Killer Thriller: Tori Spelling Wanted to Break Free from “Donna Martin” the Virgin. This Was the Role.

Summary

Killer Thriller: Tori Spelling Wanted to Break Free from “Donna Martin” the Virgin. This Was the Role.

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode Date: April 2, 2026
Featured Guest: Tori Spelling
Host/Interviewer: Elisa Donovan

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Episode Overview

This episode of Killer Thriller dives deep into Tori Spelling's starring role in the iconic 1994 TV movie A Friend to Die For (also known as Death of a Cheerleader), which was inspired by the real-life 1984 murder of high school cheerleader Kirsten Costas. Host Elisa Donovan and Spelling discuss the behind-the-scenes process of making the film, the impact of its true crime roots, and how the themes of popularity, bullying, and insecurity remain relevant. The conversation is personal, frequently self-deprecating, and at times surprisingly moving, with both women reflecting on their own adolescent experiences.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Scene: “A Friend to Die For” and Its Cultural Impact

• Tori's role: Spelling played Stacey Lockwood, the murdered popular girl, in the most-watched TV movie of 1994.
• Movie’s true crime basis: The film is rooted in the murder of Kirsten Costas by Bernadette Praddy in Orinda, CA (03:41).
• Unexpected TV hit: The movie’s broadcast outperformed Monday Night Football—a major coup for a TV movie at the time (04:27).

  “It was the first TV movie that took viewers away from Monday Night Football ... won the night.” —Tori Spelling (04:27)

2. Breaking Out of “Donna Martin” — Why This Role Mattered

• Tori reflects on being known as the good-girl Donna on Beverly Hills 90210 and craving a complex, less innocent role.

  “I was known for Donna Martin, the good girl ... wait, I could bite my teeth into this. She was the not so good girl.” —Tori Spelling (09:00)

• This was her first straight offer—she didn’t have to audition—which was both exciting and led to impostor feelings.

3. Behind the Scenes: True Crime vs. TV Reality

• Preparation: Tori candidly admits she didn’t do true crime research; she wasn't fully aware the story was real at first (09:38–10:14).

  “I’m pretty good with memory. Maybe I was told, but I didn’t know what that meant.” —Tori Spelling (10:13)

• Era differences: The hosts reminisce about the lack of internet at the time, making research difficult (12:16+).
• On-set memories: Tori shares a vivid recollection of filming the hospital scene—her only real insight into the tragedy’s gravity at that time (12:37).

4. Bullying, Popularity, and Teenage Cruelty—Then and Now

• Empathy for Bernadette: Discussion on the intense, desperate feelings of social isolation that motivated the murder (13:27+).

  “She felt so compromised and so unpopular ... going back to school was a fate worse than death, basically.” —Elisa Donovan (13:25)

• Personal resonance: Both Tori and Elisa open up about feeling like outsiders and being bullied in school.

  “Looking back now...that was probably a survival mechanism, so you didn’t get bullied, to try to please everyone.” —Tori Spelling (15:13)

• Middle school struggles: Elisa describes her own suicidal thoughts as a result of mass rejection in eighth grade (17:58–19:25).

  “My entire, entire friend group turned against me. ... It’s the only time in my life that I have been suicidal.” —Elisa Donovan (17:58)

• Social media’s impact: Talk about how bullying might manifest differently today, and whether social media would make things worse or possibly provide lifelines (17:44+).

5. Gender and Bullying

• Tori and Elisa note the persistence—and sometimes gendered nature—of female bullying, discussing both their own children’s experiences and cultural patterns.

  “It’s always girls that are bullying them ... is that ever gonna change?” —Tori Spelling (21:23)

6. The Real Crime and Aftermath

• Discussion on Bernadette Praddy’s apparent lack of remorse and focus on her own reputation rather than the victim (27:04–28:28).

  “She really said things like, ‘What are people going to think of me? I can’t go back to school.’ It’s like, well, no, you can’t go back to school because you murdered someone.” —Elisa Donovan (28:04)

• Questions about her sentence (seven out of nine years), impact of family life, and the strange but factual details (like the murder weapon being a kitchen knife in the car) (29:03–30:37).

7. On-Set Memories and Validation

• Valerie Harper’s kindness: Spelling recalls how Harper, who played her on-screen mother, supported and encouraged her when she was insecure (34:14–35:10).

  “She was just like ... you have this. You’re great. Believe in yourself. ... She was like, the first person, like, another actor, to say ... believe in yourself.” —Tori Spelling (34:21)

• Reflections on feeling like outsiders: Both Tori and Kelly Martin (her co-star) incorrectly assumed the other was “the cool kid” and felt inferior, a dynamic Elisa notes as universal and still relevant (32:13–36:18).

8. Performance Anxiety and Filming Specifics

• “Cheerleader” scenes: Tori admits she struggled with the choreography and felt impostor syndrome on set, fearing she’d be fired for not fitting the “popular” image (43:38–44:51).
• The “death scene” and horror screaming: Both laugh about their inability to give a classic horror movie scream (45:03–46:54).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On being the not-so-good girl:

  “Wait, I could bite my teeth into this. She was like the not-so-good girl. She was like the bee at school.” —Tori Spelling (09:00)

• On the lack of research:

  “Nothing. … If I was even told by my manager and agent or producers when I arrived, like, ‘Hey, this is based on a real girl.’” —Tori Spelling (09:41)

• On bullies and survival:

  “Looking back now, that was probably a survival mechanism ... to try to please everyone.” —Tori Spelling (15:13)

• On feeling insecure on set:

  “I was like, oh my god, I don’t fit in. I’m not worthy. But I was like, but I’m playing the cool girl straight off her. So I was like, act the part. So I just put on, like, a good front.” —Tori Spelling (33:18)

• On validation from Valerie Harper:

  “She was just like ... you have this. You’re great. Believe in yourself.” —Tori Spelling (34:21)

• On the ongoing issue of mean girls:

  “It’s always girls that are bullying them or doing something. And I’m like, is that ever gonna change?” —Tori Spelling (21:23)

• On the anxiety of playing the “cool” cheerleader:

  “I could not do it... I’m supposed to be like, oh god, like, whatever. And I was like, oh my gosh... I can’t even act the part.” —Tori Spelling (44:33)

• On horror movie screams:

  “Mine’s like a gurgly beast and it comes out still to this day, and I get so embarrassed.” —Tori Spelling (45:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:41]: Introduction to the true crime story behind the movie.
• [04:27]: How the film became a TV phenomenon.
• [09:00]: Tori discusses her eagerness to break away from typecasting.
• [10:14]: On the lack of awareness during production about the real crime.
• [13:25]: Exploring the psychology and empathy for Bernadette, the murderer.
• [15:13]: Personal bullying and survival strategies in teen years.
• [17:58]: Elisa’s haunting story about being bullied and its lasting impact.
• [21:23]: On the persistence of female bullying.
• [28:04]: Examining Bernadette’s post-crime attitude and sentence.
• [34:21]: Validation and encouragement from Valerie Harper.
• [41:36]: Comparing Stacey Lockwood with Donna Martin and Tori’s on-set imposter syndrome.
• [45:03]: Filming the death scene and the difficulty of the “scream.”

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Candid and personal: The episode is full of honest, often self-deprecating stories from both women about career anxieties and adolescence.
• Reflective and empathetic: Both revisit their own traumas and unpack the complexities of popularity, bullying, and self-worth.
• Humorous and supportive: Amidst the seriousness, there's plenty of mutual admiration, laughter, and supportive storytelling.

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For Listeners

This episode offers a revealing look into the making of a 90s true crime TV movie, the hidden insecurities behind Hollywood facades, and timeless truths about teenage pain and acceptance. It’s a rich blend of pop culture nostalgia and thoughtful discussion on why certain traumas—individual and societal—are so hard to shake.

Find more of Tori Spelling at @torispelling on socials and her podcasts "misspelling" and "9021OMG" on iHeart.

Transcript

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[Tori Spelling]

Hey, everyone.

[Elisa Donovan]

Elisa Donovan here, back with a new episode of Killer Thriller.

[Tori Spelling]

Thank you.

[Elisa Donovan]

Now, I know that we are here to feature true crime guilty pleasure. But today we are combining all the things we obsess about at once. My guest is none other than 90s teen drama queen Tori Spelling.

[Tori Spelling]

Hi, my friends. Hi. Oh, my gosh. We're here.

[Elisa Donovan]

Tori starred as Stacey Lockwood in the film A Friend to die for, which was the most watched TV movie of 1994. And depending on where in the world you were watching it or on what network the movie was. Also known as Death of a Cheerleader. The film is based on the true story of the 1984 murder of Kirsten Costas, a popular high school cheerleader in Orinda, California, who was stabbed to death by her classmate Bernadette Praddy, driven by jealousy over popularity and social status. Tori, welcome to Killer Thriller.

[Tori Spelling]

Thank you for having me. Love the pie.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, thank you.

[Tori Spelling]

I mean, true crime. I love true crime.

[Elisa Donovan]

I mean, who doesn't? And I love you.

[Tori Spelling]

So the pairing is perfect. Thank you for that intro. I feel really good right now, really confident. I would like to add it was the first TV movie that took viewers away from Monday night Football and actually, that is excellent. Won the night.

[Elisa Donovan]

It did it won over football. You know, this is like something. It's like almost unheard of. Like, it is a highly unusual thing to do. And every. There's something about that time when people. Everyone watching something at the same time. It's really powerful. Like, it's a really. It becomes a part of the zeitgeist. You know, it's like why people. You know, that's just a great sort of connective tissue.

[Tori Spelling]

You said zeitgeist and it was really sexy.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah. I'll say it again.

[Tori Spelling]

Say it again.

[Elisa Donovan]

Zeitgeist.

[Tori Spelling]

So.

[Elisa Donovan]

So playing. I know this is a Long time ago. But playing a character that is a real person, and with having something so tragic happen to them, how did you even. How do you prepare for that? Or what do you remember most about it?

[Tori Spelling]

Okay, so I know you've talked to Kelly Martin.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Tori Spelling]

And we didn't realize we had this shared experience until, like, years later because we became adult friends and lived in the same community and both had pigs

[Elisa Donovan]

and like, oh, my gosh, I didn't know that you guys both had pigs.

[Tori Spelling]

Yes. She still has them.

[Elisa Donovan]

You had to let it go. You had to let the pig go.

[Tori Spelling]

I did. I will have.

[Elisa Donovan]

I mean, you have a lot of children and pigs. This just seems like too much. Too much.

[Tori Spelling]

She makes it all work, though.

[Elisa Donovan]

But

[Tori Spelling]

this is something at the time. So first of all, this was. It's so hard because now it's a TV movie. Back then, we called it Movies of the Week.

[Elisa Donovan]

Of the week. That's right.

[Tori Spelling]

Mow I was in it to win it. 90210 had taken off. It was a huge success. This was the first project that I was just straight offered, so I did not dish in.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, that's an exciting feeling.

[Tori Spelling]

It was like, yeah, so that was really exciting. And I remember. Okay, I remember it was right after the Northridge earthquake. My apartment had damage to it, and I was getting it fixed in the ceilings and everything. And they were like, okay, we need you to kind of move out for a bit. So it was the 90s. It was 90210. I was on Beverly Hills. I'm making apologies here. So of course I went to the Peninsula.

[Elisa Donovan]

Of course you did. Because that's what you do when you have to move out for a little bit.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah. I didn't know any better. I was like, oh, my God. Where they finished my. Sorry, this is nothing to do with what we're talking about, but.

[Elisa Donovan]

Well, now I want to know.

[Tori Spelling]

I love a good story, and I haven't told anyone this ever. Like, I'm just remembering it for the first time. So I had to move out. And they were like, oh, you know, like three days. Oh, wow. I gotta tell you, going to work, room service from the Peninsula, going.

[Elisa Donovan]

Where did you guys shoot?

[Tori Spelling]

Did you shoot here? Van Nuys. So it was still. I was doing 90210. Right. So Van Nuys in the Valley. So driving from Beverly Hills, which was fine, but I stayed at the Peninsula for a month.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh. But I tell this story that sounds

[Tori Spelling]

only because I came home from work and I was by myself and my agent had sent over the script for Death of a Cheerleader. Which friend to die for.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes, same movie.

[Tori Spelling]

Same movie. Anyway, sent over the script, and I can see myself right now sitting at the desk, and I had ordered room service. French onion soup, of course, Caesar salad soup. Mm. Big fan. And I was reading the script, and I was like, oh, my God, this is so cool. Of course, I was in at offer, you know, like, yeah, right, right.

[Elisa Donovan]

You're like, yes. What is it? I was just like, say yes.

[Tori Spelling]

I'm not worthy. You know, I'm not Brenda. I'm not Kelly on 90210. I'm Donna. It was still, like, early on.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right, right, right.

[Tori Spelling]

So I was still like. And it's something my dad hasn't produced. No one's gonna believe this. So I was still in my mindset of, like, not feeling worthy, so getting that script. And also, it was like, I was known for, like, Donna Martin, the good girl. And it was like, wait, I could, like, bite my teeth into this. She was like, the not so good girl. She was like the bee.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

School.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

And I was like, I'm gonna.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Tori Spelling]

I'm gonna prove myself. So anyway, preparation wise, Kelly and I, we didn't know back then, like, things based on true stories.

[Elisa Donovan]

You do research, right?

[Tori Spelling]

Nothing.

[Elisa Donovan]

You didn't. So you didn't know anything about this case?

[Tori Spelling]

But it's not like I was like, I'm not gonna even do that. No, I can't even tell you. And I remember a lot, obviously, details. If I was even told by my, like, manager and agent or producers when I arrived, like, hey, this is based on a real girl.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, my gosh. Wait a second. So you didn't even know that it was based on a real crime or you don't remember?

[Tori Spelling]

I'm pretty good with memory.

[Elisa Donovan]

I.

[Tori Spelling]

What? Maybe I was told, but I didn't know what that meant.

[Elisa Donovan]

Do you think your agents are also, like, just say yes because they offered it to you?

[Tori Spelling]

Right. It was because.

[Elisa Donovan]

Well, I will say in my doing

[Tori Spelling]

my research, like her, if you look.

[Elisa Donovan]

Well, the funny thing is. Well, it's not funny. But the interesting thing is when I was watching it and then doing the research of the actual girls, it's like, you are reversed.

[Tori Spelling]

Yes.

[Elisa Donovan]

Like, so it's a little bit confusing in that way.

[Tori Spelling]

So you can see, like, on set, there was never like, oh, can we change your hair a little bit? Let's do the. There was no conversations with makeup, hair, wardrobe.

[Elisa Donovan]

I think also because they wanted you. They wanted people to know. This is Tori's spelling right. Which is probably also something you couldn't wrap your head around at the time.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah.

[Elisa Donovan]

But I think that I really feel

[Tori Spelling]

like these were not conversations as young people. We were just, like, brought in, like, show up, memorize your lines, do your job, like, stand on your mark, and didn't know to ask questions.

[Elisa Donovan]

Also, even now, in doing the research for this, when I knew I was talking to you and to Kelly and all the, like, the, the, the info that the producers give me, it's hard to find information because these people didn't really want to talk about it because it was so devastating to the community. So they're really. There's one Rolling Stone article that's very long and interviews a lot of different people, but even Amy Sugarman, who grew up there, like, down the street from where this happened. And she, she talks about it saying, like, she would be walking around looking for the p. Like, looking for the car before they knew who it was. And so she has very visceral memories of this time. She also, like, they, they just don't want to talk about it, which is kind of understandable. So maybe it's also. I'm sure you could even, like. And back then, you know, this information superhighway was not the same.

[Tori Spelling]

We were hammering, like, oh, there's front page news and it's on a rock. No, I'm just kidding.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tori Spelling]

It was like we were, like, looking on it unless we went to the library. Right. You couldn't just, like, even, like, scan articles.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, scan articles. I do remember doing that scan or look at them. I loved it.

[Tori Spelling]

I do have one memory, and this is probably when I put it all together. Not put it all together, but really understood it. The one scene where she's passed already, it's in the hospital. Gosh, I can't even remember if they aired it. They might have. We were filming it and I was laying on a table in the hospital, and that's when, like, the family comes and they're like, she's gone. There's a doctor. And I remember some conversation I couldn't really hear about how this actually happened. When the family came and identified her at the hospital and she, you know, they had to. She was passed. Passed. I'm, like, trying to be. This is so, like, delicate, like.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah. But that's the only time I ever really knew.

[Elisa Donovan]

Wow. I mean, so. So much of this is so Bernadette, who Kelly plays in real life, her letter that she writes, explain. It's sort of heartbre she felt like, you know, in her own words, it was like going back to school to Miramonte High was worse to her than it was a fate worse than death, basically, because she felt so compromised and so unpopular, and so she was so worried that this girl was going to expose her and, like, say bad things about her that she would rather. Like, she felt like she had no options, sort of. And I just got chills. That is, like, devastating. No, I mean, we all, like, talk about that. That feeling of, like, we. I think, about girls this age, you know, my daughter's 13, and how they can be so cruel to one another and that desire to be accepted. Like, did you identify with that feeling at all or understand how that might. You know, Kelly talked about it in her own way, but that's kind of, like, at the core of it. What?

[Tori Spelling]

No.

[Elisa Donovan]

I always felt great with everybody

[Tori Spelling]

being in school. I was kind of a floater. Like, I was. I hated cliques. Like, I hated that idea. But young, impressionable. I was like, oh, the popular girls, like, want me in their group. Cool. But then I was like, I'm with, like, the drama club kids, too.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right, Right.

[Tori Spelling]

And, you know, I. So I kind of was friends with everybody. But I think in hindsight, like, looking back now, that was probably a survival mechanism, like, so that you didn't get bullied, like, to try to please everyone. And, I mean, you know, I have five kids, but I have two daughters, and they've definitely gone through bullying. And it's just heartbreaking to know that it's the worst. It's always like. It's just. It doesn't matter. That never changes.

[Elisa Donovan]

It really doesn't.

[Tori Spelling]

It really doesn't.

[Elisa Donovan]

And, like, that feeling, to me, this movie, it's like, how do you get from that feeling that we. That we identify with and can understand to actually doing something so violent is just. I'm like, how is. Is it so impossible to believe? Or, like, what is the jump? You know? And I. That freaks me out.

[Tori Spelling]

Do you believe that she really felt that way? That she felt that she had no options? That is why she had to.

[Elisa Donovan]

I think if she had that feeling, she's not sane. There's. There's something that's wrong with her. My. My feeling about it all was, like, I had compassion for her, but then I also. I mean, I also think flashing tires,

[Tori Spelling]

but, like, stabbing somebody to death is just.

[Elisa Donovan]

That is just.

[Tori Spelling]

This is not okay. Sorry. You know me, I cope with life. Uncomfortable stuff with jokes.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right? But we're talking about a person's life.

[Tori Spelling]

And it's like, I.

[Elisa Donovan]

It's unimaginable. I mean, it is. It's just like. So I think about this, like, with my daughter, and she's had bullying situations and same. You just. I don't know what the answer is. Like, I don't even know exactly what I'm asking, but I, Like, I'm so curious about that space. Like, would it be different now? You know, I said to Kelly, what would if. If, you know, if there were social media back then? And I was saying, I think that would be. It would be so much worse because she'd be so bullied. And then. But then Kelly said, conversely, maybe that person would have, like, found a community online or something that would have prevented her. Which I think that's a more idealistic, you know, idea, but.

[Tori Spelling]

Right. She was so isolated, with no one to turn to. Maybe I. I think the same thing. Yeah, It's.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just.

[Tori Spelling]

Were you ever bully?

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. In eighth grade, my entire, entire friend group turned against me. Everybody. And I remember it being something about there was a boy that I liked, and I think he liked me and he didn't like another friend. It was something like that. And the next thing I knew, they all just ghosted me. And I was so. It's the only time in my life that I have been suicidal. Like, I really felt like I had a moment. I remember being in our backyard in the summer, nobody to call. Like, nobody to hang out with. And I was so deeply depressed. And then. But the gift of that was then I started to really figure out, like, who do I want to be with? Who am I? And I was always an artist and drawing and painting and acting and dancing and doing. Doing, you know, and I rode horses. And I was like, okay, who am I really? And what do I want to do? And I really leaned into. I found all these artist friends, and they became, like, the core of my life, you know, and then that, you know, I based my character in Clueless on one of these. That was mean to me, you know, So I feel like, you know, but that's not always the case. Right? Like, it's. It's a rough. Those years are rough. They're just rough.

[Tori Spelling]

Middle school, that's just the worst.

[Elisa Donovan]

It's really hard.

[Tori Spelling]

I had something similar happen. I remember sixth grade, Philip. I really liked him.

[Elisa Donovan]

Where are you at, Philip? Where are you at? We gonna call him up. Remember when we called up Jason when I was doing.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah, I do.

[Elisa Donovan]

He did not take my call. He did not take my call. No.

[Tori Spelling]

We could try again. We could try again. But, yeah, I remember a girl saying, yeah, someone else likes them. Same thing. So that can't happen. And if it happens, you're not going to be a part of this group.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, that's sort of basically.

[Tori Spelling]

So that was it.

[Elisa Donovan]

This.

[Tori Spelling]

This, like.

[Elisa Donovan]

So do you think here's another thing about the difference between today and now in the movie, then they definitely made it seem like there were. There was that hierarchy and the bullying aspect.

[Tori Spelling]

Aspect.

[Elisa Donovan]

Do you think that they would. That it's any different today? I guess we're sort of asking.

[Tori Spelling]

I don't.

[Elisa Donovan]

We already answered the question.

[Tori Spelling]

And it's. It concerns me because I feel like it's such a movement in social media has a lot to do with this and influencers, but, you know, sisterhood and, like, you know, women supporting women.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

And even going back then, like, boys were kind of like, nah, they don't. They don't. They're not catty. They're not. They're not looking at another guy like, oh, look what he's wearing. No, we're not talking to him. Or like, exactly. They're just moving through. And it's like, oh, it's. And it's so. And it bums me out because I want to say to my girls, like, yes, like, women, we stick together.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

We rule this world.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

You know, we have, like, golden uteruses. Like, we are it.

[Elisa Donovan]

That's right. We make people.

[Tori Spelling]

We are the special ones. We are the chosen ones.

[Elisa Donovan]

We are the chosen ones.

[Tori Spelling]

But it's still like, yeah, it's girls and my kids have the same thing, and it's always girls that are bullying them or doing something. And I'm like, is that ever gonna change?

[Elisa Donovan]

You know, it's so interesting.

[Tori Spelling]

I know it is, because we're emotional and men kind of don't have that component to, like, do a deeper dive. Sorry, men.

[Elisa Donovan]

I know. Sorry, guys. Sorry, guys. You gotta catch up. We love you.

[Tori Spelling]

We love you.

[Elisa Donovan]

But I feel like my daughter is very. We were pretty fortunate that her class and her friend group, it's a pretty good group of kids. But at the same time, it does depend on that. It's still there. I still see the instinct of several. And what I noticed is it's the girls that don't. That are insecure.

[Tori Spelling]

Okay. Yeah.

[Elisa Donovan]

That use it as a tool to sort of try to dominate or they can't figure out what their place is. So they're like, I'm gonna put you here and you're gonna put you. It's really like a self esteem and a control thing. But so I think it's a little better now only because it's more spoken about.

[Tori Spelling]

Right.

[Elisa Donovan]

You know, it's kind of more out in the open. But I don't know.

[Tori Spelling]

I was insecure and I was still kind like. And I, I don't know.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right. I mean I always remember that about you when we, when I came on to 90210. I've said this before that you were so welcoming and kind to me just and very genuinely so. Just like kind of silly and kind. And that was a very intimidating environment for me to be walking into with all of you having worked together for so long. The show was so huge and I was like very nervous and you were so just lovely to me. So it's like you do that is very, very true about you and it

[Tori Spelling]

does mirror what happens in school. It's the same thing, you know, like you would hope people would have the same respect. So yeah, I hope it does change one day because how unfortunate something like this was due to that it could have been avoided.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

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[Jana Kramer]

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[Elisa Donovan]

Okay, so this case is so complicated because, you know, it's like, was she a sociopath? And is that based on her deep, you know, her feelings of fear and inadequacy and the acceptance and all those things and because the way she resigned raised and the home environment, they were apparently very religious and very conservative and you know, but she doesn't seem to have any real remorse. The remorse that she has is based on what will happen to her and how people will feel about her as opposed to the fact that she is took someone's life. Like how, what do you make of that?

[Tori Spelling]

I think the proof's in the pudding. I mean, it's just, it's, how can she not this? And you're saying to date.

[Elisa Donovan]

Well, yeah. In any of the articles and things that I've read which are now years old. But in the. In the movie and as. As well as in the documented articles about this, she really said things like, what are people going to think of me? Like, I can't go back to school. It's like, well, no, you can't go back to school because you murdered someone. I really wonder that too.

[Tori Spelling]

Can you go talk to her?

[Elisa Donovan]

I wonder. Well, she's apparently changed her name and lives. I think it's very unclear where she's living right now, which is also understandable.

[Tori Spelling]

I get it. I'm curious what her life is. Is like now.

[Elisa Donovan]

I am very curious what her life is like now, too. And how do you ever. I mean, she also didn't serve the full term of her sentence. She only served. I think it was seven years. Yes. Seven of the nine years.

[Tori Spelling]

Which is seven of the nine years. Like, why only nine? Why nine?

[Elisa Donovan]

Right. It is.

[Tori Spelling]

That is so. I don't know. That's innately in you. If that is your. Yeah, that's a character flaw.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah. If you're capable or that incapable, I should say, of managing your emotions. But it really does make me think about her family life. Like, I wonder if there was some kind of weird abuse, pressure, something like anything. What leads a person to really feel like you have no other option, you know, that's so extreme.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah. And her sister. I wonder where her sister is.

[Elisa Donovan]

The sister with the knife. Who was cutting the vegetables with the knife. That whole. Do you remember this whole part of the plot of the movie and the reality, it was a part of the actual criminal case. It was very key that the knife was in the car, that she used it to slice vegetables, and that's why it was in the car.

[Tori Spelling]

Which.

[Elisa Donovan]

That was something about it not being like that proves it's not premeditated.

[Tori Spelling]

I remember at the time thinking, and of course, my father's daughter. I'm like, you know, this wouldn't happen. Here's how, you know, you would create something that's not based on something real. It's like, well, that wouldn't happen. Like the foreshadowing of the cucumber and the cutting.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

And then she used it and. And then it was in the car. But it did happen.

[Elisa Donovan]

But it did. That's the thing.

[Tori Spelling]

It's so.

[Elisa Donovan]

So far.

[Tori Spelling]

And I was like, yes. Oh. I was like, I'm in this business, like, at that point, even though I was 19, like a long time. Like, I know this is like, you know, Something.

[Elisa Donovan]

Another one of these things just making up to make it sound dramatic.

[Tori Spelling]

I was like, God, that's not very good. Like, they should have thought this out more. I remember thinking this, and I'm like, okay, you do you. I'm just a hired gun here. It was a straight offer, but, you know. Okay. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right. So it was so unbelievable that you thought it was not real.

[Tori Spelling]

Not real. But it was.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, my God.

[Tori Spelling]

I gotta say, Valerie Harper, who played the Moment, was the loveliest, most genuine human.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, I love hearing that.

[Tori Spelling]

I was really nervous because it was like. So Kelly and I did work together, and we did Troop Beverly Hills together.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

And we were 14, right. So this is the first time I had seen her. And in my mind, I would never say this, but I was like, oh, my gosh. When I did True Beverly Hills, it was like the Beverly Hills group, and they were all like, the leads in that movie. I was the red feather and just had a few lines, so I didn't feel worthy. And they, like, kind of all hung together, which was probably on purpose, you know, to get to know each other. And I kind of would eat lunch, separate me and the other girl from the Red Feathers. And in a way, it was a little clique.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Tori Spelling]

And I remember telling Kelly, as adults now, like, I felt kind of like I didn't belong and I didn't fit in. She goes, oh, my God, I didn't fit in.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Tori Spelling]

And I was like, you didn't fit in? What do you mean?

[Elisa Donovan]

This is exactly what she said to me, too. And she's like, I felt as though Tori was the cool one. She was on the cool show that everybody loved, and it was just, like, edgier. And she was on. On the successful but, like, family show that was Sundays at 7 or whatever it was. And she felt like you were very cool and she was insecure and that you were, like, popular and, like, party. You would go out and do things. And she was like the dorky kid, and she's like. It helped her with the character, essentially. Yeah.

[Tori Spelling]

That's great. Here's what I thought. I was, like, true Beverly Hills. They were the cool ones. I was like, the dorky one. And then I was like, wow, now, like, Kelly and I were equal.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah.

[Tori Spelling]

You know, I was like, my star had risen. And so I didn't feel like I was just like, ooh, I belong with

[Elisa Donovan]

Kelly Martin finally caught up.

[Tori Spelling]

I just caught up, like, finally, I belong here. So I felt really good. But in my head, I was still as, you Know me well. That girl that was like, I don't. Oh, my God, I don't fit in. I'm not worthy. But I was like, but I'm playing the cool girl straight off her. So I was like, act the part. So I just put on, like, a good front. But I remember Valerie Harper coming into my trailer, and she was just. She held my hand, and she was like, I love your dad. And she was like. And I remember kind of feeling insecure and nervous and her being like, you're really good. You work really hard. You're really nice. She's like, I watch what's going. And she was just like, oh, I love. And she's like, you have this. You're great. Believe in yourself. And she was like, the first person, like, another actor to say, like, believe in yourself.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

Like, you deserve to be here.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, I love that. Do you think she could sense that from you? And that's why she said, sense your insecurity.

[Tori Spelling]

I was really shy and. Yeah, I'm sure.

[Elisa Donovan]

I mean, that's something.

[Tori Spelling]

Like, I don't know if I'm doing okay or something. It was probably something, right? That. But she, like, talk about motherhead and talk about the opposite of the character she played in that movie. She was so, like, outgoing and kind and a huge star. Valerie Harper, like, huge. Like, to all the crew, to all the cast, right? Yeah, she was really, really great.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, that's so nice to hear. She was. Yeah. I mean, she's definitely one of the greats.

[Tori Spelling]

That's so funny. Kelly thought I was, like, the cool girl in my mind.

[Elisa Donovan]

I'm like, definitely. Definitely. She did? Yeah.

[Tori Spelling]

Are you kidding? I was like, life goes on. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm with Kelly Martin.

[Elisa Donovan]

Isn't that funny? Like, ladies. Yes. Anybody younger listening to us, please, like, don't. I. I still find this today. This is, like, my lesson to myself all the time. If I have those feelings of, like, insecurity or, oh, I don't like this person, or she's mean or she's not going to be. I literally take a moment, like, I stop and stand still and take a breath and go, be exactly where you are right now and see what happens. Like, just really look at this situation and step into it as who you are. Like, knowing who I am, it's like a. I mean, I'm 55, and I have to do that still. You know, it's easier, but I still have to, like, say, okay, you lost me. What are you intimidated by and all this? Yeah, I am 55. Yes, I am.

[Tori Spelling]

Used to Google that one. I'm just kidding.

[Elisa Donovan]

I'm just kidding. You know somebody on IMDb, I think when I, when they first put it up, I used to lie about my age and said I was born in 1974. I think because of Clueless. I think when we did Clueless, the movie, it was like, don't talk about your age because you're playing 16 or 17 and you're like 23 or whatever it was. So I think that's how it started. And then some kid, I wish I remembered his name. I would look back at IMDb and changed my date and he was like, I went to high school with her. She was born in 1971. And I was like, first of all, get a hobby or get a job.

[Tori Spelling]

Wow.

[Elisa Donovan]

Secondly, I can't believe somebody went that far to try to change. And now you know, that was it.

[Jana Kramer]

That was it.

[Elisa Donovan]

It was the world began to know my true age. His name is Jeff something. I don't know, but boy, I do remember that.

[Tori Spelling]

And being like, let's find him and call him.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, let's call him. I don't think I ever had his number, but boy, if I did, I'm gonna look it up.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah, I wonder what he looks like now. High school reunions. You go back and you're like, yeah.

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[Jana Kramer]

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[Elisa Donovan]

Okay, two questions to wrap it up here. Do you think that your character in the film representing the popular girl had any similarities to the characters written on 90210 and that era of television.

[Tori Spelling]

I really don't. But I'm sure that's why I got the part. Like 2o was popular and like it was the cool kids at school in high school. I guess it's hard for me because she is Stacy Lockwood, literally the opposite of Donna Martin. Like it's. I was so terrified. I remember sitting there like saying the lines on camera, being like. I don't know. It was like nowadays it would be like I was on the reality show Traitors. Like you're putting up this mask and pretending to be fit in. Like I just didn't feel. And looking back as an adult and watching that film, I'm like, oh my God, I was really good in that character. Like I played that mean girl well, but it just felt so unnatural.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah.

[Tori Spelling]

One, being Tori and two, playing Donna every day. So yeah, I'm sure that is like, isn't.

[Elisa Donovan]

It's so interesting how we just really don't have proper perception in the moment a lot of the time. Time. And you just.

[Tori Spelling]

With every line coming out of my mouth on camera.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right.

[Tori Spelling]

Terrified. Like I was like, oh my God, the director afterwards is going to be like to worry. Let's talk. Like you're not. And I was like, you know, I had to be like that confident.

[Elisa Donovan]

Like, you know, that is so heartbreaking in. In the sense of like the whole

[Tori Spelling]

shoot was terrifying for me.

[Elisa Donovan]

And not being able to enjoy what's happening.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah.

[Elisa Donovan]

Like not being able to enjoy the success of what you're doing. It's like we put so much pressure on ourselves.

[Tori Spelling]

I did that night the Peninsula when I got the offer. But after that, after that and sorry. Two things. I know we have to wrap the cheerleading of it all.

[Elisa Donovan]

Uh huh.

[Tori Spelling]

Oh boy. What?

[Elisa Donovan]

Tell me.

[Tori Spelling]

So I'm supposed to go in and like crush it. Cause I'm like the head cheer or one of the head cheerleaders always like, you know, go in and do it and like have it down. And Kelly is supposed to like not be able to get the steps right. So here's the thing. And whatever. I am a good free dancer. Like freestyle choreography and like steps and like getting the timing right. Never been my thing.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh no.

[Tori Spelling]

I mean you probably. Everyone knows that. They watch me on Dancing with the Stars. I last at one episode. But you get me in the club doing the Worm and the Robot and I crush it. But I had to like get it down. So they taught us like we had rehearsals and stuff. I could not do it.

[Elisa Donovan]

Oh, God.

[Tori Spelling]

So I'm supposed to be like, oh, God. Like, whatever. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And I inside was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna get fired. Like, I can't. I can't even act the part. And it was early on we filmed that scene. So I'm like, oh, my God. They're gonna. The mask is off. They're gonna say I'm a fraud. I can't play a popular cool every night.

[Elisa Donovan]

As you're leaving, they're like, so don't worry about tomorrow. You don't have to come back tomorrow. Yeah, I was wondering, did you clear out your trailer? Just grab your things.

[Tori Spelling]

Oh, my goodness. And then my.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, tell me about your death scene.

[Tori Spelling]

So we filmed that all night long. And I mean, I think we were there till the sun came up. Like, doing all the scenes in the car and she runs and then she's. So anyway, I just remember. Oh, God, this is horrible. I mean, it was a horrific scene. But the fact is, I remember they were like, you had to fall a certain way and. And the blood and like, the knife. It was all, like, choreographed. But I am a huge horror fan and true crime fan, and I. You would think I would be able to do this. Well, I have the worst screen.

[Elisa Donovan]

Me too. Me too.

[Tori Spelling]

Me too. Wait, stop it.

[Elisa Donovan]

It's like a talent that some people have. I do not have it.

[Tori Spelling]

Some people have that horror film screen that you're just like, yes. Mine's like a gurgly beast and it comes out still to this day, and I get so embarrassed. Like, if something like, scares me or something, it's like, it's not like that cool. Like.

[Elisa Donovan]

Right, right.

[Tori Spelling]

It's like, ah,

[Elisa Donovan]

This is so funny because I just. I just did a horror comedy series that's coming out this year and I had to scream twice. And it was my biggest fear. Like, that was my biggest nightmare. I'm like, I can't. And I'm doing it with people that are horror people. Like, they make movies like this. And I was just like, oh, God, I'm gonna screw it up. That's gonna be so embarrassing.

[Tori Spelling]

Yeah, so I don't know.

[Elisa Donovan]

Well, I don't remember it being blended.

[Tori Spelling]

And there's like, did they auto tune your scream? I don't think they did. I know. Now you can AI it and I can have like.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, sound like Jamie Lee Curtis and Halloween. Yeah.

[Tori Spelling]

Interesting. You went to that one. I was wondering.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yeah, where did I.

[Tori Spelling]

You're quick. And I'm like, where's she gonna go? You I like you picked that reference.

[Elisa Donovan]

Yes. Okay. Well, I am very, very sad to say that this is coming to a close. Our little chat. And truly we could talk about anything for a long time. And I wish that we could. So we'll figure out something. Why don't you do another movie about something real that happened where someone dies and then you can come back and I'll interview you again.

[Tori Spelling]

Ripped from the headlines.

[Elisa Donovan]

Ripped from the headlines.

[Tori Spelling]

That's the thing now. Yes.

[Elisa Donovan]

So.

[Tori Spelling]

Or we could start on one together. We can start talking about it on your podcast. Okay.

[Elisa Donovan]

Excellent. Okay.

[Tori Spelling]

Manifesting it.

[Elisa Donovan]

Done.

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[Elisa Donovan]

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[Tori Spelling]

Thank you.

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[Tori Spelling]

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