Legally Brunette: The Evil in Equestrianism

Summary

Podcast Summary: Legally Brunette – The Evil in Equestrianism ("The Shooting at Hawthorne Hill")

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Title: Legally Brunette: The Evil in Equestrianism
Host: Emily Simpson (with Shane)
Release Date: May 5, 2026
Episode Focus: The real-life true crime case at the center of Netflix’s documentary Untold: The Shooting at Hawthorne Hill – specifically, the shooting of dressage rider Lauren Canorac by Olympic trainer Michael Barisone, and the toxic equestrian culture that preceded the crime.

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Overview: Main Theme and Purpose

This episode dives deep into the bizarre and troubling events at a high-end equestrian facility in New Jersey, highlighting the escalating personal and legal conflict between Olympic trainer Michael Barisone and his student, Lauren Canorac. Emily Simpson and her husband Shane break down the case, exploring equestrian subculture, issues of entitlement and bullying, the criminal trial that ensued, and the surprising legal outcome. The episode is a listener suggestion, which Emily appreciates, and is framed by her own experience in the horse world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to the Case & Equestrian World

• Emily shares her own background in dressage ("I have a little insight into this horse world…" – 02:18)
• Dressage explained as an elite, ancient horse discipline (03:03)
• The financial, cultural, and social pressures of competitive equestrianism ("The cheapest thing about owning a horse is buying a horse." – 03:21)
• Notable Quote:

  "I know that I don't know how to ride one, and I know that they're very exp... expensive."
  – Shane (03:13)

2. Main Characters & Initial Conflict

• Lauren Canorac: Adult amateur dressage rider, initially disliked by Emily ("The minute she starts talking, I was like, I cannot stand this woman." – 06:51)
• Michael Barisone: Olympic trainer, owner of Hawthorne Hill farm
• Lauren’s father is heavily financially involved (approx. $5,000/month for training/boarding)
• Early interpersonal friction between Lauren, Michael, and Michael’s girlfriend, Mary Haskins Gray
• Frequent Reddit and social media commentary about Lauren's entitled behavior ("She just bossing the boyfriend around… they were smart to show all the clips of her being demanding." – 07:24)

3. Escalation & Social Media Warfare

• Tension worsens due to lack of direct training with Michael and conflicts with his staff

• Lauren posts hundreds of pages of social media rants—often threatening/antagonistic

• Notable Quotes:

  "A July 25, 2019 post stated, it's about time to possibly go to war. Anyone who repeatedly kicks a resting beast will eventually wake her up."
  – Emily quoting Lauren (14:12)
  "I am not responsible for anything my other personalities do when I am threatened."
  – Emily quoting Lauren (14:16)

• Michael claims these posts were threatening and contributed to his stress and fear

4. Descent Into Chaos: Harassment & Bullying

• Both Lauren and Michael start calling the police and reporting each other to third parties ("the police keep saying it's a civil situation, not a criminal one." – 16:10)
• Discussion about why Michael didn't just evict Lauren from the property ("Why did he not just…give her 30 days notice?" – 16:27)
• Secret recordings: Lauren allegedly plants a recorder in the barn office
• Michael describes Lauren as a "ninja in the trees" at night, indicating deep paranoia/escalation (17:29)

5. The Shooting Incident (Aug 7, 2019) – [22:17]

• Catalyst: Lauren calls Safe Sport with allegations against Michael, which leads to CPS arriving at the farm because of children living on site (19:06)
• Michael, pushed to the edge, accesses a 9mm handgun belonging to a visitor (Ruth) after asking her to lock it in his office safe—seen as possible premeditation
• He confronts Lauren and her boyfriend Rob at the farmhouse, shoots Lauren twice in the chest and shoots Rob once
• Rob restrains Michael until police arrival; Lauren survives after emergency surgery and a coma
• Notable Quote:

  "He shoots both of them. He shoots her twice in the chest. And Rob, despite her injuries, Lauren manages to call 911."
  – Emily (22:22)

6. The Criminal Trial & Legal Outcome – [28:35]

• Michael charged with two counts of first-degree attempted murder and weapons offenses; jailed for over two years awaiting trial (24:53)
• His defense: temporary insanity ("the defense argues that he was temporarily insane at the time of the incident." – 29:03)
• The courtroom strategy includes Michael presenting as mentally unstable ("His hair is long and disheveled…he looks like a deranged lunatic." – 32:21)
• Comparison to battered woman syndrome and “The Burning Bed” case (29:34)
• Verdict: Not guilty by reason of insanity—Michael committed to a psychiatric hospital, then released after about a year (36:30)
• Notable Quotes:

  "Michael is found not guilty by reason of insanity."
  – Emily (36:30)
  "That verdict is insane."
  – Shane (36:32)

7. Aftermath & Equestrian Fallout – [38:34]

• Michael is permanently banned from Olympic participation (“permanently ineligible because of sexual harassment, emotional misconduct…” – 38:34)
• Lauren continues in the sport; remains with boyfriend Rob
• New allegations (possibly instigated by Lauren) arise: other minors accuse Michael of sexual misconduct, contributing to his ban (39:43)
• Emily questions the validity and timing of these accusations; suspects retaliation and manipulation
• Broader commentary on abuse of SafeSport and social media to destroy reputations

8. Broader Themes: Bullying, Mental Health & Social Media – [41:27]

• Emily and Shane reflect on the mental toll of public bullying, referencing the suicide of "Storage Wars" star Darrell Sheets due to harassment (41:45)
• Emily's PSA: "A lot of people out there use social media as a way to attack people. And at the end of the day, we're all just humans...it really is difficult sometimes when you have a lot of people attacking you..." (42:48)

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Memorable Quotes & Speaker Attribution

| Time | Speaker | Quote | |---------|----------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:21 | Shane | "The cheapest thing about owning a horse is buying a horse." | | 06:51 | Emily | "The minute she starts talking, I was like, I cannot stand this woman." | | 14:12 | Emily (quoting Lauren) | "It's about time to possibly go to war. Anyone who repeatedly kicks a resting beast will eventually wake her up." | | 14:16 | Emily (quoting Lauren) | "I am not responsible for anything my other personalities do when I am threatened." | | 22:22 | Emily | "He shoots both of them. He shoots her twice in the chest..." | | 29:03 | Emily | "...the defense argues that he was temporarily insane at the time..." | | 32:21 | Emily | "His hair is long and disheveled. His eyes are like wide open, and he's like shaking, convulsing..." | | 36:30 | Emily | "Michael is found not guilty by reason of insanity." | | 36:32 | Shane | "That verdict is insane." | | 42:48 | Emily | "A lot of people out there use social media as a way to attack people..." |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:18 – Emily’s introduction and equestrian/dressage explanation
• 04:41 – Background on Lauren and Michael; emergence of conflict
• 06:42–09:14 – Emily’s strong negative impression of Lauren
• 11:53–13:56 – Social media posts, entitlement, and barn drama
• 18:22–19:59 – Police and Safe Sport called; CPS visits the barn
• 22:17–23:26 – The shooting incident in detail
• 28:35–32:56 – Trial, defense’s insanity strategy, courtroom theatrics
• 36:30–36:54 – Michael found not guilty by reason of insanity; aftermath
• 38:34–39:43 – Post-trial fallout; Olympic ban; further allegations
• 41:27–43:14 – Discussion about public bullying and its tragic consequences

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Tone & Style

The tone is casual, humorous, and at times irreverent, reflective of Emily and Shane’s dynamic. Emily is bluntly opinionated, especially about Lauren’s personality, while Shane interjects with sarcasm and dark humor. The hosts are fascinated by the drama and clear about their biases, but they raise serious points about mental health and justice.

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Final Reflections

• Both hosts agree Lauren was a toxic force but are troubled by the legal result, feeling justice was not fully served despite Michael's suffering.
• They relay lessons on the dangers of harassment—both in-person and online—and advocate for empathy in the social media era.
• Listeners are encouraged to watch the Netflix documentary and weigh in with their own perspectives.

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For Listeners:
This episode provides a comprehensive, candid breakdown of a high-profile crime in the equestrian world, blending true crime intrigue with pop-legal commentary and cultural critique. Even if you missed the documentary or case, this podcast delivers all the drama, context, and controversy needed to understand and debate what really happened at Hawthorne Hill.

Transcript

[Emily Simpson]

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[Emily Simpson]

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[Shane]

I'm Shane.

[Emily Simpson]

Shane, just Shane. Today we're going to be talking about, and this was a recommendation from you guys, which I truly, truly appreciate. It is called the Shooting at Hawthorne Hill and I had not heard of it until you guys had DM me a few times and told me that we should discuss It. So we're gonna discuss it. And actually, I'm really happy that I started watching it and that we're going to discuss it, but because I kind of. When I was growing up, we had horses, and I've ridden dressage. And so, you know, I have a little insight into this horse world that we're about to delve into. Equestrian.

[Shane]

Equestrian.

[Emily Simpson]

The equestrian world. It's called dressage, though. That's the type. That's the style of riding.

[Shane]

I know, but you said horse world.

[Emily Simpson]

Horse world. Equestrian world. And Shane knows a little, because when we first got married, I, I know

[Shane]

that I know nothing about horses.

[Emily Simpson]

I, I. But I had horses.

[Shane]

I know that I don't know how to ride one, and I know that they're very exp. Expensive.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, he does know that. What do they say? The cheapest thing about buying a horse is buying a horse?

[Shane]

No, the cheapest thing about owning a horse is buying a horse.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And your dad told me that after we bought a horse.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Anyway. All right, so Lauren Canorac is the one of the main characters in this, and she was a dressage writer. Let's just talk a little bit about dressage. If someone doesn't know it is a style of riding. They. When you watch the Olympics and they have riding equestrian in the Olympics, it's dressage, and it's actually a form of it go. It dates back thousands of years. It was when they trained horses to fight during battles.

[Shane]

So horses learned, I would never guess that by looking at a horse in dressage.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they, they, they train horses. This all comes from during battles, when you would have horses in battle and the horses would learn how to, you know, like, rear up to protect their rider, or they would learn how to sidestep to the side.

[Shane]

Is that more like, basically, you had more control over your horse's actions and maneuvers, and then you could use it for anything you needed. Right.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but I mean, originally it was to train horses how to protect riders,

[Shane]

but now it's about dressing a certain way and looking proper. Yes, but it's still in your posture on the horse.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, but what they do in the Olympics is very, very advanced. It's very, very difficult. And there's a very, very small percentage of people that can actually get to that.

[Shane]

But that's what I would agree with that.

[Emily Simpson]

So Lauren Canorac is a dressage writer who was shot twice in the chest by her trainer who was an Olympic equestrian named Michael Barison. This was during a confrontation at his New Jersey equestrian farm in August of 2019. So, you know, I actually did not hear about this when it occurred. It was very. It was pretty recent. But anyway, did you. Have you ever heard of the story before?

[Shane]

No.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. The two had developed a strained and increasingly hostile relationship after Lauren began training with him in 2018, with both sides accusing each other of conflict and harassment. Lauren survived after an emergency surgery and several days in a coma. Michael was arrested and charged with attempted murder, with his trial resulting in a very surprising outcome. I was surprised by the outcome. Their story is documented in the Netflix's Untold the Shooting at Hawthorne Hill, where I thought it was really interesting because. Well, first of all, he's interview interviewed in the documentary, so you can guess the outcome. He's not being interviewed from prison, so.

[Shane]

Well, I don't know. Sometimes they have those shows where you don't know if they are or aren't.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And then, like, at the end, it kind of reveals that they're actually in a. In a cell.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Or.

[Emily Simpson]

And I. I kept thinking, okay, maybe. Maybe he's just dressed really nice and his hair looks good and it looks like he's in a living room, but maybe. Maybe he's not. But anyway, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. That is the ending. All right, so Lauren Canorac is an adult amateur dressage writer, and she begins training with Olympic equestrian Michael Barristone at his New Jersey farm called Hawthorne Hill. Her father pays approximately 5,000 per month for training and horse boarding, I believe her father.

[Shane]

How old is she?

[Emily Simpson]

She's an adult. Here's the thing. Let me just tell you this. Let's just break this down. As soon as they start interviewing this woman, I disliked her immediately. I don't know how anyone else out there feels. I actually got on Reddit to see if I was the only one that was, like, completely put off by this woman and her personality, and I wasn't.

[Shane]

Oh, but you were probably the quickest to be turned off by her personality.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I. I tell you.

[Shane]

Okay. Why do you not like her?

[Emily Simpson]

I just immediate. I don't know. I feel like when you listen to someone or you watch someone or you have a conversation with someone, you immediately judge them and you get a sense of whether you like the person or not. The minute she starts talking, I was like, I cannot stand this woman. I think that she. I didn't. I. I just. She sounded. She talks about how people call her entitled, but she's not entitled. Meanwhile, her dad, even though she's an adult is. Is also being interviewed talking about how he pays for her to have her three horses.

[Shane]

That doesn't mean she's entitled. It's because he's paying for it. If she's demanding it, insisting on it and thinking that she's.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they also entitled. Well, they're interviewing her, but they also show clips of her and her boyfriend is also came with her to stay while she's training her h. Horses and writing every day. And she's just bossing the boyfriend around. Rob, get this. Pick this up for me. What are you doing? Rob, get that. Where's the bridal? I mean, it's. They, they were smart to show all the, all the clips of her being demanding and difficult and anyway, so her father pays approximately 5,000amonth for training and horse boarding, which, by the way, I did not think was that expensive. I believe she has three horses there. Well.

[Shane]

Oh, it's for lessons and boarding.

[Emily Simpson]

I guess the 5000 is just for her training and for the boarding of the horses. Then she gets to live there for free. So let's go to early of 2019, Lauren and Michael's relationship starts to deteriorate. Lauren reportedly becomes frustrated about limited direct training time with Michael. So Michael Barrison is the main guy, Right. He's the one that's the Olympic rider. He's the one that is the name. But he also has some trainers that are below him. Well, you know, he has a girlfriend named Mary Haskins Gray and then he also has another employee and those two are also trainers too. So I think what he does is he can sell the pitch that you're training with an Olympic trainer, right? Yeah, but then I'm sure, you know, the majority of the time you're training with people that are kind of below him.

[Shane]

So that's sort of like a lawyer. Right. They're on the billboard and you call them and then they have people that work for them.

[Emily Simpson]

Like Sweet James.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Like if you ever called Sweet James, he's not going to pick up the phone.

[Shane]

No.

[Emily Simpson]

He's not going to answer. Be like, hello?

[Shane]

Probably not. But that doesn't discredit the firm because it's if, if he's successful and it's his integrity that he's now passing on to other people. So if this trainer is now, you know, guiding these mentees. I don't know if they are, or whatever. Right. On how to train and it's kind of through him, then it's the same thing, you know, foreign.

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[Emily Simpson]

So Lauren and Michael's employee and his girlfriend at the time, Mary Haskins Gray, do not get along. So Lauren doesn't get along with Michael's girlfriend, which causes even more tension, which also says something. Well, I just, I think as far as I'm concerned, I tell you, since the soon, as soon as she opened her mouth, I don't think she gets along with anyone. So then Lauren begins posting frequently on social media about Michael and his staff. It's. They show. I mean, they show at the end, kind of in the trial. There were thousands and thousands of pages of her posts. This isn't like she just, just degrading him, talking badly about him, talking about going to war with him. I mean, she's insane. She's crazy.

[Shane]

With her trainer?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, with her trainer. So I, I don't know. She used.

[Shane]

But then she continues to use her trainer.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes. This is the part that makes no sense to me. So I don't know the exact timeline, but it seems like pretty early on in this, in this contract or however long she's going to be there, she starts getting really irritated. There was also some tension with a horse because Michael Barrison had a very, very expensive horse, like a Grand prix horse that he rode in the Olympics. So you're talking about. I don't know what the horse is worth, but I mean, a lot, a lot of money.

[Shane]

It's a lot. Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I guess he allowed Lauren to ride the horse one time or something during a lesson. And then she was like, Then she was like, this horse is mine. This horse should be mine. And I, I.

[Shane]

Entitled. There's your entitled.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. And then there's like some stalking as far as the horse is concerned. He. He talks about how she would ride the horse when she wasn't allowed to ride the horse. But then I fe. Not only with the girlfriend was there tension, but there was tension building with this very expensive Grand Prix horse that

[Shane]

anyone at this place.

[Emily Simpson]

No, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you, I was not wrong in my initial, my initial thoughts and perception of her as soon as she started talking. Yeah.

[Shane]

How many people you think say that when they watch your confessionals?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Shane]

The second I saw her, I knew.

[Emily Simpson]

Thank you. So Lauren begins posting frequently on social media about Michael and his stuff staff. A July 25, 2019 post stated, it's about time to possibly go to war. Anyone who repeatedly kicks a resting beast will eventually wake her up.

[Shane]

She's the beast.

[Emily Simpson]

She's the beast. Another post from Lauren stated, I am not responsible for anything my other personalities do when I am threatened. I'm telling you, this is just a small sample.

[Shane]

That's interesting. That's an interesting defense.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

That was not me, your honor. That was my other personality. You don't have jurisdiction over him.

[Emily Simpson]

Michael claims that her posts on social media were threatening and contributed to stress and fear. So then we get to about mid-2019. First of all, how awkward is this? She lives at his property on. On site and she's training, but while she's training, she's posting, like, horrible, defamatory, threatening type of posts about everyone at this barn.

[Shane]

I know.

[Emily Simpson]

It's like all this.

[Shane]

It's like at night when you're in be. I'm still up awake, and then I get like little. Little dings of like, you know, like, you send me little cute videos. But he would get dings of the other person in the other room bashing him.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So that's.

[Shane]

That's all. That's where it was going.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay. I never know. When you start telling personal stories, I start to get a little nervous.

[Shane]

Well, that says something, isn't it?

[Emily Simpson]

So now we're to mid 2019. Everything is starting to escalate. Both parties are accusing each other of harassment and bullying. Allegedly, Michael is threatening to blackball Lauren the sport. I don't know. She. He makes. She claims that he makes some type of comment about how, like, he.

[Shane]

He knows people or something.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, like he's been. He's, you know, an Olympic writer and he's very well, you know, within this. This society and that he could, you know, probably. Well, probably.

[Shane]

Probably just say, look, look at her Twitter account. Look at all the posts. She says, don't deal with her. That's probably enough. How long has this relationship been going on?

[Emily Simpson]

You know, I don't know. They don't give specifics. Well, first of all, I don't know how long the original contract was. I don't.

[Shane]

Contract was with the dad up until the end. Whenever this crime occurs.

[Emily Simpson]

I believe that she was there about a year.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

But there were multiple. This is the part I also don't understand. And we'll get to this a little bit more. But he. He ends up calling the police on her multiple times. And the police keep saying it's a civil situation, not a criminal one. Basically, like, you all need to figure this out yourself.

[Shane]

Yeah. Being mean is a civil situation.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So the part that I don't understand is why he did not just. Just ask. Give her 30 days notice?

[Shane]

I don't know. That's why I didn't say. I wonder if, like, the eviction laws are tough or maybe he needed the money.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, I don't. I didn't understand that he. They allude later to like his attorney sending, they call it fake images. Scared of her.

[Shane]

I mean you have this crazy lady and you're supposed to be Victor and her horses. Yeah, that, I mean that can't be easy.

[Emily Simpson]

So Lauren starts to report Michael to Safe Sport, which is an independent non profit organization created by Congress to prevent emotional, physical and sexual abuse in the US Olympic and par. Olympic movement. Police are called multiple times by Michael in the days leading up to this incident and they claim there's nothing that they can do to help him. Lauren also contacts emergency services at least once. So you've got Michael calling the police and the police coming, and then you've got Lauren calling this organization called Safe School.

[Shane]

What's he calling the police for? She's annoying me. I mean she's not.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I think he, he makes claims that like at night. I didn't understand this part either, but he makes some claim that at night time he kept calling her a ninj and saying that like at night she was like up in the trees. And I didn't understand that he kept saying at night time she's in the trees and she's a ninja. So I, I don't know, but she's so nutty that I thought maybe how weird is that?

[Shane]

Like he's in his bedroom and out the window he sees her in a tree.

[Emily Simpson]

I, I don't know. I was like, is that an analogy to something or is she literally dressed like a ninja, like stalking in a

[Shane]

tree dress or not? That's impressive.

[Emily Simpson]

Right? Well, she also secretly recorded a lot of his conversations that he was having with his employees within the office at the barn.

[Shane]

How did she do that?

[Emily Simpson]

She slipped some recording device into his office in the barn and was recording a lot of his conversations.

[Shane]

I think she might be in violation of her rental agreement.

[Emily Simpson]

You would, you would think so.

[Shane]

And his civil rights.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So then in August 7th of two, we get to 2019, we get to the shooting incident. First of all, I believe what escalates the shooting incident is. So remember how Lauren called Safesport and she was like making accusations against Michael that he was bullying her or whatever. And then she talks about how when she called Safesport, they were asking if there were any minors on the property. She doesn't say what she said. But when this incident occurs, the catalyst really is that CPS shows up at the barn because Michael and she must

[Shane]

have said there was minors. Are there miners on the property?

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, because Michael's girlfriend that works for him, that's another writer and also a Trainer at the barn has children which

[Shane]

live there or pass through there.

[Emily Simpson]

They live there as well. So obviously that.

[Shane]

That raised that elevated.

[Emily Simpson]

Right, the complaint. Exactly. So obviously when Lauren is having these conversations with Safe Sport, she says in her interview that they were asking if there were minors on the property. I doubt that's the way the conversation went. I'm sure Lauren called and said there's minors on the property and who knows what allegations she made. Anyway, CPS ends up showing up at the barn in order to interview Mary about the kids. And so CPS goes into the office with Mary and at this point, I think Michael's like losing his mind with this woman because now, oh, he's probably

[Shane]

had it with her.

[Emily Simpson]

He has, he's. It's escalated beyond all the social media bullying attention at the barn.

[Shane]

You know what he should do?

[Emily Simpson]

What should he do?

[Shane]

Kill her.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh,

[Shane]

I was being sarcastic. He clearly should not kill her.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, clearly he should not, but it is a crime. So August 7th of 2019 is the actual shooting incident. Michael confronts Lauren and Rob at the farmhouse they're staying at on his property. Remember I told you they're staying in the farmhouse, but it's a ways from the bar.

[Shane]

What state are we in again?

[Emily Simpson]

We're in New Jersey.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Emily Simpson]

We're at this beautiful training equestrian facility in New Jersey. I did do wife swap in New Jersey.

[Shane]

I think it was close to this place. Maybe because you were at a place that's a horse.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, but it was not a training facility. Equestrian training facility. No, there was one.

[Shane]

Grand prix. Horses.

[Emily Simpson]

No, there was a horse in the backyard and some pigs and. No, one pig. And a lot of chickens and a lot. And some goats.

[Shane]

All right.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

You didn't drive him crazy?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, he didn't shoot me while I was there. I was only there a week. So there was no incidents. But I don't know if I could. If I stayed a full year, I don't know, he probably.

[Shane]

There probably would have been an incident, a different story.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So Michael confronts Lauren and Rob at the farmhouse. And remember what his state of mind is? CPS has shown up. There's allegations of some type of something.

[Shane]

I'm only getting five grand a month.

[Emily Simpson]

He's been dealing with this woman. She's been posting non stop on social media. He's armed with a 9 millimeter handgun that belonged to a friend of his who was visiting at the time. There was another woman there. I believe her name was Ruth and she was a rider.

[Shane]

She brought her gun as a visitor.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, here he says during his interview that he knew ruth always had a 9 millimeter handgun. And he says that he asked Ruth, do you have.

[Shane]

That night she comes for writing lessons and has her. Yeah, she brings her nine millimeter and gun.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, it's a pink gun too, by the way. Also, this is dressage. She writes dressage at this barn. Her name's Ruth, who's an older lady. He claims in the interview that he Knew Ruth has a 9 millimeter that she always carries on her. And he said, do you have your gun? And she said, yes, I guess she always keeps it in her car. And he said, no, don't keep it in your car. You need to put it in the safe in his office.

[Shane]

Yeah, he need to let me hold it.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So she takes the gun out of her car, puts it in his safe in his office. So I don't know what you want to do with that fact. If that's premeditation, whatever you want to think.

[Shane]

Of course it is.

[Emily Simpson]

Maybe.

[Shane]

How long had she been going there with her pink gun? And he never once said, put it in the safe.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. But this time he asked her to put it in the safe. So that's the gun that he uses. So he's armed with the 9 millimeter handgun that belonged to his friend. Lauren Canorac is shot twice in the tr. In the chest. Her boyfriend Rob is shot once. So he shoots both of them. He shoots her twice in the chest. And Rob, despite her injuries, Lauren manages to call 91 1. Police arrive and find Lauren critically injured on the ground. And Rob is actually on top. I don't know. He. He must have shot Rob somewhere. That didn't do much because Rob's the one that's restraining him. He actually manages.

[Shane]

Yeah, it could very well be struggle

[Emily Simpson]

with him, get him down to the ground. He's, like, laying on top of him. And then the gun is laying near Michael.

[Shane]

There's a little bit of a. A wrestling match. And then she goes and calls 91 1.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, she's laying on the ground, so she must have just had her phone.

[Shane]

Yeah, but she calls 911 while they're at a wrestling.

[Emily Simpson]

91 1. Rob, the boyfriend, manages to get on top of. Of Michael and wrestle him down and, like, hold him down, pin him down. And then the guns laying on the ground.

[Shane]

The pink gun.

[Emily Simpson]

The pink gun, yes. So police arrive and find Lauren critically injured on the ground. Rob is restraining Michael Barison, and the gun is laying near Michael's hand. August of 2019, we're still here. Lauren is rushed to the hospital and undergoes emergency surgery. She remains in crit and is placed in a coma for four days. She ends up surviving the shooting even though she was shot in the chest. That's pretty amazing to get shot in the chest. I don't know how far away he was when he shot her. I don't know if he was 6ft back or 3ft back or you know, like point blank, like right up to her. I don't know the details of that. I feel like they didn't really go into that. But they do show a body cam footage of when the police arrived and

[Shane]

what it looked like when everyone, when they arrived.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, they, when they, when they arrived, they kind of pull him over, over to the side and he's just kind of sitting on the ground and you know, he's all disheveled. And it showed her just in the hospital with tubes and everything and so

[Shane]

did she go back to posting when she woke up?

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, she probably, probably did.

[Shane]

So I got a lot of material now to post about.

[Emily Simpson]

Right?

[Shane]

You thought I was crazy. It's him.

[Emily Simpson]

So we're still in August of 2019 and Michael is arrested the day after the shooting. He is charged with two counts of first degree attempted murder and weapons related

[Shane]

charges, namely handling a pink gun.

[Emily Simpson]

Handling a pink gun. Michael remains in jail for over two years while he awaits trial.

[Shane]

Dude, that Sucks.

[Emily Simpson]

This is 2018-2022.

[Shane]

She drove him so crazy and he made the wrong choice. I'm not defending that at all. That she drove him so crazy and he put up with it and then he just lost it and now his whole life has pivoted for the worse. I mean, that guy's never gonna be Olympics again for one. I mean, not really, but I mean, he's never gonna be able to participate in it in any way. I mean, his whole life has changed.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

See what women can do? They can really drive a man crazy.

[Emily Simpson]

Literally.

[Shane]

Yeah. I mean, no way am I defending his actions. But he, he had so many choices. Kick her out, cut her off.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, you know, I do know.

[Shane]

Not shooter.

[Emily Simpson]

Not shooter. You know, I do remember, I do believe. In her interview she did say that the reason why she was not leaving the property was because she had three horses there and that he had done that. Michael had contacted other equestrian barns or other people within the industry and blacklisted her so that there wasn't anywhere she could take her horse.

[Shane]

That was dumb of him because he stuck with her.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know if I believe that. I Don't know.

[Shane]

If he had done that, that would have been. Actually, that's so stupid. He wouldn't have done that. He would have sold this lady. He would have been like, oh, she's great. Five grand a month, take her.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So I don't know if I believe that. I believe that was an excuse that she used as to why she wasn't.

[Shane]

Almost like he bullied her. Right. Like, now he wanted me here and he's trapping me and he's bullying me.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, I think she enjoyed driving this man to just the point of insanity. And she knew she did it and she knew she was doing it. Well, I think she is very entitled. Like we talked about earlier. I think that she wanted to be there. I think she felt like she needed. And her horses were, you know, spectacular and she was going to be an Olympic rider and this is the way she was going to do it and she was going to bully her way through it and she didn't want to leave because I'm telling you, if that was me and I had three horses, I would figure out what to do with my horses. I would. You could figure it out. And she has a dad who's monetarily supporting her lifestyle and her goal.

[Shane]

She stayed for a reason.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. Because I think she enjoyed bullying him. I think she took joy out of driving this man to the point of insanity.

[Shane]

Well, you don't know the J.P. morgan case, do you?

[Emily Simpson]

No.

[Shane]

You don't know that J.P. morgan lady?

[Emily Simpson]

No.

[Shane]

Last week she. Well, she had a. Like an assistant of some kind. I don't know his title. I think she was pretty high up and he. She had a male assistant and he's alleged that she's been harassing him, abusing him in the workplace, like, sexually or just. But yes. Yeah, like very much. Like these detailed accounts of what she's doing to him and the comments she makes to him. You read it and you're just like, jaw dropping. It's a. And then it turned out it was fake.

[Emily Simpson]

Oh, he made it up.

[Shane]

He made it all up.

[Emily Simpson]

Wow.

[Shane]

At least that's the story that's going around now. Yeah. And he's. There's. Because I think texts and things have been uncovered to show that it's faked and he's been trying to harass. Do it to other people anyway. But this one was real.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes.

[Shane]

This is a lady that really did harass him.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, absolutely.

[Shane]

Because it's unusual for this way, it'd be more likely that he would be dom exercising dominance over her.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And bullying her and pushing her around. Right. And being the one in control because 1. He's the trainer also.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And he's an Olympic trainer and it's his property.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So the trial lasts approximately three weeks. Michael hires. He doesn't go with the public defender. He. He hires a very well known, expensive defense attorney.

[Shane]

Again, showing the father had money.

[Emily Simpson]

No, I'm talking about Michael.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Emily Simpson]

His name is Michael.

[Shane]

Oh, good. Good for Michael.

[Emily Simpson]

Yes, good for Michael. Michael claims he does not remember the shooting. And his defense argues that he was temporarily insane at the time of the incident. So that's what the defense goes with. They're going with.

[Shane]

He probably was.

[Emily Simpson]

They're going with insanity. And I don't remember what this.

[Shane]

She drove him crazy.

[Emily Simpson]

I don't remember what the statistic was. I think they said it during the documentary. But something like less than 1% cases actually end up where that works. Like the.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

Like the defense of insanity is actually.

[Shane]

I've talked about this before. The battered woman syndrome with. It was the burning. How The Burning bed with Farah Faucet. You don't remember that movie? No, it's like straight to TV movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. Farah Fawcet, based on a true story, though, that she was living with an abusive male. I don't remember if it was the father of her children or not, but she had several children. And he was so abusive towards her and she couldn't get out of the situation.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Because he would kill her and he would trap her and all these things that she waited for him to come home drunk and then she poured. And he passed out in bed and then she poured gasoline all around him and set it on fire and grabbed the children and left. And then she. She was the, I believe, the first case where it was battered. Windham syndrome defense.

[Emily Simpson]

Battered woman just.

[Shane]

Yeah. Syndrome defense. Where it's. It's the only way out. The only way for me to survive with my children was to kill him.

[Emily Simpson]

Him.

[Shane]

Like that was my only hope for survival.

[Emily Simpson]

So what was the outcome?

[Shane]

What was success for her?

[Emily Simpson]

Uhhuh.

[Shane]

And I don't remember. I know it's evolved since then.

[Emily Simpson]

She must have had wellestablished documentation of all of these.

[Shane]

I think so, yeah. I mean, I'd have to go back and relive the story and watch it and all, but.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, so that's. His defense is temporary.

[Shane]

And Farah Fawcett.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, back to Michael Baron.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

He is now on trial and the defense is claiming temporary insanity at the time of the incident.

[Shane]

It's kind of like that, temporary.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, it's basically the argument that he's not normally insane.

[Shane]

I know it's like I'm, I'm, I'm insane during this moment, so don't hold me accountable, but I'm fine now.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, he wasn't. Here's the thing. This is. I really honestly didn't understand this part. So if anyone has any further information or any other thoughts on this, let me know, because it. So he pleads temporary insanity. They show the court, they, they show the trial. He shows up at the trial looking like a deranged lunatic. I don't know if his defense attorney told him.

[Shane]

Yeah, he did. Isn't that what they do? Like, they're like, oh, like if it's a female killer, right. They're like, put your, put these reading glasses on, right. Put your hair in a bun.

[Emily Simpson]

Right?

[Shane]

Right. Wear a little, you know, collared shirt and button it all the way up.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

So they told him, look like a, look like you're insane.

[Emily Simpson]

O. So but the thing is, the defense is temporary insanity.

[Shane]

That's why I don't like it.

[Emily Simpson]

So it's temporary insanity, meaning that he was only insane in that moment that she drove him to insanity.

[Shane]

And I could have told you that. Of course he was insane.

[Emily Simpson]

He's not responsible for his actions because he was temporarily insane when he shot her. Then, you know, two years later, because he's in jail, right. He's waiting his trial.

[Shane]

Two years later, he still looks insane.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So I'm saying two years later he shows up for trial and he looks like a deranged lunatic.

[Shane]

Well, because if he was in a three piece suit and all clean cut, it wouldn't have worked.

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, so he. Let me just tell you what he looks like. So he shows up in court. His hair is long and disheveled. His eyes are like wide open and he's like shaking,

[Shane]

convulsing.

[Emily Simpson]

He's, you know, and he like looks like he doesn't know where he is. And his like, shirt's kind of disheveled. And this is what he looks like the entire time. Like, it, it, it was very theatrical. It was very theatrical.

[Shane]

What'd she look like?

[Emily Simpson]

She looked like the same. Entitled.

[Shane]

What does she look like normally?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, are you asking me if she's attracted.

[Shane]

I'm asking you to judge her. Yes. Judge her appearance or describe her appearance?

[Emily Simpson]

I don't know. I mean, she's young. I, I don't know how old she is. She looks like she's probably in her 30s and she's blonde. And I would say she's okay, so she's, she's.

[Shane]

Yeah, there's nothing unique about her.

[Emily Simpson]

It's hard for me because her personality is. Is so horrific. It's hard for me to get past that. To get past that. Yes. All right, so Michael appears to be mentally unstable at the time of his trial.

[Shane]

How do you look when he wasn't temporarily insane? I mean, did he look like a put together man?

[Emily Simpson]

Okay, well, in the doc, that's what I mean.

[Shane]

Like, does he look.

[Emily Simpson]

So in the documentary, they're interviewing him and he, he looks, he's, he's a

[Shane]

handsome man, but he's put together together. He has a button down on intelligent.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. He speaks well. He's, you know, his hair's nice. He has a nice outfit on. He, he looks, looks not insane.

[Shane]

At least not permanently insane.

[Emily Simpson]

No, he's temporarily insane. Apparently the temporary insanity only lasted for the shooting and then the trial.

[Shane]

Yeah, I'm afraid you're going to learn from this. You're just gonna complete temporary insanity like every day.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. So Michael appears to be mentally unstable at the time of his trial. Many people believe it was an elaborate performance. You know, obviously his defense attorney, I mean, he has a very expensive, high power defense attorney. I would assume it was at his direction that he. Look, if we're going for a temporary insanity and we want the jury to buy that you were temporarily insane, you need to look insane in court. Like, for the jury to buy it, they have to look at you and think, yeah, you're nuts. And so he shows up to court and he looks, he looks nuts. Yeah, Yeah.

[Shane]

I overdid it, though.

[Emily Simpson]

It sounds like I thought it looked strange. But then I also understand, I understand that if he did show up looking well put together with, like you said, an expensive suit and his hair cut and looking like a normal, A normal guy, you know, a well kept, well dressed. Then it's hard for the jury to picture him as insane. So he gave them the visual that they needed. So the prosecution centered on the argument that Michael was sane, deliberate, and acting with clear intent to kill. Again, I'm sure. You know, we talked about the gun. We talked about how he asked Ruth to take the gun out of the car and put it in the safe. He knew where the gun was. He got the gun. He also. It was a long, like I said, from where the gun was at the barn.

[Shane]

A lot of time to deliberate, right?

[Emily Simpson]

There's a lot of time. There's Right, A cooling off period. Right.

[Shane]

A lot of time.

[Emily Simpson]

That's a time for you to have a gun in hand and then travel to where she is located. And at no point in time did he say, you know what? I probably shouldn't shoot this woman. This isn't the way to solve it. But he didn't. 2022, the verdict comes out. The jury deliberates for four days.

[Shane]

Wait, how long is he in jail now? This whole time?

[Emily Simpson]

Well, he was in jail.

[Shane]

It was two years.

[Emily Simpson]

Over two years.

[Shane]

So they didn't release him? He didn't get out on bail or anything?

[Emily Simpson]

No, he was in jail for over two years awaiting trial. So he was never released on bail.

[Shane]

Oh, well, then maybe he did look like that because he was in jail for two years.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, he was in jail for two years.

[Shane]

No, I know, but I'm saying maybe. Yeah, but he prolonged his insanity.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. I mean, I guess jail could do that to you.

[Shane]

If I was in jail, I'd probably. My hair would probably be a mess.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah, because you wouldn't get your big gulps and you're what? You're in and out. So you would be a mess.

[Shane]

I wouldn't have you telling me you need a haircut.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Every day.

[Emily Simpson]

Exactly. The jury deliberates for four days, and Michael is found not guilty by reason of insanity.

[Shane]

Wow. That. That verdict is insane.

[Emily Simpson]

Right? Here's.

[Shane]

Here's my little play on words.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. Here's the thing.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

I. No matter what my disdain is for Lauren, the jury got it wrong. You cannot.

[Shane]

Well, yeah. So he has no punishment of any kind. He is scot free.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, because he's found not guilty by reason of insanity, Michael is committed to a psychiatric hospital immediately after the verdict. However, he remained under psychiatric care for one year before being deemed mentally stable and released back into the public. So In November of 2023, he was released from the psychiatric hospital. He's back to his regular life.

[Shane]

Yeah. He'll never have a regular life.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I mean, would you. Would you want to train with him? No, because you might say the wrong thing.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

And then he will shoot you.

[Emily Simpson]

I. I think a lot of people at the barn and a lot of people in that equestrian. Yeah. Because I believe when they showed the tr. Showed the verdict, there were a lot of people that were very supportive of him. I think they had known him, they'd known who he was. I think they really did believe that she was so awful that she pushed him to that point, and that normally would have never happened.

[Shane]

Well, she was doing it online Right.

[Emily Simpson]

However, you know, the. I don't know. I still am under. I'm still under the belief that even though she was awful and horrible and I believe she harassed him and she did terrible things to him and she was a bully and she was awful, you can't. The jury got it wrong. I mean, he should have been. There should have been some type of punitive. Something punitive for him. You cannot.

[Shane]

Well, I think his.

[Emily Simpson]

You can't pick up a gun and shoot someone who might do it again.

[Shane]

If you're temporarily insane, which I don't know how accurate that is. Right. But let's say someone is temporarily insane. Well, then they can become insane again, man, and shoot someone again.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Or punch someone in the face and they fall down and crack their head.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So on December 15th of 2025, Michael Barrison's status and the u. S. Center for safe sports database was updated to permanently ineligible because of sexual harassment, emotional misconduct, and violating the u. S. Equestrian federation policies and bylaws. Lauren Canorac continues riding horses and remains involved in the sport. She also is still in a relationship with Ro Goodwin. So Michael Barrison's no longer eligible to participate in the olympics. He can't ride in the Olympics anymore.

[Shane]

But that's an Olympic thing, right?

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

Wait a minute. Does he have a clean record then? No, he has something on his record. Right? Did I miss that part?

[Emily Simpson]

No, he doesn't. He doesn't.

[Shane]

Not even the handling of firearms or nothing. He. He had no felonies of any kind on his record.

[Emily Simpson]

Now, the only thing was that he was. That they talked about was that he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. So I assume he was found not guilty for all.

[Shane]

Okay, so my question is, what did they base banning him from the Olympics on? Because it might be like, oh, you have a felony, and anyone with a violent felony can't be on, you know, like that. But in this case, what is it?

[Emily Simpson]

After the trial, what happened was there were two other minors, like females that came forward and said that he had sexually harassed them, and he ends up banned from the sport because of that. But I think there was a lot of people.

[Shane]

But he probably got highlighted because he was in the media and stuff that made it those. Those girls come out.

[Emily Simpson]

Well, a lot of people think it was at the direction of Lauren, too, that she possibly was behind that as well, because I think there were a lot of people in the industry, in the equestrian world that knew him and knew him for many years that thought that that was never something that he would have done. And it seemed, I don't know, it's suspect. Right. That all of a sudden.

[Shane]

Right. She might have, she might have glorified something. Right. They said, oh, yeah, he, he did ask me out on a date once, and then she just pushed it in that direction and got him to report it.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. So that's, I assume that he. I'm sure he's appealing that, that decision. I'm sure there's some type of appeals process.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Emily Simpson]

So I don't know. I, I don't know how I feel about it. I, I feel like on one hand, I'm. I'm sad for this man because I think she just harassed him to no end.

[Shane]

He's sad for someone. Doesn't mean what they did was right. But you still.

[Emily Simpson]

Right. I do. I feel badly for him. I feel badly that he's banned from the sport, that he is the top end.

[Shane]

He spent two to three years locked up.

[Emily Simpson]

I feel horrible that he had to endure this woman and her, her, her bullying and harassment and all the things she did and all the things she posted, you know, and as someone that's in the public eye, you know, you couldn't have a thick skin for so long, but it does get to you. I mean, there's so much that you can take and there, there are times when it's overwhelming, you know, especially, you know, you can. And Shane says this to me all the time, you know, what do you care that Judy in Oklahoma said something, you know, nasty about you? But it ends up when there's so many duties in Oklahoma over and over

[Shane]

and over, you know, it's like if a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it. Doesn't make a sound kind of thing. So it's like if you don't read it, it doesn't exist.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

But you insist on reading it, so it exists.

[Emily Simpson]

I really don't, though.

[Shane]

Well, do you know, two weeks ago, remember Storage Wars? I know you've seen that on occasion.

[Emily Simpson]

I saw someone.

[Shane]

Yeah, A guy, Daryl Sheets.

[Emily Simpson]

He.

[Shane]

He committed suicide because he, he had been bullied online for so long. People were, I don't know, people. Someone at least was taking his name, using his identity, claiming, you know, I don't know, like sexual things and whatever. And a lot of his co workers and colleagues from the show and elsewhere were saying that he had been complaining about it for years, that. That someone's like, you know, attacking him. Right. Directly and indirectly. And it drove him to the point of, you know, he Shot himself.

[Emily Simpson]

That's awful.

[Shane]

I mean, 67. He had two young. Well, relatively young boys. They weren't minors, but young. He was like a family. Everyone described him as a family man. All he cared about with his boys and his wife. Like, he didn't really do much more than that. And. But he couldn't take it anymore, even communicating with everyone. And they probably sympathized with him and let reminded him that, no, you're. You're. You're legit. Like, you're okay. Like you're loved you. This doesn't define you. I'm sure they said all these things, things. It didn't matter. He took his own life.

[Emily Simpson]

Yeah. That's why you have to be really careful. This is my PSA for this episode, and we're going to end it. But a lot of people out there use social media as a way to attack people. And at the end of the day, we're all just humans and moms and dads and we're all just trying to do the best we can. And, you know, it really is. It really is difficult sometimes when you have a lot of people attacking you just because they see something on tv,

[Shane]

and it's hard, and it's not a license to attack.

[Emily Simpson]

Right.

[Shane]

I know I always say you can't judge what you see on the show because that's whole point of the show. You watch it, you have an opinion, you agree, disagree, you know, learn something, you know, whatever it is. But then when they start going personal now, they're just like, you're a horrible human being. And right. In this case, they Daryl Sheets. They took his identity and they use it and they abuse it and they mock him, and it's like, it's not a free for.

[Emily Simpson]

All right, all right. Well, thank you again for the recommendation. I thought this was a really interesting story. And again, if you want to watch it, it's on Netflix, and it's called the Shooting at Hawthorne Hill. If you have any thoughts or, you know, any more information on it, please DM me. I always like to hear your. Your thoughts on the cases we talk about. Again, thank you so much for listening. Please tell your friends and family. And again, please follow Legally Brunette. And if you're not following us, make sure you do, because all of our episodes go into our Legally Brunette feed. So thank you so much for listening, guys. We appreciate you.

[Shane]

Thank you.

[Emily Simpson]

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