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Hey there folks. It is late on Thursday, August 22, and we have just gotten word that parole has been denied for Eric Menendez. Welcome to this episode of Amy and tj an episode being recorded much later than anticipated because as I record this, it is past 10 o' clock on the East coast, it is past 8 o' clock on the West Coast. And for the past 10 hours the parole board hearing for Eric Menendez has been taking place that is a much longer duration than most were anticipating. Thought this might go three hours or so. It has been a long, long day. And we're just getting word before I started recording here, folks, that yes, Eric Menendez, all that momentum, all the publicity and a lot of people thought this was going to be it. But no, Eric Menendez is not going to be getting out of prison, at least through the parole system. Three, at least through that method for now because parole has been denied. The parole board says he can come back and is eligible to go before the parole board again in three years. But as of now, Eric Menendez is going to stay in prison. His brother Lyle up with his parole board hearing tomorrow. So what does this mean for him? Is it an automatic? Not necessarily. Just because his brother was denied, it doesn't mean that Lyle will be denied. I'll explain that in a second. But this parole board hearing happened today at 11:30am Eastern Time, 8:30 local out there from the prison in San Diego. He was doing it from his San Diego prison. This was video conference. He wasn't taken into a courtroom. So this was all done via video conference. Now why was he even up for parole? Now? This is the first time he has ever been eligible. This is his first shot up at this. Well, he's eligible now because after they were convicted, he and his brother were convicted of killing their parents. They got life in prison without the possibility of parole. But just this summer, at the start of the summer, they were reclassified and they were resentenced, I should say, and they were eligible for parole immediately. And that's why we ended up here. The Decision now that this board has made is that Eric is not suitable to be released. They are saying he is enough of a risk that he should be denied bail right now. Now, because of the system and the rules and the laws out there in California, we had no access today, no video, no audio to this parole board hearing. This isn't the same as a. As a court hearing. There is no judge in there and lawyers on both sides and people sitting at a table. It's not that kind of situation. This is actually supposed to be kind of a private event. This is supposed to be a very private and confidential happening here, a parole board hearing. So it does not the same rules that the whole public gets access. So what happened instead this time is that one pool reporter was assigned. I believe he was from the LA Times. He was the only person who was in there and able to watch, but he wasn't able to disseminate that information in real time because there are rules about that information going out before the parole board has actually made their decision. So, so many people, if you have kept up on social media, maybe you were following this story today as well. Everybody seemed to be doing the same thing, hitting refresh, refresh, refresh, looking for some kind of update of any kind. And it just did not come, because it could not come. The rules did not allow. So we've all been standing by, and we all got the information at the same time just a little bit ago that, yes, the board has denied, denied, denied Eric Menendez the opportunity now to get out on parole. Now, this was a long hearing in part because so many people, according to the reporter inside, showed up to speak on Eric Menendez's behalf. By this reporter's count, at least 18 people, family, friends, were there to speak on his behalf. Said there were a lot of tears during the video conference today, a lot of tears during the hearing, and the family even made a plea. Yes, about the boy. I say the boys, they were 21 and 18. They're 57 and 54 now. But saying that the Eric and Lyle, they've been remorseful, they've admitted what they've done, they've been rehabilitated, they plan on doing good work and continuing some of their work when they get out of prison. They made this claim, but they also said, hey, we have been waiting 30 years for them to come home or hoping for them to come home. We have forgiven them, and the family is trying to move on. They even made an argument that one of the relatives that was there has stage four cancer and argued that they might die before Eric and Lyle get out. And that was a part of the argument that some people in the family were making. But the board seemed to be, according to the reporter in the room, really, really, really interested and hung up on a few issues with Eric because Eric had some rules violations while he's been in prison over the past 30 years. And the reason that's key is because they are making a decision to put you back out into society. You are in prison because you broke rules. You did something wrong. If we put you back out there, can you still follow the rules? And the only indication we have of whether or not you can is what you've been doing the past 30 years in prison. And he has been violating rules at times. Again, nothing necessarily so outlandish. But some of these instances were. He was caught with a cell phone on occasions. That is a major. No, no, in prison. Not supposed to have a cell phone. He was caught with a cell phone. Also allegedly caught with drugs. Also allegedly helped a gang in a tax scheme of some kind. Also he did have a couple of instances of violence in prison. I think one was in the 90s, if I believe. You know, I don't have the dates right, so let me not speculate, but it's been at least a decade, and I believe two decades that one of them allegedly happened. So the. The parole board is really hung up and looking at this guy who is convicted and has admitted to a very, very heinous crime. Do we want to let him back out? This wasn't a one off. This is. Yes, it's over 30 years. And I guess on average that's not a lot over 30 years, but it was enough. And according to the reporter who was. Who was listening, that they were really, really hung up on several of those and asked him about them in depth. The other thing. And a lot of legal experts talked about this. The moment, as you know, we're all here because Eric and Lyle killed their parents. They killed their dad, who they accused of molesting them. But the board was hung up on or certainly questioned them about why you had to kill the mom. You all will remember this case, remember it well. Some of these details. And this. It was really was. It was a sensation. It was a media sensation. And still the fascination continues with this case. There have been documentaries, of course, the hit Netflix series last year. There's just this fascination. But folks were always wondering, in 1989, you're saying your dad was the one who was molesting you. Who was the threat? Why did you have to kill the mom? And it wasn't just an instant death for the mom, if you will. There was some reloading involved in the crimes. It was, the details are just atrocious. They absolutely are. So the argument that was made over the years that the Menendez brothers made was that this was done in self defense. They were in fear of their stepfather who was doing the harassing. They were fear, in fear of their lives, in fear of the harassment and the harasser. So why did you have to kill the mom? It was unnecessary. She wasn't a threat. She wasn't an imminent threat of any kind. And the reporter in the room said one of the board members specifically asked, why did you shoot her? And his answer was simply a wish he hadn't done it. I mean, they have said that, they have admitted, but the board went through and so much was expected that they would go through what happened over the past 30 years. What kind of. And not necessarily go through and not trying to re litigate and relive the entire crime, but they were gonna look at how you behaved over the past 30 years. But it was interesting to hear from the reporter that they did go back, they did have questions still about the crime, why you did it. And that was something that they brought up and they were hung up on, why did you have to kill your mom? And I heard some legal experts talk about that before, that this could be a challenge. Like you want to make the argument that the guy was doing this to you, your dad was doing this, and he was the imminent threat, then why'd you have to kill mom? And also this idea of the imminent threat that you have to shoot them, right? There was an imminent threat in that moment, an imminent threat of something happening that night. You had options. Now, a lot of people will tell you these two are, these young men were abuse victims. And there's so much more we've learned over the past couple of decades and even years about what goes into and what that kind of abuse can do to a person. So don't want to downplay that. But still the argument was made that the brothers may have had options. So why do this if they didn't have some other motive? Obviously the argument has always been made because they went on that spending spree afterwards that you hear so much about spending tens of, and yes, hundreds of thousands of dollars of their parents money in the immediate aftermath of the deaths. So that continues to be brought up. But the, the board was very interested, very interested in that particular thing. Why, why did you have to kill your mom. Now the family did express that they were disappointed in what happened today, disappointed that they are not that he wasn't granted parole. They did put out a statement saying while we respect the decision, today's outcome was of course disappointing and not what we hoped for. But our belief in Eric remains unwavering and we know he will take the board's recommendation in stride. His remorse, growth and the positive impact he's had on others speak for themselves. We will continue to stand by him and hold to the hope he is able to return home soon. Tomorrow we turn our attention to Lyle's hearing and while it is undoubtedly difficult, we remain cautiously optimistic and hopeful that the commissioner will see in Lyle what so many others have a man who has taken responsibility, transformed his life and is ready to come home again. That's the statement from the family. I give you idea of of this board hearing here. This they're actually going to have different board members for Lyle tomorrow than they do for did for Eric today. Now that is just one of the reasons why there is hope. There is hope that even though Eric was denied today, Lyle could still be granted parole when he goes before the board on Friday. How is that possible.
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All right, we continue now. Yes, it is late as of this recording. Way past my bedtime. And this is way past when a lot of people thought that parole board hearing for Eric Menendez thought it would be done a lot sooner than now. But this thing went 10 hours today, started at 8:30 local time. That's 11:30 Eastern Time on this morning. And it went for some 10 hours. And because we didn't have any cameras, didn't have access and the one reporter that was in there wasn't able to give real time updates publicly. We have all essentially been standing by for 10 hours waiting for any trickle of information to come out. And sure enough, we got it a little bit ago. Eric Menendez has been denied, denied parole by this parole board. They say he can come back in three years. His brother Lyle is up tomorrow, up on Friday. Now you hear his brother Eric has been denied and they're we're in this together, same crime. Then surely he would be denied as well. But this is why not necessarily. There was argument that there could be a split decision and here's why. The same parole board members are not expected to rule for each. So you got a different set of eyes, a different set of ears tomorrow who will be considering Lyle's case. Lyle's case will be considered based on his merits and based on his behavior in prison. So he doesn't necessarily have as many rules violations as his brother or the board members who are there tomorrow could maybe not put as much emphasis on those rules violations. You just don't know. Yes, common sense might dictate and you might assume that he's going to be denied, but there is reason for possibly his case, his history in prison being viewed differently by a different set of parole board members. Now, we say all this, we see what happens, but we have to remember there's one other option, one other possibility right now. Governor Gavin Newsom can step in and get them out of prison. He can grant them clemency anytime he sees fit. He has held off on doing so. But now he might not have a decision to make. If the parole board denies both Menendez brothers, it's tough to figure that the guy who was setting up to run for president wants to be running a tough on crime campaign and have to be asked questions about why he went against a parole board and let two double murderers out of prison. Politics just comes in into that. But take the politics out of it. If he just went with the parole board, why wouldn't he listen to the experts on this? So an extraordinary day with an extraordinary lack of details all day. But this was the one that was anticipated for so long. After all these years, after all the momentum, after all the documentaries, after all the Netflix hit shows, after all the celebrity endorsements, after all that's gone on in this case, they finally get to this day. And denied. We'll keep an eye on it tomorrow as well when Lyle is up. We'll see how long that one goes. But folks just wanted to hop on and give you all the update and stayed up late to do so. So always appreciate you hanging with us. And a reminder, Robes is out on this one. She is in Boulder dropping her daughter off for sophomore year in college. So Robes will be back with me soon. But now always appreciate you all the time. Listen.
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