Making Sense of the Jeremy Renner Accusations

Summary

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: Making Sense of the Jeremy Renner Accusations

Date: November 9, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

Episode Overview

In this episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes dive into the complex and highly controversial accusations made against Hollywood actor Jeremy Renner by filmmaker Yee Zhou. The hosts attempt to sift through the jumble of public statements, social media posts, and legal pushback to understand both the substance and the optics of Zhou’s claims, Renner’s responses, and what they mean for both figures. The hosts openly wrestle with the difficulty of covering such allegations, especially in the era of social media, “cancel culture,” and competing narratives.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Accusations and Initial Facts

[03:18 - 04:42]

• Jeremy Renner, a Hollywood A-lister, is accused by Yee Zhou (38-year-old filmmaker, not widely known publicly) of a range of serious behaviors.

• Zhou claims their first sexual encounter was “non-consensual,” later turning into a consensual relationship. The hosts puzzle over the ambiguity of this statement.

  “Is she claiming that he raped her? Is she claiming that he sexually assaulted her? ... There’s a big gray area.”
  — Amy Robach [04:06]

• Zhou also alleges:

  • Renner threatened to call ICE on her, causing her to fear for her safety ([05:28]).
  • He sent unsolicited, sexually explicit images and texts ([06:04]).
  • He displayed threatening and harassing behavior, leading Zhou to lock herself in a room ([05:28]).

• Zhou has posted prolifically about the accusations on Instagram, repeatedly using “#CancelJeremyRenner” and referencing a suicide allegedly connected to Renner ([07:14]).

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2. Social Media & the #Cancel Movement

[06:16 - 07:14 | 12:27 - 16:53]

• Zhou’s Instagram feed is a central part of her campaign. She posts screenshots of WhatsApp/text exchanges, photos with Renner, and hashtags for both “canceling” him and promoting her film projects.

  “She has a specific goal in mind for sure.”
  — Amy Robach [06:34]

• The hosts note the difficulty in validating her evidence, as posts might isolate or crop messages to fit a narrative ([11:34 - 12:27]).

• The intersection of survivor claims and promotional efforts leads to confusion and skepticism.

  “She wants everyone to cancel Jeremy Renner. She wants everyone to acknowledge her as a survivor. And she’s also then at the same time … promoting her projects. That’s tough.”
  — Amy Robach [14:20]

• The hosts stress that while self-promotion isn’t inherently wrong for an alleged victim, it does open the door for questions about motivation ([14:45]).

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3. Renner’s Response & Legal Pushback

[13:03 - 13:26]

• Renner and his attorney have issued strong denials:
  • Labeling Zhou’s statements as “false, outrageous and highly defamatory.”
  • Asserting Zhou aggressively harassed and pursued Renner, with “no reciprocation” other than a single, brief encounter on July 12, 2025.
• Renner’s legal team claims to have evidence of hundreds of explicit messages from Zhou to Renner, and accuse her of manufacturing the allegations for professional publicity ([13:40]).
• Cease and desist letters have been exchanged.

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4. Navigating the “Gray Areas” & Believability

[17:15 - 21:51]

• The hosts debate the complexities of power dynamics, professional ambition, and personal consent:

  • Zhou alleges she received “unwanted, unsolicited pornographic images”; however, she continued to correspond with Renner, invite him onto her projects, and later entered into a relationship.
  • Holmes points out the draw of proximity to power in Hollywood, but Robach counters with agency and choice, given Zhou’s age and career standing.
  • They acknowledge that questionable decisions or professional motivations don’t negate the possibility of assault.

  “That still doesn’t mean the non-consensual encounter did not happen.”
  — T.J. Holmes [20:56]

• The conversation highlights how, even where both parties’ accounts are divergent and confusing, the need remains for careful consideration and due process.

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5. The ICE Threat: Social Media as Evidence?

[28:00 - 29:14]

• Zhou claims Renner threatened to contact immigration authorities. The WhatsApp screenshot she posted is cut off and unverified, reading only “Immigration will be notified of your...”

  “Why wouldn’t she show the second line? … We don’t obviously have verification that this text exchange is real.”
  — Amy Robach [29:14]

• Holmes and Robach express concern over incomplete evidence being amplified in headlines, noting the damage of “the genie out of the bottle” effect ([29:26]).

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6. Media Responsibility, Motives & “Believing Women”

[29:59 - 34:14]

• The hosts recognize the challenge in responsibly covering such stories, especially with social media intensifying narratives and backlash.

• Conflicting posts from Zhou—oscillating between describing Renner as an aggressor and as someone she “loved”—are scrutinized for inconsistency.

  “All of what she’s saying … they don’t jive. They don’t work together. They’re confusing.”
  — Amy Robach [34:08]

• Both express the moral tension: wanting to believe women, not wanting to preemptively destroy a reputation, and fearing the impact on real victims’ willingness to come forward.

  “If we assume he’s not guilty, that means we are assuming she’s not telling the truth. … I don’t know what way to go and how to do it.”
  — T.J. Holmes [30:47]

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7. The Role of Evidence and Next Steps

[37:21 - 38:46]

• The hosts predict more evidence (including messages/emails) will come forth as both sides attempt to corroborate their claims.
• Zhou’s Instagram audience (1.8 million followers) is noted, raising questions about how fame and influence shape narratives in #MeToo-era conflicts.
• Listeners are encouraged to look through Zhou’s posts themselves for transparency ([38:24]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On ambiguity of claims:

  “Is she claiming that he raped her? Is she claiming that he sexually assaulted her? … It’s hard to know where it all, where it falls. There’s a big gray area.”
  — Amy Robach [04:06]

• On social media accusations:

  “She is continuing … almost volumes of text of Instagram posts … She wants his career over.”
  — T.J. Holmes [06:16]

• On the contradiction of self-promotion and allegations:

  “That’s tough … She wants everyone to cancel Jeremy Renner … and she’s also then at the same time … promoting her projects.”
  — Amy Robach [14:20]

• On challenges of coverage:

  “Once somebody has attached to Jeremy Renner: he’s a potential rapist … Those are the headlines … How do you put that back in?”
  — T.J. Holmes [29:26]

• On believing women vs. fairness:

  “For too long we haven’t [believed women] … But it’s only fair to not tell someone or assume that someone’s guilty before they’ve had a chance to prove otherwise.”
  — Amy Robach [37:21]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:18] — Episode opens on the topic: What is actually being alleged?
• [04:00 – 05:11] — Discussion of Zhou’s identity, her relationship with Renner, and the nature of their collaboration.
• [06:04 – 07:14] — The social media campaign: breadth, language, and motives.
• [08:15 – 09:24] — What does “not consensual” actually mean? The question of “love” vs. “fling.”
• [13:03 – 14:20] — Renner’s legal denial and counter-accusations.
• [16:13 – 16:53] — The optics of combining advocacy with project promotion.
• [19:32 – 21:51] — The power dynamics, professional choices, and impact on perception.
• [28:00 – 29:14] — Breakdown of the ICE threat and social media “receipts.”
• [31:20 – 34:14] — Highlighting mixed messaging from Zhou’s posts, confusion over narrative.
• [37:21 – 38:46] — The need for evidence, fairness, and the unresolved nature of the case.

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Conclusion

This episode candidly explores the Jeremy Renner/Yee Zhou controversy, balancing empathy for alleged survivors with skepticism of evidence and motives. The hosts remain undecided but committed to following the story as more information emerges. They encourage listeners to seek out primary sources (Zhou’s Instagram) and promise ongoing coverage and updates as the situation develops. The tone is thoughtful, cautious, and deeply aware of the cultural stakes at play in high-profile sexual misconduct allegations.

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For further details, see Zhou's Instagram account or follow future episodes for updates as new information comes to light.

Transcript

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[TJ Holmes]

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks, it is Sunday, November 9, and be straight with you. Robach and I have had a very difficult time in conversations today about this story and what to make of it. Hollywood superstar Jeremy Renner has been accused of some atrocious behavior and we're not exactly sure what it is. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. You didn't know how I was going to start this, but is that we see headlines, but then we read details and we're trying to make sense of the story, but some very serious allegations, including of a non consensual sexual encounter.

[Amy Robach]

And that's been a lot of our debate here. So we've got a. Now I guess her birthday is today.

[TJ Holmes]

You said 30 yesterday.

[Amy Robach]

Yesterday. So 38 year old Asian filmmaker who is claiming, and the way she puts it is that they had a non consensual sexual encounter that turned consensual. And that's a confusing statement in and of itself. Is she claiming that he raped her? Is she claiming that he sexually assaulted her? Is she stating something? Now with the context of him not wanting a further relationship with her, the regret she had, it's hard to know where it all, where it falls. There's a big gray area.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. So we want to deal with. Let's get away from interpretation or trying to understand what somebody might be trying to say. We'll just tell you exactly what she is saying. And the film director we're talking about here is Yee Zhou. She's not someone necessarily that's a household name that you will know. She has very limited credits, if you will, as a director, but she's putting together a couple of films now, including one that Jeremy Renner voiced a character in that's an animated film. And then another a documentary she's doing about Disney that he did an interview for.

[Amy Robach]

He. So yes, yes, he was actually just, he did a kind of a quick interview, I believe where he was describing the accident, the life threatening accident he had in 2023 where he broke 38 bones in a snow accident. So yes, he lended his interview to that and his voice to another project.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. So that's the extent of their relationship. And now because of that introduction, if you will, she is alleging Robes And I want to make sure I get the facts right. She's alleging that he wanted to call or threatened to call Ice on her, threatened that their first encounter, sexual encounter was non consensual, that he had threatening behavior to the point that she locked herself in a room and was afraid to come out. This was at his home. Do I have that right? After he had had a bottle of wine and was drunk that night. Am I missing something?

[Amy Robach]

And she also claims that he sent her sexually explicit photos. So unwanted, unsolicited, sexually explicit photos over text.

[TJ Holmes]

So to set that stage, I want to start. We're going to read through. And she. We should say Robes, she has been for a week now sending almost or posting non stop about this, about him and making clear she wants his career over.

[Amy Robach]

Because at the end. And there are several, several Instagram posts that she's put out there, but she has a lot of hashtags and the first hashtag on all of them is cancel. Jeremy Renner. So she has a specific goal in mind for sure.

[TJ Holmes]

So this is. We're just setting the stage. I'm reading verbatim one of her posts, Robes. I would say maybe up to 20. And they have long, long messages attached to them. Some of them just say cancel as the, as the image or what are a couple of other ones? I think one says domestic violence. Several of them say cancel actually. But she.

[Amy Robach]

Life and death. Yes, she died. She actually points to a girl who died by suicide. She claims she died by suicide after attending a Jeffrey Renner, sorry, Jeremy Renner orgy. Like she's making all of these wild accusations.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, so. So let's just start. I'm just going to read. This is just setting the stage. Quote, at the early stage of our exchanges, I received unsolicited intimate photos and messages that were uninvited and inappropriate. The first physical encounter was not consensual. I asked for more time and gentleness, but my boundaries were not respected. Later interactions became consensual, yet the earlier incident remained deeply distressing. That's just what he said. She said. People can come to whatever conclusion and try to interpret that. But Robes, the first physical encounter was not consensual. Is that anything short of a sexual.

[Amy Robach]

Assault, that seems like a crime. The way she worded it, the way she phrased it, that would be something that if it were true, would be a criminal act, correct? Yes. And it's interesting because you mentioned her Instagram, some of the other words that she used in some of her posts. Love versus fling. She was very upset that his side described it as a fling or as a one off where she in all of these posts talks about their relationship as being a love relationship, something much more serious than he's acknowledging.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. And to that point, did she not, I'm not sure how recently this was, but she put out messages, she put out Instagram posts not just suggesting but saying that she was involved with Jeremy Renner.

[Amy Robach]

She believes, according to her Instagram post and certainly what she has written, she believed and believes that they were in a relationship. And that is not what Jeremy Renner's team is saying at all.

[TJ Holmes]

So, and a reminder, if you all do not know Jeremy Renner, yes, Hawkeye from the Marvel franchise, but he is much more than Hawkeye from the Marvel franchise. Rose. Those are enormous movies. So that makes him a worldwide superstar. But this dude has some acting chops, credentials and bonafides to his name.

[Amy Robach]

Absolutely. The Hurt Locker heard of that? Yes. And he was nominated for an Academy Award for that.

[TJ Holmes]

Best actor. That's not, that's a big deal.

[Amy Robach]

It's a. Every time he is mentioned or introduced in any room, he is Academy Award nominated, Oscar nominated actor. Jeremy Renner, the Town Ben Affleck, next.

[TJ Holmes]

Year, very next year.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. These are huge movie franchises. He is a household name. And he certainly, he's not just respected for being some hunky leading man. He is absolutely given a lot of bonafides for his acting chops.

[TJ Holmes]

And we should mention as well the last several Mission Impossible movies with Tom Cruise, he was added to that franchise. So we mentioned that. To say this is a ginormous Hollywood superstar who is being accused robes of. I, I, I hate trying to interpret what somebody is saying, but when you say that your physical encounter was not consensual, you are saying that you were violated. You were saying that you were raped, you were saying that you were sexually assaulted in some way that is criminal. And she is saying this happened in.

[Amy Robach]

Recent months, in July is what she is saying. So according to both of them, I believe she's acknowledged this as well. Their first meeting where they actually met, one on one. She lives in la, he lives in Reno, but they had sex that night. So their first night that they actually physically met, they actually had sex. Jeremy Renner's team says it was consensual. She is now saying it was not.

[TJ Holmes]

Consensual, but she is saying that a relationship continued. And we are going to read some of her messages here. That suggests robes that she was in a loving or thought she was in A loving relationship. She talks about how she still loves.

[Amy Robach]

Him even, which is bizarre. If you love someone and then the first hashtag you have at the bottom of your Instagram is cancel Jeremy Renner. It this is a very bizarre case. And I will say we'll get into the details of what she put out on Instagram, her defense and her receipts, she keeps calling them of text messages on WhatsApp that she's putting out there on her Instagram account, first of all, can't be verified, obviously, but also have certain very important things cut off. And she puts pictures out there that show him bizarrely sitting on a couch. That makes it look like she's proving, see, I was with him in real life. Here I am with him. Like she's almost wanting to prove to everyone that she did physically know him and had him in close proximity in a living room setting that somehow that proves what she's saying.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean, she's trying to make her case on social media, which is not obviously anybody who suggests a good idea, but she is continuing and on and on, you all. We're talking about almost volumes of text of Instagram posts she's putting out trying to make her case. We should robes right now before we get into more of what she put out on Instagram to should say what? He and his lawyer, they have absolutely responded and responded. Struggling cease and desist letters are flying back and forth between these folks. But he and his lawyer are absolutely defending him in the strongest of ways.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, he says that these are false, outrageous and highly defamatory statements. Here is what his attorney said. The true facts are that Ms. Zhou has relentlessly and aggressively harassed and pursued my client for months with no reciprocation on my client's part other than a single brief encounter on July 12, 2025.

[TJ Holmes]

And we're reading that right. They're acknowledging and. And they call it probably intentionally a brief encounter versus a sexual encounter. But we're supposed to assume that that's what it was. This. Are we reading this the same way, Roach?

[Amy Robach]

That's exactly how I read it. And then they talk about how she was sending him hundreds of messages, sexually explicit messages expressing her love. So from Joe to Renner, they claim they have these. And they also said that she aggressively pursued a sexual romantic sexting relationship and has manufactured fake and outlandish claims to generate publicity for her projects. I mentioned the hashtags. They all begin with Cancel Jeremy Renner, but they all include hashtags of the names of her two projects that she'd like people to check out.

[TJ Holmes]

What are we supposed to do with that, though?

[Amy Robach]

It's a tough thing to do if you're. And then she also hashtag survivor. So you're claiming. And fine, she's claiming that she was raped. Let's just be honest. That is what she's claiming. She's wants everyone to cancel Jeremy Renner. She wants everyone to acknowledge her as a survivor. And she's also then at the same time, in the same breath promoting her projects. That's tough.

[TJ Holmes]

What's the. I don't know. What are you supposed to do? I mean, she's. Can you do both? You know what? You can. You should be allowed to. But you have to also understand the optics. That's fair. That you could do it and she could be sincere.

[Amy Robach]

You can do whatever you'd like.

[TJ Holmes]

But you have to understand.

[Amy Robach]

Take away. Yes. What they will based on. They're questioning motive, they're questioning why. So there are a couple of questions as to whether or not she felt, who knows, her ego got bruised, she got rejected. It could. Or something nefarious could have happened. Like it's one or the other. And also she's taking advantage potentially of a situation where she's trying. She claims to be transparent. Set the record straight. She says she doesn't want to cause any harm. She said she doesn't want to vilify him. She wants to be transparent. Right. Is that what the word she will use?

[TJ Holmes]

She wants to be transparency. Ah, this is not retaliation.

[Amy Robach]

Retaliation, that was the word I was looking for. She didn't want to be retaliatory, but she just wanted to be transparent. That's fine. I just think it's definitely a little bit difficult to swallow when you then are also promoting projects.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, that's. That's fair enough, I think. Yeah. If that's. That doesn't have to be our opinion. That's fair to acknowledge that. Of course, people going to look at that way and as we start sharing her messages here, it is going to come up and it does. She. I think every single message includes a mention and it's not just a mention of the movie. It's the actual tag to the.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, it's clickable.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

She has the. She has. Basically has the Instagram handle for all of her projects. So that if you're on her Instagram page and you're looking at her accusations within the. Accusations within the narrative, she does have links to her project.

[TJ Holmes]

Doesn't change her truth. Does it not? It doesn't.

[Amy Robach]

It doesn't but it, it would allow, or at least I'm sure some folks it would. It's an easy opening to question the motivation. I also don't know. Here's what I don't know. She has 1.8 million followers on Instagram right now. I don't know if that was the case before she started making these accusations. Not sure. No idea what her Instagram was beforehand. But she has a significant following.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, she was. She's been termed a. What? Certainly a filmmaker, but before this an influencer I believe online as well. So some of her we're getting here. This kind of sets the stage. This first one we're going to read. And again folks, we are going to read just verbatim what she wrote and what her words are. This one, another one kind of sets the stage. Here you wanted to end. Where is it? You take this. Can you take that first one?

[Amy Robach]

Yes. In June 2025, out of the blue, I received two photos of Jeremy Renner and then a string of unwanted, unsolicited pornographic images of himself via DM and WhatsApp. That was his introduction to me in the same way, according to past media reports. I subsequently discovered he shared with other women in the past as self intro. After having calls and text discussions, he allured me and sold me that he is looking for a relation and of course seduced, flattered that he was a Hollywood star, fantasizing and loving me so much. I believed in him, the power of love and embarked on the most difficult months plus two Oscar running projects. I kindly invited him to be a part. Subsequently I discovered to be destroyed by a setup smear fans campaign against me and our two projects. This is alarming to know in Hollywood we can still act in such a manner. I'm worried for other women who will be victim and. And might have been victim being used as a sexual object.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, every word of it's true. What? What, what if every word are we supposed to. How do we look at something when somebody's saying they are a victim of a powerful man? How are we supposed to look at that? How do we scrutinize without then discouraging other women who are absolute victims from coming forward?

[Amy Robach]

So I think this is a little bit different, tj. So just by what she wrote, may I point out.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

That she claims to have gotten unwanted, unsolicited, sexually explicit photos from Jeremy Renner.

[TJ Holmes]

I know where you're going.

[Amy Robach]

She did not need to respond. She did not need to reply and she certainly did not need to then ask him to Be a part of her project.

[TJ Holmes]

This is where I pumped.

[Amy Robach]

Those were her choices.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. Choices. This is where I pump the brakes. A, a, an upcoming. A starving artist who wants an opportunity to work with that guy. What then? That allure, that draw? I'm saying someone will point to that and say, hey, he drew her in. He's a powerful man. We've seen this all before.

[Amy Robach]

But if he did what she said he did, and he very well may have. Yeah, she knew what she was walking into. He didn't send her flattering text saying, I really liked your work or I saw what you did here, I think you're an interesting person. Let's meet up. He's if it's true, because we don't know that, that he sent her these and he denies it flatly denies sending her sexually explicit photos. Absolutely. But if he did do that, I would just say she's. At the time she was 37 years old. What did she think she was entering into? What kind of a professional relationship did she think would be expected? I'm just saying we have to at least acknowledge she's a grown ass woman. She's not 21 years old. She's not 19 years old. And if all of what she says is true, she chose to engage with him and she chose to invite him to be a part of her projects.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, fine, fine to all of that. Now we get to the next thing. Let's say she just made a bad decision. Let's say, okay, he sent her these messages. That's true. Unsolicited pornographic images. Sent them. She got drawn in. That still doesn't mean the non consensual encounter did not happen.

[Amy Robach]

So if it happened. Look, I appreciate and I understand that women feel concerned and upset and like scared to say and point to someone who is powerful. Going to police isn't always an option. It doesn't feel like an option. So I get that. I guess a lot of folks would just question her choice to then continue in a romantic relationship with him. If that's your first encounter, your first physical encounter with somebody after they've already sent you sexually explicit emails and then the first physical encounter you have with them, you say that you were forced into a sexual encounter that you did not consent to, then you're going to continue to converse with this person and invite them to be a part of your projects and then say you had consensual relationship with them afterwards. That's just a tough thing for I think anyone to get their head around.

[TJ Holmes]

But now here we are. Jeremy Renner, Oscar nominee, has been accused of sexually assaulting someone.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And threatening to call ICE on them and also sending explicit photos. So it's a multitude of of harassment.

[TJ Holmes]

I am glad you mentioned I stay here folks, we're going to tell you about the ICE threat, the one that's making so many headlines out there. Exactly what did he say? And actually why didn't she say more about that particular incident? Also folks, we're gonna go through and gonna go through as quickly as we can some of her other messages. We don't need to interpret them for you, for you. We're just gonna let you hear them for yourself.

[Amy Robach]

Let's be real.

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[TJ Holmes]

All right folks, welcome back. We continue here on Amy and TJ with Jeremy Renner. The accusations coming at him from a filmmaker, a Yijio, a 38 year old filmmaker working on a documentary, also an animated show that he or movie that he was a part of now accusing him of a non consensual sexual encounter. And she claimed ropes from her Instagram post. This is her boyfriend, was it not?

[Amy Robach]

She definitely. It seems from the posts from what she had put up that she believed that she and Jeremy Renner were in a romantic relationship.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, now a lot of the headlines rope I think it might have been you brought this story to my attention. You're like you not going to believe this. And I think one of the big headlines was this. Yes, this Chinese is her Chinese filmmaker, right?

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, she's a Chinese filmmaker.

[TJ Holmes]

So one of the things, one of the accusations, you're going to see this in a lot of headlines. You know, Jeremy Renner threatens to call ice on Chinese filmmaker that's I'm not sure if that's true because we see the post. She makes robes.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

And she says something. But she. Excuse me, she didn't say she shows, but didn't show enough.

[Amy Robach]

So I'll actually tell you exactly what her and you all can check it out for yourself and her Instagram page. But she says, please see written records. The denial is bad conduct. Giving all the documents and communications produced. What she produced is a. It looks like a WhatsApp back and forth and it says Jeremy Renner. It shows her saying, go to hell. All names are given. You are a pig. You use all apps to send dick pics. No one said anything so far. And then you see at the very bottom. So this is supposedly from Jeremy Renner where he writes, immigration will be notified of your. But then it's cut off. And clearly there is another sentence. You can see the tops of the letters. But she chose not to include the rest of what he responded to her with and yet made the claim that he threatened to call ICE on her. So that one line, immigration will be notified of your. But then she, like, why wouldn't she show the second line? Number one? Number two, we don't obviously have verification that this text exchange is real.

[TJ Holmes]

That that is such a. You knew folks are going to run with that headline. Threatens to call ICE at this time and day and all those headlines.

[Amy Robach]

It makes him look like a total asshole on top of being potentially a sexual predator.

[TJ Holmes]

And again, all of that stuff about him could be true. But this is so difficult, Rose, we've talked about these so often when it comes to this. You can't on. You can't put this genie back in that bottle. Once somebody has attached to Jeremy Renner. He's a potential rapist. He's a potential guy who is trying to get a woman deported. Those are the headlines. How do you put that back in? I don't know. And how do you have this discussion, Robes? We talk about it all the time. There are real victims out there who are not coming forward and they watch a story like this and what are they supposed to do?

[Amy Robach]

It's frustrating because, look, I. It's tough. We don't know what the truth is. And that's the problem. But when you do have questionable behavior, and we're going to read a couple of these questionable posts that she made on Instagram that, that do leave you wondering what actually is going on. And I think it's fair to question. I think we, yes, we want to believe women. Yes, we want to believe their stories. I obviously want to be we are on that page and yet when you you still have to give it's not fair to have Jeremy Renner immediately assumed to be the worst person to assume that he did these things. Assume that he must be guilty even if he is a player, even if he is a ladies man. Whatever you want to assign to it. It doesn't mean that he is a sexual predator.

[TJ Holmes]

But if we assume he's not guilty, that means we are assuming she's not telling the truth. And if you do that we have a problem. I don't know Robes, we've talked about these plenty and I don't know what way to go and how to do it but we'll continue talking. Let's. Let's take and folks we'll just go through and we'll just give you verbatim the post that she read. This first one here is from she thanks a reporter. This was bizarre but this is a tabloid reporter but she was speaking very highly and and thanking these folks for reporting her story.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And to be like really pointed this was a tabloid. She says thank you tabloid for letting me tell my story A story of survival against domestic aggression porn abuse and abuse of workplace and abuse As a woman I'm sure there will be many other stories who will come forward and I really invite the that have not spoken to speak up. Our projects and all the people that have worked really hard and that are a part of the project will also survive the storm.

[TJ Holmes]

This next one here Robe is a. This was you've you and I probably talked about this exchange more than any.

[Amy Robach]

Other we have because this one to me was eye opening and it speaks to where her head was. And again let's just like reiterate they met in July and both of them have agreed they had a sexual encounter and he claims that was it. They met once again in August but nothing happened physically between the two of them. In fact he claims he rejected her. So she says and she writes I believed in a Disney fairy tale when Jeremy Renner reached out to me and pursued me. I thought until recently love was pure and his accident made him a new person. Therefore and then she this is when she chronicles of Disney and Stardust future movie those are her two projects included him and the fairy tale I believed in was interwoven in the two works that seems I don't I don't want to put makes you question her story.

[TJ Holmes]

Out of the blue. I received two photos of Jeremy Renner and then a string of unwanted unsolicited pornographic images of him. I believed in a Disney fairy tale when Jeremy Renner reached out to me and pursued me. She's describing the exact same moment in two very different ways by her own words. I am not. I want to give her every benefit of the doubt. I'm only reading what she's saying. Robes.

[Amy Robach]

So which one is true, and can they both be true?

[TJ Holmes]

He reached out to me messages previous. You were saying he was sending unsolicited, unwanted pornographic stuff. I don't. She does. Those are her words.

[Amy Robach]

And then she said, I thought, until recently, love was pure and his accident made him a new person. So she. And also when she's describing, as we pointed out earlier, she claims that she doesn't want to be retaliatory, and at the same time, she wants to be transparent. And then she's like, cancel Jeremy Renner. I. None of that.

[TJ Holmes]

All.

[Amy Robach]

Some. All of what she's saying. They don't jive. They don't work together. They're confusing.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm gonna use them for his own pleasure. I'm reading. Time to see if this is the next one. Yeah, I'm gonna skip that. Next. I'm gonna go down to this one. When I first received pornographic images, they were unwanted and unsolicited cyber flashing. Then he talked me into a relationship with him, sold me his love. However, the truth that is the most devastating came out in the recent weeks when he set up fan smear campaign, started devastating. Our documentary at Chronicles of Disney and Our future, or our first ever animated feature at Stardust. Future Movie, which will be released in a few weeks. As a woman and as a filmmaker, being in a relationship with someone with whom you also have projects in the process of being released, I debated for a long time how to present it, given the difficulties I went through and the truth I discovered slowly throughout the last few months. And robes. I can't remember why I did it, but I underlined this next section.

[Amy Robach]

You did, she wrote. I thought it would be more respectful for myself and for him to present it under the denomination of love, rather than a new relationship or a fling or whatever you want to call it. I have always respected him and will continue to respect him, but the love and the respect has not been reciprocated. When the smear campaign started attacking us and continued to attack us online, I thought the truth about him should come out. And truth is a defense.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't want to interpret. I'm going to keep reading. My intention is not retaliation, but transparency. I have worked tirelessly to complete my two films, Masters of Cinema, Chronicles of Disney and Stardust Future, both of which honor the artisans of Hollywood and the spirit of creative collaboration. I have the right to protect my professional reputation, to set boundaries, and to correct misinformation when selective reporting distorts the facts.

[Amy Robach]

She goes on to say, my team and I, we have all suffered and our story is, in the end, a story of survivors. My truth led many women contact me speaking about the same pain with him. I think I have spoken a lot and provided all the receipts here. I wish to reroute our comm to two projects and Oscar campaigns going forward. A last promotional nod.

[TJ Holmes]

Why not? I mean, yes, it's gonna work, people the wrong way. I am trying to. And I. And even going throughout here, I was so careful and trying to make sure of our tone. It feels robes, as if you always defer. You have to. Women have not been believed for so long. Wasn't that the case? So they're being listened to and believed. So we have to. I don't know what to do but start there with believing every word out of her mouth. But if I do that, good Christ. I am not leaving any room for Jeremy Renner to say anything.

[Amy Robach]

I think it will be very interesting to see. This is obviously getting ugly. It's gotten ugly all weekend long and there will be more to come in the days that follow. And we will be following this because, look, this is a tough spot. Yes, we want to believe women 100% and for too long we haven't. And yet, at the same time, I think it's only fair to not tell someone or assume that someone's guilty before they've had a chance to prove otherwise. So look, Jeremy Renner's team says they have hundreds of emails from this woman where she was obsessed with him, harassing him, professing her love to him, wanting to have sexual texting back and forth. So look, I imagine that in his defense, if that's there and they do have that in their possession, they will be releasing that. She's been releasing what she has on her Instagram. So I would think this is going to get flushed out, that if everything each is saying is provable. Let's see all the receipts.

[TJ Holmes]

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[TJ Holmes]

Okay. Ye Zhou is the name if you want to check her out on Instagram. But it's all there for you to see. We just want to chime in and jump on this one, folks. We will continue to follow this. There will be updates, robes, I believe probably very, very soon.

[Amy Robach]

Maybe even on Monday, maybe even tomorrow. Yes. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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