"Never Too Late To Do The Right Thing", Emotional New Plea from Savannah Guthrie

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode: “Never Too Late To Do The Right Thing”, Emotional New Plea from Savannah Guthrie
Date: February 16, 2026
Host: Amy Robach & TJ Holmes, iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the latest developments in the high-profile kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “Today” host Savannah Guthrie. Amy and TJ dissect Savannah’s latest emotional video plea, discuss the status and complexity of the ongoing investigation, and break down the difficulties hindering law enforcement—including a lack of surveillance footage and a newly discovered glove potentially tied to the suspect.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Savannah Guthrie’s Emotional Plea (02:06–06:55)

• Content and Tone: Savannah’s new Instagram video marks a turn to exhaustion and desperation, with a direct appeal to the humanity of whoever holds her mother or knows the perpetrator.
  • Quote (Savannah Guthrie, 04:25):

    “I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late, and you're not lost or alone… It is never too late to do the right thing. And we are here. We believe. And we believe in the essential goodness of every human being. And it's never too late.”

• Amy’s Analysis (02:36–03:14, 05:55–06:35):
  • Recognizes the shift from earlier pleas—monetary offers, home videos of Nancy—to a final, hope-flecked call to the kidnapper’s or an accomplice’s conscience:

    “They have tried to humanize their mom… offer to pay money… just appeal to the humanity of the kidnapper. She’s ticking off all the different ways you could possibly try to convince someone to… do the right thing.”

  • Notes Savannah’s “emotional fatigue… it doesn’t feel like she does [believe]. This feels like exhaustion and desperation and just sadness. The weight of all this. I felt her weight.”
• Religious Undertones (06:55–07:24):
  • Amy interprets “you’re not lost or alone” as rooted in Savannah’s faith, aiming to reach a perpetrator’s core values.

2. Crime, Accomplices, and the Desperate Hunt for Information (07:24–11:48)

• Knowledge of Crime:
  • TJ and Amy discuss how major crimes are rarely committed without at least one other person knowing—suggesting Savannah’s language also targets anyone with partial information.
    • Amy (08:27):

      “It would be hard to believe that someone else close to or around the person… doesn’t know or isn’t thinking something’s off.”

• Tip Overload & Investigative Challenges (10:18–11:05):
  • The influx of tens of thousands of tips poses a real risk of missing the one critical clue.
    • Amy:

      “Imagine… you have a couple hundred emails… now imagine getting 13,000 emails. Now you have to go through all of them, but don't miss the one that actually is the one you have to have.”

    • TJ:

      “That's police work... [you] love the tips, but man, you gotta go through all of them.”

3. The Surveillance Dilemma and Neighborhood Obstacles (15:52–19:51)

• Zoning and Technology Barriers:

  • The rural, spread-out nature of Nancy Guthrie’s neighborhood means doorbell cameras and lighting ordinances are ineffective for this kind of investigation.
    • Amy (16:16–17:50):

      “...the houses have to be set back 30ft from the road. So that makes a doorbell camera kind of not even that relevant… It's not like you're in an urban… or even a suburban area.”

    • TJ (17:50–19:03):

      “Plenty of them are much further than 30ft. Your ring camera… at night? Probably not… So in this case, we're like, you can't find it—well, that's why.”

• Reflecting on Rural Security:

  • Amy notes that idyllic, nature-heavy living can come at a security cost:

    “...suddenly these bucolic, idyllic settings seem scary and… not secure because… there's no way to even piece this together.”

4. The Glove Discovery and DNA Hopes (19:51–21:52)

• Major Development: The Glove (19:51–21:17)
  • The FBI confirms DNA was found in a glove resembling those seen on the suspect in porch camera footage.
    • TJ (19:51):

      “...it in fact appears to match the gloves being worn by their suspect in that ring camera video… messing around with the ring camera.”

  • Amy:

    “That's significant. And hopefully that could at least create some results. Maybe they can match it with the DNA they found in the home.”

• Investigator Missteps (21:02–21:52):
  • Multiple discarded gloves from search parties, possibly investigators, could complicate evidence.
    • Amy:

      “That was weird, wasn't it? Seems like investigating 101. Don't throw your gloves in the middle of what could still be an active crime scene.”

    • TJ:

      “At least 16 pairs of gloves have been found and most of them were discarded from searchers.”

5. Investigation Status & Lingering Questions (21:52–24:10)

• Identity & Motive Questions

  • No suspects, publicly or privately, as of three weeks in.
    • Amy (22:30):

      “We only know that the person they are looking for is 5,9 to 5,10, medium build, had that Ozark Trails backpack… clothing… purchased at Walmart.”

  • Early ransom deadlines passed—family responded, would have paid, but still received silence.
    • TJ (23:03):

      “If the point of the kidnapping is ransom and they just told you we'll give you what you want and you… don't make the deal, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.”

• What’s Left?

  • Amy sums up that hope now rides either on a valuable tip rising from the masses, or the DNA evidence leading to a breakthrough:

    “It feels like the only hope right now is either a tip that… someone finally does the right thing, or this DNA actually leads to some sort of a hit on someone, whether… through a genealogy website or this person might be in their database.” (23:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Savannah Guthrie’s plea (04:25, 05:16):

  “It's never too late, and you're not lost… or alone.” “We believe in the essential goodness of every human being. And it's never too late.”

• Amy Robach (02:36, 05:55):

  “She's ticking off all the different ways you could possibly try to convince someone to… do the right thing.” “This feels like exhaustion and desperation and just sadness.”

• TJ Holmes (09:03):

  “Most criminals aren't this good at covering their tracks. They're just not.”

• Amy Robach (16:16):

  “...the houses have to be set back 30ft from the road. So that makes a doorbell camera kind of not even that relevant.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Savannah’s Video & Analysis: 02:06–07:24
• Crime/accomplice discussion & tip overload: 07:24–11:48
• Surveillance & Neighborhood obstacles: 15:52–19:51
• Glove DNA development: 19:51–21:52
• Case status & ongoing questions: 21:52–24:10

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Episode Tone

The discussion is empathetic, deeply engaged, and at times frustrated with both the emotional toll on the Guthrie family and the obstacles staving off resolution. TJ and Amy alternate between professional analysis, investigative curiosity, and raw human sympathy. Their dialogue weaves in urgency, incredulity at procedural stumbles, and persistent hope for a breakthrough.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a comprehensive review of a complex, ongoing case—highlighting the evolution of Savannah Guthrie’s pleas, the unique investigative challenges posed by the neighborhood, and the fraught waiting game around the DNA lead. Amy and TJ keep listeners up to date with facts, context, and genuine concern, making this episode valuable for anyone following the Nancy Guthrie case or interested in the realities of modern crime investigation.

Transcript

[Amy Robach]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Monday, February 16th and we have gotten another video from Savannah Guthrie. And in this one, she is pleading with the possible kidnapper or with whoever knows who that kidnapper is. It is not too late to do the right thing. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. What did you make of? And we're gonna play it here for you folks. But what did you make of this video, maybe comp to some others and in particular, some of the language she used in this one.

[Amy Robach]

Look, I think she has tried over these past few weeks to appeal in any way to either, yes, the kidnapper or someone who knows of the kidnapping or knows who the kidnapper is. They have tried to humanize their mom. They've tried to beg, plead, offer to pay money. This time, she. It felt like she was desperate and out of options and exhausted and trying to just appeal to. Now, the humanity of the kidnapper, It's. She's ticking off all the different ways you could possibly try to convince someone to, yes, as she put it, do the right thing.

[TJ Holmes]

You're right. I didn't think about. She said, okay, she's sick. Help us out.

[Ryder Strong]

In.

[TJ Holmes]

In one video, another video, she was appealing and saying, yes, we'll pay. To your point, Robes. What else. What other option do you have? I said, we'll give you this. I said, we'll give you this. Now all I got left is to try to appeal to you as a decent human being for a second. That's. That is desperation.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Because the one before that, remember, was the home videos of her mom as a young mother and her siblings as young children. Just. Everyone remembers those home videos. So. Saying she's just like us. Please remember your own mother. Remember your own childhood. Please, please give us our mother back. Bring her home.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. We are now officially in the third week of the search for Nancy Guthrie. But this video put out yesterday by Savannah Guthrie on Instagram, it's about a minute, 15 seconds long, in which he's making an appeal. Here now is Savannah Guthrie. Apologies for my delay in getting this thing queued up and playing again. Total apology, you all. I'm hitting play on this thing, and it's not happening. Here we go.

[Savannah Guthrie]

I wanted to come on, and it's been two weeks since our mom was taken, and I just wanted to come on and say that we still have hope and we still believe. And I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late, and you're not lost.

[Menelik Lumumba]

Or alone.

[Savannah Guthrie]

And it is never too late to do the right thing. And we are here. We believe. And we believe in the essential goodness of every human being. And it's never too late.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, Rope. Some words in there jumped out at me. This video was put out on the same day that we got word that there is possible new DNA evidence of a glove that was found. We'll get into that in just a moment. But. But in playing it and hearing it, what. What jumps out at you there in the language and she chose to use.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, just what jumps out to me is her emotional fatigue. And even though, as you're hearing her say, we believe, it doesn't feel like she does. I. I just. I felt incredible.

[TJ Holmes]

I think that's fair.

[Amy Robach]

Sadness for her. It just. In other ones, there was urgency, there was energy. There was. There. I felt the hope and the. And the desperate need for information. This feels like exhaustion and desperation and. And just sadness. The. The weight of all of this. Just. I felt it. I felt her weight.

[TJ Holmes]

The. The words here she used about, you're not lost or alone. It almost seemed like she had been talking to someone and is like, it's a direct appeal or a reaction to something she knows. I thought that was like, what does she possibly mean? It sound like she was talking to someone specifically.

[Amy Robach]

It's interesting. That was your take. When I heard that, I thought of her religious leanings. She is a very. She's a woman of faith and Yahwe, you are not. You are not alone. God is always with you. I. It felt very religious to me in tone that. Trying to remind whoever this person is who took their mother that you're not lost. You're not alone. The essential goodness of every human being. It sounded like it had a lot of religious undertones to me.

[TJ Holmes]

Whoever know. Whoever has her or knows where she is now. The. Knows where she is robes, it seems. And again, we haven't had a lot, but a lot of notes have been coming in, and it seems like they were getting further along with this person claiming to know who the kidnapper is in terms of interactions and back and forth than they were getting with the person who was sending in the actual ransom or alleged ransom emails. So she threw that in there, or who knows where she is? Is that fair to say? Or did you take it the same? It seemed like there was significant back and forth, like we were getting somewhere with the person who was sending the notes to tmz.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, we could only hope that she has some information that maybe she knows and we don't, that there is some validity or credibility to the person writing those notes to TMZ saying, I will give up the person who took Nancy Guthrie if I get 50,000 now and 50,000 later. So maybe there is. And that would be amazing if that is true.

[TJ Holmes]

But.

[Amy Robach]

But I also think any crime that's ever been committed, especially of this magnitude, it's rarely done without someone else knowing. Someone else who that person came home to who that person acted bizarrely in front of who had some clothes to clean or some. You know, you always hear about this after the fact. Either sometimes these folks either have roommates, loved ones, best friends. Sometimes they confide some. It's. It would be hard to believe that someone else close to or around the person who took Nancy Guthrie doesn't know or isn't thinking something's off.

[TJ Holmes]

And the other point connected to that Robes, is that most criminals aren't this good at covering their tracks. They're just not. So that would lend itself to your theory. Somebody knows who this guy is. Somebody has to know. And maybe that's the way to go to appeal to the humanity of someone around this person rather than this person. That is a very good point. It seems so improbable Robes, that nobody noticed this guy being gone overnight from his own home. He was acting strangely the next day or something.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And if. Can you imagine if you had that information or you knew or you were suspicious? The. The I would hope your conscious would. Conscience would be eating away at you like at every day. You'd feel worse and terrible and you would feel guilty about even having that knowledge. So she's trying to appeal to that person. If that person exists out there who is adjacent to this kidnapping, who can possibly solve the crime.

[TJ Holmes]

But it's hard to imagine at the same time, Rose, that you having that. And you know what? Maybe someone has. Whoever she's appealing to has sent in a tip and they're waiting to get through it because it's numbered 20,000 in the 30,000 they got.

[Amy Robach]

Haven't you thought about that? All the true crime stories we have watched and read about and certainly even followed, there's the one tip, but it could be buried in thousands of other tips. And these investigators have to go through each one and treat each one like it could be that tip, the one that breaks the case. I. That is such a daunting, overwhelming concept. Imagine just, you know, you have a. A couple hundred emails backed up in your inbox. You'd be like, oh my God, I have to go through all of these. And you might skip important ones as you're trying to go through it all. That's what I was to imagine the task being like getting 13,000 emails. Now you have to go through all of them, but don't miss the one that actually is the one you have to have or the one you actually need to find.

[TJ Holmes]

That's police work, man. And on a high profile case, that is police where you love the tips, but man, you got to go through all of them. And some well meaning people, robes are out there saying, I think I saw this, I think I saw that. And they're completely wrong, but they're, they're trying to help and police have to go through every one of them. I don't, that's, it's, it's true. And it's why we're in the third week and it's why we're in the third week and still don't seem to have too much more than we had on night one. But stay with us because there was a major development in this case having to do with a glove that was found with DNA that is now being tested.

[Saskia]

In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

[Amy Robach]

I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately the mask came off.

[Savannah Guthrie]

You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband.

[Saskia]

To keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.

[Amy Robach]

You're a dangerous person who preys on.

[TJ Holmes]

Vulnerable and trusting people.

[Amy Robach]

Your creditor, Michael Levengood.

[Saskia]

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[TJ Holmes]

Welcome to the A Building. I'm Hans Charles.

[Menelik Lumumba]

I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated, and black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an.

[TJ Holmes]

Unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

[Menelik Lumumba]

To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying.

[TJ Holmes]

1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

[Amy Robach]

The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

[Menelik Lumumba]

This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Brandon Kyle Goodman]

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[Duran Bernard]

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[Brandon Kyle Goodman]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Saskia]

It was many and many a year.

[Amy Robach]

Ago in a kingdom by the sea.

[Ryder Strong]

In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

[TJ Holmes]

No, I am not your guru.

[Ryder Strong]

And back then I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

[Amy Robach]

There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

[Ryder Strong]

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

[TJ Holmes]

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

[Amy Robach]

They have had this case for 30 years.

[Brandon Kyle Goodman]

I'll teach you sons of come round here.

[TJ Holmes]

And my wife, boom boom.

[Ryder Strong]

This is the red weather. Listen to the red weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ with the developments in the Nancy Guthrie case went missing. Now two weeks ago, 84 year old mother of Today show host and Savannah Guthrie has been missing again. Robes. They told us on day one she's got vital medication that if she doesn't take every single day, she could die. And that was 15 days ago. They told us this.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, that's surreal because at that time we were thinking, oh, this, this is gonna, this case is going to be cracked imminently. I don't think any of us could have imagined that it would have been going on for this long. And still almost no answers. And I saw something really interesting about part of the reason why this case is so different from other cases we've seen where someone goes missing or you're trying to find a body basically of someone who's been murdered. We are. We're so reliant now, or at least police have become so reliant now on surveillance video. And so that's why we heard early on the Pima county sheriff saying we need neighbors, doorbell cameras. We need. And we thought, oh, this is gonna be quick. We're gonna get so many different angles. They're gonna find that vehicle, they're gonna see that person walking on the streets like we saw in Boston. We've just had so many recent crimes we've seen solved. Might take a couple days, but once they get those videos, it kind of happens pretty quickly. I didn't realize this, but in the neighborhood that Nancy Guthrie lives in, the zoning laws, just in order to keep it as beautiful and bucolic as it is, you have to have a one, a one acre property. So they divide properties up acre by acre. So you don't have these small houses all lined up with all these cameras. And the houses have to be set back 30ft from the road. So that makes a doorbell camera kind of not even that relevant now because it's so set back, the idea that it would catch something. It's not like you're in an urban area or even a suburban area.

[TJ Holmes]

This is so rural, you say 30ft and plenty, plenty of them are much further than 30ft. I'm trying to give some kind of a perspective or context for something 30ft away from your. Your ring camera. Is it going to pick that stuff up at night? Probably not. It's probably just going to pick up the stuff of activity right around your porch. And that's. That's great. And the area is beautiful. And it. That works just in this particular case, they don't need to change laws and all this. In this particular case, it's not working. It's not helping. And that's a good point to bring up, Rose, because the. I think about the Brown University shooter, right? How they piece together his movements based on camera here, camera there, they could track him and they tracked the car. With so many of these cases we've seen the Ohio, I can say it off the top of my head now. Cases, the Ohio, the dentist. Yeah, they tracked him, found the car and pieced him together, literally, frame by frame, almost to track his ass back to Illinois. And in this case, we're like, how did you can't find it. Why did you not see? Well, that's why. And you're driving down even a car drive. She could have been taken from the front porch to a car driven down that road, and not a single camera catches that.

[Amy Robach]

Exactly.

[TJ Holmes]

And look, it seems impossible, right? These days.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, I'm even seeing articles pop up about now, people reconsidering where they have their elderly or their aging parents and not wanting them. Like, yes, you can understand the draw of being in the middle of nature. God, that sounds beautiful. But if you're worried about safety of someone that you love now, suddenly these bucolic, idyllic settings seem scary and security and not secure because of what we're seeing happening in terms of the investigation, the after the fact. Now, there's no way to even piece this together. You pointed this out, I believe, last week. Also, there were ordinances on lighting. Correct. They wanted to be able to see the night sky. This is all about enjoying the nature around. And yet now it's still stymie ing the investigation into figuring out what happened to her.

[TJ Holmes]

That is so crazy. This story continues. And it's just those little elements even add to just. Are you kidding me? Kind of elements to this story. We did tell you there was a significant update having to do with a glove that was found. You've been hearing about this glove, but the FBA FBI did come out and say that, yes, it in fact appears to match the gloves being worn by their suspect in that ring camera video from the porch. So you see that person with the ski mask on, the backpack on and gloves on, messing around with the ring camera ropes. They're saying the gloves he's wearing, they believe they found some that match and they have some DNA in it.

[Amy Robach]

That's. That's significant. And hopefully that could at least create some results. Maybe they can match it with the DNA they found in the home, see if it's from the same person. But that is very promising. And these gloves were found two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home. These were those gloves that a reporter was along for the ride. Correct. And saw the gloves. So they found a lot of gloves. There were, like, reports of. But they said most of them were from investigators actually discarding the gloves.

[TJ Holmes]

Even that was. Is that normal behavior?

[Amy Robach]

Why would you just throw gloves? Again, beautiful. No, but I feel like that's not. Okay, you know what? Litter.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. You think about litter. I'm thinking about the investigation. Both of them are reasons not to throw your gloves. That's.

[Amy Robach]

That was weird, wasn't it seems like investigated investigating 101. Don't throw your gloves in the middle of what still could be an active crime scene because, you know, you always go back and research areas. Why would they discard them?

[TJ Holmes]

The number was. At least 16 pairs of gloves have been found and most of them were discarded from searchers.

[Amy Robach]

Maybe they weren't like official searchers. Maybe they were perhaps. Okay, maybe they were neighbors. But still I don't think you would probably. What did I say? You don't want to poop where eat. I doubt usually if you're from the area, you're very aware of not leaving. Yeah. Your mark behind.

[TJ Holmes]

Again, add another bizarre element to this story, a story that now is in its third week of a search and I guess robes. Is it fair to say the biggest development was that ring camera video?

[Amy Robach]

Absolutely.

[TJ Holmes]

That we've seen. Right. But other than that, the major developments have been fairly few and far between. A few people put in detainment by detained by police at times during investigations. They were all let go. They are not still, from what we understand, rope still being looked at. So there is no one right now. They haven't named the person, certainly publicly, but they keep saying they don't have one behind the scenes. No suspect, no person of interest. Three weeks in. Wow.

[Amy Robach]

We only know that the person they are looking for is 5, 9 to 5 10, medium build, had that Ozark Trails backpack that was sold exclusively at Walmart. I've also seen that they believe the clothing he was wearing was purchased at Walmart as well.

[TJ Holmes]

And.

[Amy Robach]

And those deadlines that we got from those early ransom notes have all passed. And we did see the Guthrie siblings take those deadlines seriously. They released videos in conjunction with those deadlines saying we will pay. So here you have a family saying we will pay and silence.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't lend itself right. If the point of the kidnapping is ransom and they just told you we'll give you what you want and you. You don't make the deal, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This other person who claims they know who the kidnapper is, how they're wanting to be paid. And that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. But that was. I think that was legit negotiating that was going on, or it seemed to through tmz. But roses his story right now. Where is Nancy Guthrie?

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, it feels like the only hope right now is either a tip that. That someone finally does the right thing, or this DNA actually leads to some sort of a hit on someone, whether they go through a genealogy website or this person might be in their database. But certainly the DNA that they found at the home did not match anyone known at this point, so. But that is the biggest lead so far. We will, of course, keep you up to date on any new developments. You could always count on us for that. So hit subscribe there on the right side. I don't say this as often, so I don't really know where it is. The subscribe button is.

[TJ Holmes]

It took me probably a year.

[Amy Robach]

It just rolls right off your tongue now.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. The top right corner of your Apple podcast app where you see our show page, there's a little button that says follow click that you can get our man. I didn't realize. Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

Wow. You have a script in your head.

[TJ Holmes]

It took me a while, but I finally got it down.

[Amy Robach]

So hopefully you got that, everybody. But thank you as always for listening to us. I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ Holmes. We will talk to you very soon. This is an I heart podcast, guaranteed human.