In Less Than 48 Hours Her Son Will Be Executed Unless The Governor Intervenes, Our Interview With Linda Wood And Her Granddaughters

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: In Less Than 48 Hours Her Son Will Be Executed Unless The Governor Intervenes – Interview with Linda Wood and Her Granddaughters

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes (iHeartPodcasts)
Guests: Linda Wood (mother of Tremaine Wood), Brooklyn Wood and Andreana Wood (his nieces)

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Episode Overview

This emotional, urgent episode centers on the experiences of Linda Wood, whose son Tremaine Wood is scheduled for execution in less than 48 hours, unless the Governor of Oklahoma grants clemency. Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes move beyond the legal details to focus on the human toll—hosting an intimate, vulnerable conversation with Tremaine’s mother and two nieces, Brooklyn and Andreana. The episode explores the family’s anguish, the impact of the death penalty, and their hope and activism in his final days.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Background of Tremaine Wood’s Case

• Case Recap:
  • Tremaine Wood, now 46, was convicted in his 20s for involvement in a robbery on New Year’s Day, 2002, where a man was fatally stabbed.
  • Both Tremaine and his brother Jake were convicted. Jake confessed, received life without parole; Tremaine received the death penalty amid concerns over inadequate legal representation.
  • The clemency board recently recommended clemency (3-2 vote), but ultimate authority lies with Governor Stitt, who has yet to decide ([04:07]).

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The Emotional Experience of the Family

• Unimaginable Stress:

  • Linda Wood shares how the anticipation of her son’s execution weighs on her:

    “Life for me right now as Tremaine's mother is stress level 1000... My heart is so heavy with the thought that my son could die in less than two days.” — Linda Wood [06:45]

  • Both Linda and Brooklyn talk about insomnia, loss of appetite, and being emotionally “drained” ([08:31]).

• Preparing for Loss:

  • “You don't prepare. I have tried to play that scenario over in my mind a million times in the last 21 years... This cannot be the end of my son's story.” — Linda Wood [07:30]
  • Brooklyn: “It’s hard to sleep... it's hard to eat... when you're thinking that the person you love the most... is going to be gone in under 48 hours if this doesn't go the right way.” [08:56]

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Tremaine’s Impact as a Family Member

• Role Model & Mentor:

  • “My uncle has made an amazing impact in my life. He's helped me through multiple mental health crises... and taught me that my worth isn't measured by what people say but by what I see inside myself.” — Brooklyn Wood [09:33]
  • Tremaine is described as selfless, putting others first even behind bars ([10:30]).

• Maintaining Family Bonds Through Incarceration:

  • Linda explains how she raised Andreana from birth and made sure she maintained contact with her uncles (Tremaine and Jake), bringing her to visit in jail as a baby ([13:05]).
  • “Every kid has a right to know who their family is.” — Linda Wood [15:17]

• The Weight of Losing Two Sons:

  • Linda recounts losing Jake to suicide and now faces losing Tremaine:

    "To lose one child and now at the thought that within 48 hours I could lose a second child... One third of my heart is already gone. If Tremaine dies, that's two thirds. And it's hard to live with one third of a heart." — Linda Wood [17:09]

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The Execution Process & Anticipating Final Visits

• Final Interactions and Death Watch:

  • The family details their last in-person visit—the reality that their last hug may have been their final one ([28:14]).
  • “If I'd known it was the last one, we'd have probably hugged him a little tighter and held him a little longer.” — Linda Wood [28:24]
  • Under “Death Watch,” Tremaine is moved next to the execution chamber; his possessions are limited, and most of his family’s phone numbers have been blocked ([53:44]).

• Witnessing the Execution:

  • Tremaine has requested that none of his immediate family be present at the execution; only his spiritual advisor will be with him ([32:25]).
  • Linda: “I told him I would respect whoever he wanted there, just know it couldn’t be me. I don’t know that I can even be conscious when 10 o’clock Thursday comes.” [33:07]

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Reflections on Oklahoma's Death Penalty Laws

• Felony Murder Law Critique:

  • “First of all, I think it's the stupidest law that was ever written in the history of the world... If I didn't kill this person, then I don't deserve to die.” — Linda Wood [37:51]
  • Linda argues Tremaine was “the least culpable of everybody that participated in this crime,” expressing belief in his remorse ([38:24]) and referencing the victim’s family’s opposition to execution ([39:20]).

• Legal Representation and Clemency:

  • The family expresses gratitude for the clemency board’s recommendation—“a miracle that my son was far overdue for” ([34:09]).
  • After the recommendation, the fight for clemency from the governor is ongoing, and the family remains both hopeful and anxious.
  • Linda on the governor: “I just pray that as the last act of human compassion for someone, that he will do the right thing and stand up and grant my son clemency.” [37:11]

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Broader Reflections: Family and Faith

• Tremaine’s Growth and Redemption:

  • Linda describes Tremaine’s transformation in prison and his desire to effect change:

    “Even in the final moments when death is knocking at his door, possibly, he's still thinking about... a change in this broken system. As his mother, I’m proud for him to be my son.” — Linda Wood [44:38], [45:56]

  • The hosts and family highlight the waste of executing someone who mentors others, gives back, and demonstrates deep personal change ([47:24]).

• Ongoing Hope, Uncertainty, and Advocacy:

  • Linda: “This just cannot be the end of Tremaine’s story. He has so much left that he wants to give to the world and the people around him.” [47:24]
  • Brooklyn: “He keeps me going and keeps me from... going insane practically.” [49:24]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "You don’t prepare. I have tried to play that scenario over in my mind a million times… my mind won’t allow me to even fathom him not being here any longer."
  – Linda Wood [07:30]

• "If I didn't kill this person, then I don't deserve to die."
  – Linda Wood [38:00]

• "To lose one child, and now at the thought that within 48 hours I could lose a second child... and it's hard to live with one third of a heart."
  – Linda Wood [17:09]

• "This just cannot be the end of Tremaine’s story. He has so much left that he wants to give."
  – Linda Wood [47:24]

• "If there's one thing I could end this on, it would be our family, his legal team, they've all been amazing, and we are all stronger than the storm we are going through."
  – Linda Wood [53:32]

• "I feel like... we do try to find little things in the day... We joke with our uncle a lot... just to keep him in good spirits."
  – Brooklyn Wood [43:32]

• "Even in the final moments, when death is knocking at his door... he’s still thinking about, I want my life to make a difference to people that still have to come where I’m at now."
  – Linda Wood [45:56]

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Important Segments

• [02:56] — Introduction to the case and family members
• [06:28] — Family begins sharing their experience
• [13:05] — Importance of maintaining family relationships through prison
• [15:17] — Coping with losing two sons to incarceration and suicide
• [17:09] — The unique pain of losing multiple children
• [28:14] — Final (possibly last) contact visit and the reality of goodbyes
• [32:25] — Details on execution protocol and witnesses
• [34:09] — Clemency recommendation as emotional high point
• [37:51] — Discussion of Oklahoma's felony murder law
• [47:24] — Reflections on Tremaine's value to the world if allowed to live
• [53:44] — Tremaine’s current conditions on “Death Watch”
• [57:36] — Hosts recap and reflect on learnings from the family’s experience

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Tone and Style

The episode is raw, direct, and deeply emotional, with the hosts empathetic but unflinching, and the family members sharing moments of sorrow, hope, and even brief laughter. The conversation remains intimate, focused on the hearts and lived realities at the center of capital punishment debates.

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Takeaways

• Humanization of Death Row: Through Linda, Brooklyn, and Andreana’s voices, the episode powerfully conveys the ripple effects of the death penalty on families.
• Last-Minute Uncertainty: The family’s hope rests entirely on the Governor’s last-minute intervention, adding to the already excruciating agony.
• Call for Change: Deep critiques of the legal system’s rigidity, Oklahoma’s felony murder doctrine, and the way these processes impact not just the condemned, but all who love them.
• Personal Advocacy: Linda, Brooklyn, and Andreana each exemplify personal, relentless advocacy, resisting despair to fight for Tremaine as both a son/uncle and a person capable of change.

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Closing

• Last Words from Linda:

  “We are all stronger than the storm we are going through.” [53:32]

• Status Update:

  • As of recording, Tremaine is scheduled for execution at 10 AM unless Governor Stitt intervenes. In the past, the Governor has rarely granted clemency even when recommended ([56:47]).

• Hosts’ Reflection:

  • T.J.: “We always say, if there’s any little bitty question of any kind, let’s err on the side of not killing somebody, because you can’t correct that mistake. This is certainly one of those.” [57:36]
  • Dr. Priyanka Wali: “If the family of the victims do not want the convicted killer of their loved one to be executed, that should be the final say. Period.” [58:22]

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A moving, difficult listen—this episode puts a human face on justice, mercy, and the pain wrought by the death penalty, just hours before an irreversible act.

Transcript

[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.

[TJ Holmes]

And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled Do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Brooklyn Wood]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Brooklyn Wood]

Extremely.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

And I'm Maitha Gomez Rejun.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[Linda Wood]

If you're not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[Linda Wood]

No way.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Listen to hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, November 11, and as of this, we are 48 hours away, less than 48 hours away from the execution of inmate Tremaine Wood in Oklahoma. His family, in particular his mother and his two young nieces, hugged him for the last time months ago. They just had no idea that was possibly going to be the last hug. Welcome, everybody, to this episode of Amy and TJ In Robes. I'm speaking in particular about Linda Wood, Andreanna Wood, and Brooklyn Wood, the mother and two nieces of Tremaine, who are right now, Robes, holding out hope that Thursday won't be the end.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And they aren't sleeping, they aren't eating, and they have experienced every emotion imaginable anticipating what could possibly happen. No one knows what the governor is going to decide, and he has until literally the 11th hour, moments before the scheduled execution, to make a decision whether or not to grant Tremaine Wood clemency.

[TJ Holmes]

So you can only imagine, folks, what it's like for that family right now. But we have covered this story. Robach and I have been following this story for weeks. We have a whole episode on the case itself. But we're talking about a man, Tremaine Wood, who is 46 years old now, who was in his 20s when he was a part of a robbery that took place on New Year's day back in 2002, a robbery in which a man ended up dead, stabbed to death. Tremaine Wood and his brother were the two who took part in this robbery. There was a back and forth about who actually was the one who killed the man. But Tremaine Wood's brother, also convicted in this crime, Robes, he got life in prison. Tremaine ends up with. Here we are on death row. There's all kinds of questions and legal questions about the representation that Tremaine Wood got, which by all accounts, I think everybody agrees, and he did not get adequate representation. This has led us now to a clemency hearing that we just heard a matter of about a week ago in which the clemency board recommended yes, in a vote of 3 to 2, his life should be spared. But that doesn't spare his life, Robes. It means that now the governor, and that catches everybody up. And that leads us to these three women, these three young ladies that we had a chance to talk to. We've talked to a lot of people over the years and covered a lot of cases. I'm. I actually can't remember talking to someone this intimately who was this close to having their loved one killed.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

I have never had a conversation like we just had with these three women who are going through something that no mother and no family member would ever want to imagine. And yet to sit down with them and to have the time with them that we had with them, it is impossible to not feel for these women, to not feel, feel something for what is state sanctioned murder in this country.

[TJ Holmes]

So, folks, we want you to hear from them now. And, and look, Robach and I, we covered this case. We pointed out we're not going through all the legalities and the back and forth and the nuances and the legalities of this case. This was a matter of talking to three women who are days away from losing someone who was possibly the most important person in their lives and one of the most influential. So here now we want you to listen to our conversation with Linda Wood, mother of Tremaine Wood and Andrea and Brooklyn Wood, his nieces.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And I imagine you all have in the past at least week, been non stop. In fact, you were just at an event for Tremont. Tell me how you're feeling, what you've been doing, and what life is like right now.

[Linda Wood]

Life for me right now is Tremaine's mother is stress level 1000. It is. My heart is so heavy with the thought that my son could die in less than two days. So that's kind of how my life has been for these last few months. He has been treated so badly at the penitentiary that. And you know, as a mother, the only thing you want to do when your child is hurting is make it better. And you can't. So it's been very stressful. Very stressful, ma'.

[TJ Holmes]

Am. You say stressful. How does one prepare for the death of their child?

[Linda Wood]

You don't. You don't prepare. I have tried to play that scenario over in my mind a million times in the last 21 years. Years. Because we knew from the day he was sentenced to death that that was a very real possibility. But my mind won't allow me to even fathom him not being here any longer. I always go back to the same thing. This cannot be the end of my son's story.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

You have been sitting with this, living with this for more than two decades. But as we're speaking to you, it is Tuesday afternoon. And in 48 hours or so, give or take, your son may be there on death row, his life about to end. In these final 48 hours, how do you exist? Do you sleep? Do you rest?

[Linda Wood]

No, no, I don't sleep. I am mentally, emotionally and physically drained. I'm drained. I'm so tired, but I can't sleep. It's hard for me to eat. It's just, it's torturous. It's torturous.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yeah, I, I'll definitely agree with grandma on that one. It's. It's definitely, it's hard to sleep. It's definitely hard. It's hard to eat, to have an appetite when you're sitting there thinking that the person that you love the most and you care about the most is going to be gone in under 48 hours if this doesn't go the right way.

[TJ Holmes]

Brooklyn, why, why do you. There is niece and you, you, you just mentioned him as the most important person and the closest person in your life. For folks who aren't aware of that, you as his 17 year old niece speaking on it. Why is he that you.

[Brooklyn Wood]

My uncle has made an amazing impact in my life. He's helped me through multiple mental health crisis that I've had within myself and just multiple. I used to get bullied all the time in school and he's always helped me through that and taught me that my worth isn't measured by what other people say about me. It's measured by what I think about myself and what I see inside myself. And just because people put in bad and you, you have to put good out in the world just to receive it back. Just because you're not getting it in doesn't mean that you're never going to get it.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Brooklyn, you have only known your uncle at 17 as a man behind bars, a convicted murderer on death row. And a lot of people would look at your uncle's story, his name, and think they know and may think he's a monster, may think he's evil, may think all sorts of things. How would you describe the uncle?

[Brooklyn Wood]

You know, I would describe my uncle as a loving, caring person. He. He pretty much puts you before he'll put himself. He'll. He'll give you what he has off his back like the last shirt he has off his back and give it to you because you needed it more than he needed it in that moment. He's such a giving person and he'll put anybody before he puts himself just to make sure they're okay or they feel right or they're, they're mentally okay or they're doing good out in the world. He will always put somebody before him.

[TJ Holmes]

Have you and Andriana the other How Old are you? Tell me. 23, right?

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

This is your uncle as well. Now tell me, what year were you born?

[Brooklyn Wood]

2002.

[TJ Holmes]

That was the year this crime took place, is it not?

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yep. I was born a few months after.

[TJ Holmes]

It's wild that that's the case, but how do you explain to people, explain to us how you go about having a relationship, much less a loving and supportive one, with an uncle that you have never gotten a chance to spend time with outside of a prison.

[Brooklyn Wood]

I mean, it was mostly just through telephone calls and visits. I mean, I'd been going to visit him since he'd been in like the actual county jail before he, before the trial, before everything, I was, she was taking me as a baby to go visit. And so I've, I always knew about him and I always got, I always got to talk to him growing up, on calls and everything like that, visits. And he just, he's never been a bad person in my eyes, ever. And I mean, even when I got old enough, I, I knew, you know, of course I knew that he was in prison, but I didn't, I didn't really know what for until I was in middle school. And that's when I really started doing research on the case. And, and I really saw how, how badly everything was handled. And I was like, my uncle doesn't deserve to be here. But it's, it's been very easy to have a good relationship with him. I love my uncle.

[TJ Holmes]

To Linda, tell me why, why was that important? She was a baby. She was itty bitty. Why was it important her to still be visiting her uncle?

[Linda Wood]

I've had Andreana since she was one day old. I brought her home from the hospital and I raised her. It's, it's funny you should ask that, you know, when, before Andreana was born and before this crime was committed. And I feel like I have a good personal relationship with God, but I, I felt like God talked to me and said, you know, there's a baby that will need you and you will need this baby. And people were like, no, you're crazy. You know, you didn't had all the kids you're having. And I said, I'm telling you, God told me that. And when she was born, well, while her mom was still pregnant, she decided she didn't want her. She was going to give her to my son, and my son gave her to me. And Andreana became the reason for me being able to make it through the trial. And this, the, the whole horror of them being con. Accused of A murder. This is before they were convicted. And so when they were in the county jail, I would go twice a week. I would. Because they wouldn't let me see Jake and Tremaine on the same day. I would take Andriana. She grew up the first three or four years of her life, going twice a week to the Oklahoma County Jail. And I thought it was important because she needed to know them and they needed to know her. This was their niece. And almost everybody, given the severity of the crime at hand, had cut Jake off from seeing his kids. Tremaine wasn't allowed to see his kids, and they needed. They needed some hope. I just felt like Andriana was. Was hope, you know, it was just hope that. That we would make it through this. And. But by the grace of God, we have this far. But I thought it was important because every kid has a right to know who their family is.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Linda, you mentioned Jake, your other son. You are mom to three sons, and. But I cannot imagine as a mother. Tremaine and Jake both tried and convicted of murder. And there was a headline I read that said one brother confessed to murder and got life without parole. Tremaine Wood got death.

[Linda Wood]

Yes.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

I don't even know if you can put into words what that is like to live with, what that was like to experience.

[Linda Wood]

I tell you, you know, when. When you make choices in your life, you know, your choice is your consequences, whether the consequences are good or bad. But when your life is forever changed and you don't get a choice, it makes it hard, it makes it difficult, and it's very hurtful. My son Andre and I didn't get a choice in this. You know, nobody said, hey, are you okay if we go out and somebody gets murdered tonight and we go to jail? Are you okay if we get the death penalty? Are you okay if I commit suicide? Are you okay if the state executes me? We didn't get a choice in any of that. And so those choices were made for us. And it's been really, really difficult when you lose not one son, but two sons to the system. And then the system is so bad, especially for people who have mental health issues like Jake had. Jake had serious, serious mental health issues. And it just got to the point he was one of the strongest individuals I thought that I ever knew. You know, he could do time standing on his head, but.

[Brooklyn Wood]

He.

[Linda Wood]

When I got the call in the middle of the night that he had committed suicide, it was devastating to lose one child. And now at the thought that within 48 hours, I could lose a second child. You know, one third of my heart is already gone. If Tremaine dies, that's two thirds. And it's hard to live with one third of a heart.

[TJ Holmes]

That's maybe all of you right now, what your last, I guess, most recent interaction with Tremaine was what more interaction you expect to have between now and the next 48 hours and all of you all's kind of assessment. How do you all think he's doing?

[Linda Wood]

My biggest fear has always been that if they executed Tremaine, he would be there scared and alone. Now Tremaine tells me he's not scared to die. I don't know if I believe that. I. I don't know that he's scared to die, but I feel like he's scared of the fallout afterwards for the rest of us that are left here without him. Our last interaction before we saw him on camera or on the TV screen at the clemency hearing, we had went the weekend before that and saw and visited him. They gave us one hour and.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Well, I think we got an hour and 30 actually.

[Linda Wood]

No, we only stayed an hour because we had to go to the rally.

[Brooklyn Wood]

But.

[Linda Wood]

You know, we, we never talked about him dying over this whole 21 years. He just didn't. We didn't talk about me dying, we didn't talk about him dying. And we probably should have had those hard conversations a long time before we had them and we only had them when his number finally came up and we were forced to have to have them because as the person responsible, as his next of kin, you know, I have to know. What do you want me to do? What are your final wishes? Just tell me so I can do it. And it's, it's real difficult. And we all get to go see him tomorrow as a family. For what if they execute him, will be the final visit that we have. And I don't know how I feel about that. I. I know that I can't ever tell him goodbye. I cannot leave that visit and tell him goodbye in case he dies. I just can't.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wally, a double board certified physician.

[TJ Holmes]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Talking about health in a different way.

[TJ Holmes]

It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

What our health says about us and.

[Linda Wood]

The way we're living.

[TJ Holmes]

Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

I mean 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[TJ Holmes]

How preventable is type 2?

[Brooklyn Wood]

Extremely.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

You don't know.

[Brooklyn Wood]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Brooklyn Wood]

All I know is what I've been.

[Linda Wood]

Told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Linda Wood]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[TJ Holmes]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.

[Linda Wood]

Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[TJ Holmes]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.

[Linda Wood]

That y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on horror.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

From lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[TJ Holmes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

May 24, 1990 A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car.

[Brooklyn Wood]

I knew it was a bomb the.

[Linda Wood]

Second that it came. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Than anything that I could describe.

[TJ Holmes]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why she received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing. The men and women who were hurt had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees and they were were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Attempt to sabotage our movement.

[TJ Holmes]

Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now.

[Linda Wood]

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

Or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[Linda Wood]

How can a and one year old woman fall in love again?

[TJ Holmes]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at.

[Linda Wood]

Him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

[TJ Holmes]

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming.

[Brooklyn Wood]

All the time, Being more able to.

[TJ Holmes]

Look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejun. And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things. Food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[Brooklyn Wood]

No way.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Bring back the ostracon. And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[TJ Holmes]

Pretty much every entry into this side.

[Linda Wood]

Of the planet was through the El golf of Mexico.

[TJ Holmes]

El golfo de Mexico.

[Linda Wood]

Continuadaciendo a si. Forever and ever.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico.

[Linda Wood]

Was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Rights, they had education rights. Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network. Available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brooklyn, do you know what you're gonna say to your uncle? What you're not gonna say to your uncle?

[Brooklyn Wood]

I don't really know because it's crazy to think that it's his last visit before he could potentially be executed. Like what? What do you say? Like, like there, like, I. I don't Even know what I would say, actually. But one thing I do know I don't want to say is bye to my uncle. I don't want to sit there and have to tell my uncle bye and think that's the last memory I'm ever gonna have of him seeing him.

[Linda Wood]

Just sit.

[TJ Holmes]

Andreana, what about you? And also, how long. Andreana, do you all know you all are going to get? And how big of a group are you all taking?

[Linda Wood]

It's eight people, and two people get two hours. Then we switch out with the next two, and then the next two until everybody's gotten to see him for two hours.

[TJ Holmes]

And Adriana, what about you? How do you also, same question. How do you think your uncle is doing right now?

[Brooklyn Wood]

I mean, he. I will say throughout all of this recently, you know, you can. This is like aged him a lot, you know, and he still. He still stays positive. You know, he. Whenever we get to. Whenever he gets to call us for the little 15 minute call we get, he. He always tells us to keep our head up and keep the faith and keep fighting because it's not over till it's over. But, I mean, it's hard to think that this is. This might be the last visit we get. I mean, I. I didn't get to hug my uncle until I was 20. I'm 23 now. And when was our last.

[Linda Wood]

June was our last.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Was our last contact visit.

[Linda Wood]

What?

[Brooklyn Wood]

And I hate that that was the last hug that I got to give my uncle because now we just get to see him through the glass like it started out with.

[Linda Wood]

I think it was going to be the last one. We'd have probably hugged him a little bit tighter and held him a little bit longer. Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, wait. I'm gonna make sure I got that right. So when you all do this, let's plan. Plan. Visit is going to be through.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yeah, through. Yeah.

[Linda Wood]

A piece of it won't be a contact.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yeah, we won't get to touch.

[TJ Holmes]

And I'm making sure I understood you right there. Linda. Is that the last time you had a contact visit, you didn't know the execution was coming up?

[Linda Wood]

No, we knew the ex. We didn't have a date at that time. But we didn't know that all of this stuff that's been going on, we didn't know they were going to snatch him up and throw him back down H unit and isolate him and take everything from him. No, we didn't know that. Had we known, we probably, like I said, would have hugged him a little longer, held him a little tighter.

[TJ Holmes]

Forgive me, I didn't know this, but you all have given and you didn't know it. You possibly have given your loved one his last hug. You just didn't know it was going to be the last. I'm sorry, I did not realize.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Yeah, I didn't know that there was a specific amount of contact visits you could or couldn't have. How does that work? How often have you been able to hold or touch your son, Linda, over the years?

[Linda Wood]

You know, he was in, he was on H unit behind glass, and we didn't get to have contact visits for 16 of the 21 years. And then when the ACLU got involved and said these living conditions are, are not it. And so then the prison, I guess, to avoid any problems with the aclu, decided to move death row inmates to A unit and decided to let them have contact visits. So for more years than not, I didn't get to hug my son. And then the first time, it was amazing. It had been the first time in probably 18 years because he spent two years in the county jail where we couldn't have contact visits either. So the first time in 18 years that I had got to hug my son. And it was a.

[Brooklyn Wood]

It.

[Linda Wood]

I can't even describe how it felt. I cried. And now to know that he could possibly die, you know, death is forever and we not get to hug him, that the next time I may get to hug my sons in a body bag is very, very heart wrenching to me.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Linda, do you all have plans if this does go through, to be there when he is executed?

[Linda Wood]

No, I.

[Brooklyn Wood]

We will be here as a family.

[Linda Wood]

Tremaine had to decide who wanted to be there. First of all, he didn't want any of us to be there. I told Tremaine it was his choice because he asked me about a couple of people that he was going to put on the list. When it's 35 days before the execution, they fill out what's called an execution packet and they have that out on his birthday. Yeah, 35 days was on his birthday. And, you know, he had to put down the peoples who, the people who would witness his execution, you know, who he wants to be in charge of where his body goes. He has to put down what he wants for his last meal and who pick up his property, all that kind of stuff.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Well, on his birthday.

[Brooklyn Wood]

On his birthday. On his birthday, yeah.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And so who will be there in the room?

[Linda Wood]

Well, the only person that'll be in the actual execution chamber with him. Should he be executed? Would be his spiritual advisor. And whoever's administering the drugs, the other people sit outside. There's a glass window that's open and people sit there and witness it. I think the state gets so many witnesses and Tremaine is allowed, I think five witnesses. I'm not sure. Five or six or something like that. I told him that I would respect whoever he wanted there just know it couldn't be me. I don't know that I can even be conscious when 10 o' clock Thursday comes.

[TJ Holmes]

Did he specifically ask, though, that you. That certain people not be there?

[Linda Wood]

Yes.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yeah.

[Linda Wood]

He didn't want any of us to be, especially me. You know, he. Tremaine, is worried, as are all of us, that, you know, if you've never lost a child, it is the most heart wrenching thing and you never recover from it. You learn how to deal with it, but you never recover. When my son Jake died, that was just something spontaneous. It's not something that was planned out like this. This has been the most torturous thing, Counting days till, you know, your son could die. It's just mentally torturous for all of us. So I can only imagine what it is for him.

[TJ Holmes]

Belinda, it. Was it a good day in the midst of all the torture to hear the clemency board at least recommend clemency for him? Was that a. Was that a good day?

[Linda Wood]

It was a wonderful day. It was a miracle that my son was far overdue for. For 21 years. We. They gave a break before they decided to vote and we all went outside. I could not go back in because I could not stand to hear one more shred of bad news for my son. So all of the rest of my family went back in there and I said, I'm gonna stay out here because I can't. If they deny him clemency, I. They'll have to take me out of here on a stretcher.

[Brooklyn Wood]

And after, after I. At least after I heard that third yes and the room kind of, you know, us at least, we kind of just gassed. And some people started clapping. They told us to quiet down. Yeah, they were upset. And then me and my uncle Tremaine's girlfriend jumped up and sprinted out of the. Out of the building. And I straight. Ran straight to her car, said. They said yes. And then I broke down in the parking lot like it was I work. I broke down in there.

[Linda Wood]

It was a great day. It was. It was the. What we had been waiting for, that the person they had painted him to be through the attorney general's office. It. They finally saw through all that and, and saw that this guy got a raw deal. You know, he didn't, he wasn't adequately represented. He. None of that. So, yeah, it was a good.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Your reaction. So you have Andriana running out.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Telling you they said yes. Can you tell me what you did, what you thought, what you felt? I mean, I can't imagine the rush of emotions.

[Linda Wood]

I felt like for the first time in 21 years, I could breathe if just for that moment. And it was just for that moment because it, you know, there was a lot of work to be done after that to convince the governor to stay his execution, to commute his sentence.

[TJ Holmes]

Linda, how's it go? How has it gone on that front? What do you think your chances are now that the governor will decide in your favor?

[Linda Wood]

I can say that I, I hope that, you know, this is his last year as governor. And all I can say is that I hope that as a last act of human compassion for a man who didn't kill anyone, for a man who sat in that clemency hearing and admitted, I'm a broken person, I've made mistakes, I'm broken. You know, if I could give this mother her child back, I would. If I could have been strong enough to stop my brother that night, I would. But I can't go back.

[Brooklyn Wood]

It.

[Linda Wood]

I just, I. I just pray that as the last act of. Of human compassion for someone, that he will, he will do the right thing and stand up and grant my son clemency.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And Linda, much has been made about this law in the state of Oklahoma that if you're a part of. Of an act, a criminal act that results in the death of someone, you are just as culpable as the person who either pulled the trigger or actually wielded that weapon that ended that person's life. Feelings about that law?

[Linda Wood]

Well, I. First of all, I think it's the stupidest law that was ever written in the history of the world. I mean, if there are 10 of us sitting here and we've all got a gun and we all start shooting, only one of ours, bullets can kill somebody. So are we all culpable by being at the scene? Probably, yes. But if I didn't kill this person, then I don't deserve to die.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Do you think your son deserves to be behind bars for the rest of his life?

[Linda Wood]

No, I think my son, he was the least culpable of everybody that participated in this crime. And I don't just say that because he was my son, because Jake, who did the actual killing, was my son, too. I think Tremaine was with the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time. And I know he has shown great remorse, great sadness, and has just about lost his mind over it at certain times in the last 21 years. You know, I have always said that my heart go as a mother, my heart goes out to Ronnie Wilf's mother, because I know that pain of losing a child, whether you lose them to murder or suicide or car wreck or whatever it is, it doesn't make it any easier. And I just feel like he is so remorseful. And, you know, I'm also hopeful that the governor will take into consideration that the victim's family and the living victim, they do not want to remain executed.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Have you been able to speak to the with family at all over these past decades, few decades?

[Linda Wood]

I, I haven't. And I, you know, we have, we have tread real lightly as a family because there was so many improprieties in Tremaine's case. You know, ineffective counsel and prosecutorial misconduct, just a lot of things. So we've had to tread lightly on what we could say and what we could do, who we could speak, because we didn't want to take the chance of messing up any chance that he had for any type of relief. It hasn't been only in the last probably month that we have really, as a family, gotten to speak out about all of this because he had so many things still pending in different courts and things like that. I, I don't know. I, I don't even know what words I could say to Barbara Whiff to, to even, to make it easier, because I know when my son died, there was nothing anyone could say that, that made it less painful. This situation with Tremaine. People tell me all the time, you know, I am so sorry. I, I, I feel bad for you, you know, but those words and, and I know people truly mean it, but it doesn't make it any easier. So I don't think there's anything I could say to her, but if there was anything, is that my heart has always gone out to her, and I am so sorry for the loss of her son.

[TJ Holmes]

Have you an opportunity to speak to the governor or anybody from his office?

[Linda Wood]

No, not, not us as a family. Tremaine's attorneys have. We haven't gotten to speak to the governor. I wish I could speak to the governor because what I would say is, if this was your son or your father, your brother, your uncle, would you want someone to show them mercy and grace, or would you be so quick to execute them? So, yeah, what have.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

What have Tremaine's lawyers told you? Have they given you any reason to feel hope? Have they cautioned you not to get your hopes up?

[Linda Wood]

I haven't really talked to Amanda since they saw the governor yesterday. I know she's very busy filing stuff and doing this and doing that and. And, you know, on Tremaine's behalf, and it's a really busy time for all of us, so I haven't really spoken to her. I don't know. Have y' all spoken to.

[Brooklyn Wood]

We heard from uncle yesterday. He called us last night and he said that they had called him and told him that the meeting was. That went really well.

[TJ Holmes]

That sounded good, right? If the meeting went well, is that a good thing?

[Brooklyn Wood]

Right?

[TJ Holmes]

That sounds good.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. But we don't know what that means. Exactly. It went well.

[Linda Wood]

Absolutely. You don't know what that means.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

It's pretty remarkable, even hearing you say that. I can. We can still. We're looking at your faces and we can still see your reservations, your unwillingness.

[Linda Wood]

Excited.

[TJ Holmes]

I only got two more things here. I'll start with, actually, because what's going on? When we first started this interview, I'm not sure what happened, but there was something between all of us and you. All. The three of you all laughed about something. And my. I was like, wow, I didn't expect laughter this entire interview. My question is, have you found little moments to be happy or to crack a joke?

[Brooklyn Wood]

I feel like. And not like, with anything like, going on with the case. I don't feel like we crack jokes with anything with that, but we do try to find, like, little things, like, in the day that do kind of try to. We do joke with Uncle. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, we joke with our uncle a lot. We try to joke with our dad as well, much as possible, just to try to keep him in good spirits because he. He does hide his emotions. We even. We even joke with Mama also.

[Linda Wood]

We.

[Brooklyn Wood]

We try to. We, me and Andrana, do try to keep the mood very light when it comes.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Just.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Mama, don't make that.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

You know, I'm for a. Linda, I want to ask you, Your son was 22 years old when this crime was committed. He's now 46 years old. How have you seen him change over these past 20 plus years? How has his life experience changed him, prison changed him and perhaps even his faith?

[Linda Wood]

You know, before Jake died in 2019, Tremaine was, I would probably say, still always In Jake's shadow as Jake's little brother. It wasn't until Jake died that Tremaine came into his own and realized a lot of things that I think he had been allowing his brother to block his way of thinking. He had to come into his own and, and realize, man, I had the, the ability. And it bothers him every day that he says, I, if I had just been strong enough to tell my brother, no, none of this would have happened. But I wasn't. And, you know, I mean, he was a kid, he was barely an adult when all this happened. And, you know, I, I don't think as, as we grow up and we grow older and some of us, we never, never learned, but I, I think we don't think about long term consequences. Like now, when you get my age, you think about long term consequences because long term becomes short term, you know.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And.

[Linda Wood]

I just, I've seen Tremaine become a remarkable man. He's always thinking of other people. He told me the last time I saw him, he said, mom, I just want to say that whether I live or whether I die, I just want this, everything I've been through to precipitate a change for the other inmates who they'll try to execute after me. He said, I just want there to be a change in this broken system. And so even in the final moments when he's death is knocking at his door, possibly he's still thinking about, I want my life to make a difference in, in people that still have to come where I'm at now. And I'm very proud of him as, as his mother. I'm proud for him to be my son. He's amazing.

[TJ Holmes]

Wow.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And to jump on that point, you know, there are. Obviously the death penalty is a controversial issue in this country, and people have very strong feelings on both sides of the fence. I would love to have each of you talk about the value of Tremaine's life and what he can give back to this world, to your family, if he's allowed to live.

[Linda Wood]

Tremaine is amazing. I think that what a waste it would be for everyone in his world, the people that know and love him. What a waste it would be for him to die. He is always trying to give back. And that's the, that's, that's the side of him that people don't know. They don't know the part of, you know, him that while in prison, inmates that had no shoes, he would take shoes off of his own feet and give them to somebody that didn't have any or couldn't. Didn't have money on their books to buy some. Before he got sent back over to H Unit, he would cook meals and feed hungry inmates who had no commissary. You know, that's the kind of man he is. And despite what he has been going through for the last two decades, he still finds time to encourage these kids, to encourage my two great grandkids that I'm raising to just be an inspiration to everybody and try to mentor to young people, that this is not what you want to do. This is not how you want to end up. You don't. You know, I have a little great grandson in here who's nine, who's been going through some things. And every. When I took my great grandkids to see him and he. He talked to him, he said. He said, you don't want to end up in here. You don't. This is not what you want. You know, you need to stay in school and do good and, you know, straighten up your attitude. And it's just. That's why I say this just cannot be the end of Tremaine's story. He has so much left that he wants to give to the world and the people that are in the world around him.

[Brooklyn Wood]

So, yeah, like. Like Grandma said, he's. He's definitely a mentor, an inspiration for us. He. He's definitely guided us through a lot of things, whether that be, like, school, like, arguments with people. Like, he wants to get both sides. He doesn't want to hear just one side and say, oh, well, Brooklyn, you're in the wrong because of this, this, and this. No, he wants to know both sides. And then he'll give you his honest, unbiased opinion on it. And just for giving his situation, you wouldn't see, you wouldn't feel somebody would have such a positive attitude and such a positive outlook on how you should be in life and just try to be such, like, a positive influence on people. Like, stay. Stay in school. Like, don't. Don't argue with your parents all the time. Like, make sure you clean your room up. Make sure your grades are good because you have. He. He will always tell you that you have the. You have the possibility to make a change, so do it. And you can't do it if you're falling behind, if you're slacking, if you're getting in trouble all the time. You can't do that. So my uncle is definitely just a. A big part of my life, a big person that keeps me going and Just like, keeps me up in the morning and keeps me. Keeps from, I don't know, going insane practically.

[Linda Wood]

And he has. He has. Both of his kids were grown before he got to see them. They were three and ten months old when. When he went to prison. And so by the time he got to. To have a relationship with his two boys, they were grown. And I made sure that Brendan got to go see him. I took him to the prison to see him several times. And, you know, I'm not real close. Of course, this has brought us closer. I wasn't really close to those two of my grandchildren because growing up, they weren't allowed to be around us, their families. You know, they punished all of us for what Tremaine did and what Jake did, and. But I didn't care about that. I just wanted him to be able to have a relationship. And now he does. He has a great relationship with both of his kids, and he is just so positive with them and encourages his son. He has a son in the military, and he just encourages him and his other son, who's. Who lives here in Oklahoma City, he encourages him to be the best you can be. And even then he goes, mom, maybe me coming to prison was a good thing because it stopped this cycle of criminal activity, of violence, of, you know, all of this. It stopped because my kids now have it. You know, they've done good. And, you know, he's just. He's just an amazing, amazing, amazing guy. He is.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Well, we are thinking of all of you, your family. We know how. Well, we don't know. We can only imagine how difficult these next few hours will be for you all. But everyone will be waiting to see what Governor Stitt decides. And we are thinking of you, and we are hoping for the best for your family, and we appreciate you opening up and being vulnerable and talking about something so incredibly painful. But I know that the hope is that there will be changes in the system. And certainly we know that you hope your loved one that Tremaine will be able to continue this beautiful relationship he has with all of you. So thank you.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Thank you so much for having us. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. This is.

[Linda Wood]

If there's one thing I could end this on, it would be our family, his legal team, they've all been amazing, and we are all stronger than the storm we are going through.

[Brooklyn Wood]

And there is one thing out, one more thing I would like to put out there just for everyone to know. They have currently moved my uncle to Death Watch and that's. They put him in a cell that's right next to the execution. The execution chamber. Chamber. And, and he's under. He. They took. They've taken everything from him except a book and his tablet. To be able to call us.

[Linda Wood]

To call you.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Well, me. They've blocked everybody else's number but mine. And he's under 24 hour surveillance. I mean, he. He doesn't get good meals, I'll tell you that right now. We've seen that firsthand in visits with what they, what they are feeding him. And it's not.

[TJ Holmes]

It's. Why are you the only one that's getting. That's not blocked? He's only calling you.

[Brooklyn Wood]

We have no idea. It.

[Linda Wood]

It just, you know, one of the rules for once they're moved to death Watch, which is seven days prior to the execution date, is that they are. The. The inmate is supposed to have unlimited access to the phone to stay in touch with immediate family. Yet right after the clemency hearing, everybody's numbers blocked. They won't let us talk to him. And that is very, very torturous because as his mother, you'd think I'd be the last person they would block.

[Brooklyn Wood]

But I, you know, I'm. I'm at the point because I'm the only person he can call and I'm having to, you know, drive around and come. Come here, you know, go to. Go to Edmond just so we can get a chance to talk to him.

[TJ Holmes]

That seems like that should have been corrected. That's like that was a mistake that should have or could have been corrected. Right.

[Linda Wood]

Bernie's attempted to try to, but they.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Say the prisons say it's above them. Yeah, they keep saying that it's above their ward in like the big. Their highest person there. It's above her.

[Linda Wood]

Above their pay grade.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Yeah. Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, no, thank you for. Actually, that's a good nugget and look a good detail to know. Thank you for that. And I again, for, for. I want you all to know if you all get a chance, if you all listen to podcasts, go back and listen to our. On Amy T. We did a full podcast on this case and following this story, before we ever decided we wanted to reach out, we watched that entire live stream of that clemency hearing, every second of it. So we have been. We just want you to know where we're coming from. This is a story and a lot of frankly, executions we've been following this year because the country has been executing folks left and right. But it was a case we were interested in, passionate about and quite frankly, we can say out loud we're on your side about on this one in a lot of ways. So really, we wish you all the best with what you're going through, and hopefully we talk to you again in better circumstances.

[Linda Wood]

We appreciate it.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Thank you so much.

[TJ Holmes]

Thank you.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Thank you, guys.

[Brooklyn Wood]

Thank you.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

And as of this recording, Tremaine Wood is set to be executed by lethal injection. It's set to take place in the state of Oklahoma at 10am local time, 11am Eastern time here. And again, the governor, Governor Kevin Stitt has until that 10am deadline to intervene if he so chooses. But it should be noted, during his tenure as governor, the Pardons and Parole Board Board has recommended clemency in four cases. He has only granted it in one case, and that was back in 2021. And since he took office as governor in 2019, 16 people have been executed in that state. So this is certainly a familiar situation that his office says he takes very seriously.

[TJ Holmes]

But we wait. I learned so much from these ladies about the process. Many of these cases we covered, I didn't, I didn't know. And I think that was the most gut wrenching part, that the last hug they gave him, they didn't realize it was going to be the last. They will get to see him one more time, but through a glass. This is just. Again, we follow these cases. We always say robes ever. Any little bitty question of any kind, let's err on the side of not killing somebody because you can't correct that mistake. This is certainly one of those that rises to the level of something not quite right. So no rush. And also, we should note the family of the victims don't, don't want the execution to go forward. So I always say, I will, I will be on board with any law if they say, we'll let the victim's.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

Family decide, you know, and we have covered so many of these cases at this point that it is something that. Yes, I mean, there's a lot of things we'd love to change about our legal system, but certainly that's one of the glaring issues. If the family of the victims do not want the convicted killer of their loved one to be executed, that should be the final say. Period. Period.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time with us. This is one we're keeping a close eye on. As always. Top right corner of your Apple podcast app, where are you? Show page. It says follow there. You can click that. This one will have updates. We don't want you to have to go hunting for some of these updates we do have. This is one we're going to stay on top of. So by all means, click that and keep hanging with us. We always appreciate you folks. For Hemi Rock, I'm TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you all real soon on the podcast Health Stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

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[TJ Holmes]

And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Brooklyn Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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Extremely.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[Brooklyn Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

Can we get Thanksgiving first?

[Linda Wood]

I'm hungry.

[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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All?

[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Dr. Priyanka Wali]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Linda Wood]

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