up. Look, she had every right to do more than she did. She should have stormed out of that. She'd have flipped the table over and I would have said, okay, I know a lot of people on the other side. This is Hillary Clinton. This is typical she's up there line. This he was doing. I, that's the line. But folks, this was supposed to be something fair, that it was negotiated. We heard about this moment. We're seeing it on video. And quite frankly, I. It's not a whole lot that came out of this. So I think a lot of people are focusing on that thing.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly. And the point being, this is supposed to be information gathering. This is supposed to shed light on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And truly it was what the Clintons thought it was going to be. And I think what most people will acknowledge it was when they see these videos. This was about political theater and nothing else. This wasn't about getting to the bottom of it. I did think it was interesting, though, that Bill Clinton, when he got up there and testified, yes, he reiterated that Hillary should not have been subpoenaed, period. But he said that he understood why he was called to testify. He said, I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him and you have a right to ask those questions. Questions. I thought that was extremely and exceptionally fair of the former president.

[T.J. Holmes]

It makes sense. Yes. I knew the guy. She didn't. Yeah, he made that mention. And look, plenty of folks on both sides came out and were complimentary to him for showing up and answering every question.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, indeed. We'll begin with Hillary Clinton's testimony. She went up first. And certainly that is the video, though. That is what you're going to be seeing when you turn on the television today or you go online. It's going to be Hillary Clinton getting frustrated multiple times. And they kept asking her about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was like, was that a tactic on their part? Because she has made it very clear multiple times. She said, I am so tired of answering that question. If you have one scintilla of evidence to the contrary, put it forward. I have never been to his island, period. I have never been in his homes, his offices, his anything. I don't know how many times you have to say the same thing over and over and over and over again.

[T.J. Holmes]

This is all just a waste of time. We. She didn't say anything that all of them didn't know already going in. It only takes one of them on a 30 member committee. 30 plus member committee. Only one needs to ask that question. They didn't have anything to ask. They ran out of things. That's fine. But she didn't say anything new. She certainly didn't. Bill Clinton might have given some insights that we didn't know, but Hillary Clinton, it's just, it feels. I didn't even call it political theater. There wasn't even enough theater. It's nine hours and the only thing you're gonna see on TV today, folks, is this clip running of her pounding the table, getting upset, getting up, walking out. Because that was the moment that Lauren Boebert of Colorado, Republican congresswoman, posted a picture and that was the moment that it all went down. And that's what people were curious to see. But Rose, it lasted a matter of seconds.

[Sarah Spain]

Yes.

[T.J. Holmes]

Out of nine hours of testimony.

[Amy Robach]

And clearly that is what Congresswoman Boebert was hoping would happen. She was pushing her. And so yes, takes a picture of her without her knowing it. They find out it's published. Hillary Clinton finds out about it. And this is the clip you'll hear. She says, I'm done with this. If you guys are doing that, I am done. You can hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior. And that is when Lauren Bobert, you can hear her in the video saying, I did post one. And Clinton says, oh, for heaven's sake. And that's when she pounds the table. She gets up and she leaves for 30 minutes. And that is when we now know, or we heard at the time, the Clintons and Hillary Clinton and her team then reiterated that they wanted this hearing open to the public, Period.

[T.J. Holmes]

Not happening. Not going to happen. And this was the whole point. This would have been a really boring live hearing to watch it. Really. Well, I mean, the stuff, the exercise with Hillary Clinton was just, it was an exercise. Some will say yes, got her on the record and this needed to be done. And that's fine. But the, the, the. We're at war and the government is partially shut down. Okay? They find this important for the victims. If, if I'm trying robes, I'm trying to give some space for someone sincerely wanting her to come before this committee because they thought she could add to an investigation that's going to give healing and closure to the victims of the Epstein controversy. Really? Somebody thought that. Okay, that's fine.

[Amy Robach]

And you know, to your. Really. So we have Representative Nancy Mace, who we have interviewed and we have sat down with out of South Carolina who has made it very clear that she is a victim's advocate, that she too is a victim of sexual assault. But she asked Hillary, she went there. She said, when you saw your husband in these photos with young women being massaged, what went through your mind?

[T.J. Holmes]

That was a low blow.

[Amy Robach]

How is that getting to.

[T.J. Holmes]

It was a low blow to the

[Amy Robach]

heart of the Epstein investigation.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's fine if she thoughts this. That was a low blow. That. That was it. It was almost mean. That was tough, man. And I'm trying to give Nancy May some space here as well. Robes that she thought this was a sincere or meaningful question or even a relevant one to ask about Hillary Clinton's emotion in seeing the photos. That helps us help the victims. In what way? I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

To me, that was the most glaring example of exactly what this was all about. And by the way, Clinton. Hillary Clinton has answered plenty of questions like that over the years. She just said, I'm not going to speculate. So she didn't take the bait. That was good to see. I personally thought it was one of the lowest moments was Lauren Boebert not just taking the photo, but then asking her about Pizzagate. And for any of you who don't know what Pizzagate is, you can sum it up like this. This fairly ridiculous online conspiracy theory that somehow got legs that actually created an incident that Clinton, Hillary Clinton was a part of some child sex ring operating out of a D.C. pizzeria basement. And so to see the former Secretary of state, the former first lady, the former New York senator, actually have to talk about Pizzagate, saying it was totally made up. An outrageous allegation that ended up hurting a number of people, caused a deranged young man to show up with an assault rifle and shoot up a local pizzeria. I actually thought it was irresponsible. Responsible of Lauren Boebert to bring it up, given that there are some people out there who truly believe this and have actually caused harm because of it.

[T.J. Holmes]

Well, that's why it's not in her mind and other people's minds. Irresponsible. Because there are people out there who believe this and she might be one of them. And that's fine. There are people who are listening who said nope. Who will never ever believe a word that comes out of the Clinton's mouth, including that Pizzagate is absurd and it's never been obviously. What? What what? Proven. Where has that ever been proven? It's not. It's just Something that went crazy online. It's made it to a congressional deposition with the former first lady, former senator, former Secretary of state under oath. And I'm going to ask you about some wild online theory. Fine. She thinks that helps the Epstein victims in some way.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. I did think it was interesting. Hillary Clinton went much further than her husband did on whether or not she thought should also be compelled to testify. Because that is among some of what came out of this. At least there was precedent set in a lot of folks minds. And there are plenty of Democrats who want to see President Trump subpoenaed in this investigation or in these hearings. And she had this to say about President Trump. The President of the United States is not above the law and should be in a setting like this answering questions under oath, as should others who are prominently featured in the files, and especially the group that is featured after 2008. She makes a very valid point also, again, in that way, why am I here? Why am I being asked questions about my emotions behind seeing photos? I think we all. I think it was very obvious why she was there after we saw the video.

[T.J. Holmes]

Because they want to help the victims heal.

[Amy Robach]

Okay.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's why.

[Sarah Spain]

Yes, of course.

[Amy Robach]

All right.

[T.J. Holmes]

Hillary Clinton is the key to their healing.

[Amy Robach]

So while Hillary Clinton literally had nothing to offer and said she had nothing to offer the committee in terms of any sort of information towards this investigation, Bill Clinton, as he pointed out, potentially did. And so he did sit down. And by the way, the first time a former president was compelled to testify before a congressional committee. And look, he testified, we've heard this before, that he never saw. He never heard Jeffrey Epstein talk about sex. He never saw any massages with young girls. And I thought this was interesting. He said he didn't find him creepy, but he found him odd.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's. That actually makes sense, that it's almost impossible or unfathomable that what we now know about him was going on while he was running in circles and coming off completely normal. And I guess this is something we know about pedophiles. They have a way of being able to present themselves as perfectly normal. But this guy was able to fool folks who aren't fooled that easily by bullshitters, if you will. But no, that's to hear. Yeah, he's an odd guy, but nothing crazy. And that's a good point. Robes about this was all pre conviction Epstein. Trump was in the orbit during that time and after that time a little bit, wasn't I?

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay, so. So yeah, you, you could easily. I don't care who you are, robes that's just in front of you. Easy argument that Trump should even have been called before Clinton.

[Amy Robach]

You could argue absolutely. And there are plenty or all Democrats have been clamoring for that. So when we come back, we're going to talk about, I thought this was really fascinating, how Bill Clinton first met Epstein, why he became friendly with him and what he thinks about President Trump because he actually differed from his wife Hillary on answering that question. Welcome back, everyone, as we continue to talk about these video tapes that have just been released of Hillary and Bill Clinton testifying before the House Oversight Committee on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Hillary got a little feisty. She left for about 30 minutes after that picked fracture was released and posted against all House rules. And yeah, she lost her cool a couple of times. She was visibly frustrated. And a lot of people say rightfully, justifiably so. Now, Bill Clinton kept his cool. Not to be surprised by that. He certainly has had his fair share of depositions. But I thought it was interesting. We learned how he first met Jeffrey Epstein through his former treasury secretary, Larry

[T.J. Holmes]

Summers, who's got all kinds of problems these days. Right.

[Amy Robach]

We've heard his name quite a bit. Of course, he just, he had removed himself from much of his public life and just in the last week or so stepped down from Harvard, which was a very prestigious, probably one of the most prestigious positions you could have as a tenured professor there at Harvard.

[T.J. Holmes]

But yeah, I can work here for the rest of my life. Harvard wants me with them until I die. That you don't give up that job, that's like executive producer of 60 Minutes. Remember that guy?

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's one of those things.

[Amy Robach]

These are positions that people don't leave voluntarily. Yes. So it was back to Larry Summers. But this is what Bill Clinton had to say about Summers. He said Summers was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein, who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars to brain research and he was information hungry and he wanted to spend some time talking to me about economics and politics. So we told him that. He said that Larry Summers said, hey, he's got this massive airplane. He'll take you, your staff, your Secret Service detail, anybody else you want to bring on the trips to set up a global network to provide life saving AIDS medicine to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. So Bill Clinton said, hey, I was, you know, he was basically given the stamp of approval by someone he trusted. But he said it became pretty quickly over a period of time that, that it seemed as though Epstein wasn't as interested in the philanthropic endeavors that Clinton was taking on, and so he kind of just removed himself from the situation.

[T.J. Holmes]

It was interesting to hear that even the President, a former resident of the United States, appreciates a hookup. I thought that was interesting to me. Like, we all have been in that position before. We hanging with somebody. Oh, you got the car. Oh, you got this. Oh, you got. You got the house up in. In Montauk.

[Amy Robach]

Sure.

[T.J. Holmes]

We can roll to hear the president said he. As if this made life easier on him because someone provided him a service. Now it's the former president. Taxpayer money and this and that and what's left over and how much money he had in the bank. Flying private is expensive.

[Amy Robach]

It's very expensive.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay, so this guy is offering. I thought that was interesting, just to put whatever aside and to let this new guy into your orbit because he had a plane. This is how Jeffrey Epstein did this. He dangled millions, and he dangled opportunity. He dangled planes, he dangled islands. He did all this stuff, and people fell for it.

[Amy Robach]

And. Yeah, and you know what? He dangled credibility because of that, because enough people fell for it. When you're a prominent or wealthy or powerful person and you see other wealthy, powerful, prominent people around this guy, that's kind of like street cred. You don't even need to do a background check because maybe you assume everyone else already has.

[T.J. Holmes]

Summers was his commerce secretary, or was he.

[Amy Robach]

It was his. His treasury secretary.

[T.J. Holmes]

Treasury. Sorry. Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And so then, of course, as you might imagine, Bill Clinton had to answer for some of the photos that had been released. And so there was that hot tub,

[T.J. Holmes]

Just the one that's. Come on now. You said photos. There's only one photo.

[Amy Robach]

Massage in an airport by an unknown woman.

[T.J. Holmes]

I didn't see the airport.

[Amy Robach]

And then there's the hot tub. He said obviously he did nothing sexual. He said he didn't know the women. He said they were all over 18. He was in Brunei. And he said he was at the pool, he was tired, Secret Service was there, and he went to bed afterwards. End of story.

[T.J. Holmes]

But he also explained you're only seeing. He said it was a big pool with a bunch of people in it, and there's just one angle. It shot, and it looks like those are the only two. It is not the case at all. Although that was interesting. He explained that photo in a way that has not been explained.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, and think about it.

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I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

You don't like hot tubs, But I have been at A hotel and gotten into a hot tub. And there have been other people in the hot tub with me and could have taken a photo at an angle that looked like I was sitting. You know, that's. That is understandable for anyone who has been in a hotel hot tub, robes.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's. That's. So I need to wait for a picture of you coming out with some guy. Who is he?

[Amy Robach]

I don't. I don't think that's happening, but yes. Just saying. The massage in the airport, I thought it was interesting. He said his neck had spasmed and that one of the women offered to help. This is a quote from him. The problem I remember from that trip was my neck had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered to help, and I let them help. So that's how he described this massage.

[T.J. Holmes]

That's the only answer I heard that I could kind of go, okay, man, but still, it's. It's believable in that, yes, you had a neck spasm. Should you allow some other woman you don't know and that your wife doesn't know to put her hands on you outside of a massage therapy business?

[Amy Robach]

You're gonna have to answer to your wife for sure if that photo comes out. And if you're president, maybe to other

[T.J. Holmes]

folks, answer to her. He still shouldn't have to answer to a committee under oath for it.

[Amy Robach]

I hear you. What did you think about his exchange with Nancy Mace about this deposition in 2016 where Epstein allegedly told a victim that the former president likes them young, and then Nancy Mace makes a reference to Monica Lewinsky.

[T.J. Holmes]

Again, it wasn't we talked about. Oh, yeah, the low blow. So, yes, this was the other unnecessary, meant to embarrass. And this would have been the moment if.

[Amy Robach]

If, If.

[T.J. Holmes]

If this was on live television. This would have been the moment that a bunch of networks would have played over and over and over again. If she feels that this helps the victims in some way, what was she trying to get at? I don't know. Don't know. It's in Nancy Maze's heart. But. But, yeah, that was how that gets us to where we are trying to get in this investigation, where all of this stuff, what, nine hours, ten hours worth of depositions? How much closer did we move to justice or healing for the victim?

[Amy Robach]

Seriously, I would say we didn't move. Not even an inch. Not even an inch. Now, on Ghislaine Maxwell, I thought this was also interesting. He acknowledged a friendship, and he said, I think that this thing was really Hard for me when it came out because, you know, we had been friendly with Ghislaine. I was sad, but it was terrible what she did and she has to be punished. But he wouldn't say. He said it wasn't for him to say whether or not she should be pardoned. But I thought that was a genuine response. He wasn't trying to act as though they were barely friends or they weren't friends or he hardly knew her. He said that it was. It made him sad. And I thought that was a genuine answer.

[T.J. Holmes]

What now do you do with that? Right. He was smart not to answer the other question because that would have been a headline. Trump or Clinton believes Ghislaine Maxwell should be pardoned or should not be pardoned. Both of those would have made a headline. That's not my call. He left it. That was, that was good political Bill Clinton in that moment. So, yeah, he gave a real answer that didn't give you a whole lot of ways to come back at him. Yep, I knew her. Yep, I knew her fairly well. Yeah, it kind of sucks when I found out about what she was up to. End of story.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, can't really take that anywhere. And, and the last point, and on that same line of thinking he was. I didn't think about the fact that, yes, if he had answered either way, that would have been a headline and he knew it. So he gave a non committal answer. I hadn't even considered that that was strategic. But that makes a lot of sense. And it probably is the same with what he had to say about President Trump, because we mentioned Hillary Clinton made it very clear she thinks President Trump should be compelled to testify. Bill Clinton said something different. He said, that's for you to decide. But he did know him well. So we kind of left a little breadcrumbing. And then when he got pushed further on it, he said, well, he'd be on my list. I just think that he was very statesmanlike when he said that.

[T.J. Holmes]

Yeah, well, and he. Look, Ghislaine Maxwell is one thing, when she gave her testimony or interviews and things, she said that she didn't see Trump do anything wrong. I thought Bill Clinton vouched for Trump. He did, in a way that. Now that we talk about headlines, I was asking you what was the biggest thing that came out? Now that I'm sitting here and talking about it, I think that might have been huge, including huge for Trump. He probably wasn't expecting that. But Bill Clinton seemed to, crazy as it sounds, and forgive the language, a character witness of sorts for Donald Trump in this whole thing. I was surprised by that.

[Amy Robach]

You know, it's funny because I was surprised a few days earlier, before the testimony, we heard Trump say he didn't think or he felt bad for the. For Bill Clinton. He didn't think that he should have to be testifying. So it was like there was a little friendship going on back and forth behind the scenes between Bill Clinton and President Trump. But he did also shed a little light into his understanding of why President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein ultimately fell out. We know that Trump has claimed that it was because he was creepy and poaching girls from Mar a Lago, but Bill Clinton testified that Trump fell out with Epstein over a real estate deal. He said they both wanted the same land or the same house or the same something, and they fell out over that. And that's a very different story than

[T.J. Holmes]

what Trump tells, but they fell out. But again, Clinton even said he had a conversation or two with Trump about it and about Epstein, and nothing really came out of it. Didn't. I was very surprised. No. Excuse me. I shouldn't say that. It almost seemed like it seemed odd to have Clinton and Trump on the same team.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[T.J. Holmes]

Not that they need to or even have an incentive to defend each other, but this is a very exclusive club. Former presidents, first of all. And now we got former presidents involved with Epstein. That's an even smaller club. And these two have insights. And I think one of the most robes. There are people out there arguing about what Trump knew, what he didn't know, and said he should be in jail, and others saying he didn't know anything. I think one of the best witnesses for Trump has been Bill Clinton because of who he is, certainly, and because of what he knows and for him to be under oath and almost vouch for Trump. And a lot of what Trump has been saying publicly, that was fascinating.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.

[T.J. Holmes]

Didn't have that on my bingo card.

[Amy Robach]

Well, the transcripts are still to come. They. And by the way, this video, some of it was redacted. The transcripts have to be approved by both the Clintons, but people will be expecting that as well, because, you know, journalists spent long, long hours into the night going through these tapes trying to see if there was any big, big, huge moment. And really and truly, it was just Hillary Clinton upset over that photo being released. And. And that's about the biggest firework that happened in nine hours of Testimony.

[T.J. Holmes]

But it's too bad. And this is what you know. Damn it, Robes. That's a shame that too often we, all of us look at these hearings and we're looking for what, fireworks instead of actual information that's going to further something along. And it happened once again. And it's just this time the fireworks weren't live for all of us to see. And now we're looking at the depositions, I guess. Nothing to it, really, because nobody's fighting and arguing and yelling. That's too bad. This is not what this was about. I haven't seen reaction. Have you yet. From any of the Epstein survivors and the Epstein victims.

[Amy Robach]

You know what? I haven't. And that's a really good point, because it would be interesting to see what they had to say about this, because this exercise. Yes, and yes. And the point being that there was nothing new that advanced this investigation based on what Hillary and Bill had to say. I do think it was important. I actually do think it was important that Bill Clinton. I'm glad he testified. I'm glad that he testified under oath. I think maybe for the Clintons. You may laugh when I say this. Maybe they can finally put this behind them after having done this.

[T.J. Holmes]

I don't know what else you can ask these folks for. He was under oath. And every Republican who has every incentive to get this guy through everything about Epstein they could come up with at him, and he walks away. Really? Robes. Looking the same he did as he did when he walked in. I don't know anything else. He explained a few other things. He explained a picture which didn't make it worse. It made me go, oh, okay. Yeah, because the picture looks bad.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, it does.

[T.J. Holmes]

In. Without context. But some people say, oh, he's just lying. That's not. That's fine. But ropes. What. What else do you want him to do? What do we do now? Keep digging through the files. There's his name again. Keep digging. Keep digging. Okay, but that's why I want to hear from the victims and what they think about this now, what they think about Clinton now moving forward. Do we need to now move on to the next thing and the next name. Who is that? Because what's the biggest name outside of this one? Robes. It's Trump. Maybe they could get Summers in there. Maybe they could get.

[Amy Robach]

Maybe they can get Andrew in there. I know there's been conversations about the former prince.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay, good luck. Okay. I think you need to pipe down, pipsqueak.

[Amy Robach]

We will, of course, continue to follow all of the developments out of this House oversight committee. See who they can compel to testify next. But with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside T.J. holmes. Look for morning run coming up in just a bit. We always appreciate you. Have a great day.

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