Legally Brunette Presents: ’Til Death Do Us Part - Gerhardt Konig

Summary

Podcast Summary: Legally Brunette Presents: ’Til Death Do Us Part - Gerhardt Koenig

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Host Feed: iHeartPodcasts
Legally Brunette Hosts: Emily Simpson & Shane
Episode Date: April 5, 2026
Case Discussed: The Attempted Murder of Ariel Koenig by Dr. Gerhardt Koenig

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Episode Overview

Emily Simpson and Shane host this special episode of "Legally Brunette presents: ’Til Death Do Us Part," focusing on the high-profile attempted murder case against Maui anesthesiologist Dr. Gerhardt Koenig, who is on trial for the attempted murder of his wife, Ariel Koenig, a former nuclear scientist. The hosts take a "deep dive" into the case as new trial details have come to light, including Ariel’s harrowing survival story, evidence, and courtroom drama.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introductions and Podcast Dynamic (02:38 – 04:47)

• Emily sets the tone: the show explores spousal homicide and attempted murder cases, indicating there’s “no lack of homicide cases out there.”
• Shane jokes about crime not being "economy driven" and their light banter showcases their chemistry and humor.
• They acknowledge feedback from listeners about enjoying Shane's expanded role and his mock obsession with Meghan Markle.
  • Shane: “Netflix doesn't want her either.” (04:27)
  • Emily: “You can’t buy your way to that. You just have to be that.” (04:44)

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Case Introduction: The Facts (04:49 – 06:36)

• The Victims and Suspect:
  • Dr. Gerhardt Koenig, 47, is accused of trying to murder his wife Ariel, 37, while hiking in Hawaii (04:47).
  • Ariel is described as a nuclear scientist, though Emily pokes fun at the idea of a “stay at home nuclear scientist.”
• Incident Summary:
  • Dr. Koenig allegedly tried to push Ariel off a cliff, attempted to inject her with a syringe, and struck her with a lava rock.
  • Ariel survived and is testifying at trial.

Emily: “He allegedly pushed his wife Ariel toward a cliff, tried to inject her with a syringe and struck her repeatedly with a lava rock. Luckily, his wife survived this attack and can live to tell her story, which is what she's doing now during the trial.” (06:15)

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The Timeline and Motive (09:42 – 10:54)

• Background: The attack allegedly followed a rough patch in their marriage, particularly after Ariel admitted to an "emotional affair" with a coworker.
  • Shane is skeptical: “There's no such thing as an emotional affair.” (09:58)
  • Debate over the meaning and reality of emotional affairs adds nuance and humor.

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The Incident: The Hike Attack (14:14 – 19:20)

• Setting: Hiking the Pali Puka Trail, a 1,200-feet-high narrow cliffside path in Oahu, for Ariel’s birthday on March 24, 2025.
• Gerhardt’s Alleged Actions:
  • Tried to make Ariel pose for a selfie near the dangerous edge.
  • When she refused and grabbed a tree for safety, he became angry and tried to advance the attack.
  • Allegedly tried pushing her multiple times, straddled her, and struck her head ~10 times with a lava rock while she screamed for help.
  • Ariel fought back (“She bit his forearm and... grabbed his testicles...” (17:15)) and tried to reason with him, reminding him about their children.
  • During the struggle, he allegedly tried to inject her with a syringe, which she knocked away.
  • Her screams were heard by nearby hikers, who intervened and called 911.

Emily (narrating Ariel’s actions): “She also claims that she was trying to reason with him the same time... You're gonna go to jail. Our kids will be orphans.” (17:24-17:35)

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Evidence and Aftermath (19:20 – 22:09)

• Evidence Found:
  • A blood-stained lava rock was recovered; believed to have DNA from both parties.
  • The syringe and vial Ariel described were not recovered at the scene, raising questions regarding her testimony. (19:46)
  • Three days after, Ariel found a fanny pack at home with syringes and Propofol vials matching what she described.
• Prosecutors allege: Gerhardt admitted to his 19-year-old son (from a previous marriage), via FaceTime, that he “tried to kill Ariel, but she had gotten away.” (22:09)
• Gerhardt was arrested and denied bail, remaining in custody since March 2025.

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Legal Strategies & Trial Developments (30:51 – 38:42)

• Prosecution: Must prove intent to kill for the attempted murder charge.
• Defense:
  • Claims volatile marital argument, Ariel as the aggressor, Gerhardt acted in self-defense.
  • Emphasizes lack of syringe/vial recovery to challenge Ariel’s credibility.
  • Will likely put Gerhardt on the stand (anticipated courtroom drama).
• Evidence Supporting Prosecution:
  • Ariel’s testimony about the attack; she described terrain, Gerhardt’s increasingly aggressive behavior.
  • Blood-stained rock with both DNA samples.
  • Bodycam footage of Ariel at the scene, visibly wounded and traumatized (30:08).
  • Shane notes: “She had blood all over. It looked really bad.” (30:17)
• Upcoming: Gerhardt is set to testify, which both hosts believe will be a pivotal and dramatic trial moment.

Emily: “Because we've had testimony from ... the forensics person ... the blood found on the lava rock is her DNA. And then there was also, I believe, DNA found on the rock attributed to him. So now we've solidified that he did pick up the rock...” (37:12-37:24)
Shane: “He's going to try to break him.” (38:01) (Regarding the prosecutor’s likely approach in cross-examination)

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Memorable & Notable Moments

• Anecdotes: Shane discusses hiking on volcanic islands and how sharp lava rocks are, adding personal color and levity to the show (06:36–07:30).
• Victim Appearance Strategy: Emily speculates that Ariel’s plain, makeup-free courtroom appearance is a strategic move to build jury sympathy.

  “She looks like she could be harmed. Do you know what I mean? It's like a subconscious thing. Like you look at her and you think she looks weak, she looks like a victim.” (24:44)

• Reflection on Motive: Deep discussion on why individuals like Dr. Koenig, with successful careers, would choose murder over divorce.

  Shane: "He wants her dead. He wants her out of the picture." (34:41) Emily: "I'll never understand why divorce isn't an option." (34:33)

• Public Service Announcement:

  Emily: “Again, our public service message to all our listeners out there is that divorce is always the better option.” (39:45)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [04:49] – Introduction to Gerhardt & Ariel Koenig, case context
• [06:15] – Description of the alleged attack and Ariel's survival
• [09:42] – Timeline: marital turmoil and “emotional affair” background
• [14:14] – Step-by-step account of the hiking incident and attack
• [17:04] – Ariel’s fight for survival and details about the struggle (“She bit his forearm and she grabbed his testicles…”)
• [19:20] – Evidence (lava rock, missing syringe) and issue of trying to conceal/ditch evidence
• [22:09] – Gerhardt’s alleged admission over FaceTime to his son
• [30:08] – Discussion of bodycam footage and the prosecution’s burden to prove intent
• [37:12] – Forensics and DNA evidence basics
• [38:01] – Anticipation of Gerhardt’s testimony and cross-examination

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Notable Quotes

• Emily: “He allegedly pushed his wife Ariel toward a cliff, tried to inject her with a syringe and struck her repeatedly with a lava rock.” (06:15)
• Shane (on emotional affairs): “There's no such thing as an emotional affair.” (09:58)
• Emily: “She also claims that she was trying to reason with him the same time because she was saying, oh, yeah, don't do this.” (17:24)
• Shane: “She bit his forearm and she grabbed his testicles is what she said. Yeah... Good for her. She was doing everything she could to not let him take over her.” (17:15-17:18)
• Emily: "I'll never understand why divorce isn’t an option." (34:33)
• Shane: “That guy had a smug and a smirk on his face non stop.” (35:48)
• Emily (public service message): “Divorce is always the better option.” (39:45)

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Episode Tone & Final Takeaways

• Mix of humor and gravity: The hosts maintain their characteristically light and irreverent banter while thoroughly dissecting the disturbing subject matter, often using dark humor (“You can’t buy your way to that…” “Divorce is always the better option…”).
• Critical perspectives: Both Emily and Shane are openly critical of the defense’s arguments and skeptical about Gerhardt’s innocence or defensive claims.
• Engagement with listeners: Emily references DMs and encourages listeners to suggest cases and provide feedback.
• Anticipation for outcome: The episode ends with the trial ongoing; the hosts intend to cover Gerhardt’s testimony and the verdict in future updates.

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Useful For

• Listeners wanting an in-depth recap of the Gerhardt Koenig case
• True crime followers interested in trial strategies and courtroom dynamics
• Fans of Legally Brunette’s tone, chemistry, and blend of analysis with humor
• Anyone who missed the episode but wants a thorough, timestamped breakdown

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To Suggest Cases or Give Feedback:
DM Emily Simpson on Instagram; follow “Legally Brunette” on your podcast app for future updates and expanded coverage.

Public Service Reminder: If you're ever tempted to plan a "reconciling hike" after marital issues, "divorce is always the better option." (39:45)

Transcript

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi guys. Welcome to Legally Brunette presents Till Death Do Us Part, where we break down cases of Wives committing crimes against husbands and husbands against wives.

[Shane]

Namely homicide.

[Emily Simpson]

Mostly homicide, yes. And I felt like if we ever ran out of homicide cases, we could move into, you know, attempted murder or other types of things. But there doesn't seem to be a lack of homicide cases out there.

[Shane]

So it's not an economy driven crime.

[Emily Simpson]

It's. There's a lot. So, anyway, I'll be your host, Emily Simpson, along with my co pilot over here, Shane. And Shane's. I know you guys can't see, but he's drinking a Big Gulp. And just in case you were wondering visually what Shane looks like at the moment. Oh, also, by the way, before we get into this, a lot of you guys send me dms, which I love about the podcast. And first of all, the first takeaway I have is that so many of you have said that you enjoy Shane because he's been talking a lot more and has a lot more opinions and you love to hear him talk. And I appreciate that. But the second I got a lot

[Shane]

of DMS about, it's because you're talking less.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. I got a lot of DMS about how funny people thought you were that you just. I don't know, that you. You have the. Your fascination, your hate fascination with Meghan Markle,

[Shane]

as ever.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. How's that going?

[Shane]

I don't know. I should order some jam and some Wickless candles.

[Emily Simpson]

All right.

[Shane]

I know Wickless candles is just wax. It's like, do you want a. A cup of wax?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

That's all she sold?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. Do you have any new hatred towards her or.

[Shane]

I'm not seeing anything. Right. Lately.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, well, for the next podcast, could you please. Could you please maybe some Instagram stories of her so we could get your feedback?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Shane]

It's not just me. Netflix doesn't want her either.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, it's you and Netflix.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Did Netflix reach out to you and ask you how you feel about her podcast?

[Shane]

Flopped.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she's just a flop all around, right?

[Shane]

Yeah, she's trying to be. She's trying to buy her way to be the next Martha Stewart, and it's not working out.

[Emily Simpson]

You can't buy your way to that. You just have to be that.

[Shane]

Yes, that's right. You earn it.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, so today we are going to get into the case of Gerhard Koenig and his wife, Ariel Koenig. And if you have been following Court TV at all, or the news, or my news source, Instagram, you would see that this case is on trial right now. Also, we did an episode a year ago on Legally Brunette, but it was a brief overview of this case because it, when it first came out and it came out publicly, there wasn't a lot of information. Now that he is going to trial, we are following along with the trial, so we're going to take another deep dive into this. And also it has to do with the husband trying to murder his wife. So it works out well for till death do us part. Gerhard Koenig is a 47 year old Maui anesthesiologist who was arrested back in 2024 in connection with the attempted murder of his wife while the couple was hiking together in Hawaii. According to investigators, Dr. Koenig allegedly pushed his wife Ariel. She's 37 year old. She's a nuclear scientist. Did you know that?

[Shane]

Yeah, I did, actually. She was a stay at home nuclear scientist.

[Emily Simpson]

A stay at. What's the stay at home nuclear science

[Shane]

like a stay at home mom, But I think she used to be a nuclear scientist.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, that's like when it's like, you know,

[Shane]

remotely. I don't think.

[Emily Simpson]

You don't think you get to work from home as a nuclear. Well, I mean, I guess if you're in front of a computer, but I don't even know what nuclear scientist means. It sounds very scientific and intelligent.

[Shane]

Yes, it is.

[Emily Simpson]

So he allegedly pushed his wife Ariel toward a cliff, tried to inject her with a syringe and struck her repeatedly with a lava rock. Luckily, his wife survived this attack and can live to tell her story, which is what she's doing now during the trial. I. We watched her testimony last night.

[Shane]

Lava rocks are sharp.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Extremely sharp.

[Emily Simpson]

We'll get into that. Gerhard Conan.

[Shane]

Ask me how I know.

[Emily Simpson]

How do you know?

[Shane]

Cuz I climbed a volcano once.

[Emily Simpson]

You climbed a volcano?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

Where?

[Shane]

And the rock is sharp. Where did you climb a volcano in Cape Verde? The Cape Verdan Islands where I lived for almost a year. There was active volcanoes and the whole island, it was ash. And then when you walk on the beach, it was. It was black sand because it was ash or volcanic rock. And it's very sharp. You couldn't really walk barefoot.

[Emily Simpson]

Very easy. Was it an active volcano that was

[Shane]

smoke coming out all the time? Yes.

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[Emily Simpson]

Do you want to explain why you spent a year in Cape Verd?

[Shane]

Well, I was on a church mission.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

For my church. And it covered Portugal and Cape Verde and islands.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

So I was in Portugal for a year and then Cape Verde for a year.

[Emily Simpson]

Do you speak Portuguese?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

What do you speak in Cape Verd criolo. Do you speak that?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

I love. I love getting these little Shane Simpson anecdotes.

[Shane]

You knew I spoke.

[Emily Simpson]

I was just asking because I know

[Shane]

that the audience in a long time, though, so. A little rusty.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, back to Dr. Koenig. We'll just take.

[Shane]

But if you ever want to take a trip to a third world country.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

We can go to the Cape Verdean Islands.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. Well, I do talk about field trips for legally brunette, but I don't know if a crime has taken place there.

[Shane]

Oh, there's crimes there?

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, yeah. Well, we should look one up and talk about it. Koenig has pleaded not guilty and faces a charge of attempted second degree murder. And if convicted, he could face life in prison. Let's just go back and take a little dive into this timeline and the details of what actually life.

[Shane]

And it should be life in prison because even if he didn't succeed in murdering her, you don't want this guy on the loose.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, here's the thing.

[Shane]

And. Do it again. And who's. Who would want to date a guy like this? Like, oh, oh, you were married before. Oh, what happened? How did. Why didn't it work out?

[Emily Simpson]

What do you mean? Who would want to date a guy like this? We have had so many conversations about these.

[Shane]

You're right. I forget you women will date murderers.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. I just saw an update. As I was researching and looking at this case, some. Some other information came up about Wade Wilson and was another woman that he was in some serious relationship with that was talking about how they were going to get married, and then they were making references to Wade's wives. So, you know, even if for some reason.

[Shane]

Okay, but he's in jail. And I think that's an appeal to. To those people for whatever psycho reason that's the appeal to them. If this guy's out on the street, you know, like regular, and you're at a restaurant with them, and then you. You Google him and you come to learn that he tried to kill his wife. Yeah, well, yeah, you're not going to pursue that relationship.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, someone will.

[Shane]

Someone, Someone will.

[Emily Simpson]

But he is not going to claim that he tried to kill his wife. We know that the defense is trying

[Shane]

to say he's a weak man and she tried to hit him with that.

[Emily Simpson]

They were just having a volatile relationship on their hike and that she attacked him and that he was just, you know, he was. It was self defense.

[Shane]

All right, so they're on a cliff.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, let's get. Let's get into it. So March 24th of 2025. So this was actually one year ago. The couple were celebrating Ariel's birthday in Oahu, Hawaii. This comes after a months long rough patch after Ariel admitted to having an emotional affair with her co worker.

[Shane]

There's no such thing as an emotional affair.

[Emily Simpson]

I was just gonna ask you how you feel about when people define something as an emotional affair. You know what emotional affair means? Emotional affair means I didn't have sex with them.

[Shane]

I don't even know if it means that.

[Emily Simpson]

It does. It means I no.

[Shane]

Emotional.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes it is emotional affair.

[Shane]

It's a cover up.

[Emily Simpson]

No, an emotion. By saying emotional affair, that means that we were just connecting and texting.

[Shane]

If it truly was. If it truly was an emotional affair. But I'm sorry, it wasn't. I don't even know these people. But I'm telling you, it likely wasn't.

[Emily Simpson]

Probably not. She probably did have sex with him.

[Shane]

Okay, so.

[Emily Simpson]

But I'm saying when people classify an affair as an emotional affair, that's their way of trying to say they didn't physically. There wasn't any physicality going on. They were just connecting like soul mates. Not having sex. That's what emotional affair means. Well, you can say it's BS all day long.

[Shane]

I'm just saying all day long.

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[Emily Simpson]

Okay, so they were hiking the Palipuka Trail, a narrow cliffside path that stands 1200ft high, according to police reports. In Ariel's initial statement, Gerhard had asked her to take a selfie near the cliff's edge. When she declined because she felt very unsafe, he allegedly became very angry. I mean, can you just. First of all, I'm picturing this in my mind where he's like, let's take a selfie. No, no, no. Back up.

[Shane]

No, no, no. Be within 6 inches of the edge.

[Emily Simpson]

Back. More, more. So anyway, I know during her testimony we were Watching, she says that she felt so unsafe that she grabbed onto a tree. And she's holding onto a tree, right? And I'm sure when she grabs. That was not part of his plan. I'm sure when she is holding on to this tree, he's like, well, now how am I gonna throw her off?

[Shane]

Nothing works for me.

[Emily Simpson]

She's anchored herself down. So he allegedly becomes very upset that she doesn't want to keep getting closer to the edge. And she's holding on to a tree. She claims during her testimony that he goes up to her and he like grabs her by the shoulders. And then at the next point he, I guess he tries to push her towards the edge and that they struggle with each other. And then she actually falls to the ground. I think that's the way she saves herself.

[Shane]

First he says, I'm sick of this.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of you. Yeah. So they go from having a lovely walk on her birthday, I guess even that morning, he gave her a birthday card that had like all these nice things written.

[Shane]

This guy was creating a story. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was like. And he had dinner reservations and this is a great moment. So he could be like, look, I just. Why would I throw her off?

[Emily Simpson]

I gave her a card.

[Shane]

Dinner reservations, right?

[Emily Simpson]

So, so then when he comes, becomes aggressive with her and he like grabs her and he's like, I'm sick of this and I'm sick of you. And we're done with you.

[Shane]

I of the tree.

[Emily Simpson]

I call it the tree. This is when she ends up on the ground. I assume that she went to the ground cuz she knows she's close to the edge.

[Shane]

That might have been that the way

[Emily Simpson]

to feel safe is to like.

[Shane]

Yeah, lower center of gravity, right?

[Emily Simpson]

And she's holding on to like shrubbery and bushes.

[Shane]

That's exactly what she described, right?

[Emily Simpson]

So then he ends up getting on top of her. He's straddling her, right? He's sitting, he's on top of her. And then they're struggling and he. And she's screaming, help me, help me. He's trying to kill me. And then he ends up picking up a rock. And we know it's a lava rock. And like what you just said was sharp. They're very sharp. And he starts bashing her in the head with this lava rock. And she's screaming and she's screaming for help. She claims that he struck her head repeatedly, reportedly about 10 blows, while also grabbing her hair and forcing her down. So she's on the ground. He's straddling on top of her.

[Shane]

She fought. Yeah, she fought back. Good.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, she.

[Shane]

And he. She even grabbed him in the. The nuts.

[Emily Simpson]

She did. She says she. She bit him.

[Shane]

She bit his forearm and she grabbed

[Emily Simpson]

his testicles is what she said. Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah, because she was. And good for her. She was doing everything she could to not let him take over her.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. She also claims that she was trying to reason with him the same time because she was saying, oh, yeah, don't do this.

[Shane]

I'm gonna die.

[Emily Simpson]

You're gonna go to jail.

[Shane]

Our kids will be orphans.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And she said that he. He took a brief pause before.

[Shane]

But yeah, then.

[Emily Simpson]

But then he.

[Shane]

No, he took a. She said it looked like he took a brief pause, took a breath, like he was almost reflecting on what she said.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

But then he just grabbed some rocks and just bashed her in the head.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Or he might. That might have been the point where she also claims that he was trying. That he grabbed a syringe and he had a syringe in his hand and I guess in his other hand he had a vial of some kind of liquid. This is what she. She claims. And she says that she hit his hand and the syringe flew out of his hand. But while, while all this is going on, she manages to start to crawl away and her screams were heard by two hikers who found her injured. I. We also saw the testimony of. Of one of those hikers that testified in court. She just claims that she and a friend went walking that morning at, like, she even knew the time. She said it was like 10:22am or whatever, and there'd.

[Shane]

Help me, help me, help me.

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Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

And they just. They went up the entrance to this Pali Puka hike and they said they hadn't gone. They were only on the trail for maybe five minutes or something. Which also makes me think what was his. His intent. He must have just felt like he could have pushed her quickly off of the edge because this is a public. This isn't a. This is like a popular.

[Shane]

No, but obviously the story was going to be where we're taking photos and she fell over.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So that's why he was trying to get her to back up as close as she could to the edge and he was just going to push her off that.

[Shane]

So it didn't matter if there was people around as long as they didn't see him actually shove her.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But then she ruined his plans by not backing all the way up, grabbing

[Shane]

onto the tree plans by being a smart woman.

[Emily Simpson]

So she manages to crawl away. Her screams are heard by the two hikers we were talking about who then called 91 1. Gerhardt fled the scene but was later located and arrested by police. Now here's my question because I kept looking this up because I was confused about this. I do know that they. They rec. Heard the rock that he used to hit her in the head with because

[Shane]

it had DNA on it, because it

[Emily Simpson]

had blood on it. And obviously they're going to prove that it has, you know, his DNA and her blood and her DNA, all those things to corroborate her story of what happened. But also I was trying to find information about whether the syringe and the vial were recovered at the scene.

[Shane]

The syringe was not.

[Emily Simpson]

I thought it wasn't. And neither was whatever the vial of liquid is that neither.

[Shane]

I think neither were some of his items like his wallet and his phone were not either.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So it made me think somehow he ditched it or he succeeded.

[Emily Simpson]

My question is because she claims in her testimony that he had the syringe in his hand and that she, you know, hit his hand and it flew. He had to have quickly recovered it and then left the scene while I guess while she was crawling. She said she had to crab crawl. You know what crab crawl is?

[Shane]

Crawling like a crab or your back.

[Emily Simpson]

Like, you know what I mean? Like you're crawling.

[Shane]

She's not scooting on her butt.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, she's crab crawling away. And then I think when. When he realizes that there's people that have seen them and are saying, we're calling 91 1. We're gonna get you help. He had to have grabbed the syringe and vial.

[Shane]

Oh yeah. He used as an opportunity to think, okay, I'm not getting. She's not dead. I'm not getting away with this.

[Emily Simpson]

So he cleaned up, but he didn't take the rock. But I don't know.

[Shane]

Well the others I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

But anyway, that was not recovered from the actual scene. I did read that Ariel, she claimed that she found like a fanny pack or a medical bag or something in their home that had syringes and like a vial in it that looked exactly like what he tried to use that day. But to me it seems like he would have. He would have. This is just dumped it somewhere.

[Shane]

Sloppy work. This guy is just a complete idiot. Well, I know but I mean, I'm glad that he didn't succeed.

[Emily Simpson]

I guess he thought I. I think he thought that it would have Just been easier. Just.

[Shane]

Oh yeah. He probably saw one push like, I hate you. I'm sick of this. And he shoved her and that's the end of it.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, because I think he buttered her up. Right. He gave her that nice card in the morning with all this nice flowery language about how much he loved her. And she testified that she thought that their marriage was now on the right track because there was this affair. But. And he was very jealous and he was angry and she thought like this whole birthday trip and the card and the dinner and everything was his way of like mo moving forward. So I think he thought if he did all of those things, he could just get this magical selfie together right on the edge and just push her off the edge. So then in late March of 2025, Gerhardt was indicted on a charge of second degree attempted murder and pleaded not guilty in Honolulu Circuit Court. A judge denied his bail and he remained in custody.

[Shane]

So he's been in custody ever since.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Prosecutors allege that he also told his 19 year old son, and this is a FaceTime call, that he had, quote, tried to kill Ariel, but she had gotten away. So that's very interesting to me. There's still a couple more weeks of this trial to go.

[Shane]

Then why would, if the dad did say that, why would he call his son to say that?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that wasn't his son with her. That was his son from his previous marriage.

[Shane]

It doesn't matter. Why would he call anyone?

[Commercial Announcer]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

But I'm just telling you he has older children from like a previous marriage. And then he has two young sons

[Shane]

with her and the mother. That mother's still alive?

[Emily Simpson]

I. I believe so. Okay, so the 19 year old that he FaceTimed is not Ariel's biological son. He is Gerhardt's son from a past marriage. And Gerhardt and Ariel have a son together. Had a son together in 2020 and then another one in 2023. So they have very young boys together also. I just wanted to, when I was watching her testify and I was watching the trial, she looks very, very different on the stand than she does in the photographs that they show. So I don't know if you've noticed when they show a photograph, I saw

[Shane]

like a professional photograph, like her in her scientific lab coat or whatever.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I'm just talking.

[Shane]

She was kind of a little glammed up and cleaned up and.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I'm just saying anytime they show a photo of her, even if it's with him, like a selfie with him or with the family or whatever. Like she looks different to me. She has makeup and her hair is done. She's very, very, very plain looking on the stand, which I think was on purpose by her, by her attorneys. I'm sure they want a little bit

[Shane]

more of like an innocent victim.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Because, you know, he, the defense is going to claim that, you know, she had an affair, you know. Oh yeah, he's jealous. And then she was volatile and started some argument and then she was aggressive

[Shane]

with him and then she bashed herself with a lava.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but so I'm saying I think it was a, I think it was a conscious probably choice for her to look very demure. Yeah, but she didn't look and she

[Shane]

didn't change her look. She just didn't dress up.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I'm saying I think that was on purpose because at the end of the day you want to win the jury over. So if you're too attractive, then they could latch on to that. If she has makeup and she looks beautiful and glamorous, it's hard to see someone like as a victim. But when she has no makeup and her hair is simple and she doesn't have a stitch of, of mascara or anything on her face, I think the jury taps into that. She looks like she could be harmed. Do you know what I mean? It's like a subconscious thing. Like you look at her and you think she looks weak, she looks like a victim.

[Shane]

I don't judge people by the way they look.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, juries do. Juries do. And I'm telling you, I judge them by the inside. Right.

[Shane]

I get to know them first.

[Emily Simpson]

Sure.

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2025 to 2026 is pretrial and evidence collection during this case. So police collected evidence from the hiking area, including a blood stained rock. There was also a backpack found. But I'm still kind of fuzzy on whether the backpack was found at the scene or whether he took the backpack with him and then it was recovered later when they arrested him later. I don't know. I feel like these details that are a little fuzzy will come out more as we go along. In the trial with testimony three days after the incident, Ariel Koenig reported that she did find a fanny pack containing a medical syringe, needles and drug vials. And the drug vials were identified as Propofol. I guess that's how you put. Is that how you put people to sleep? Propofol?

[Shane]

I. I don't know. I don't put people to sleep.

[Emily Simpson]

You don't put just.

[Shane]

I can look it up though.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. Propofol. This was found in the couple's home in Maui. And that she testified that these matched the items that she saw him try to use during the attack. But the vials from the scene have not been recovered.

[Shane]

So again, it's used to. For general anesthesia, which would put her to sleep. Yeah. Or at least. Yeah, enough that he could shove her off the cliff.

[Emily Simpson]

But here's my question.

[Shane]

It would be in her blood system.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So that's why he. But why would you bring it along? Because you wouldn't want to put it in her system. Because if she did fall off and they do an autopsy, they're going to find that in her system and then they're going to link him to it.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

So I don't know in what world he thought that was a smart idea to do.

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

There's also body cam footage of Ariel at the scene, wounded and assisted by hikers, that was later shown to the jury. Did you see that?

[Mariah Rose]

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[Shane]

She had blood all over. It looked really bad. I know that they tried to say it wasn't. It like she bled a lot, but the incisions weren't so bad or something like that. But it looked bad.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Well, here's the thing.

[Shane]

She also looked really thrown off, like they were, you know, she was really a mess.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, I saw. And the body cam foot, they were like wrapping her head.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

With gauze and she had blood all over her. You know, in order to, to find him guilty of attempted murder, the prosecution has the burden of proving that he intended to kill her that day.

[Shane]

Right. Not just hit her on the head,

[Emily Simpson]

not just hit her, not just injure her, not just push her down. They have to prove that he, his intent was to kill her. What the defense is going to do is try to downplay this whole thing into just some altercation that the two of them had and that he had no intent to kill her. So then on March 19th of 2026, this is when the trial begins. The attempted murder trial officially opens. Prosecutors outline their case, focusing on evidence and witness accounts of the attack. The defense argues that the incident was not attempted murder. Obviously, they're going to claim that he had no intent to actually kill her that day, but instead they're going to claim that. They claim that self defense.

[Shane]

It was hopeful she would die, but he did not intend to.

[Emily Simpson]

He did not intend to kill her. They claim self defense. And they also are going to contest elements such as the presence of the syringes. So obviously the defense is really going to focus on the fact that those syringes were never found at the scene, and that's going to go to her believability. That's what they're going to do. Right. They're going to say she's invented this story.

[Shane]

Not found doesn't mean they didn't exist. It just means not found.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Not seeing something doesn't prove it doesn't exist.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly. But it, but the defense is going to latch onto that. They're going to pound that into the jury's head. That there, that she claims that there were syringes and a vi.

[Shane]

Did exist, is that lava, rock and blood all over her head.

[Emily Simpson]

Whether a confession was actually made, which is the FaceTime, and whether Ariel is a credible witness. So those are the things that the jury is going to have to figure out. Ariel Koenig took the stand and provided detailed testimony about the day of the attack. You know, we talked a little bit about her testifying because we did watch it, but she recounted hiking and feeling uneasy about the location due to its dangerous terrain and wind. I did read that the trail is very like, there's, there's areas that are very steep that you have to climb up, and then it, it gets very close.

[Shane]

It's not just like a path, right?

[Emily Simpson]

No, it's a. It's a popular hiking trail, but I think it's kind of strenuous. And, and, you know, there's a drop off. She also testified that after they took a selfie on the cliff, as she began to move away from the edge, Gerhardt, who was facing the cliff, allegedly grabbed her arm and yelled, I'm so effing done with this and get back over there. While trying to pull her toward the edge. I love that when his. His plan starts to fail because she won't get close, he just loses his mind and he just starts yelling at her, and he's like, get back over to that spot.

[Shane]

He. He didn't do a very good job.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she's alive.

[Shane]

I know. I know. Well, he also underestimated her ability to fight back. But, you know, like, announcing, I'm gonna throw you off the cliff is pretty much what he did. That obviously put her on guard.

[Emily Simpson]

When did he do that?

[Shane]

When he said, like, I'm sick of this, and he, like, he. I think he grabs both sides of her.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, that's kind of implying I'm gonna throw you off a cliff.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, for her to be on guard and. And start to defend herself.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So I guess it was good he said that because he gave her a little bit of notice.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

How does. How do people like that become a doctor? Like, how do you go through the. The all. I don't mean because he's a doctor, but all that work and all that diligence and all that planning and school. Pursuing something.

[Emily Simpson]

Education.

[Shane]

Yeah. And then. And then, you know, you're willing to throw it all. Then the way you solve problems, you try to kill someone.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. But that's the question. Is it because he's a doctor that he has some God complex and he has some ego problem, and he does feel like the way that he can take care of this problem is just to throw her off of a cliff instead of getting divorced? I'll never understand why divorce isn't an option.

[Shane]

Well, it is an option. He chose death instead.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but that. But it wasn't an option for him. Why is throwing his wife off of a cliff and.

[Shane]

Because he wants her dead. He wants her out of the picture.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Doesn't want the kids to see her. He doesn't want her. And so that's more important than, like, you know, her living to him. Now he's in jail. His trip to Honolulu is a little bit longer than planned by about 25 years to life.

[Emily Simpson]

25 years to life. What do you think his sentence should be? Do you think he should get Right.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Emily Simpson]

Life in prison.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

You do believe that he set out that day with the intent to kill her.

[Shane]

Yes. I watched her testimony and by the way she looked and the way she had composed herself and that she didn't have any makeup on, I believed her.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh my gosh. Well, too bad you're not on the jury then.

[Shane]

No, it was pretty believable.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, yeah, she's believable.

[Shane]

I thought, I thought her fighting back was something else. I mean, she, she never let go. She was constantly protecting herself. And then for her to go up there and testify like that, that was pretty awesome.

[Emily Simpson]

Right?

[Shane]

That guy, that guy had a smug and a smirk on his face non stop.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I, the first day of testimony when they showed pictures of her, her injuries, he. He was crying because he got caught. Well, I think he. Well, I don't know why probably, but. But he was crying in court during that part. So I don't know. Here's the real question and this is the interesting part because the defense is claiming that. That he had no intent to kill her. Right. And that it was a scuffle and that she started in this and the rock was. Because he was defending himself. That's there.

[Shane]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

It's self defense. Right. They're going to put him on the stand. He's going to testify on his own behalf.

[Shane]

Well, he's choosing to. He didn't have to.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, when that's your defense, then I believe like you, you have to tell your side of the story. So he's going to testify and the question is, is the jury going to find anything that he says to be believable?

[Shane]

Not if he's got that smirk on his face.

[Emily Simpson]

He shouldn't wear any makeup though.

[Shane]

No, he should.

[Emily Simpson]

He should look very demure.

[Shane]

He's. Yeah, it'll be, it'll be a good one to watch because when the defendant goes on the stand, it's much more interesting.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh yes, it is.

[Shane]

Than witnesses and cops.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Just saying what they saw.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Because we've had testimony from.

[Shane]

Because it opens up a whole can of worms.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Because there's been all the cops that have testified about what they saw that day. And you know, the footage, the witnesses have testified. There was also, I believe, a forensics person or a medical examiner someone test. Or a forensics person testified to the fact that like the blood found on the lava rock is her DNA. And then there was also, I believe, DNA found on the rock attributed to him. So now we've solidified that he did pick up the rock and that the blood was attributed to her. That was on the rock. Rock. But the interesting part is what's coming up, because you're right. I want to see him on the stand. I want to see how he answers questions. I want to see if he stays calm because really the prosecutor wants to irritate him. Right. He wants to get under his skin and show that he's, he's angry, that he's volatile.

[Shane]

He's going to try to break him.

[Emily Simpson]

He's going to try to break him. You can't handle the truth. That we need that moment.

[Shane]

What's that from?

[Emily Simpson]

That's from A Few Good Men. Have you ever seen that movie where the, where they. He just, just he, he goes out. It's. It's Tom Cruise and he's, he's cross examining and then he's, he's questioning him and questioning him and questioning him, and then he loses it. He just breaks the facade and he just goes and he's like, you can't handle the truth. And he just says all the things that he shouldn't say. So I'm saying we need a Few Good men moment with Dr. Koenig where he just loses it. And he's like, yeah, I wanted to take her out. I wanted to push her over the cliff. She's a. All right, so we'll see. Maybe that'll happen.

[Shane]

Maybe.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. All right. So the trial is actively in progress with no verdict yet. As we were talking about that Dr. Koenig.

[Shane]

Jack Nicholson in that movie.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. Okay, now we need to watch it.

[Shane]

I can picture him saying the. Because I think I've probably seen a clip.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, It's a good 90s movie. Yeah, it's a good lawyer movie. You would like it.

[Shane]

Oh, it sounds like a little dramatic.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it is, but it's a good movie.

[Shane]

Well, it's Jack Nicholson.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. Yeah.

[Shane]

So it's gotta be good.

[Emily Simpson]

It is. All right, so there's no verdict yet. However, we will continue to follow this trial because we definitely want to talk about Dr. Conan.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Testimony, cross examination, which should be interesting, but we'll see. We're going to follow it and we will give you an update. It's fascinating and it's, it's everywhere. I feel like when we first talked about it a year ago on Just the Regular Lily Brunette, we did an episode on this. There wasn't much information and I don't feel like the media had really grabbed on to it yet. That I just thought it was really interesting.

[Shane]

Yeah. We just know this guy that had a medical bag and he tried right Right. And we, yeah, we didn't know all the details. We still don't know all the details.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But obviously now there's more information because of the trial and the testimony. But now this case is, is huge. Every time I. There's so many articles and so many video clips. Yeah, it's, it's out there. So everybody's talking about it. So anyway, we wanted to follow the trial and do an update and do a more in depth, depth episode on this case. So anyway, again, our public service message to all our listeners out there is that divorce is always the better option. So if you are feeling like you want to go on a hike to Hawaii with your significant other and push them over. Yeah. On the Pali Puka is. What was it? Puka Pali. I don't know the Puka Pali.

[Shane]

Any trail really, for that matter, that has a cliff.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

When you're patching things up after an affair.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

It's probably best to be at sea level.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And I would say either you just have to move on from the affair or get divorced. Those are your two options. So anyway, thank you so much you guys for listening to Till death do Us Part. And if you have any suggestions of cases, please DM me on Instagram. I love to read those. Also, if you have any feedback, I love to hear that as well. And also please make sure to follow Legally Brunette wherever you listen to podcasts and and another reminder that our episodes do go into the 2T's network so you can listen to our episodes there. But all of our episodes are on our own feed. So if you're only listening to us through two T's, you're going to have to hop over and also listen to all of our episodes on the Legally Brunette feed. So anyway, thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you.

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