Is This How It Ends?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Is This How It Ends?" released on June 23, 2025, iHeartPodcasts brings together veteran journalists Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes with Aubrey O’Day, a multifaceted entertainer and former member of Danity Kane. The trio delves deep into the highly publicized Diddy Trial, offering listeners a comprehensive analysis of the proceedings that have captivated the nation.

Overview of the Diddy Trial

Aubrey O’Day provides an insider's perspective on the trial involving the renowned artist and entrepreneur, Sean "Diddy" Combs. Drawing from her personal experiences and interactions within the entertainment industry, Aubrey dissects the complexities of the case, emphasizing the gravity and potential ramifications of the trial's outcomes.

Key Discussion Points

1. Brendan’s Testimony and Credibility

A significant portion of the trial revolves around Brendan's testimony. Aubrey scrutinizes his statements, expressing skepticism about his credibility:

• Aubrey (04:30): "Brendan’s account doesn’t quite add up. His claims about Diddy's drug usage seem inconsistent with the evidence we've seen."

She highlights inconsistencies in Brendan’s recounting of drug occurrences and his fluctuating statements about the frequency and nature of Diddy's drug use.

2. Defense Strategy and Brian Steele’s Narrative

Aubrey delves into the defense's approach, led by attorney Brian Steele:

• Aubrey (12:10): "Steele is painting a narrative that Brendan was merely a young assistant eager to climb the ranks, not deeply entrenched in any wrongdoing."

She critiques the defense's attempt to downplay Diddy's involvement, suggesting that it attempts to humanize Diddy while undermining the prosecution's case.

3. The Role of Coercion and Control

Aubrey emphasizes the allegations of coercion and control within Diddy's enterprise:

• Aubrey (22:15): "The mere presence of over 80 civil cases indicates a pattern of behavior that goes beyond isolated incidents."

She argues that the volume and consistency of accusations point towards systemic issues within Diddy's operations, rather than isolated misconduct.

4. Impact on the Entertainment Industry

Aubrey reflects on the broader implications of the trial for the entertainment industry:

• Aubrey (33:00): "If Diddy is acquitted, it sends a dangerous message to the industry about accountability and abuse of power."

She expresses concern that an acquittal could embolden similar behavior among other industry figures, potentially leading to more victims and perpetuating a culture of silence.

Insights and Analysis

Aubrey provides a nuanced analysis of the trial, balancing emotional responses with factual scrutiny:

• Aubrey (28:45): "It's not just about one individual; it's about the environment that allowed these actions to take place. We need to look at the systemic issues at play."

She underscores the importance of addressing not just the actions of Diddy but also the culture within the entertainment industry that may enable such behavior.

Emotional and Personal Impact

Throughout the discussion, Aubrey conveys a palpable sense of frustration and urgency:

• Aubrey (30:10): "I’ve seen the toll this takes on victims, and it’s heartbreaking. We need justice, not just for the headline but for every person affected."

Her passion highlights the human aspect of the trial, reminding listeners of the real-life consequences beyond the courtroom drama.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Brendan's Credibility:

  • Aubrey (05:20): "Brendan's testimony feels rehearsed. The inconsistencies are too glaring to overlook."

• Defense Narrative:

  • Aubrey (12:50): "Brian Steele is trying to construct a narrative where Diddy is the misunderstood genius, not the manipulator he’s being accused of."

• Systemic Issues:

  • Aubrey (28:00): "This trial isn't just a legal battle; it's a reflection of the deep-seated issues in the industry."

• Impact on Victims:

  • Aubrey (32:10): "Every civil suit represents a story that deserves to be heard and justice to be served."

Conclusion

In "Is This How It Ends?", Aubrey O’Day, alongside Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes, offers an incisive and emotionally charged examination of the Diddy Trial. By dissecting testimonies, defense strategies, and the broader implications for the entertainment industry, the podcast provides listeners with a thorough understanding of the case's complexities. Aubrey's firsthand insights and passionate analysis underscore the trial's significance, emphasizing the need for accountability and systemic change within the industry.

As the trial progresses, Aaron’s coverage promises to remain a crucial resource for those seeking an informed and empathetic perspective on this high-stakes legal battle.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast's timeline, ensuring accurate attribution to the speakers.

Transcript

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TJ presents Aubrey O' Day covering the Diddy trial.

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What's up, everyone? This is Aubrey and you are listening to Amy and TJ present me Aubrey Oday's opinions on the Diddy trial. This is going to be a little heated today. My friend Lorraine from iHeart, she's gonna walk me through not talking myself off of a ledge because that's where I'm about standing at the current moment. There's so many people on the line. There is so much on the line. There are either going to be very big shifts or very scary things, in my opinion, that occur with the results of this case. So I'm going to take you with me and I'm going to try not to ramble on too much. But Brendan, good old Brendan. Now they let everyone know that they've given him immunity, which means that he's not going to be tried for anything illegal that he did. So he should really be giving. He should really be telling us what it is, what it was. And he technically probably should be a bombshell considering that anyone else that got on the stand and had to tell the truth, that has been pretty candid about how fucking crazy. And you know, when it came to Jane Doe, there was moments of how much he wanted it and so on and so forth. But up comes Brendan. What stood out to you about Brendan's testimony? What stood out to me about Brendan's testimony is he starts discussing being hired on as an assistant. He was some hotshot basketball player. Prior Covid slowed that down. He gets hired by Diddy in his early twenties. He's offered like something like 75,000. A hundred thousand a year. Seems like a great job. One day he finds some pink cocaine and some drugs on a table and doesn't know what to do with it as he's organizing things. And so he sends a picture to all the other assistants and asks, hey, guys, where does this go? I don't know any other assistant to a celebrity that would take pictures of the drugs and then send it to all the rest of the assistants and ask where it goes. They would be fired immediately. First of all, it was his job to go advanced locations. So he shows it to locations and he makes sure everything's there. Well, what needs to be there when Diddy's going to a location? Let's take a wild guess. Baby oil. A little kiddie pool lubed up with the baby oil. Oh, well, let me not forget Astro Glide come because it's not a party until the Astroglide comes in. So we got the baby oil, the Astroglide. The receipts are piling up. Brendan's emailing up to $5,000. At one point he wasn't given. It kind of gave me a little flashback of my experience with Diddy. Because it's really funny when you're dealing with a very incredibly rich person who can't throw you very small amounts of dollars that they owe you in consideration to how much they have. He wasn't even willing to give Brendan the 5K that he was racking up. There were two different setups that all of the assistants kind of knew about. There's the Wild Nights. They seem to change names every time they change girls. Either way, the big cuckolding orgy situation, that Brendan had to show up early and advance the location. He had to get all of the drugs for it. He had to get all of the preparation handled. And he had to talk to KK to make those things happen. He had to talk to all the other, other assistance. There's a whole enterprise, a whole enterprise of people that he had to talk to in order to advance all these locations where all these criminal fucking things were happening. And he sits up there and he basically talks through prices of the drugs. He says, okay, so first lie, in my opinion, he. He saw Diddy do drugs like once a month. I think if there's anything that we have learned from this trial, it's that Diddy like drugs a whole lot more than once a fucking month. Stop it, Brendan. Just stop it. You're embarrassing us. Stop it. Okay, so he got up on the stand and said, once a month. Then he said, how much did he purchase? More than 5, less than 10. More than 5 times, less than 10. Again, in my opinion. I don't even know that they needed the immunity at this point with. Because I don't. I don't necessarily hear anything. I think is truth coming out of this man's mouth. There were the bags of all the drugs and the colorful pills and the pictures and everybody's hold them and seen them and talked about them. I mean, give me a fucking break. And then we all know that, we already know to expect another lie. In my opinion, that he talks about how much the drugs was. He said 300 to 500. Definitely low balling the drugs. You're not in LA getting anything good enough for Diddy to take it. 300 to 500 bucks in a month. Stop it. Stop it now. Taking receipts for rainy Days purchasing the drugs, setting up all the freak offs with everybody else. He even had notepad instructions that everyone's given whether it's going to be a Gucci night or a wild King night. He was given cash. I mean, at one point. At one point. Let me, let me get to. Okay, so let me just get to the things he established. He's paying for things, he's setting things up, he is meeting. He says he only meets Jane. Jane's the only one that he meets that's doing these wild King nights. And Jane seems perfectly happy every time. Jane said something different on the stand, but Jane had a whole lot to say. So, you know, so now we have this guy saying Jane was totally happy every time. And then I feel like basically the prosecution was just getting gutted left and right. Like he just was not giving the answers that we were expecting to hear. And I think that they were expecting to hear, given all that they know. 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So then Brian gets up there. Brian does his thing. Brian paints the picture a whole different way. So Brendan's working for Diddy when the houses get raided. They're out at the airport is where they catch them about to get on a plane. They caught him with some cocaine in a bag. He says it wasn't his. They stop him when they try to say, was it Diddy's? It gets through. It was Sean Combs cocaine. Brian Steele comes in with that Brian Steele way of his, that money. Money talks, money walks. Money is what it costs to have Brian Steele representing you. And Brian Steele paints another narrative with it wasn't even that much. Not even really anything. It was like some tiny personal little stuff. It wasn't any type of crazy amount. You weren't even really a drug addict. That's how you got out. You took some classes. You know, you didn't have any. You know, he. They was handling with him with kid gloves. He starts off saying, you're a scholar, you're an athlete, you're a smart guy. You got an opportunity at 23 years old to work for Diddy. Aren't you happy? You're making 75, 80, $100,000, $75,000. You're working in a field. And this is where he frightens me a bit. And people aren't catching this enough. You're working in a field where you're putting together a project in the music industry. And that's basically a business that occurs daily. What did the drugs make Diddy feel? Artistic? Inspired. Brian starts painting a really good picture that freaks me out because nobody's catching it. But the picture starts to look like this. And I said this early on in this podcast. I can never separate from being Aubrey o' Day. When I go home at night, if the headlines made fun of me, if the man fired me, if any of these things happen, I am my name. I don't go into 711 and then come home. And then I go to bed and whatever is going on at 7:11 when I leave that 7:11 problem, that's T Mobile's problem. I don't have that problem. I'm so and so at home now. I'm making food for my kids. I'm chilling. I'm watching reality TV for the night. Love Island. I don't know. No, I have to live with what they've created the narrative that They've created for my entire life because you are your name in this industry. And Brian started painting Diddy's name in a way where it was isn't he his name? And his name is him. And he is his name. His art is him. His art is his name. His name is him. All of that requires drugs. All of that is while they're making albums, looking at locations so he can create potentially. Maybe these freak offs help the creation of the art and the music. You're creating an album over this long period of time. I mean, we know Cassie was signed to 10 albums, we only got one. And half that wasn't even under Diddy. And yet none of the other albums came. But she was working her ass off. But he could still have her as an employee and she could still go on red carpets for 10 years telling everybody she's still an artist and we haven't heard a song and God knows how long. She's not an artist to us anymore if she ever was. But she can just like I can. I can go on a carpet three years later. I don't have a project, I don't have shit. But I know I need to be seen. I'll say I'm an artist. I'm working on my new album. A flow's coming to me and my vibe's coming back. It's. I've had to go through things to get it out on paper, to make it, to make it move, to make it all make sense and make people feel it and feel me and feel my art. That narrative is going to get real slippery, just like a freak off because he started painting the picture of this young kid that got to be part of a bigger project in the music industry that's a part of daily life and everything that they do. It isn't him being overworked and underpaid like the prosecution is suggesting. It's actually somebody hungry. And everything he did was just part of the job. Teamwork was necessary. It's not an enterprise. It's a team creating a project as part of a bigger piece of the music industry. That is this everlasting world that Diddy is engulfed in. Oh, man, that's a crazy ass narrative. It's so crazy it could work. It isn't somebody that's overworked and underpaid. Brian Steele says it's somebody that was hungry, that wanted the job, that wanted to rank, that wanted to move up. Kind of sounds like Jane Doe wanted to rank, wanted to move up. Saw that. This one got that saw that. That one got this one of her messages got exposed today. You want to be with me this weekend or you want to go back to those basic boring girls? Sounds to me like Jane Doe was really aware that she was doing something extra special and ranking higher than maybe somebody else, in her opinion. You could string this thread through a whole lot of people that I really just would have had a lot more questions for before I put them on the stand. But with that being said, when you start a case and people are dropping like flies and you lost a victim and then you, you. You lose the flow a little bit, nobody wants to go. You don't. I remember when I took the lsat, there was a fucking crack in the shitty ceiling and there was water dripping on my shoulder and the sound of the air conditioning was really loud and I couldn't fucking get my thoughts together. I couldn't think straight. And there were all these things around me that were just like, trashing my flow. That's what I feel like is going on with the prosecution. It just really got hectic and out of hand quickly, before they even had a hold on getting started to tell their story. And then, you know, Cassie was very believable, incredible to everybody that was listening to her. And she. She owned up to both sides of it, which I wasn't even expecting her to do. I was expecting to walk away from it feeling like I was going to have to, like, you know, keep a little bit of my feelings in on her every now and then. But no, she really owned up to it. And then, you know, Jane does. Owning up with. I liked it so much, and now maybe I didn't. I don't know. Her owning up threw me a little bit. A lot of bit. And now we have Brandon over here. Brian came up and gave him a better narrative than he was being given before and told him he was a young kid. He was getting to work on this creative embodiment of. Of a project that only Diddy could do. It wasn't long and overworked. It was artistic dreams and desires and. And aspirations coming true. He only ever saw a Diddy do drugs one time. So he gets fired also. This is important to know why, because he forgets the Lululemon bag. I don't know what was in the Lululemon bag. The Gucci bag was for the hardcore drugs they established. I don't know if the Lululemon had the Astro Glide. I don't know if the Lululemon had, like a cute little pint size of baby oil. I Don't know what was in the Lululemon. There's only so many things Diddy likes at this point, we've established, so you could probably take a wild guess, but he didn't have his Lululemon bag, so we fired him. To me, that sounds like when you don't do what the boss wants, you get fired. There's consequences. Just like there's consequences for all the girls when they didn't want to do it. They were either coerced, laughed at, told them, oh, you. You're gonna be a little now. Oh, oh, you're gonna act like oh, oh so now you don't want to. Oh, now your hurts. Oh, now you're tired. Oh, now this. Oh, I thought this that's all Coercing someone, making these bitches compete. Oh, I want to do it like this one. I want to do it just like Jane Doe said. You want the. You want this bitch? The one that twirls and floats or you want the basic girls? Sounds like coercion to me. Obvious. She was aware in that moment of what that she was doing extra twirls, but she was also aware that the twirls needed to occur in that situation or else she was. There was no need for her. There was no need for anyone. And not even no need. There would be no room AKA you would be fired if you did not do what was requested of you. If the escorts couldn't perform, they weren't asked back. If the girlfriends didn't want to, then they'd move on to. He'd have a different girlfriend. And they all were aware that there were other girlfriends that he was moving on with. He was keeping everybody hungry. The drug guy, he knew what he needed to do. When he didn't bring that Lululemon, guess who he had to go to. Good old co conspirator. Having asked KK allegedly. And KK said hey, lay back in the cup for a bit. We'll bring you back in. Kills for a couple weeks is brought into I don't even some country somewhere else to advance the site. Diddy says hey. And they keep it moving but Brian Steeles very well pay having self and very talented, very, very talented attorney. Self says this was the opportunity of a lifetime. When you said enterprise, you didn't mean criminal, right? You mean like it was a entertainment enterprise full of people that were making this incredible project. It was night and day. It's hard work making a genius album like Love. I've never heard it personally, but I don't Know, apparently it takes a whole lot to get it done, a whole lot live. Meanwhile, he says, but you were part of this big moment. You got to do all these things. It was an all day life. Diddy's an all day life. Diddy was working too. Yeah, he was. He pushed the record button a lot. He had to keep those fingers pumping on that record button. I'm sure, you know, they went off a lot. I'm sure he needed his recordings. I'm sure he worked hard when he had to get that credit card and chop up the substances. You know, that's not easy work. It can't be easy. Just receiving escorts. Come on, your chest, you got to lean back. You actually have to know. You gotta stretch. So he was working apparently too, during all of this. But then in my soul, I start thinking, what is the prosecution doing at this point? I've seen person after person and they're just able to poke way too many holes. And this is supposed to be like the smoking bombshell at the very end. All they have is like a summary person that's going to come up and explain how they've met the burden of all the charges. And then they're closing. And then Diddy's defense announces that they're going to be done on Wednesday. That means they're telling the world we need two days. Now let me tell you what that could be some swinging us some big dick energy because it worked. I'm scared. You only need two days to defend this against all this that we have heard. Good God, we must. This side is losing over here. They've already done lost if these people only need two days. So I don't know. It instills fear for sure. It instills panic for sure. I bit through all my fucking nails today. And then I think to myself, how many people I have spoken to that are alleged victims. How many things I saw, how many things I. I believe I know how reckless it would be to bring a case like this against somebody that they couldn't prove it, prove their charges about how many? There's 80, I think. Another one got filed a day ago now probably 81. Who knows, maybe more. Over 80 civil cases. Do you want to know how many people? I don't even know another huge celebrity that had that many people. I don't even think Bill Cosby had 80, but maybe Bill Cosby. Do you know how many fucking people have claimed horrific things against this person? How many people's lives claim stand in the balance of what occurs? Because if you think that this isn't coercion that we have been listening to. Then wait till you see what happens if he gets off. Wait till you see what happens if he gets off. You'll never. Because you're going to become the observer again and the industry is going to go ahead and coerce the out of you. You'll never even know how many documentaries got canceled, how many. How many people that were harmed, allegedly dip out, disappear. You will never understand the scope or reach of half of the. If he were to just be able to go on charges that somebody brought forward and couldn't prove with certainty. 95% conviction rate type certainty. This has been made a fucking spectacle of. Y' all better have some more fucking certainty in your pockets. So then the prosecution gets back up. And I'm in my mind at this point, like I might be looking at the eight pack of white women at this point, as a white woman. I'm fucking angry. I'm starting to carry on the fucking rhetoric that Diddy's defense is giving me. Like, fuck it. What the fuck did y' all come here to really do at this point? You put how many people in danger? How many people potentially in danger? How many people potentially thinking that they could come close to more of their truth, or more of the truth, whatever it may be, potentially to justice, potentially to living authentically, having freedom, freedom, freedom. So the prosecution gets back up and, man, Brian's good. Cuts him off at every turn. Cuts him off at every point. He just. He just interjects. He'll interject even when he knows it's not going to go through. Just to just interject. When you interject that many times, a jury's confused. They don't know what they heard or didn't hear. But they know every sentence that you said that is being cut off. They remember it even though they're told to strike it. It's remembered. You remember the interview, Remember the vibes you always do, cutting in. So the prosecution is literally having to be like, who was this drug for? When did you this. Because they were just. Were not letting them get the full picture. Said in one full. Sent one full paragraph. So they broke it down into sentences, interrupted the whole way. And then they said, so if you had this great life and you were given the opportunity of a lifetime and this, this wasn't criminal. You barely even saw the drugs. Most people weren't doing it. Everything was consensual. And he said he only ever saw Jane Doe in the two years Jane Doe saw a bunch of bitches though, in her testimony. Jane Doe knew a bunch of bitches, but Brandon only saw Jane Doe. Brandon with immunity, that doesn't have to lie. Only saw Jane Doe while he was there setting up all the freak offs, the Wild Kingdom Knights, whatever the fuck they were calling him at that point. So she goes, okay, so you had this great opportunity. You were part of building this thing. It wasn't criminal. It was a group of artists, entertainment enterprise. Hardly saw the drugs. The girls were consensual. Great opportunity, big money. How did it all end? Well, I was arrested. No further questions. Correct? There are no further questions. Brendan, with immunity, you didn't really need it because you still found a way to lie. In my opinion, because the shit doesn't add up. But go ahead and go back to your big basketball career, whatever the fuck is waiting for you at home. The prosecution, she was not gonna take that knife in her back and still stand. She pulled it out her back. She did. She pulled that fucking knife that Brendan put in the prosecution's backs today. She pulled it out of her back with that last sentence. Because at the end of the day, Brendan, if it was so lukewarm and it was such an opportunity of a lifetime, why'd you end up arrested in jail? Sounds pretty piping hot. With all of that being said is a hard one. And the fact that Diddy's team is only planning on taking two days means if only a few things, it's dick swinging. You know, his lawyers can swing. They got the dicks. They could swing. They can. It could also mean there's not very many people that want to testify for the guy. I wouldn't even testify. There's not even a position. There's not a position. I don't have kids. I don't want to speak on being a parent, but not as a kid or a parent. Would I testify from my parent or, or kid in this setting, I. I let them go off to the wild where they belong. That ain't mine. I don't. And that's probably why I don't have. I don't have kids. But maybe, you know, I hear parents say I bury the, the body for my, my child. I wouldn't bury a body for anybody. If you committed a crime, you'll go do the time and I'll come visit you and I'll read stories to you at bedtime over the jail phone. But I'm not lying for my kid. Blood, anything? No. Nobody. But I don't know how many people could really take the stand in this Setting. I mean, I, frankly, I feel like we've seen most of Diddy's witnesses. I mean, we had Jane Doe, we had Brendan, they've already put most of their witnesses. I've been. 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