“Lock Them Up” Republican Lawmakers Want NFL, NBC and Bad Bunny to Answer for “Illegal” Halftime Show

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: “Lock Them Up” Republican Lawmakers Want NFL, NBC and Bad Bunny to Answer for “Illegal” Halftime Show

Release Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes

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Overview:

This episode dives into the political firestorm that erupted after the 2026 Super Bowl halftime show featuring Bad Bunny. Two Republican congressmen, Andy Ogles (Tennessee) and Randy Fine (Florida), are calling for congressional investigations and criminal charges against the NFL, NBC, and Bad Bunny, alleging that the halftime performance constituted "illegal" indecency broadcast nationally. Amy and T.J. dissect the lawmakers’ outrage, analyze the cultural and political motivations, debunk claims of illegal acts, and discuss the broader implications for American culture and parental choice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights:

1. Political Outrage or Election-Year Stunt?

• T.J. introduces the controversy: Congressman Ogles wants a formal inquiry into the Super Bowl halftime show, calling for legal repercussions against those involved.
  • “A US Congressman has put out a statement saying that he wants to lock up the NFL, the NBC folks, and Bad Bunny over the halftime show.” (02:13)
• Amy speculates it's part “feigned outrage in a midterm election year” and questions if this is where lawmakers should focus their energy. (02:40)

2. Breaking Down Andy Ogles’ Statement

• Ogles’ letter is read and critiqued for its melodramatic language, e.g.:
  • “The Apple Music Super Bowl 60 halftime show was pure smut. Brazenly aired on national television for every American family to witness.” (04:38)
  • “Children were forced to endure explicit displays of gay sexual acts, women gyrating provocatively, and Bad Bunny shamelessly grabbing his crotch while dry humping the air.” (05:01)
• Amy and T.J. ridicule the idea that any illegal acts occurred, pointing out the subjective nature of “indecency”.
  • “You know what? Look at the cheerleaders halftime show...there's gyrating going on. It happens every day at every sporting event. So this is hilarious.” (05:49)
  • “You don't have to add the provocatively if you're gyrating. It's only one.” (06:14, T.J.)

3. Context: Cultural and Parental Choices

• Amy broadens the conversation, observing that parents routinely permit children to see violence in media, but are suddenly shocked by sexualized dancing.
  • “There is so much violence that we see and expose our children to each and every day. We don't talk about that. But we're upset that there is dancing that could be described as provocative.” (08:18)

4. Hypocrisy and Selectivity

• Comparison to other Super Bowl halftime shows (e.g., Shakira/J.Lo) and mainstream music:
  • “What are most songs about? Sex, lust, love, period. So this is no exception.” (09:52, Amy)
• Hosts highlight the hypocrisy of selectively targeting artists based on language and culture.

5. Analyses of the Indecency Claims

• Detailed takedown of the "explicit content":
  • “While the set was performed predominantly in Spanish, it was completely performed in Spanish...the lyrics openly glorified sodomy and countless other unspeakable depravities.” (06:20, Ogles quoted by Amy)
  • T.J. counters: “Thank God it was in Spanish and I didn't understand any.” (06:40)
  • Both hosts note that Bad Bunny censored profanity and that standard broadcast precautions were in place to avoid violating FCC rules.

6. Subjectivity of Offense & Parental Responsibility

• Amy: “Someone can see something as art and fun and beautiful and an expression of love and lust...other people can see it the way he sees it. But guess what is so great about a remote control? You can turn it off.” (11:39)
• T.J. underscores cultural differences and calls for more understanding:
  • “You're watching one person's culture that you might not be familiar with and it looks foreign to you and it looks vulgar to you, it looks nasty to you, but over here, it's joy, it's celebration, it's love.” (16:34)

7. Randy Fine’s Escalation: ‘Lock Them Up’

• Fine’s X (Twitter) post demands legal action against Bad Bunny, the NFL, and NBC, claiming that had the lyrics—when taken from studio versions—been sung in English on air, the show would have been fined and shut down.
  • “Bad Bunny’s disgusting halftime show was illegal...Lock them up.” (22:16–25:13)
• Amy and T.J. clarify the misleading nature of using explicit lyrics from studio tracks as evidence of broadcast violations:
  • “It’s unfair to take a Bad Bunny song as it was recorded, not performed on television, and say, here are the lyrics that he was singing in Spanish that you didn’t even realize are so vulgar. He didn’t sing all of the lyrics to his songs.” (23:29, Amy)

8. Political Posturing vs. Genuine Concern

• Amy and T.J. attribute the outrage to political posturing—motivated by division, reelection tactics, and self-interest rather than true concern for children or American culture.
  • “This is a political stunt. And yes, there may be real feelings behind it, but clearly this is motivated by division, motivated by reelection, motivated by total selfish interest.” (26:04, Amy)

9. Final Thoughts: Cultural Division & Hypocrisy

• The hosts encourage Americans to approach such cultural moments with curiosity, not outrage, and call out the problems with politicians picking and choosing whose morality they impose:
  • T.J.: “Can’t you give it a try as an American, let’s sit down at the same table. Maybe you like that food. I like this food. We could sit down at the damn table.” (25:13)
  • Amy: “Morals are morals. You’ve just laid a boundary down now. We better not hear him listening to Eminem...you say these types of things, you put them in writing, you put them on Twitter, you send letters of inquiry saying, this is what I believe and this is wrong.” (29:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Outrage and Election Tactics:
  • Amy (03:22): “We are so quick to say, we’re gonna sue you. We’re gonna arrest you. Cause if you do something or say something I don’t like, I’m gonna make sure you pay. This is what this feels like. But it also feels like rallying the base and taking an opportunity to use a situation for your own advantage and be dramatic as hell and act like you’re saving the world when really you’re just trying to get reelected.”
• On Parental Responsibility:
  • Amy (11:39): “You can turn it off. You could have turned and tuned into the All American halftime show. You have choices and options as a viewer and as a parent.”
• On Cultural Perception:
  • T.J. (16:34): “What someone might interpret as like you’re watching one person’s culture that you might not be familiar with and it looks foreign to you and it looks vulgar to you, it looks nasty to you, but over here, it’s joy, it’s celebration, it’s love.”
• On Hypocrisy and Consistency:
  • Amy (29:55): “When you take a moral stand like this, you can’t pick and choose. Morals are morals. You’ve just laid a boundary down now. We better not hear him listening to Eminem.”

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Key Timestamps

• 02:13 — T.J. introduces the main story: Congressional outrage at Bad Bunny’s halftime show
• 04:38 — Reading & dissecting Andy Ogles’ inflammatory statement
• 05:01 — Discussion of the alleged “explicit displays”; Amy and T.J. mocking the hyperbole
• 06:40 — Language barrier discussion; Bad Bunny’s lyrics and broadcast standards
• 09:52 — Comparing this show to past halftime performances
• 11:39 — Amy emphasizes parental choice with remote controls
• 16:34 — T.J. reframes controversy as a matter of cultural perception
• 22:16 — Introduction of Randy Fine’s “lock them up” post
• 23:29 — Debunking the claim that all explicit lyrics aired live
• 25:13 — T.J. laments inability to enjoy even music without culture-war fights
• 26:04 — Amy calls out the political stunt aspect
• 29:55 — Discussion about being consistent if you take a moral stand

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Flow and Tone

The hosts balance humor, seriousness, and exasperation—swinging from mockery of the political posturing to more earnest reflections on culture, parental responsibility, and the media’s role. They’re direct but fair, frequently emphasizing choices, context, and the absurdity of congressional action over a musical performance. The conversational tone is fast, witty, and flavored with indignation at hypocrisy.

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Conclusion

Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes use this controversy to expose the performative side of political moral panics, highlight the cultural richness of events like the Super Bowl halftime show, and ultimately call for curiosity and open-mindedness over outrage. They remind listeners that in a diverse country, provocation and celebration often depend on one’s point of view—and that, in the end, everyone has the power to change the channel.

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Transcript

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[T.J. Holmes]

Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, February 10, and lock them up. Who? The NFL, NBC and bad Bunny. And you know who wants him in jail? U.S. congressman. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rose. This is actually happening. A US Congressman has put out a statement saying that he wants to lock up the NFL, the NBC folks, and Bad Bunny over the halftime show.

[Amy Robach]

This is actually. I don't. Is this feigned outrage in a midterm election year? Or is this really something that we should have our lawmakers be focusing on to represent us and to make sure that American family values are solidly in place?

[T.J. Holmes]

Yes. So some are going to argue that both are. They are making a genuine effort here that we have to protect kids from Bad Bunny and from the NFL and from the executives at NBC who are putting smut on television for them to see at halftime. Now, I try to leave room for someone saying, genuinely, that's how they feel about it, that that's honestly what they're doing.

[Amy Robach]

I'm fine with someone. We've had this conversation recently. Knock yourselves out. Say whatever you want about anything or anyone. This is America. Right? But we are so quick to say, we're gonna sue you. We're gonna arrest you. Cause if you do something or say something I don't like, I'm gonna make sure you pay. This is what this feels like. But it also feels like rallying the base and taking an opportunity to use a situation for your own advantage and be dramatic as hell and act like you're saving the world when really you're just trying to get reelected.

[T.J. Holmes]

So these two guys are trying to get it reelected, probably. So we're talking about two. Two separate instances here in which congressmen are going after Bad Bunny's halftime performance. One of them is Representative Andy Ogles, Republican from Tennessee. The other was Representative Randy Fine. He's a Republican from Florida. Now, Ogles is the one who is asking for. Asking for a formal congressional inquiry into the super bowl halftime show. Now, he did send a letter to committee that he wants to look into it. We'll get into the in a second. Which has some pretty dramatic writing, but robes his initial Twitter or X post announcing that he wants to go after the guy.

[Amy Robach]

And it is dramatic as hell. Should we read it? I won't even need to dramatically read it because it just is, oh, so dramatic. Ogle's post reads like this. The Apple music Super Bowl 60 halftime show was pure smut. Brazenly aired on national television for every American family to witness.

[T.J. Holmes]

Brazen was a nice touch. Brazenly aired.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[T.J. Holmes]

I thought that was.

[Amy Robach]

This is fun to dissect. This my next or his next sentence is one of my favorites. Children were forced to endure explicit displays of gay sexual acts, women gyrating provocatively, and Bad Bunny shamelessly grabbing his crotch while dry humping the air.

[Ben Higgins]

Wow.

[T.J. Holmes]

They should cancel all Netflix accounts and ban Michael Jackson's music forever. Children. And what's the name of the show on. That's a hit on Netflix now with the G Hockey.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, yes, I forgot the name of it. But yes, everyone loves that. But I'm sorry, where were their gay sexual acts? I missed some stuff. I must have blinked and missed it. We were. It was dancing.

[T.J. Holmes]

Margaritas in and sitting outside. Maybe we missed some stuff.

[Amy Robach]

I saw dancing.

[T.J. Holmes]

There's a lot of dancing. It was gyrating. Have some twerking.

[Amy Robach]

You know what? Look at the cheerleaders halftime show. I'm telling you, you start watching cheerleaders dances on, like, family friendly, friendly basketball games, there's gyrating going on. It happens every day at every sporting event. So this is hilarious.

[T.J. Holmes]

But it's not the G stuff like he's talking about, right? Isn't that what he said?

[Amy Robach]

Yes, gay sexual acts. But he also was upset about the women gyrating provocatively. Again, seen at every single sporting event that I have been to recently.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay. Also, you don't have to add the provocatively if you're gyrating. It's only one.

[Amy Robach]

It's provocative.

[T.J. Holmes]

Right?

[Amy Robach]

Maybe they should. He said brazenly. Gyrating provocatively. That would have been an extra added bonus. He continues. And if that weren't outrageous enough, there's more. The performance's lyrics openly glorified sodomy and countless other unspeakable depravities. Or depravities.

[T.J. Holmes]

Thank God it was in Spanish and I didn't understand any.

[Hans Charles]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

These flagrant indecent acts are illegal to be displayed on public airways.

[T.J. Holmes]

So you right there saying you all.

[Amy Robach]

Committed a crime by dancing provocatively.

[T.J. Holmes]

Gyrating. Yes.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. These. Okay, wait. That is why I am requesting that the Energy and Commerce Committee.

[T.J. Holmes]

They're the ones that happen to have jurisdiction over this type of thing.

[Amy Robach]

That was a little confusing to me. Thank you for that explanation. I was like, why? The Energy and Commerce Committee launch a formal congressional inquiry into the National Football League and NBC immediately for their prior knowledge, deliberate approval and facilitation of this indecent broadcast. American culture will not be mocked or corrupted without consequence.

[T.J. Holmes]

Is what this was the thing that put him over the top. You know, he was. He's been dealing with TikTok for a long time. Maybe some of you other rappers, but halftime, this is this. He's drawing a line and that's. I don't know. It's not everybody's cup of tea, but if we are going to. Are we. No, stop. I am making a mistake by trying to take him on. On the merits.

[Amy Robach]

This is ridiculous.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay? I'm trying to take him on. On the merits, and that is a mistake. We understand what this is. And you can't just go out. You can't. It's impossible to say robes, that all of a sudden this dancing requires a criminal investigation.

[Amy Robach]

It was illegal.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's illegal. Not criminal investigation, whatever. Some fines, but it's robes, he said.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, I think we get. We get to the lock them up part soon here because there is this overture that somehow it is criminal and there should be some sort of imprisonment involved with the indecent halftime show we all saw. I also just want to throw this out here. I always find this fascinating. And we all can maybe question our choices with our children, but what we let our children watch, what we let our children play. Video games, violence, horror movies, thrillers, people being like, there is so much violence that we see and expose our children to each and every day. We don't talk about that. But we're upset that there is dancing that could be described as provocative.

[T.J. Holmes]

Is it the reach? Is it because of the reach? Is it because of the platform that he did have? Is it because it happened to be there? If he did it on, I don't know, Saturday Night Live, it's not as big of a audience as a Super bowl, is it. Is he going to go after Bad Bunny for that? I don't know. But again, we're taking it on. On marriage, and it doesn't. We're having the wrong conversation. Because if you're having that, that means you're distracted from something else and you're winning because they're getting us to fight about something that's not worth fighting about. I'm not worked up. Nobody should be worked up. I don't want some little child seeing a sex act. Of course I don't. But this is the super bowl halftime show, and I know that same child and every other child can go pick up TikTok and reel through, flip through robes. More videos in five minutes of the most outlandish dancing you'll ever see.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly. And I'm trying to think about other halftime shows at the super bowl that were not called out, where there was exactly the same type of dancing. Provocative lyrics that suggest and talk about all sorts of sexual acts. And they were sung in English. I know you can't curse, but clearly we've had performers. What are most songs about? Sex, lust, love, period. So this is no exception.

[T.J. Holmes]

Yeah, they don't usually come to the halftime show and start thinking about death and Things. No, it's. It's their sexiest stuff.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And they're not singing about family values.

[T.J. Holmes]

Ooh, Shakira. Remember that? Her and J. Lo.

[Amy Robach]

It was provocative and fun and exciting and.

[T.J. Holmes]

But those two.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[T.J. Holmes]

On the same thing. I mean, he must have had a fit that night.

[Amy Robach]

Didn't hear from him, though, did we?

[T.J. Holmes]

Oh, maybe we weren't paying attention. I do want to admit he did write this formal letter and some of the language in his letter. Robes is pretty. Well, it's awesome. He says to the committee chair, I'm writing to request a formal congressional inquiry. He says there's no way that they didn't have. That the NFL and NBC didn't have prior knowledge, review. Review and approval of explicit and indecent content that was broadcast. They're saying there's no way you all didn't know, therefore you all should get dragged into this. And you did wrong. He continued. The halftime performance headline by Bad Bunny was aired live during primetime hours on over the air television. Viewed by tens of millions, including a substantial number of children and families, the super bowl is consistently the largest family viewing event in American media. As such, broadcasters bear a heightened responsibility to ensure the programming aired fits the public interest. A heightened responsibility because there are kids watching. Your responsibility is greater.

[Amy Robach]

But you know what? Here's the deal. I think when it comes. I know when it comes to this sort of interpretation, it's so subjective. Someone can see something as art and fun and beautiful and an expression of love and lust and all of those things we hear music about and that it's written about and other people can see it the way he sees it. But guess what is so great about a remote control? You can turn it off. You could have turned and tuned into the All American halftime show. You have choices and options as a viewer and as a parent. And each parent should be able to make that decision without a congressman saying what he thinks and then holding certain folks accountable to a standard that not everybody agrees with.

[T.J. Holmes]

I mean, they were. I mean, I don't know what the. Are we in agreement? We're not in agreement about whether or not right is. There's an overt sex act taking place. I don't think any of us would raise our hands. Yeah, that's cool. Put that on. I want kids to watch that. I am. I am trying to leave. Did I miss something in that? I am not like. Somebody sees it differently. You just made the whole point. Somebody sees it differently. What's indecent to you is a weekend to me.

[Amy Robach]

There was nothing overt. I mean, I think you and I can both say we've seen a lot of. We were parents, and there was nothing that I saw in that halftime show where I was like, how dare they? I can't let my children see this. I mean, did you see something?

[T.J. Holmes]

I didn't.

[Amy Robach]

I didn't either.

[T.J. Holmes]

His line here is, it was. The choreography featured overtly sexualized movements, including widespread twerking, grinding, pelvic thrusts, and other sexually suggestive conduct.

[Amy Robach]

I see that on Dancing with the Stars.

[T.J. Holmes]

This is dancing.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[T.J. Holmes]

Pelvic thrusts.

[Amy Robach]

That's dancing, grinding. Yep.

[T.J. Holmes]

Widespread twerking is a pretty good line from a congressman.

[Amy Robach]

Pelvic thrusts. Okay. He goes in. This letter goes on to say, while the set was performed predominantly in Spanish, it was completely performed in Spanish.

[T.J. Holmes]

Except for that Gaga moment.

[Amy Robach]

There was a Gaga moment. It relied on songs whose sexual content remained readily apparent across any language barrier. This language barrier did not mitigate the explicit nature of the material. Rather, it heightened the broadcaster's obligation to exercise reasonable diligence in reviewing, translating, and evaluating the content prior to airing.

[T.J. Holmes]

He's saying even though it was in Spanish, it still came through as vulgar. And again, I didn't catch that. I'm not. My English and Spanish must be terrible.

[Amy Robach]

I heard songs, and we've looked at the lyrics. We've actually listened along trying to figure out what he's singing. The lyrics, again, are about girlfriends and love and lust.

[T.J. Holmes]

We should note he has some pretty raunchy stuff in some of his lyrics. So do a bunch of performers. So does Kendrick Lamar, who performed last year. And they adjust and they censor and they don't use the profanity. Now, I relied on the Spanish speakers who watched the halftime performance and the reporters who have been doing reporting on this. Yes, same thing in Spanish. He didn't blurt out anything profane in Spanish either. He censored himself. And even sometimes where a word was coming up that might be a dirty word, they said he kind of mumbled, so he kind of censored himself. Of course, he didn't broadcast any profanity. Yeah, that needs to be said, at least. But is this gonna go further?

[Amy Robach]

I don't know. Because again, we're in a midterm election year, and I feel like in these years, anything is possible. Because if they can find a way to rally their base, create a further division in the US versus them to drive people to the polls, I'm going to be your moral compass. This is where he is standing right now. I am your man for family values. I am your moral compass. I will make sure that smut like this is either punished or that there's consequences for it. But ultimately, I'm hoping by imposing these consequences will prevent this from ever happening again so your children will be safe in their own homes.

[T.J. Holmes]

Wow. We have to be saved from halftime. I didn't realize. All right, fine, fine. Oh, poor little Sabine.

[Amy Robach]

And this is why people get frustrated by politicians, because also with this sort of thing and look there. Look to your. I know you've said this and you're very good about this. There are plenty of people who might agree with him to an extent, but would they agree that it rises to the level of this and somehow we need congressmen to protect us from ourselves as parents when that's our role to decide what our kids watch and what they don't watch, what's inappropriate for them and what isn't. Do we really need congressmen and women being that moral voice where we actually punish people who are creatively expressing themselves and can be interpreted from a lot of different places?

[T.J. Holmes]

Isn't it interesting, though, that what someone might interpret as like you're watching one person's culture that you might not be familiar with and it looks foreign to you and it looks vulgar to you, it looks nasty to you, but over here, it's joy, it's celebration, it's love.

[Amy Robach]

Such a good point.

[T.J. Holmes]

And just we're looking at it. This is why we need to know each other better.

[Amy Robach]

That's so well said.

[T.J. Holmes]

That is so the first.

[Amy Robach]

Well said, babe.

[T.J. Holmes]

But hey, he wasn't the only one. Like we said, there's another guy who wants to lock them up. His words lock them up. Stay with us. We will let you hear what Representative Randy Fine, Republican of Florida, says he wants to happen to the NFL, to NBC, and to Bad Bunny. Stay here.

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[Amy Robach]

We continue our conversation about this big halftime show investigation that is now being called for by not one, but two congressmen. Two Republicans, one from Tennessee, one from Florida. We told you what Representative Andy Ogle said. He had a. A very detailed post about why he is upset about the Halft show. Said it was pure smut. And he wrote a letter asking for this formal investigation to the committee. But we also heard from Representative Randy Fine from Florida. And his post, he goes there. You want me? Okay, cool. I'll read a new comment. I like that. So this is Fine's post. He put this on X. Okay. You can't say the F word on live tv.

[T.J. Holmes]

Did he?

[Amy Robach]

He didn't.

[T.J. Holmes]

Okay.

[Amy Robach]

Bad. I didn't hear it.

[T.J. Holmes]

Right?

[Amy Robach]

I did not hear it.

[T.J. Holmes]

Might have been a headline.

[Amy Robach]

Say it. I think it would have been a huge headline. And I think he would have maybe even put what he said in Spanish to justify or to say exhibit A. He did not. All we hear is something we already knew. You can't say the F word on live tv. Okay. Bad Bunny's disgusting halftime show was illegal.

[T.J. Holmes]

Even the Ricky Martin part. Like, he didn't even find beauty in the Ricky Martin sitting there in a plastic chair.

[Amy Robach]

That might have been the gay gyrating or something that they were talking about.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's a sweet moment.

[Amy Robach]

I loved it.

[T.J. Holmes]

Disgusting. Okay, please.

[Amy Robach]

All right. He goes on. Had he said these lyrics and all of the other disgusting pornographic filth in English on live tv, the broadcast would have been pulled down and the fines would have been enormous.

[T.J. Holmes]

And he's saying he attached the lyrics. There was a. To this post. He had a copy of lyrics of one of Bad Bunny's songs. He said had these lyrics.

[Amy Robach]

In English, basically.

[T.J. Holmes]

Had he said these lyrics. He put up the post of a song and lyrics that Bad Bunny didn't go through. He went through 14 songs in 13 minutes. He did a fraction of the lyrics of most of these songs.

[Amy Robach]

So it's unfair to take a Bad Bunny song as it was recorded, not performed on television, but as it's recorded, and say, here are the lyrics that he was singing in Spanish that you didn't even realize that are so vulgar. Vulgar. He didn't sing all of the lyrics to his songs.

[T.J. Holmes]

Qualify it. He did what he was meaning to do, which was get whoever's reading this worked Up. Because if you read the lyrics, you go, holy sh. Oh. Oh, They're. Don't get me wrong. I listen to all. But.

[Amy Robach]

But I'm just saying, he didn't perform those same lyrics.

[T.J. Holmes]

No.

[Amy Robach]

During the halftime show. That is a part of his music that you can choose to download and listen to or not. But when he performed on live television. Yes, yes. And you know NBC and you know the NFL, they absolutely would have made.

[T.J. Holmes]

Sure they know what they're doing.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. That he did not violate any FCC rules. That would have been a huge part of their prep leading up to the performance. We know how this works, and so does this Congressman, by the way. Okay. Puerto Ricans are Americans.

[T.J. Holmes]

Boom. Stop right there. Why didn't you just post that?

[Amy Robach]

Wouldn't that have been amazing? But no, he continued his sentence, and we all live by the same rules, implying somehow that Puerto Ricans just get to live by a different set of rules. Now we're all Americans. Now we all have to face the same consequences. Okay, he continues, we are sending Brendan Carr, fcc, a letter calling for dramatic action, including fines and broadcast license reviews against the NFL and NBC. And Bad Bunny favorite. End. He thinks he has this drop the mic moment. He adds at the very end. Lock them up. Come on.

[T.J. Holmes]

I mean, fine. You put it out there, sweat. That's where we are, folks. And this is just another discouraging. You know, I had a moment. I say, we're going to do this, and it's going to be fun. Now I feel like crap at the end of it because it felt terrible when he was announced and it split everybody. Like, this is a one big thing. We can't even come together, even be curious about another guy's music. Haven't you heard about Bad Bunny and haven't heard his music, like, wow, this guy's the biggest star in the world and I don't even know who he is. Let me check him out and you might see and go, man, I didn't like how they were dancing. Oh, I liked his outfit. Oh, that song at the end was cool. Oh, Lady Gaga. Who knows? You might have learned something and liked something or been turned off. Who gives a damn? But can't you give it a try as an American, let's sit down at the same table. Maybe you like that food. I like this food. We could sit down at the damn table. I hate this story. I hate now what they did. Damn it, Rose. You knew I was in a good mood about this story. Now I'm pissed.

[Amy Robach]

Well, because we, you know, on One hand, you want to be able to laugh at it because it's so ridiculous. And I think that's where you were approaching it, because this is outrageous. This is a political stunt. And yes, there may be real feelings behind it, but clearly this is motivated by division, motivated by reelection, motivated by total selfish interest. This is not for the good of the American people.

[T.J. Holmes]

We're supposed to assume that that's not the case. I'm saying we're too cynical about our politicians, that I am not supposed to think any of those things. I'm supposed to think that he feels this way. I'm supposed to think, you know what? I don't like what he's doing. But you know what? I know he believes in it because he's my Republican congressman from Tennessee. Like, I'm supposed to feel that. But we're so cynical to where I have to assume, like, come on, dude, I've seen this game before. I know what you're doing. I guess we should just dismiss it. But this is pissing and getting some people worked up, folks.

[Amy Robach]

No, and I think that it's important to talk about it and to describe it exactly as we see it. I mean, the point being is there are plenty of people who do hear that and didn't watch the show, don't know the music and believe everything they're writing because it's out of context, and it certainly is. There is gaslighting going on right here completely. And I think the sad thing is it's been done. It happened. You lost. He got to do the halftime show. You didn't want him to. He did anyway. Move on. But, no, you have to double down, say, I was right. He shouldn't have been performing. He should have sung in English. He should have. And it's just this need to be right. This need to be. To punish people who don't think like you think, who don't look like you look, who don't believe what you believe. And that is what's so sad, because we could watch the show, as millions of Americans did, and say, wow, that is so cool to witness this culture, to hear this music. I was one of those folks who had heard of Bad Bunny but didn't listen to his music, didn't know it at all. And I had a blast. I still don't know what he was singing or saying, but I loved watching him perform. I loved the joy and love that was coming from him.

[T.J. Holmes]

And that's okay. If some people didn't, that's okay.

[Amy Robach]

That's true. Absolutely.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's really okay. And that's kind of all okay. It's not my thing. I'm moving on. There's been of a bunch. Bunch of halftime shows. It's not my thing. There's some I haven't watched. That's true, Rose, because it's not my cup of tea. I watched for a little. Didn't do anything for me. That's okay.

[Amy Robach]

I didn't call for a congressional inquiry.

[T.J. Holmes]

It's. It's okay. And I just want to always leave room. Don't know what's in somebody else's heart, including these congressmen. You don't know. So you want to leave room. But Rope's suggesting to put people in prison over a halftime show. See, seems to be a little much. We do need to mention here. Robe's bad bunny has wiped his Instagram clean, and folks are trying to figure out why.

[Amy Robach]

Some people think it may be because he has new music coming. Some people think it might be because of the controversy and the criticism he's receiving from a significant amount of the country. I would imagine probably didn't want to create a platform or a billboard for people to leave their nasty comments. It could be one or both or neither.

[T.J. Holmes]

Well, this is a guy who has 52 million followers on Instagram and right now, it has no profile picture. It has not a single post. It has been wiped clean.

[Amy Robach]

I think he knows how to market himself right now. So he knows that this is either a sign of a new era, a cleansing, a new start, new music. It's exciting. People want to know. And when he puts something back up, Lord knows there will be headlines.

[T.J. Holmes]

And as of now, we don't have the official numbers of the. The ratings for that. We don't have that yet. But I'm curious that the lyrics thing and the last funny thing, I'll mention this to you, Robes. Nicki Minaj. She's a conservative now. Member of the maga movement. Can't wait till he goes, starts reading some of her English lyrics.

[Amy Robach]

Touche, touche.

[T.J. Holmes]

Can I wait and see if he still puts his arm around her for a picture?

[Amy Robach]

The problem is, when you take a moral stand like this, you can't pick and choose. Morals are morals. You've just laid a boundary down now. We better not hear him listening to Eminem. Better not hear him listening or watching or going to a concert where anybody is dancing suggestively. I mean, really, you say these types of things, you put them in writing, you put them on Twitter, you send letters of inquiry saying, this is what I believe and this is wrong. Okay.

[T.J. Holmes]

All right. Thank you. I can't wait. If Nicki Minaj, if he takes his picture with her proudly being endorsed by Nicki Minaj. I am going to post every lyric and I love her stuff, but she is as.

[Amy Robach]

As provocative as they come.

[T.J. Holmes]

All right, folks, just want to hop on and share. Wherever you are, please hope you're having a better conversation about Bad Bunny. Even if you didn't like the show, hope you're having a better or a curious conversation and not just one that's full of outrage, which seems to be our only emotion these days. With that, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time with us. T.J. holmes. On behalf of my dear Emmy Robach, talk soon. I'm Bowen Yang.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Podcast Narrator]

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