Legally Brunette: The Duggar Family

Summary

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Legally Brunette: The Duggar Family

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: Emily Simpson & Shane Simpson
Episode Theme:
A hard-hitting legal commentary episode focusing on high-profile updates in the Blake Lively & Justin Baldoni lawsuit, Melissa Gilbert and Timothy Busfield, Savannah Guthrie’s family crisis, developments in the Ted Bundy cold case, and a deep-dive into the continuing scandals of the Duggar family—this time centering on the recent arrest of Joseph Duggar for alleged sexual abuse and other endangerment charges.

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Episode Overview

Emily and Shane unpack legal and ethical questions around a series of ongoing celebrity and true crime news stories, closing the episode with a detailed, sensitive review of the escalating criminal allegations involving members of the Duggar family. The tone is analytical, at times irreverent, with candid asides and clear calls for accountability.

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Main Discussion Segments and Key Insights

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1. Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni: Legal Update

Timestamps: 02:17–14:40

• Summary:
  Emily and Shane recap the latest dramatic ruling in Blake Lively’s lawsuit against Justin Baldoni and his production company.

  • Background: Lively sued for sexual harassment, unwanted contact, and conspiracy in 2024.
  • Ruling: Out of 13 claims, 10—including sexual harassment and defamation—were dismissed on summary judgment. Only breach of contract and retaliation move forward.

• Legal Analysis:

  • The judge considered context—actions taken during a love scene in character are not the same as a workplace violation.
    • “If this conduct happened in a factory or office, it could support a harassment claim. But here it occurred during an acting session... two people filming a movie about being deeply in love.” —Emily Simpson (05:45)
  • On Lively’s employment status: Her extensive “producer” self-description hurt her argument:
    • “She wrote out 77 bullet points as to how she contributed... beyond just being an employee... that kind of stripped her of her employee status.” —Emily Simpson (09:01)
  • Intimacy Coordinator: Lively waived the option for an intimacy coordinator, undermining her own protections.

• On Public Response:
  Emily calls out Lively’s perceived arrogance and media strategy, wondering if Lively regrets filing the suit:

  • “She went into it with a big head and a big ego... thinking she was just going to take this man down and everyone was going to side with her.” (04:52)
  • Discussion of a quickly deleted Lively Instagram post,
    • “She posted it and then… someone called her and said, no, no, you need to take that down. That doesn’t look good.” —Emily Simpson (11:09)
  • Judges’ positive comments on certain claims highlighted by Lively in her deleted post, but hosts note “10 of the biggest claims were thrown out.” (12:01)
  • Upcoming trial date set for retaliation claim: May 18.

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2. Melissa Gilbert & Timothy Busfield: Marrying with Allegations

Timestamps: 19:20–22:02

• Key Details:
  Melissa Gilbert said she was aware of sexual assault allegations against her husband Timothy Busfield before marriage.

  • “How do you go into an interview and say that you knew that he had sexual assault allegations and you still marry someone? I would never marry someone that had someone claiming that there were sexual assault allegations against them.” —Emily Simpson (20:00)
  • Background: Two previous accusations (1990s and 2012), settled and closed with no charges, but current child sexual abuse allegations remain.
  • Gilbert maintains her belief in her husband’s innocence and says, “everyone’s already been talking about that.”

• Hosts’ Take:
  Skeptical and critical, paralleling public rationalizations with patterns seen in other cases.

  • “Say anything you want, last person to hurt a child, blah, blah, blah... It’s probably the first sign of a pedophile.”—Shane Simpson (21:17, 21:58)

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3. Savannah Guthrie’s Family Tragedy: A Cold Case in the Spotlight

Timestamps: 22:02–24:37

• News Recap:
  Savannah Guthrie’s mother still missing after a suspected abduction; 60+ days have passed with no ransom exchange or solid leads.
  • “All that news coverage, which is helpful in getting tips... and today, where are we at? She's missing.” —Shane Simpson (23:16)
  • Hosts express doubts and critique the lack of investigative advancement and first-time lead investigator’s experience.

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4. Ted Bundy: Cold Case Closed with New DNA

Timestamps: 24:38–28:18

• What’s New:
  A Utah teen (Laura Ann Aim) officially confirmed as a Bundy victim with modern DNA testing; case now closed.
  • Impressed by advances in forensic technology, Emily compares DNA tech advancements to AI proliferation.
    • “It was a slow trickle of things being solved because of DNA and now it’s just like...” —Emily Simpson (27:04)

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5. The Duggar Family: New Charges and a Pattern of Abuse

Timestamps: 33:31–54:01
Content Warning: Sex-related crimes involving minors.

A. Who’s Who and What Happened?

• Joseph Duggar (not the father, but one of over 19 siblings) arrested March 2026 for molesting a 9-year-old girl during a 2020 family vacation in Florida.

  • “He was 25 at the time of this incident… involving a nine year old in Florida.” —Emily Simpson (36:50)
  • Admitted inappropriate contact in a forensic interview, but pleaded not guilty.

• After arrest, he and his wife Kendra were hit with new unrelated charges: child endangerment and false imprisonment—locks on the outside of their kids’ bedroom doors a likely factor.

• Family Reaction:
  Some siblings support the victim; much reference to ongoing trauma from previous scandals—especially brother Josh Duggar.

B. Background on Duggar Scandals

• Josh Duggar (oldest brother):
  • As a teen, molested several girls (including sisters); convicted in 2021 of possessing child sexual abuse material, now serving 12 years.
  • Pattern emerges: two brothers facing criminal sexual allegations linked to children.

C. Hosts’ Analysis & Commentary

• Irreverent yet serious tone:

  • “Are you just statistically going to have a criminal in there somewhere because you have so many kids… or is there something going on in the household that is strange and creepy that is making these men be pedophiles?” —Emily Simpson (38:42)
  • “How are the kids held accountable for anything? How are they… You have two people watching 19 kids. That’s… not normal.” —Shane Simpson (39:13)
  • “If you as a mother and father cannot have the time to take care of number 19, maybe you shouldn’t have number 19.” —Shane Simpson (41:52)

• Nature vs Nurture Debate:
  Whether pedophilic behavior in two siblings is bad luck, nature, or a result of family environment/parental absence.

  • “We always talk about nature vs nurture. Are these two boys pedophiles because of a lack of structure, religion, or just who knows what?” —Emily Simpson (41:12)

• On Family Reputation and Public Perception:

  • “The religious facade of someone being so religious that you would leave your kid with them because you think they're a good person... and that doesn't always [protect children].” —Emily Simpson (45:42)
  • Criticism of “protecting reputation” versus children’s safety.

D. Details of the New Allegations

• 2020 Florida incident:

  • Joseph reportedly had the girl sit on his lap, sat with her under a blanket and touched her inappropriately; victim says he apologized and stopped, but family expected to notice (“If my nine year old daughter is sitting on a couch with an adult male next to her and a blanket over the two of them, I am going to think that's flipping weird…” —Emily, 45:06)

• Charges in Arkansas:
  After search, Joseph and Kendra are charged with child endangerment and false imprisonment relating to their own four children (locks found on the outside of bedroom doors).

  • “False imprisonment doesn't necessarily mean you trap them in a basement… it could simply be 'I wanted to leave my bedroom and he stood in front of the door.'” —Shane Simpson (49:03)

• Kendra released on bail and separated from the kids for a month; house being rented out for income.

• Josh Duggar’s lawyer statement (deflects accountability, maintains accusations are “sensationalized fiction” despite conviction and prior abuse claims).

• On Kendra’s future with Joseph:
  Emily is direct:

  • “If I found out something like that about you, I would not be like, we’ll talk about this when you get out of jail… I don’t feel like anyone can actually… can you be cured from that?” (53:40)

E. Notable Quotes

• “They’re pedophiles and it’s two of them against the law.” —Emily Simpson (34:57)
• “Just because you can biologically continue to have kids doesn’t mean you should.” —Emily Simpson (42:32)
• “As a parent, if my nine year old daughter is sitting on a couch with an adult male… and a blanket over the two of them, I am going to think that's flipping weird and I am going to say something.” —Emily Simpson (45:06)
• “That’s what happens when you have so many siblings and your house is so big and you have so many things going on. You don’t know that the oldest brother is abusing three of your daughters…” —Emily Simpson (43:32)
• “They're just sick in the head.” —Emily Simpson (52:19)

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Final Thoughts

Emily and Shane close with a pledge to keep listeners updated, highlight the value of listener tips and recommendations (“I love it when you guys send me DMs on Instagram…” —Emily, 54:44), and remind the audience to check the Legally Brunette feed for more in-depth episodes.

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Quick Reference Timestamps

• Blake Lively/Justin Baldoni Case: 02:17–14:40
• Melissa Gilbert & Timothy Busfield: 19:20–22:02
• Savannah Guthrie Case Update: 22:02–24:37
• Ted Bundy DNA Break: 24:38–28:18
• Duggar Family Overview & New Arrests: 33:31–54:01

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Note: This episode discusses allegations of child sexual abuse in detail; listener discretion strongly advised for the Duggar segment.

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[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, you always brag about reading in detail, and then this one, you're like, nothing.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it was. It was a lot. It was very in depth. So what we're going to do is just break it down and try to make it a little more simplified. So a little background on the case. Lively did sue Baldoni and his production company, wayfarer, back in 2024, alleging sexual harassment during filming, unwanted physical contact, improperly adding sex scenes, a coordinated PR smear campaign, and Defamat conspiracy related to that alleged campaign. So the judge just recently, what the judge ruled on was a summary judgment that was initiated by Baldoni.

[Shane Simpson]

Well, and a summary judgment is.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, basically what he was asking was that the court dismiss the claims, saying that there wasn't factual evidence or there wasn't. There was some, like, if you look

[Shane Simpson]

at everything the other side said and if everything they say is true, there is no claim.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So the judge. The judge dismissed 10 of Blake Lively's 13 claims. So really the big ones were the ones that were dismissed. The sexual harassment, defamation, and conspiracy claims were all thrown out. And, you know, I was just thinking about it again. Remember how we, when we did the earlier episodes, just talking about how much we dislike Blake Lively. And my opinion on her has not changed at all. And I was just reminded of how much I wonder if she could go back in time if she regrets filing the this lawsuit in the first place. Because, you know, she went into it with a big head and a big ego, thinking that she was just going to take this man down and that everyone publicly was going to side with her. And we were talking about how she needed no people in her life. And I still agree with that.

[Shane Simpson]

No, she needed people in her life and they needed to be no people. Not yes people.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. She needs, quote, no people in her life. Like, you're a no person. That's why I feel like I'm so grounded. Oh, yeah, I'm very grounded.

[Shane Simpson]

No, you're not.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, I am so grounded.

[Shane Simpson]

A lot of more no people.

[Emily Simpson]

No, because Shane is a no person. So I don't just. If you remember that she alleged sexual Harassment based upon. This is just one of the scenes. Do you remember the dance scene where he allegedly kissed her forehead and rubbed her face and mouth against.

[Shane Simpson]

Said she smelled good or something?

[Emily Simpson]

She smelled good. You know, it was interesting what the judge said. He said if this conduct happened in a factory or in an office type setting, it could support a harassment claim. But here it occurred during an acting session in a consent where two people are filming a movie about being deeply in love.

[Shane Simpson]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Also, one other thing to consider. If for some reason when they were filming that scene, if the judge did rule that that is considered sexual harassment, that maybe at some point he went outside the bounds of his character, which I don't know how you could figure that out, but let's say he, he did. Maybe, I don't know. But that's a very slippery slope for actors. Because if a judge ruled that that's considered sexual harassment. In what realm?

[Shane Simpson]

Well, no, but this goes back to. Weren't they supposed to have some love consultant or something?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they were supposed to have like, what's it called? An intimacy coordinator.

[Shane Simpson]

Okay, so if that intimacy. Because she waived the. The go. The. The meeting with an intimacy coordinator. Correct. Right. Okay, so she waived it. Then that was her opportunity to. To know what the expectations were and to be able to draw a line if she was uncomfortable with him smelling her perfume or whatever like that. But she waived all that. So she consented to even more. Like she didn't put any boundaries.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And also, again, just back to the slippery slope. Can you imagine if that was considered sexual harassment in that type of setting, then every actor going forward that has to do a love scene could be concerned that. And when you're acting, I assume that when you're in a love scene, you improv, improvise a lot. I don't know if you strictly follow exactly. Now, now three kisses on this cheek,

[Shane Simpson]

then blow in her ear, then move down to her neck.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane Simpson]

It's not scripted.

[Emily Simpson]

I would assume that you, you are improvising a lot in a love scene.

[Shane Simpson]

Well, especially like, because it wasn't their dancing. It was like, like it's kind of like a, like a B roll, right? Like they're just like do a lot of dancing and kind of chit chat and kind of being cute and cuddly, right. It's not like we need 10 seconds of it and that's it. It's like, okay, we need some more. Okay, we need this angle, we need that angle. So they have to improvise, right?

[Emily Simpson]

Another. Just another breakdown of this 152 page decision, one of the other things that was really profound as far as the judge's decision was the judge decided that she was not considered an employee for purposes of this lawsuit because in order for her to have a sexual harassment claim under Title 7, I believe is what she was using. You have to be an employ.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

And then they use as evidence that she wasn't an employee for purposes of title seven that she was an independent contractor. And she really screwed herself when she wrote that five page email to the PGA asking for. She wanted that, you know, high producer credit. I think PGA stands for Producers Guild of America. She wrote a five page email trying to convince them why she needed this, you know, accolade. And she wrote out 77 bullet points as to how she contributed so much to this film. Film, beyond just being an employee, talking about how she did all the marketing and she did all the editing and

[Shane Simpson]

she wrote scenes that kind of stripped her of her employee status.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So basically the judge was like, well, you're not acting as an employee because an employee has a very specific scope of work. And she would be actress if she was an employee. So actress would mean that she's basically,

[Shane Simpson]

she would be doing as she's told. Whereas here she's saying, I initiated, I did this, I brought this to the table. I helped with this.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. She's saying, I rewrote all these scenes. I, I coordinated the fashion, I did all the marketing, I did all these things.

[Shane Simpson]

So in this, and like in, in our marriage, I'm the employee and you are the independent contractor. You do as you wish and you dictate the terms and you direct everyone. And I just have my scope of work and I'm supposed to stay within those boundaries.

[Emily Simpson]

As it should be, ladies.

[Shane Simpson]

Right, gentlemen, be careful.

[Emily Simpson]

All right? Also today, as we were about to record this podcast, Blake Lively addressed her case against Justin Baldoni on Instagram. And right when she posted it, we were all talking about it and Shane actually got a screenshot of it. Good job. Because she then deleted this post roughly five minutes later. She stated in her Instagram post, I brought this case because of the pervasive retaliation I faced and, and continue to for privately and professionally asking for a safe working environment for myself and others. She also added a dragon emoji to the end of her statement, which calls back to a text message to Baldoni where she called herself Khaleesi from Game of Thrones. Also, if you remember, she also referred to. Well, there was an inference that she was also Referring to Taylor Swift and to Ryan Reynolds as her dragons as well. I believe Lively and Baldoni are set to go to trial for these retaliation claims on May 18. My question is, do you think that she will try and now settle this out of court? Because obviously before they go to trial, there's going to be mandatory settlement conferences. So do you think that there'll be any kind of settlement or do you think she actually wants to go to court and get on the stand and testify?

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know. Because she took that post down. Does that mean anything?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I don't. This is what I was thinking also about the post. Did she post it? And then someone like she. Maybe she does have a no person in her life that called her and said, no, no, you need to take that down. That doesn't look good. I don't know.

[Shane Simpson]

Her attorney or something. I don't know. Well, what would be damning in that post anyway for her to want to remove?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. What.

[Shane Simpson]

I never even got to read it.

[Emily Simpson]

I, I skimmed through it before she took it down and it looked like what she did on those 13 slides that she posted was, I believe she pulled Excerpts from the 152 page decision where there were some positive things that the judge had said regarding her case and the claims that she's allowed to go forward. So it looked like she was just picking and choosing things that were.

[Shane Simpson]

Because I.

[Emily Simpson]

Positive.

[Shane Simpson]

I saw the very beginning where she didn't. Something I'm very pleased she was trying to show her, like have everyone see it from her angle. Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Because everyone out there is talking about how she's basically like, that was a huge win for Baldoni that 10 of the, the biggest claims were thrown out. So now you have a breach of contract and you have a retaliation.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, the boring stuff.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, the, you know, the, the, the whether when he hired this crisis management PR team, whether they, I don't know, that they were hiring bots and they were doing all these things to have this smear campaign against her. But, you know, as far as I'm concerned, isn't that what actors do? Don't they? That's why there's crisis PR people. I mean, that's why they exist.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah. I mean, it's also, it's like sort of like saying, oh my gosh, well, that person hired an attorney. So they're clearly, they got something wrong with them. It's like, well, no, I don't know. Maybe they'd want to stay within their boundaries. Maybe they want to know what their rights were. Maybe they want to make sure that they don't get, you know, prosecuted for anything or. Or, you know, a judgment against them for anything more than they did.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane Simpson]

So you go to a PR crisis firm because you're like, hey, I'm in a little bit of trouble, and I kind of want to get out of it, and I want to stay in my lane.

[Emily Simpson]

She has PR people. He has PR people. But he hired a pr. Like, someone that specifically does PR crisis. And I believe he did after the movie and during all that time period when all the marketing was going on and he wasn't allowed to go to the premiere and he wasn't on any of the posters, and remember, he basically got cut out. He wasn't allowed in the editing bay, and she was editing it, and then there were all those things going on. He knew he was on notice that this woman was doing everything possible to remove him from this movie and probably destroy his life. So he hired a crisis management team. So now he. Her claim is he did that with the intent to have this false narrative against her. The smear campaign out there.

[Shane Simpson]

Right. She's not. Back to my original thing, which is sometimes you have a defense attorney, it doesn't mean you're guilty. It just means you're trying to manage something.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, Right. Well, you know, and also, it's a lack of accountability for the fact that the public turned against her because of her own antics and because of her own text messages and. And the way she behaved on set and the things that came out once, you know, he replied to that New York Times article.

[Shane Simpson]

And anyway, do you see her ever doing, like, a movie again?

[Emily Simpson]

No. And I was thinking. And I was like, ever since she did. It ends with us. Has she done anything else?

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know. How often does she do a movie?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I feel like she was in a lot of things, and now it's just

[Shane Simpson]

something big that she was in.

[Emily Simpson]

She was in, like, the Age of Adeline. I remember that. That was that. I watched that on Netflix. And she was in Savages, and she's been in, you know, the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, and she was on Gossip Girl.

[Shane Simpson]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

I mean, she's done lots of things.

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All right, let's go on and do an update on Melissa Gilbert and Timothy Busfield. Melissa Gilbert knew about Timothy Busfield's past sexual assault allegations before marrying him. This came out in a People article. So Melissa Gilbert addressed past allegations against her husband, Timothy Busfield in an interview with Good Morning America on April 6, saying the claims have been out in the ether for a very long time. She discussed them with him before they married in 2013. She said she is neither naive nor complicit and believes he will share his side when the time is right. How do you go into an interview and say that you knew that he had sexual assault allegations and you still marry someone? I would never marry someone that had someone claiming that there were sexual assault allegations against them.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

So she's trying to make it like everybody knows this already. So, like it's a common knowledge or something. So that makes it better. Don't worry about that. Sexual assault allegations. Everybody's already been talking about that.

[Shane Simpson]

Everyone knows he's a creep.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Why are we talking about this?

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, get over it.

[Emily Simpson]

According to an arrest Warrant, police referenced two prior allegations, one in the 1990s involving a teenage film extra that led to a lawsuit late or settled without charges. That means they settled out of court. And another in 2012 in which a woman accused him of inappropriate touching. Prosecutors declined to file charges, citing limited evidence. But Busfield denied wrongdoing in both instances. If you remember, we did talk about this earlier, but he was arrested back in January in New Mexico on charges alleging unlawful sexual contact involving two 11 year old boys he met while working on a television set. That Gilbert described the aftermath as the most traumatizing experience of our lives, saying their former life is done. And called her husband the last person in the world who would hurt a child.

[Shane Simpson]

Say anything you want, last person to hurt a child, blah, blah, blah.

[Emily Simpson]

It's like, well, well, he allegedly. He did.

[Shane Simpson]

So that's what I'm saying. Like, okay, so you said that facts are a little bit different. We have to wait for the facts to come out.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, you know, he has these. He has sexual assault allegations against him on two prior occasions. There's probably more. Those are the only ones that are publicly known. And I don't know.

[Shane Simpson]

I just don't. It's like. It's like when someone gets caught for shoplifting and then they're like, why would I shoplift? I could afford to buy it. It's like, well, there's still lots of reasons for you to shoplift. So in this case, it's like, just because someone said, like, he loves kids, he would never hurt a child. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I'm sure everyone that abuses children says, I love children and wouldn't hurt a child.

[Shane Simpson]

Right. It's probably the first sign of a. A pedophile.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

Denial.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, let's move on to Savannah Guthrie. Just a little update in this case also. I was going to tell you, the other day I was traveling back from Palm Springs to Orange county and there was a huge billboard on the side of the road that was like, that was talking about all billboards.

[Shane Simpson]

Huge.

[Emily Simpson]

This is huge. It was huger. And it said, nancy Guthrie is missing. And it had a big picture of her and it had, you know, all the information and call this number if you have any information. And all the things Savannah returned to today. Today, marking this her first appearance in more than two months after her mother was believed to have been abducted from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Opening the broadcast, Guthrie told viewers she was grateful to be back. She said she felt like. I believe she said she felt like she was back home. And co anchor Craig Melvin welcomed her return, saying it was good to have her back home. I was thinking about this case again. Nancy Guthrie. First of all, we're talking about an 84 year old woman. What happened to the ransom notes? In the beginning, it's just like, I don't know.

[Shane Simpson]

But nothing has served. How far are we into this?

[Emily Simpson]

60. 60 days and two months.

[Shane Simpson]

All that activity, all that news coverage, which is helpful in getting tips.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane Simpson]

And today, where are we at? She's missing.

[Emily Simpson]

I. I know it makes sense.

[Shane Simpson]

No more evidence, no more leads, no more anything, at least publicly known than what was known pretty much the first week, which is, there's ring camera footage, there's like a blood drop and she's missing.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, and also the ransom notes that kept popping up. Remember, TMZ had one and then there was another one that popped up.

[Shane Simpson]

TMZ is no, nowhere. First that Harvey guy was all over the place. Now where is he?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know, but it just makes no sense that someone, it made it as if someone was abducting an 84 year old woman in order to gain monetary, you know, benefit somehow. And if that was your end goal, there was never any exchange of money. And now we're 60 days in and no one knows where this, this woman is.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

So I don't know where you go from there.

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

And also I saw some things that the investigator that was investigating this kidnapping, it was his first time investigating a case of this magnitude. So I think people were questioning whether,

[Shane Simpson]

you know, he was fit, he was

[Emily Simpson]

fit to do it.

[Shane Simpson]

Well, the site was in Palm Springs, which is many hours away from.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she was abducted and. Yeah, in Arizona. I. They probably have them everywhere. I just saw it and I thought, wow, that's interesting. I just saw a billboard for Nancy Guthrie. I wonder how many are out there.

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, let's move on. This is another update that I thought was interesting. So another Ted Bundy victim, a Utah teen identified as a victim of serial killer Ted Bundy has been identified. Utah officials have officially closed posed the 1974 murder case of 17 year old Laura Ann Aim after new DNA testing confirmed that she was killed by serial killer Ted Bundy. Although Bundy confessed to her killing before his 1989 execution, investigators kept the case open because he provided no details. The Utah County Sheriff's office said recent testing confirmed irrefutably that DNA from the scene matched Bundy, allowing authorities to close the case without a shadow of doubt. Out Bundy murdered at least 30 women between 74 and 78 and was linked to Additional killings across the U. S. He was arrested in 75, escaped from jail twice in 77, and was captured for the final time in 78. And then they executed him in 1989.

[Shane Simpson]

He represented himself, right?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. I don't know. It's interesting.

[Shane Simpson]

Florida. Was it Florida where.

[Emily Simpson]

Where he was executed? I don't know. Is that where he was executed?

[Shane Simpson]

It.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know that much about Ted Bundy. I do know that when I was in Aspen, we took a little tour and we walked by the jail cell where he had escaped from. He jumped out onto the front lawn of like the. The police.

[Shane Simpson]

Oh yeah, Building. Yeah, Florida state. Yeah. He didn't.

[Emily Simpson]

He.

[Shane Simpson]

Because he represented himself. So they. He'd have to have access to like libraries and stuff. So. Or, you know, somehow he would get out of a cell that way, whether it's a library, they'd put him in a study room or something like that and then he would. I know one of those times he escaped.

[Emily Simpson]

Was that his plan all along or do you think he really just wanted to represent himself?

[Shane Simpson]

Well, he did represent himself.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I'm saying do you think he wanted to represent himself or did he want to represent himself so he had more freedom so that he could.

[Shane Simpson]

I'm sure he was doing everything he could to get out of jail, whether it was legally or escaping. I'm sure it was always on his mind to run away. And then when the opportunity came, whether it be by being in a library or going to the restroom or being in a cell or whatever, he took a IT and ran.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. All right, well, that's interesting. You know what else is interesting is just because DNA. I feel like DNA is becoming so advanced so quickly. It's like AI you know what I mean? Like I remember people talking about AI it feels like just like a year ago maybe and now everything's AI But I feel like it's the same with DNA. It's like all of a sudden it was like a slow trickle of things being solved because of DNA and now it's just like. I guess it's just so readily available. It's easy. Now we have advanced DNA technology and remember even we were talking about the golden state kill and how they can you do all the family.

[Shane Simpson]

Well, I think one thing that advance smaller elements you can. You can extract DNA from smaller samplings like hair. I think the hair follicle. They used to. There was a time where it wasn't enough DNA and now it is.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, you can test DNA not from the actual follicle but from the actual strand of hair.

[Shane Simpson]

No, no, I said follicle.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, all right. But I thought they could always do that. Is that. That's.

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know if they can get it from there. All I know is that it's advanced so they can go back in cases where even when DNA was available but it wasn't testable, like the sampling sample that they had, and now they can. So I'm just saying it's increased the availability of it.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So I think a lot more cold case or older cases can be solved pretty easily now as long as it was preserved. Now it's all about having the manpower or the finances to go back and be able to test it.

[Brianna Stewart]

Yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

And the need to. Yeah, right. Because in some cases, you're more of a priority over others.

[Miles Turner]

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[Brianna Stewart]

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[Miles Turner]

Nothing's off limits. We talked trade request.

[Brianna Stewart]

What's the vibe of that? When it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave, and then actually, now I'm gonna stay. We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like, I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's, like, definitely happening in the wnba.

[Miles Turner]

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[Brianna Stewart]

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[Emily Simpson]

Mommy, do you play basketball?

[Brianna Stewart]

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi, dad.

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And just when I said that, my mom. Mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict. Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Cheryl Strayed]

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[Emily Simpson]

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Listen to A Slight change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Emily Simpson]

Up.

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If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what, today? Now, Obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything, but at first it was just like, you got to go get a real job.

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[Emily Simpson]

Hi, everyone.

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Dr. Maya Shankar]

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[Shane Simpson]

Yep, yep, exactly.

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[Emily Simpson]

All right, let's move on to the last topic. Today we're gonna talk about the Duggars, the dysfunctional Duggar family. A quick content warning. This episode includes discussion of sex related crimes involving minors. These topics may be distressing for some listeners, so please proceed with care. So Joseph Duggar was a member of the Duggar family, known from reality tv. Did you ever watch the Duggars? You never watched it?

[Shane Simpson]

No. I don't want to watch like chaos in a house with a bunch of kids. Kids that was in my family room. I'm gonna watch someone else. And you know what bothers me about those scenes is everything's so perfect. You know, they have everything organized. All the kids are so happy.

[Emily Simpson]

You said you didn't watch it.

[Shane Simpson]

No, but I've seen clips. Yeah, long time ago, like 20 years ago. And I remember one scene where like they moved into a new house. I saw, and it was like they built this insane home that looked like like, like a school with cafeteria and all this stuff. And I just figured they were getting all these donations, you know, cuz they'd have like a pamper changing station or like, you know, I don't know, McDonald's cafe in there or something. They have all this stuff and then it was clearly like vendors, like, you know, it's like, why are we promoting these people? And now look at them. They're all crooks.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they're not crooks. They're. I love how you call everyone a crook. That's just like your catch. All for anyone you don't like. It's crooked.

[Lala Kent]

They're.

[Emily Simpson]

They're pedophiles and it's two of them against the law.

[Shane Simpson]

Right. Like a crook.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, so Joseph Duggar, he was just recently arrested.

[Shane Simpson]

Who's he? Is he the dad?

[Emily Simpson]

No, he is not the dad.

[Shane Simpson]

Is the dad in jail or something?

[Emily Simpson]

No.

[Shane Simpson]

See, I told you I didn't watch.

[Emily Simpson]

I, I know, I'm well aware.

[Shane Simpson]

I thought the dad went to jail a long time ago.

[Emily Simpson]

No, the oldest brother did. We're going to get to him. This is another brother. His Name's Joseph Duggar.

[Shane Simpson]

There was lots of siblings.

[Emily Simpson]

Siblings, yes. That's why it's called like 19 and counting or something. I don't even. There's a lot of them.

[Shane Simpson]

The producer stopped counting at 19.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, they're like

[Shane Simpson]

17, 18, 19. I don't know, 19 and county.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So he was just arrested in March of 2026, so just recently. For charges connected to a 2020 incident involving a nine year old girl during a family vacation in Florida. Authorities say the case came to light after a forensic interview and that he admitted to the behavior when confronted. Though he has pleaded not guilty. Following his arrest, additional unrelated charges involving child endangerment and false imprisonment were filed against both him and his wife Kendra. The situation sparked widespread reactions from his family, many of whom condemned the alleged actions. Some expressed support for the victim and referenced the family family's past trauma involving his older brother, Josh Duggar. Now my question. Yes, go ahead.

[Shane Simpson]

Yes, Google forensic interview.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, forensic interview.

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[Emily Simpson]

So he was 25 at the time of this incident.

[Shane Simpson]

That happened with a nine year old.

[Emily Simpson]

With a nine year old in Florida. So Joseph Duggar was raised, that's who we're talking about. In Tanta Townka. No, Taunta Town. Taunta Town, Arkansas. By Jim Bob. I love. His name is Jim Bob. I love saying Jim Bob. Who names her kid Jim Bob?

[Shane Simpson]

Jim Bob's parents.

[Emily Simpson]

Jim Bob. Jim Bob Jr. No, Jim Bob is the dad. Jim Bob. Oh, Jim Bob. And Michelle Duggar. He. So now we're talking about Joseph. This is the son. He grew up in a strict fundamentalist Christian household with a large family and they were widely known on the reality show 19 Kids and Counting, which we talked about. And then later there was a show called Counting on, which was a spin off of the original series. Their lifestyle emphasized religion, modesty, obedience and strong parental control. Josh Duggar. So this is another brother. This is the oldest brother. Josh Duggard. Joseph's older brother, was raised in the same environment. As a teenager, Josh was accused of sexually abusing multiple girls, including his own sisters. There were four girls that came forward that said that he had sexually abused them. This is the oldest brother, Josh. So we're going back in time and in 2021 he had child sexual abuse material on his computer, I believe at work.

[Shane Simpson]

Golly. They did not have more children.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, here's the question. And this is what I was thinking about.

[Shane Simpson]

I mean, they aren't. They like on tv portray themselves as super religious. Religious.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. That's their whole lifestyle. Religious.

[Shane Simpson]

Their family upbringing. And see, it's all smoke and mirrors.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, here's the question.

[Shane Simpson]

Instagram.

[Emily Simpson]

No. Let's say though, I was thinking about this. If you have 19 kids, are you just statistically going to have a criminal in there somewhere because you have so many kids that just one of them is statistically just going to turn out.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, but that's. It's not one.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, okay. They have two. Statistically.

[Shane Simpson]

Statistically turning into pedophiles. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Or is there something going on in the household that is strange and creepy that is making these men be pedophiles

[Shane Simpson]

or like from each other? Right. Well, so you're saying your older brother do it and you do it, or you think that's normal or you can do it. I mean, no one's. I mean, how are these, how are the kids held accountable for anything? How are they. You have two people watching 19 Kids. That's. It's not normal. I don't even think I could. I couldn't even open up a daycare center and get a license to watch 19 Kids.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

And they're having their own for 24 hours a day.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, you know what, that's a good point. Because when they talk about having that many children, I remember because I never really watched it or sat down and watched it with it. I saw clips and I would catch it every once in a while on. I guess it was on TLC or whatever. But I know that they would always. Didn't the older kids always have the responsibility of like trying to take care of the little kids? So she was always pregnant.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, they were like.

[Emily Simpson]

She was constantly pregnant.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah. And like they were paired up or something.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So then the older kids had the responsibility of taking care of these younger kids.

[Shane Simpson]

That's not the greatest life.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I'm saying. I understand what you're saying. You're saying when you have that many children.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

It is impossible to be a good parent.

[Shane Simpson]

It's tough too.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it would be hard. Okay. Not imp. It would be very difficult to be a very active hands on parent where you're aware of.

[Shane Simpson]

How do you go to open night at school?

[Emily Simpson]

School. I don't. Well, they're homeschool. They're homeschooled. That's how they go. No, but I understand your point because we have three children at home and then you have two children that are Older. But just managing those kids and all their activities and all the things that they have going on is very difficult. There's a lot of times where we have to divide and conquer. But Michelle's constantly pregnant. There's like never a time when she's not pregnant.

[Shane Simpson]

I don't think Sister Wise has that many kids. And he's got three wives.

[Emily Simpson]

No, they have, they have that many kids.

[Shane Simpson]

Wives.

[Emily Simpson]

They, they have a lot of kids, but at least they have four wives to take care of those parents. I'm saying there's five parents that keep

[Shane Simpson]

them from becoming dysfunctional.

[Emily Simpson]

Two parents that are trying to keep track of 19.

[Shane Simpson]

Are they keeping track?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they're not. That's the point. And I'm saying we always talk about nature versus nurture. Is this, are they, are these two boys pedophiles because of a lack of structure or because of the religion or because of just who knows what? I mean, it would be a good case study to figure out, like, what's going on within that household. And having the older kids have to take care of the younger kids.

[Shane Simpson]

I know that's, that's a crummy thing, and I know siblings should have responsibility with other siblings. I get that. But it's like right when they're born, they're like, okay, you're assigned to this little duggard here and you have to take care of them for the rest of your life. I mean, it's like right when they're born, they're like assigned to someone.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. And how hands on can the mom be when she's say something.

[Shane Simpson]

If you as a mother and father cannot, cannot have the time to take care of number 19, maybe you shouldn't have number 19. You have to assign other kids to take care of them.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but I, I, I mean, I don't know what their philosophy is. It's just, you know, have as many kids as they possibly can.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah, it should be have as many kids as you can provide for financially, emotionally and spiritually. Not just physically. Yeah, right. I don't know. They're applying, supporting them physically.

[Emily Simpson]

What do you mean?

[Shane Simpson]

Well, I mean, you can't, you can't even do that. What does that mean? That means feed them.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I meant physically. I just meant just because you can biologically continue to have kids doesn't mean that you should.

[Shane Simpson]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Like you were saying, you can't support them financially or emotionally or all the things that children need. Just because. I was saying, just because you can physically keep pushing kids out doesn't mean that you always should. And here you have 19 kids and two of them turn out to be pedophiles. So maybe you should have been a little more aware of what they were looking at or doing or exposed to or what they were thinking or what they were getting into. Because the oldest brother, Josh, that is now spending 12 years in jail for possessing child sexual abuse material on a computer. But he also was accused of abusing, abusing three of his sisters. Do you not know what's. That's what happens when you have so many siblings and your house is so big and you have so many things going on. You don't know that the oldest brother is abusing three of your daughters. I feel like that is a lack of awareness when you have too many children. All right, let's go back and talk a little bit more about Joseph Duggar. He's the one that just was recently arrested. So he was married in May of 2016, 2017. He proposed to Kendra Caldwell after meeting through church. The proposal happened at his sister Joy Anna's wedding. I don't know how I feel about people proposing when they're at other people's weddings. I think that's such a tacky thing to do, but I don't know. So I mean, we're talking about pedophiles. So I guess at this point, proposing at someone's wedding is not like the worst thing that this family could do.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Joseph and Kendra were married in Arkansas. Kendra's father officiated the ceremony and their wedding was featured on Counting On. That's the spin off. They had a child, Garrett. They had a second child, Addison, a third child, Brooklyn. And jail records later indicated a fourth child, though not publicly confirmed. So I believe they have four children. Joseph worked in real estate and lived in Arkansas with his family. He. This is the 2020 alleged incident that took place in Florida. He's accused of molesting a nine year old girl when he was older than 18. He was 25 at the time. Time. And the alleged incident occurred during a family vacation in Panama City Beach, Florida. Joseph reportedly asked her multiple times to sit on his lap. Oh, that's so gross. The lap thing. That's why it's like. I don't know.

[Shane Simpson]

Is that a trigger for you?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't. It just is. I mean, it's like even with like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and stuff, it's like, I just don't think

[Shane Simpson]

it's when they use like what's seemingly innocent. Yeah, right. And it's really like an ulterior motive. And they have some creepy, you know, desire.

[Emily Simpson]

So gross. He also allegedly sat with her under a blanket on a couch. And authorities say he touched her inappropriately. And the nine year old victim later stated that Joseph apologized. And then the behavior stops. Okay. Again, as a parent, if my nine year old daughter is sitting on a couch with an adult male next to her and a blanket over the two of them, I am going to think that's flipping weird and I'm going to say something. And also the religious facade of someone being so religious that you would leave your kid with them because you think they're a good person. Right. And that doesn't, that doesn't always.

[Shane Simpson]

We don't know that they were. Yeah, we don't know what was going on. It was just.

[Emily Simpson]

No, but I'm saying this was a deeply religious family and everything centered around religion. And they were homeschooled and they talked about religion and faith and all these things. And I'm saying, and with the way that these two sons behave, it's such a facade because someone could look at the family and be like, oh, it's so safe to leave my children around them because they're this good, wholesome family that's super religious.

[Shane Simpson]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

When really two of them are pedophiles and they're abusing young children.

[Shane Simpson]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

And looking.

[Shane Simpson]

And the opposite could be true too. Someone is not a religious fanatic.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane Simpson]

And they are not a creep and

[Emily Simpson]

they have a strong moral compass, but they don't Exodus it exactly. March 17th of 2026. The victim, who is now 14 years old, participated in a forensic interview which was six years later. We just talked about what that meant. After the interview, her father confronted Joseph. Investigators say Joseph admitted to the behavior during the conversation with the father and the detectives. However, you know, he's now pleading not guilty. So I don't know, I don't know how you admit to what you did to the father and to detectives, but then you plead not guilty. So I don't know how that's going to turn out. According to an affidavit, he admitted touching her and said that his intentions, quote, were not pure. He was arrested in Arkansas. Arkansas on a Florida warrant. I know he, I think he waived extradition. Like they didn't do. They didn't have to do a hearing. I think he just agreed to be extradited. And he has pleaded not guilty to the charges. The day after his arrest, authorities searched his and Kendra's home. So they ended up getting a search warrant based upon Whatever information they had from him about being, you know, what he admitted to. The search involved child welfare officials and local police. And both Joseph and Kendra were charged with four counts of second degree child endangerment and four counts of second degree false imprisonment. These charges were described as unrelated to the Florida case. So basically they got a search warrant based upon whatever they found out about it during this forensic interview and what he admitted to. They search his house just recently, his house with his wife Kendra. She is now arrested. She gets arrested and then they have a new case opened up against them, probably from in Arkansas with four counts of child endangerment and four counts of false imprisonment. Now I read that the false imprisonment had to do with having locks on the kids bedroom doors that were on the outside, which meant that they could lock the kids in bedrooms.

[Shane Simpson]

Right.

[Emily Simpson]

But I don't know what the evidence was that related to the child endangerment charges. And also what evidence suggested that even though the locks were on the outside of the door that they were using them in a way that was abusive. I don't know.

[Shane Simpson]

Well, false imprisonment could only be a matter of a second too. Right. If someone wants to leave and you say no, you can't leave and you keep him there.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

I mean it could have been, you know, part of the molestation process. Right. Holding someone and keeping them from leaving the house and stuff like that.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, that doesn't have anything to do with a nine year old girl because she didn't live in the house. So these are new charges that has to do with his own four children.

[Shane Simpson]

Right. Yeah, but I was just saying that it doesn't. False imprisonment doesn't necessarily mean you trap him in a basement and you lock the doors.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

It could simply be I wanted to leave my bedroom and he stood in front of the door, wouldn't let me leave.

[Emily Simpson]

So a family spokesperson clarified that Kendra, this is the wife, is not accused of any involvement. Involvement in the Florida incident. So that's just the husband, that's just Joseph. But she was arrested under this new case where CPS came in under that search warrant.

[Shane Simpson]

I'm picturing they search the house, they see the locks, maybe the locks are suspicious because it's not typical the way it's.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they're usually on the inside. Right, right, right.

[Shane Simpson]

But I'm saying like, let's say it was obvious because I don't, I wouldn't think to look at the, the doorknobs and see if they're like backwards.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Simpson]

So maybe it was obvious enough and they asked the children, and the children simply say, yeah, sometimes I get locked in my room and I'm not allowed to leave.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane Simpson]

But the thing is, I mean, I don't want to defend any of these people, but it, it's like, well, that's not that bad of a thing if you're just like saying you have to stay in your room. But I guess if you lock them in the room, I don't know. There must have been more details. Right.

[Emily Simpson]

So Kendra was released on bail shortly after her arrest. Her bail was like $1,400 or something. Although she will seemingly be separated from her four kids for a month, according to this was an article on E. News. I, I, I did read that she separated for a month from the kids. I'm not sure why. Maybe they're assessing the kids for a month. Maybe they put them somewhere or maybe they have them with a foster family, I don't know. But, so she's not with the kids for a month. I also read that there were a lot of a jail house, what are they called? Recordings or whatever between her and, and her husband. And she talks about how the kids are her first priority. She just wants to get the kids back. And also I believe in order to continue to function because he is in jail, his bonds, like, I don't know, his bonds, like some ridiculous amount. She's talking about how the kids are her main priority and he's saying they should be. And then I think she said something to the effect of like, in regard to him, like, we'll have to figure that out later kind of thing.

[Shane Simpson]

Like right now you're not a priority. Yes, the kids are a priority.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, Right. Joseph remains in solitary confinement awaiting extradition. So he has to be extradited because he's obviously going to go to trial, I would assume, unless he takes a plea deal or something in Florida. So Josh Dugger, who is the oldest brother, not Joseph, who we've been talking about recently, Josh, Josh's attorney, told the Daily Mail that he understands the stigma of being accused and he lives with the painful reality of how false accusations can destroy a life. He understands how the targeting of a person for publicity can twist the truth into sensationalized fiction. That sounds like Josh's attorney on behalf of. Josh is not taking accountability for the fact that he's spending 12 years in prison because he had child pornography on his computer. And he also was accused of sexually abusing four underage children. It's so gross. It's, it's, I just.

[Shane Simpson]

Why is it so like, like, it's like an overlapping crime for a lot of criminals. Like they also have child pornography on their computer.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I guess because they're just sick in the head. And when you're sick like that, that's what you do. I don't know. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, his parents.

[Shane Simpson]

That's a good analysis. I like that.

[Emily Simpson]

Thank you. That was deep, wasn't it? They're just sick in the head.

[Shane Simpson]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Publicly called the situation heartbreaking. Emphasized supporting their family, particularly Josh's wife Kendra and their children, and said that they were praying for the victim. Many of the other Duggar siblings have spoken out condemning Josh's behavior. Oh, Kendra Duggar, we talk about this already in jail. Phone calls, has said that she's fighting for their children and discuss the emotional toll of the situation. I also read that the house that they live in, she moved out by herself. Like moved everything out of it. Because her plan is to rent out that house because she needs income because he's not working right. Live that part. I don't know. She's probably living with family. Oh yeah, well, the kids were taken away, hopefully. I. I don't know. The kids are taken away. I don't know if she'll be able

[Shane Simpson]

to get them back. I'd say hopefully.

[Emily Simpson]

I was gonna say hopefully they're reunited with the mother, but then again that's hard for me because I don't think

[Shane Simpson]

they're in a situation that's best for them.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know what the details are of what, how involved she was and what this false imprisonment and what this endangerment was within their home. I don't know. But anyway, she's renting out their home that they were living in so that she has some income. So I guess that's how she's going to try and survive until. Well, I don't know. I don't know if they would get back together. How do you, I don't know how you continue on with someone.

[Shane Simpson]

I don't, I don't know.

[Emily Simpson]

If I found out something like that about you, I would not be like, we'll talk about this when you get out of jail. I feel like anyone that is attracted to anything that has to do with children is not something I ever want to be associated with, have a part of. And I don't feel like anyone can actually. I mean, can you be cured from that?

[Shane Simpson]

I don't know. No.

[Emily Simpson]

No. Joseph is not the first Duggar family member involved in abuse related allegations. And many responses referenced repeated family trauma, the importance of accountability, and protecting children over preserving reputations. All right, well, that was a lot of updates. So anyway, we will keep you informed if there's any other further information in any of these cases that we've been talking about about. As always, please follow Legally Brunette. We have our own feed also. They we still have episodes that go into two T's, so you can listen to us there. But just a reminder, if you're listening to us in two T's, you're not getting all of the episodes. We also have all of our episodes on our own Legally Brunette feed, so you can listen to us there. Thank you again so much for listening. Please tell your friends and family and also if you have any cases you would like us to discuss us. I love it when you guys send me DMS on Instagram. You always have such good information, such good feedback. And also I've taken your recommendations a lot of times, so you, you give me cases that I hadn't heard of before. And some of them are very, very interesting. So thank you for always reaching out. I appreciate it. So thanks for listening. Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

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