Major FBI Gambling Bust Takes Down NBA Stars and the Mafia

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Podcast Summary

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: Major FBI Gambling Bust Takes Down NBA Stars and the Mafia
Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes

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Overview

In this urgent, fast-paced episode, Amy and TJ dig into breaking news of FBI indictments in a sprawling, years-long illegal gambling and money laundering scheme involving current and former NBA players (including a current head coach) and major Mafia crime families. The episode focuses on the shockwaves rippling through the NBA, the remarkably sophisticated criminal techniques, and the existential threat such allegations pose to the league’s integrity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate Reactions & Scope of the Indictments

• The hosts recount receiving a breaking news alert and then witnessing a press conference that surpassed all expectations with its Hollywood-level drama and scale.
• Law enforcement announced over 30 arrests across at least nine states, involving a diverse coalition of agencies, and revealed “two major operations, two different indictments.”
  [03:40-06:00]

Amy Robach [04:04]:
“It was as if I was watching a Hollywood movie… The people who were involved and the amount of law enforcement, intra agencies all standing collectively together to announce this truly shocking, historic…I don’t want to say arrest—arrests—what, 30 plus, 34 was the last count I heard, but they said ‘and counting’ potentially.”

2. Operation Breakdown: “Nothing But Bet” and “Royal Flush”

• Operation Nothing But Bet:
  • Focused on illegal betting on NBA games using insider information and manipulating prop bets.
  • Central figure: current Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier accused of faking injury for gambling payouts.
    [06:00-07:37]
• Operation Royal Flush:
  • Concerned rigged, high-stakes underground poker games, operated by the Mafia, involving rigged technologies and orchestrated cheating.
  • Notable arrestees: NBA Hall of Famer and Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, former player/coach Damon Jones.
  • Four of the five New York Mafia families implicated (Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno).
    [07:37-08:58]

Amy Robach [06:10] (on the FBI op name):
“For FBI agents, I guess that’s a good one.”

3. Prop Bets: The Cheater’s Paradise

• The hosts break down “prop bets” and how they’re vulnerable when players or teams tip off gamblers about inside info. [06:31-07:14]

TJ Holmes [06:51]:
“People love betting prop bets…It’s a fun, kind of an easy way to do your gambling without necessarily being hardcore. And this is prime for cheating because if you can get somebody, a player to, you know, fake an injury, do a little something…”

4. Terry Rozier: The Case and Confusion

• Arrested in Orlando after playing but not participating in a game (“coach’s decision” to sit him).
• Authorities say on March 23, 2023, Rozier “let others close to him know that he planned to leave the game early with a supposed injury," allowing insiders to bet on his “under” stats and profit over $200,000 in a single night.
  [11:01-18:44]

Amy Robach [17:54] (reading from NYPD Commissioner):
“Terry Rozier…allegedly let others close to him know he planned to leave the game early…Using that information, members of the group placed more than $200,000 in wagers on his under statistics. Rozier exited the game after just nine minutes and those bets paid out…The proceeds were later delivered to his home where the group counted their cash.”

5. The Mafia & Rigged Poker Games: Technology and Celebrity Distractors

• Poker games rigged via high-tech devices: shuffling machines that read cards, cameras hidden in chandeliers, “face cards” (celebrities like Billups) used to distract targeted “fish” (wealthy victims).
• Described as “something out of Ocean’s Eleven.”
• The “quarterback” remotely received the table’s data, relaying instructions to co-conspirators. [13:42-15:37]

Amy Robach [14:25]:
“They had customer shuffling machines that could read the order of the cards. They had hidden cameras built into tables and chandeliers…special contact lenses…X-ray table that could read the cards when they were face down. Again, what?”

6. Disbelief at NBA Figures’ Involvement and Motive

• The hosts express deep skepticism and sadness that major-earning NBA stars would risk careers for relatively modest gambling payouts.
  [12:14-13:00; 28:28-28:55]

Amy Robach [12:14]:
“He makes 20-plus million dollars a year…It makes no sense why he would put his reputation, his freedom and certainly his NBA career on the line for something as small as that.”

TJ Holmes [21:02]:
“He has made $160 million in total income playing in the NBA since 2015…You got some dudes counting cash, tens of thousands of dollars, in your living room. Really?”

7. Integrity Crisis for the NBA

• The core concern: If player performance can be manipulated for gambling, the entire legitimacy of the league is at risk.
• Comparison to past scandals (e.g., betting refs), but this is more damaging due to player and coach involvement. [18:44-20:15]

TJ Holmes [18:44]:
“If there is any suggestion that players on the field are altering their performance for the sake of gambling, you are going to have the biggest scandal ever.”

8. Defense and Legal Pushback

• Rozier’s lawyer claims the government acted for showmanship, relied on unreliable sources, and that Rozier had previously been “cleared by the NBA.” [25:35-27:39]

Amy Robach [26:12] (reading legal statement):
“It is unfortunate that instead of allowing him to self-surrender, they opted for a photo op. They wanted the misplaced glory of embarrassing a professional athlete with a perp walk. That tells you a lot about the motivations in this case. They appear to be taking the word of spectacularly incredible sources…rather than relying on actual evidence of wrongdoing.”

9. Wider Implications and Unanswered Questions

• What next for the upcoming NBA season? How will this affect public perception, broadcasts, and gambling partnerships?
• Speculation on the reactions of players, league figures, and the financial ties between sports and the gambling industry. [30:08-31:32]

TJ Holmes [31:32]:
“College games, they’re giving you betting lines. All you see is betting and gambling. So are we surprised this happens?...You just go get into the ear of one NBA player, one NFL player that can change a game. Man, this is scary as hell.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Amy Robach [04:04]: “It was as if I was watching a Hollywood movie…”
• TJ Holmes [06:31]: “[Prop bets are] prime for cheating because if you can get somebody, a player to, you know, fake an injury, do a little something.”
• Amy Robach [14:25]: “That 007 stuff freaked me out…X-ray table that could read the cards when they were face down. Again, what?”
• TJ Holmes [18:44]: “If there is any suggestion that players…are altering their performance for the sake of gambling, you are going to have the biggest scandal ever.”
• Amy Robach [26:12] (on defense): “…They wanted the misplaced glory of embarrassing a professional athlete with a perp walk.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Press conference recap, scope of arrests: [03:40-06:00]
• Intro to Operations “Nothing But Bet” and “Royal Flush”: [06:00-08:58]
• Prop bets, NBA vulnerabilities: [06:31-07:17]
• Details on Terry Rozier, NBA player: [11:01-13:00; 17:54-18:44]
• Inside the poker scheme, Mafia tech: [13:42-15:37]
• League integrity and scandal implications: [18:44-21:29]
• Rozier’s attorney statement: [25:35-27:39]
• NBA’s reckoning with gambling & public trust: [30:08-31:32]

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Tone and Style

The tone is a blend of stunned disbelief, knowledgeable commentary, and alarm, with Amy representing a relative outsider’s perspective and TJ drawing on his sports expertise. The conversation is frank, unsparing, and peppered with dark humor, underscoring the surreal stakes of the unfolding story.

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Conclusion

Amy and TJ leave listeners hanging on updates from imminent court hearings and NBA statements, emphasizing that the repercussions of this scandal will ripple through the season and potentially reshape attitudes toward sports gambling for years to come.

TJ Holmes [31:32]: “Commissioner Silver. Adam Silver. Boy, God bless you, but you’ve got a mess on your hands.”

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For those just tuning in, this episode delivers a gripping, detailed walkthrough of one of the biggest sports and organized crime stories in years—with the hosts’ personalities and expertise lending urgency and humanity to the breaking news.

Transcript

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[Amy Robot]

Well, full disclosure here. You read the initial headline about NBA players and gambling and I kind of glazed over and I just was, well I guess that's a story. Didn't seem like anything that I would be interested in until the press conference started and then it was as if I was watching a Hollywood movie, which I know everyone is saying, but truly there's no other way to describe the information that came out, the people who were involved and the amount of law enforcement, intra agencies all standing collectively together to announce this truly shocking, historic, I don't want to say arrest, arrests, what 30 plus 34 was the last count I heard, but they said and counting potentially yes folks.

[TJ Holmes]

So we are talking about them now breaking up a years long scheme in which gambling is involved and essentially bilking players out of what they say are millions and millions of dollars. So we, what are we talking about here? Yes, Cash Patel, you had the New York Police Department commissioner as a part of this, U.S. attorneys involved. There were so many agencies standing up there to make the announcement of two cases in which wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling among some of the charges. They say this happened in nine states in the early morning hours with coordination of all of these hundreds of agents and they went and arrested 30 plus defendants and among them an NBA hall of Famer and current NBA coach, Chauncey Billups, current coach of the Portland Trailblazers, former players involved and one current member of the Miami Heat and ropes these look, this is all kind of loosely connected, but also. Not really. But they announced essentially two major cases today. Two major operations, two different indictments.

[Amy Robot]

And yet they were. It was interesting how connected they were. But, yes, two separate cases. One was called Operation Nothing But Bet.

[TJ Holmes]

How you like that?

[Amy Robot]

Playing off of Nothing But Net.

[TJ Holmes]

You like it?

[Amy Robot]

Fine. It's for. For FBI agents, I guess that's a good one. But that was the operation on illegal betting on NBA games, using insider information, notably. I'm still learning some of the lingo here, but this is actually called betting.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, you are familiar with it from Super Bowl. Probably the only time you start thinking about prop bets. What we're talking about is not just betting on who wins or who loses the game, but all the side bets, Right. How long is the national anthem? That's a prop bet at the Super Bowl. How many yards will this player, the quarterback put up or how many points.

[Amy Robot]

Will a player score?

[TJ Holmes]

So people love betting prop bets because you essentially say, all right, the prop is 20. He's going to score 20. I'll take the under or I'll take the over. So, yeah, it's a fun, kind of an easy way to do your gambling without necessarily being hardcore. And this is prime for cheating because if you can get somebody, a player to, you know, fake an injury, do a little something.

[Amy Robot]

Funny you should mention that because that is the allegation and the charge against current Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier. He was arrested this morning in Orlando, I believe, where he had been playing, correct?

[TJ Holmes]

Well, he had a game last night. He dressed but did not play. Coach's decision, they say. So who knows if they saw something like this coming. Do you like the other name of the other operation better?

[Amy Robot]

Yeah, the other operation is called Operation Royal Flush. And this was about an underground rigged. I mean, when you hear about how they rigged this game or how authorities say they rigged this game, it is jaw dropping. But apparently there were members of the mob rigging illegal poker games. And so they were operated by La Cosa Nostra, our thing, Sicilian Mafia here in America. Four of the five families are implicated in this, but notably so is hall of Famer, as you mentioned, and current coach called Mr. Big Shot.

[TJ Holmes]

Chauncey Phillips has a long and storied history, but he is a Hall of Famer, just went to the hall of Fame last year. Actually, the folks arrested here, you mentioned the crime families, I think it came maybe a surprise to some people that these folks are still up and running, right. And still operating.

[Amy Robot]

I thought these were families of Legend past and not currently operating and flourishing, so to speak. It seems like something that you again just watch in a movie or read in a crime novel, but not something that's currently going on. But yeah, when they start naming family names like Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno, all of those names, those family names, those Italian names connected to the mafia are all should be pretty familiar to most people.

[TJ Holmes]

Gambina was probably the most famous out there given. I mean John Gotti was the head of that family for a while. But just a. I mean this is a classic, historic, I mean storied family. And to think that they are still in ball. So yes folks, we're talking about those mob families are alleged to have been in bed with some current former NBA players and a current NBA choke coach to bilk folks out of possibly millions of dollars. So all of this happened in the early morning hours, these arrests. They were able to keep this quiet, which is fair, fairly impressive given that they have hundreds of agents and agencies. Several agencies involved. So Chauncey Billups, you didn't know the name initially, I don't think. I don't know if you would know the face when you first saw it. But we can't really overstate how big of a deal and big of a career he has had in the NBA.

[Amy Robot]

You'd be able to obviously give that perspective that I could not. But I know that he's the current coach of the Portland Trailblazers. But when I started reading about who this guy was, I mean, yes, he was called Mr. Big Shot for a reason.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes. 17 years. You hear anybody played 17 years in the NBA, they obviously were pretty good. But he won a championship with the Pistons in 2004. He stopped that team. Stopped what they thought was going to be a three peat by Kobe and Shaq.

[Amy Robot]

Oh wow.

[TJ Holmes]

With the Lakers. Yes. So they win this. He was the MVP of the finals. That lets you know on the biggest stage he shows up. He was an NBA all star. Five time NBA all star. Look, his jersey is retired in Detroit and he is a Hall of Famer. Just went into the hall of Fame last year and he, yes, is the current coach of the Portland Trailblazers who started their seat. The NBA season just kicked off, had two glorious nights of games.

[Amy Robot]

I saw a picture from him last night. Correct. They lost to the Minnesota. I'm so bad. Vikings. I'm terrible with. No, that's wrong.

[TJ Holmes]

Timber Timberwolves.

[Amy Robot]

I knew this sport.

[TJ Holmes]

It's fine.

[Amy Robot]

But college football is not my jam. I Knew I was going to get it wrong.

[TJ Holmes]

But the Vikings are a real team. So that's fine. It's wrong sport but the same city. It's fine.

[Amy Robot]

But yes, when you start to see he was on the court last night seemingly unsuspecting of what was going that the loss was the least thing he should be worried about. This morning when he woke up, yes, to find himself under arrest. He along with Terry Bogier and Damon Jones, we have to talk about him to all have hearings this afternoon.

[TJ Holmes]

So yes, we are going to hear something. Probably not necessarily much but going to be making an appearance Now Terry Rozier, if you don't know who this kid is either as a kid, but he's been in the league 10 plus years now. He was drafted 16 overall by Boston. That's lets you know how good of a player he was. 16 overall is a big deal. He played at Louisville in his college days. He ended up going from Boston. Was he. He was a role player to Charlotte where he flourished. Started averaging about 20 points a game and then he went to Miami and he's been there since 2023. This is a guy who is on the last of a four year $96 million contract. So a lot of people will scratch their heads. Why the hell is he involved in trying to make a few bucks in illegal gambling?

[Amy Robot]

It's insane. I mean he makes 20 plus million dollars a year. Someone was pointing out. Because according to the FBI there was a particular date I believe in March of 2023 where he is accused of feigning an injury to get out of a game early to then skew the bets on him. Those prop bets. We were just talking about how many points he would score in the game. But they said the Money that around $200,000 on that which is about. And he had to split it with the folks who made the money. But apparently this is small change. This is like pennies to you and me. So it makes no sense why he would put his reputation, his freedom and certainly his NBA career on the line for something as small as that.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, it doesn't sound very bright but these are just allegations at this point. We have heard from his attorney. We'll read that here at the end. The other name of again might not be one you know but you might recognize the face because he was on TV a whole lot. Because he was next to LeBron James a whole lot. Talking about Damon Jones. He did have a 10 plus year career in the league but he played notably with LeBron in some of Lebron's early days there in Cleveland, and he was an assistant coach in 2016 when Cleveland won that championship over the warriors, was in that arena and covered that team an awful lot.

[Amy Robot]

And he's being accused of being a part of this Mafia scandal. Chauncey Billups, the Royal Flush investigation.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, so let's explain what, what this alleged involvement by Billups and Jones is. And this is where things robes get absolutely wacky. First of all, yes, these were rigged poker games. Allegedly they were playing a part of. Now, these big name guys, somebody like Chauncey Billups, according to authorities, were referred to as face cards. They were the celebrities who were sitting at the table, and they were kind of there to distract the fish. The fish is the target that they are trying to essentially rob. So everybody at the table is in on it. The dealer's in on it. Everybody except the fish. But that wasn't just all. They used some technology that I don't even think they did in Ocean's Eleven. Some of this stuff, right?

[Amy Robot]

I mean, it sounded like something out of an Ocean's Eleven movie where apparently they had customers shuffling machines that could read the order of the cards. They had hidden cameras built into tables and chandeliers that they could see information that you're not supposed to see and then pass them along to the players. Poker chip trays that could secretly read cards, special contact lenses that could read cards that I. That 007 stuff that freaked me out. X ray table that could read the cards when they were face down. Again, what.

[TJ Holmes]

This is a real operation. They really invested in this thing also. They had shuffling machines. They said these were just regular commercial. You can get them on the market, off the shelf is how we refer to it. Shuffling machines that could read the cards, but they would then predict who at the table would have the best hand. They could predict this. So this is what happens with all that information. It's relayed back to what they call the quarterback who was not on site. Then the quarterback would take that info and relay it back to the people at the table who worked in coordination to cheat the fish.

[Amy Robot]

And the fish were basically high rollers, the people who had the money, who wanted to play in what they thought was a fair, illegal game because the game itself was conducted illegally. But they thought that these were fair games.

[TJ Holmes]

Hey, if you can't trust a criminal, what are you going to do?

[Amy Robot]

Did they know that the mafia was involved in setting up any of these games? I'm curious. I'm even thinking from like the NBA coach And former coach, former player's point of view. How scary or is it exciting to know that you're now in bed with, so to speak the. With the Mafia? Like that is just some crazy scary stuff that a successful person you wouldn't think would want to be involved with.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. And they have not watched all of those mob documentaries.

[Amy Robot]

It doesn't end well.

[TJ Holmes]

You never want to be in business with a mob. You just don't.

[Amy Robot]

Especially if you don't have to be like, I understand that financially somehow you're, I don't know, backed into a corner. This was not them.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. This was not that case at all. Now you were mentioning this incident as well having to do with Tara Rogier. Again, Terry Rozier is part of it was announced today, but a different indictment from Chauncey Billups. He's alleged to have been a part of this scheme operation. Nothing but bet that involved player performances. Now, he would use, according to authorities, inside information he might have and pass that along and then folks would alter their prop bets. Now, robes this through me they announced that involved players from teams from Charlotte, Portland, the Lakers and Toronto. Now, it didn't say that necessarily all these players were in on it, but more so that some other folks might have had inside information that they passed along involving those players. So I want to be clear, they named those teams but didn't say there are players on all those teams who were involved.

[Amy Robot]

Could have just been someone adjacent to the team or someone who was. Who had. That was privy to that type of information that could be passed along then to folks placing Betsy.

[TJ Holmes]

But please tell this is the story you got to hear and I just wanted to do it in their robes, line by line for how the New York Police Department commissioner explained Terry Rozier's involvement.

[Amy Robot]

All right, so this is from the NYPD Commissioner. One example occurred on March 23, 2023 in Charlotte. Terry Rozier, an NBA player now with the Miami Heat, but at the time playing for the Charlotte Hornets, allegedly let others close to him know that he planned to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using that information, members of the group placed more than $200,000 in wagers on his under statistics. Rozier exited the game after just nine minutes and those bets paid out, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profits. The proceeds were later delivered to his home where the group counted their cash. And as the NBA season tips off, his career is already benched. Not for injury, but for integrity.

[TJ Holmes]

That's going to be the biggest problem for the NBA if you integrity of the game is everything. If there is any suggestion that players on the field are altering their performance for the sake of gambling, you are going to have the biggest scandal ever.

[Amy Robot]

See, it's so funny because I know that this. You love the NBA. You love the game. And that was my number one question to you. What do you think this does to the integrity of the game? This is. They just opened their season. There's so much excitement and fanfare and victoriously.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean it was a great launch to the season. My boy, you know Chuck, he's over on ESPN night. I was a big opening. The first game was double overtime thriller. This was a great start to the season. And now this is the season. This will dog them the entire season. Because now you got to look out there every time somebody doesn't play, every time somebody is off a little bit, everybody's going to be under investigation by the public. I mean.

[Amy Robot]

Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

This is the scary. You have a player who cheated and possibly change the outcome of an NBA game. That is the biggest disaster. They've had cheating scandals involving referee back in the day, Donovan I think was his name. And then like last year, another player got in trouble for this, but he wasn't a big time player when the big name player kind of went away. And this is everything.

[Amy Robot]

This is everything. And what. Look, and I am not belittling in any way the amount of money that was lost here, but when you think about the individuals who are purported to have participated, you're talking about individuals who make, and we've talked about this, just tens of millions of dollars per year. $7 million in total losses to them. And in the scheme of things, with the perspective of all the money being earned, that doesn't even seem like much and certainly doesn't seem worth what now not only will these individual folks be facing, but as you point out, the entire league itself is now dealing with something all to do with $7 million.

[TJ Holmes]

So cash. But that was. They put that number in the indictment. But Cash Patel is that it's tens of millions of dollars involved here. But even if you hear that tens of millions of dollars to a lot of NBA players. Look, he's been in the league since 2015. So in the past 10 years he has made 160 million million in total income playing in the NBA since 2015. 160 million. And you got some dudes counting cash. Tens of thousands of dollars in your living room.

[Amy Robot]

Really?

[TJ Holmes]

So that doesn't sound right. And his attorney says there's a reason it doesn't sound right. Stay here. We are going to give you the pretty fiery statement from the attorney for Terry Rozier.

[Amy Robot]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robot]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robot]

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[TJ Holmes]

We continue here now folks on this Thursday on after what was really an interesting and really unexpected details we got from a press conference in which authorities announced two historic, as they call it, indictments involving illegal gambling, wire fraud having to do with former and current NBA players and one NBA current head coach of the Portland Trailblazers, Chauncey Billups. Now, Terry Rozier, one of the players place for the Miami Heat who's implicated in one of these cases, his attorney came out and I, I think this is, this is how you defend your client in a statement. I, he hit on some points there. I'm like really? What?

[Amy Robot]

I so I already, I'm questioning. I had the same reaction because you hear Cash Patel and certainly the heads of several other federal and state agencies speak and you think my God, this is insane and it isn't. It is insane. But then when you hear Rozier's lawyer statement already, yes, it does start to poke some holes, at least in the case against him initially. So here is what he had to say. We have represented Terry Rozier for over a year. A long time ago we reached out to these prosecutors to tell them we should have an open line of communication. They characterized Terry as a subject, not a target. But at 6am this morning they called to tell me FBI agents were trying to arrest him in a hotel. It is unfortunate that instead of allowing him to self surrender, they opted for a photo op. They wanted the misplaced glory of embarrassing a professional athlete with a perp walk. That tells you a lot about the motivations in this case. They appear to be taking the word of spectacularly incredible sources. And like incredible, like not credible sources, rather than relying on actual evidence of wrongdoing Terry was cleared by the NBA and these prosecutors revived that non case. Terry is not a gambler, but he is not afraid of a fight and he looks forward to winning this fight.

[TJ Holmes]

That's well done. That's how you defend your client right there in public. Like almost every line I was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Oh really? What?

[Amy Robot]

Well, with the money he's made, I hope he can afford a really good lawyer. It sounds like he has and and will be able to do so.

[TJ Holmes]

Nothing else. He's a good writer, whoever that is. But that is. It kind of makes sense if you want to argue maybe he didn't know. Is he a subject of this? Was he someone, a victim to a certain degree, somebody taken advantage of. And they also say these mobsters, my favorite, they used intimidation and violence and threats to get some people to pay up. How else were these threats in vinyl? Who knows. But that statement certainly made me stop and think and question and go oh, makes it. I cannot make any sense of somebody with $160 million that they've made wants to pick up 50 grand.

[Amy Robot]

The only because yes, of course you're immediately going to motivation. Like I understand if somebody is cash strapped, it's still not okay. But you can at least understand the motive where they're desperate to whatever pay a bill or feed their family. Or maybe it's greed to a certain extent. But when you already have that much money, how much more greed do you need? So the only thing you can think of is the thrill of it, the excitement of it. But that also just seems idiotic.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, those ways to get you kicks. But again, everybody here is presumed innocent until otherwise noted. But this was a hell of a story. Hell of a details to hear. I was looking robes, I did not see that the Portland Trailblazers at least of this recording had put out a statement. I also don't see their schedule in front of me. Don't know where they're supposed to be headed next. But I mean the NBA season is underway. There are going to be games on tonight and whatever commentator is on this will be the first thing talked about today most certainly.

[Amy Robot]

And we will of course keep our eye on those hearings that are scheduled to happen later today at some point because if any new information comes out from from that, we will obviously pass that along to you. But it's hard to imagine that much is going to be said other than a reading of the charges specifically and perhaps any sort of bail that would be negotiated. I'm not sure. I have no idea. This Is such a. This is such an unusual situation. It's hard to even imagine what could possibly happen next and what the opportunities will be for any of these defendants to post bail. It's hard to say.

[TJ Holmes]

But they do play tomorrow night. They are scheduled the Portland Trailblazers to take on the Golden State warriors tomorrow night in Portland. We shall see if that game takes place.

[Amy Robot]

Do you think this brings more eyes to NBA games, at least for the next couple of nights? Do you think that there is now with this spectacle that's taken place and obviously it's all for all the wrong reasons, but I imagine more people will be watching, listening, wanting to hear what commentators have to say, wanting to see at least how players react, how coaches react. I mean, this is rocking the NBA community.

[TJ Holmes]

I am curious to hear from all of those guys. I want to hear from Shaq, right. Who knows Chauncey really, really well played against him in that finals. Right. I want to hear from those guys, to hear what they say. And think about it. I think even the retired guys are about to just. I mean, they're former players, but they are, they are, are forever a part of the league to watch this happen right now, maybe it's a couple of knuckleheads, but it's going to hurt the league for a while. And what have they been doing for the past several years? They've been partnering with all these gambling sites. They're trying to bring gambling into the league. Every time you turn on the TV and you see a game on, it shows you what at the bottom, the over, under, right.

[Amy Robot]

And I'm always asking you what it means because I have no idea. I'm like, what is that down below?

[TJ Holmes]

College games, they're giving you betting lines. All you see is betting and gambling. So we surprise. This happens if you get the right. Like if you are in business to make money gambling, just go get into the ear of one NBA player, one NFL player that can change a game. Man, this is scary as hell. Oh, man. Commissioner Silver. Adam Silver. Boy, God bless you, but you got a mess on your hands now, folks. We just wanted to hop on. This just happened and we knew this was going to be a big story. We'll keep an eye. We'll see if something happens in court.

[Amy Robot]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

That we need to hop back on for. But otherwise, at this point, that's all we got. TJ Holmes along with Amy Robot. We'll talk to you all soon.

[Amy Robot]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robot]

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[Amy Robot]

Today a GLP1 helped you lose weight, but now you're noticing unwanted facial changes.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, the weight came off, but facial volume loss and dull sagging skin are making you look older. That's where the next phase of your weight loss journey comes in.

[Amy Robot]

There's before weight loss, after weight loss, and then the after after.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, help restore and refresh your facial skin and reclaim your natural looking youthful glow.

[Amy Robot]

To learn more, visit faceafterweightloss.com that's faceafterweightloss.com.

[TJ Holmes]

Thursday Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. That's gonna be porn. Tonight, the Minnesota Vikings head west to face the Los Angeles Chargers. They'll take that all day. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with Football's Best Party TNF tonight presented by Verizon. Not a Prime member? Not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial. It's the Vikings and the chargers tonight at 7pm Eastern only on Prime Video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com amazonprime for T Jims Wednesdays on BET. An all new episode of 106 in Sports from executive producers LeBron James and Maverick Carter. Ashley Cole Moss and Cam Newton break down top moments in sports, culture and Entertainment. Check out 106 in sports on BET and next day on BET.

[Amy Robot]

Plus this is an I Heart podcast.