New This Morning: “Act of Terrorism;” Chilling Details on Attackers in Virginia and Michigan

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

Episode Title: New This Morning: “Act of Terrorism;” Chilling Details on Attackers in Virginia and Michigan
Date: March 13, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes

Overview

This gripping episode addresses two violent attacks in the United States, one at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, and another at a synagogue in West Bloomfield, Michigan. Both are being linked, directly or indirectly, to the ongoing war with Iran and broader international tensions. The hosts dive into chilling new details about the attackers, share background context, reactions from authorities, and reflect on the terrifying “why” behind these events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. National Anxiety Amid Global Conflict

• Public Mood: The country is described as “on edge” due to these attacks, with heightened anxiety due to ongoing conflict with Iran.
  • Amy Robach: “The country was on edge yesterday and understandably so…while we are at war with Iran. This is some scary stuff.” (04:07)
• Fear of More Attacks: There’s a palpable fear that these may not be isolated incidents, considering the backdrop of war and the historical potential for ideologically motivated violence at home.
  • TJ Holmes: “Is more of this coming?” (04:35)

2. Breakdown of Attacks

Virginia (Old Dominion University Shooting):

• What Happened:
  • An individual entered an academic building, opened fire, killed an instructor, injured two more, and was ultimately subdued and killed by ROTC members. (05:56)
• Suspect Profile:
  • Muhammad Baylor Jalal, age 36, a former combat engineer in the Virginia National Guard (2009–2015), honorably discharged, later arrested on terrorism charges.
  • Detailed history: pleaded guilty to attempting to kill US citizens by collaborating with someone he thought was purchasing weapons for terror activities—actually an undercover agent; sentenced to 11 years, served 7-8, released in 2024. (08:22-09:15)
• Quote Highlight:
  • Amy, reflecting on Jalal's sentencing statements: “This is so chilling now that we know that, yes, he has murdered. He…finished what he set out to do, which was to kill US Military personnel.” (11:05)

Michigan (West Bloomfield Synagogue Attack):

• What Happened:
  • The attacker drove his vehicle into the synagogue with “many school children in classrooms,” security intervened, resulting in a shootout and the attacker’s vehicle catching fire due to incendiary devices. Security guard injured but survived. (06:38)
  • The building scene was complicated by possible explosives, and forensic analysis delayed due to the extent of fire damage. (20:05)
• Suspect Profile:
  • Ayman Mohammed Ghazali, Lebanese-born, entered the US in 2011 on a fiancé visa, became a citizen in 2016.
  • Personal context: Reportedly lost several family members, including a niece and nephew, in an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon earlier in the month. This is cited by local officials as a possible trigger. (21:50)
  • Noted by Amy as a reflection of how global conflict can reverberate dramatically at the local level.

3. Radicalization & Systemic Concerns

• Motivations of Attackers:
  • Discussion on how both attackers seemingly “waited us out,” having harbored extremist ideologies for years—one even openly disavowing terrorism in court before ultimately acting on it.
  • TJ Holmes: “He faked us out and then waited us out…He did not slip through the cracks; he actually went to prison…” (13:45)
• Complexity of Detection:
  • Amy notes the “personal reasons” and deep-seated ideological resentments can remain unseen, only to erupt under certain triggers or inspiration from global events.

4. Chilling Sentencing Remarks from Jalal (Virginia Attacker)

• Quote:
  • Amy reads from Jalal’s 2016 sentencing:

    “I want to say I’ve made a lot of mistakes in my life, but this mistake of giving any support to the violent and extreme organization ISIS has been the most devastating one...I definitely renounce and denounce every action… I am deeply, deeply, deeply sorry to this court. I'm sorry to the American military. I'm sorry to the people of the United States. I'm very, very sorry for what I have done. I did not intend to cause harm to anyone.” (11:05–11:57)

• Hosts’ Reaction:
  • TJ casts doubt on his sincerity based on subsequent actions: “Based on what happened yesterday—no.” (11:57)
  • Both hosts express a chill at his manipulation of the justice system and how easily sentiments can be faked when pleading for leniency.

5. Direct War Connection

• Local Official Source:
  • TJ and Amy cite the Detroit News quoting the mayor of Dearborn Heights, who reported that Ghazali’s family was killed in a recent Israeli attack in Lebanon, suggesting a direct emotional catalyst for the Michigan synagogue attack. (21:50)
  • TJ: “It’s terrifying to think something directly happening at war set someone off here.” (21:50)
  • Amy: “We just don’t know how many other people might be harboring these feelings… personally impacted and have family members who have been victims of this war. We just don't know. And that's the scary part.” (22:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amy Robach (On national anxiety):

  “While we are at war with Iran, this is some scary stuff. And the details as we start to read about these two suspects, it is chilling. It's deeply concerning…” (04:07)

• TJ Holmes (On the why behind the attacks):

  “The why at any point would scare the hell out of us, right? …With the backdrop now of the war, you have to wonder, is more of this coming?” (04:35)

• Amy Robach (Referring to active shooter training at the synagogue):

  “…all of these training programs that they go through came all to fruition yesterday where they were able to put into action what they learned in training…” (06:38)

• On Ghazali (Michigan Attacker) and the impact of global war:

  TJ: “This war is underway and it's setting some people off that are already in your neighborhood.” (21:50)

• Amy Robach (On not knowing future risks):

  “This is frightening, frightening stuff because we don't know how many other people might be harboring these feelings, might be harboring these resentments, might be personally impacted and have family members who have been victims of this war. We just don’t know. And that’s the scary part.” (22:42)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:24 — Episode topic introduction: Overview of both attacks and national mood
• 05:56 — Detailed breakdown: Old Dominion shooting
• 06:38 — Detailed breakdown: Michigan synagogue attack
• 08:22–09:15 — Muhammad Baylor Jalal’s military and criminal background
• 11:05–11:57 — Jalal’s chilling sentencing statement
• 13:45 — Analysis: Radicalization, justice system, and lessons
• 19:30–20:49 — Details about Ayman Mohammed Ghazali (Michigan suspect), background and investigation challenges
• 21:50–22:42 — Discussion of Ghazali’s reported loss and direct war connection

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Tone and Takeaways

The conversation is sober, urgent, and at times emotional. Both hosts express not just journalistic curiosity but genuine concern and empathy for citizens, victims, and the country’s overall sense of security. They raise unsettling questions about how global tensions can abruptly manifest in homegrown violence, the challenge of unmasking hidden ideologies, and what happens when justice system hopes (for rehabilitation) are met with deception.

The message: As the hosts make clear, recent events signal a dangerous era where international conflicts bleed into everyday American life—sometimes literally—and vigilance, awareness, and empathy are more vital than ever.

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Friday, March 13, and one is being called an act of terrorism, the other being investigated as a targeted act violence. Either way, two violent attacks in the United States yesterday really sent people reeling and now even in more concern possibly now that details are starting to emerge about the alleged attackers. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Old Dominion and a synagogue in Michigan, Virginia and Michigan. Two different states, two different places, but the same kind of terror. You could argue, no matter what you want to call it officially, Robes, the

[Amy Robach]

country was on edge yesterday and understandably so. And I would say on edge today and the days that follow while we are at war with Iran. This is some scary stuff. And the details as we start to read about these two suspects, it is chilling. It's deeply concerning when you see where potentially their heads and hearts were behind these attacks. That's the scary part. The why and the what's next.

[TJ Holmes]

And you say that Robes, the why at any point would scare the hell out of us, right? As Americans hearing you're under attack for whatever reason. But robes put with the backdrop now of the war, you have to wonder, is more of this coming?

[Amy Robach]

Absolutely. This was the fear from the beginning. It wasn't necessarily that Iran had the capability. And even though we heard a scare yesterday about California to actually send missiles to this country or attack the homeland. But they certainly can send folks who are already here, who are from other parts of the world who may have ideologies that are hidden to many of their neighbors and co workers and friends and even maybe partners in plain sight, but deep down they have been activated, so to speak. And we hear about activating Underground terror cells or even individuals who have personal reasons why they want to attack u. S. Citizens. And that is what we saw yesterday.

[TJ Holmes]

Like, we saw some just being inspired. They don't have to be in contact in any way officially trying to do anything, just decide to go out on their own. So we have seen several of these now under investigation. What was. Was it the guy with the. The Iraq, excuse me, the iran shirt, where was it?

[Amy Robach]

That was in Austin.

[TJ Holmes]

That was in austin. I'm thinking about now.

[Amy Robach]

Property of Allah.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, that guy. You can see that image is kind of burned in your mind. But. But folks, let's tell you what happened. Old Dominion and in Michigan yesterday. So on the campus of old dominion university in norfolk, virginia, yesterday, they were in fact in lockdown for a while after reports of a shooting. Now, the reports we got that someone walked into an academic building on campus and started shooting, shot and killed one person, I believe an instructor. Two others were injured before that person was subdued by ROTC members there at old dominion and was killed. That was incident one. The other, of course, we'll describe for you was the one, of course, robes that was at the synagogue attack. And this one is the one that has a lot of questions still attached it.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So the attacker actually drove through and into the synagogue where many school children were in classrooms. But he actually was able to get his vehicle into the hallway and drive into the building when incredibly brave security officials came at him. There was a shootout, so to speak, and there were, now, we know, fireworks in that vehicle, incendiary devices, and eventually that vehicle caught on fire, but he injured the security guard who. He actually struck him. He was knocked unconscious. He's going to be okay. But if it weren't for the brave actions of those security guards and truly active shooter scenarios and all of these training programs that they go through came all to fruition yesterday where they were able to put into action what they learned in training and were able to subdue and stop this man. He had a rifle. He intended harm.

[TJ Holmes]

So that was the one. You might have seen some of those images, a lot of smoke coming out of that building. They were trying to figure out exactly what was in that car. So this possibly appeared to be a planned, much long, larger attack and possibly explosives in that vehicle. They do. They haven't confirmed yet exactly how this person died, who was the suspect that they do have a name for, because quite frankly, he was burnt up in there, too. I can't put it a better way than that. But let's go back to Old Dominion. Let's start with both of these suspects who they have publicly named. Let's start with the one at Old Dominion who has a very detailed and documented history in this country over the past decade. The name is Muhammad Baylor Jalal. Now, he is 36 years old in robes. We hear this. This is someone who spe spent time with the US Military.

[Amy Robach]

This is so deeply concerning. Wait until you hear these details. Yes, he served in the Virginia National Guard from 2009 to 2015 for six years. He was a combat engineer. He was honorably discharged. But after he was honorably discharged in 2016, he was arrested on a terrorism charge.

[TJ Holmes]

I believe that was just a year later.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, one year later. He pleaded guilty because he was absolutely trying to kill US Citizens. He made it very clear in his communications with what ended up being an undercover agent who was supposed to be securing weapons for him, and that's how he was arrested. But he was. He pleaded guilty. He was sentenced to 11 years, but he only served seven or eight of them and he was released in 2024.

[TJ Holmes]

So he didn't get far in his planning, his plotting. Yes, he was dealing mostly with undercover FBI agents and employees thinking he was trying to do he was setting up something much larger. But he tried to purchase, they say, an AK47 from someone that didn't work. The person didn't want to sell it to him. So he went to a gun store, then purchased an AR15 style assault rifle. And then he was picked up and arrested the next day. Now things get interesting after he goes through his process and he pleads guilty. He does go to a sentencing hearing. And there are pretty. We've seen these. There are long detailed reports from the prosecutors and from the defense about this person. And they say, hey, you should get this much time because he's a bad dude. And the other side says, no, he shouldn't get that much time because he's really a sweet boy. So that's what this memo was. But we have his own words from his sentencing hearing and some of the things robes that he said to the judge at the time, you go, holy hell. He was just full of it. So you're telling me he was an Amer? He was. He was American enough to join the military, got radicalized in some way to want to attack the military, then came back and said, oh, I'm sorry for that. I really do love my country. And now he's back on the other side. If what he did at Old Dominion was true, Ro this reading through his own words from his sentencing is, are. It's wild.

[Amy Robach]

You know, I think just because we have been so focused this past year, even covering court cases, criminal cases, and you hear defendants plead for mercy, you hear defendants plead their innocence, and you want to believe them right as humans to humans. You want to believe people are telling you the truth. And so to hear his own words and then to recognize what police say he now did, because he wanted, according to his initial charges, to murder U. S. Military personnel. And that is exactly what he did yesterday.

[TJ Holmes]

His comments didn't age well.

[Amy Robach]

This is so chilling now that we know that, yes, he has murdered. He, he, he finished his goal. He, he finished what he set out to do, which was to kill US Military personnel. But here is what he said at sentencing. I want to say I've made a lot of mistakes in my life, but this mistake of giving any support to the violent and extreme organization ISIS has been the most devastating one I have ever decided to make in my life. I definitely renounce and denounce every action that they have taken and anything that they have done. I do not want to be associated. And I am deeply, deeply, deeply sorry to this court. I'm sorry to the American military. I'm sorry to the people of the United States. I'm very, very sorry for what I have done. I did not intend to cause harm to anyone.

[TJ Holmes]

Now, this is a guy who, at this time, this was 10. Let me go back here. Do the math right. 10 years ago. Ish. Yes, that he was doing this, but this was at a time when he was saying whatever he needed to say to try to limit his prison sentence. Now, you can read these words on paper. Didn't see him in court at the time. Was he sincere based on what happened yesterday, no. Was he sincere at the time? I do not know.

[Amy Robach]

This, this is chilling. This is chilling to hear him go on and say. I want to say every time I see any atrocities that ISIS commits, I am disgusted by it, because I know this is not what I want to be a part of. And most of all, I want to say my proudest moments of my life was serving and being a member of the army national guard as a combat engineer with the best unit here in Virginia. And the men that I served with, they have shown their true. Their character, and I am deeply, deeply, deeply ashamed. And I am sorry to the men and women of this country that serve and protect us.

[TJ Holmes]

He goes on to kind of make, I hate to call an excuse, but gives logic or reasoning for why he was where he was and he Said I was going through deep emotional pain and it left me lost and purposeless. And I just want you to know that that could possibly be true. It's just robes. It's. We talk about, I don't know, somebody didn't slip through the cracks. He was actually arrested and went to prison and he stayed here. What do you do in a situation like this where, I mean, he. This is pretty recently he got out, this was 2024. So, I mean, Rosie was just waiting. I don't know what you do with something like this, but it seems kind of incredible that he told us what he was going to do and waited us out.

[Amy Robach]

That's exactly what he did. He faked us out and then waited us out. So he, he disavowed any allegiance to isis, that he was disgusted that he even had those thoughts. Then he sat there for what, eight years in prison. And when he got out pretty quickly, I mean, within less than two years, he's now charged with murder or. No, he's not charged with murder. You. Excuse me? He is dead. He is dead.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, they're investigating this as a possible act of terror. Of course, in something like this they will always look to see if he was in communication with anybody else and who else he might have been talked to. Does he have friends, I hate to use that word, a part of a cell of some kind. But they are continuing to look into this. They are also, of course, right now looking into the person responsible for the attack at the synagogue. But stay with us. Some new details are emerging and. And one local official is making a direct connection between what happened at the synagogue and the war with Iran. Stay here.

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[TJ Holmes]

Continuing here on Amy and TJ on this Friday, March 13, two acts of terror, one being investigated as such, the other right now they're calling an act of targeted violence at the synagogue Ropes in Michigan, Kia West Bloomfield. I have that right. Just outside of Detroit. We're starting to get not as much of a picture emerging, but we're starting to get details about the person involved in that attack as well. And robes. It's very limited, at least right now how much is known and even how much can be done as a part of the investigation because they took so long to clear that scene yesterday.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, there was a lot of concern about any other potential explosions with the vehicle that Ayman Mohammed Ghazali was driving. And in fact, his charred remains, everything was so burnt that it's been difficult even forensically to take a look at that scene and figure out how this all happened. Here's what we know about the suspect I'm in Muhammad Ghazali. He was born in Lebanon and he came here into the United states in a 90 day fiance fashion. He had a fiance visa in 2011. He did marry that woman and officially became a citizen in 2016 when President Trump was president. Correct?

[TJ Holmes]

2016. I don't know why. Yes, Trump was just elected in 2016, took office in 2017, but I saw some places wanted to point out when he first entered it was when Obama was president. It's just amazing how we did like, I hate.

[Amy Robach]

You want to like, point the finger at the person who was president when someone entered the country. As if, as if.

[TJ Holmes]

It's the thing I hate about. They do with judges now, every time a judge makes a decision, he was appointed by democratic. It doesn't. Yeah, so they. Some places pointed that out, but yes, that was. But this was a U. S. Citizen, a naturalized U. S. Citizen who had been a part of some of the reports that are coming out, who had been a part of the community up there, the Lebanese community, which is big

[Amy Robach]

community there, big community in Dearborn Heights, and the mayor of Dearborn Heights. Actually, this is according to the Detroit News. Correct. And this is, this is a frightening, frightening bit of information that could lend some insight into what happened yesterday.

[TJ Holmes]

But it's terrifying to think something directly happening at war set someone off here. And according to this mayor, look, the mayor has reported this directly to the Detroit News there, that in fact Ghazali's family was killed during this war in Lebanon during airstrikes, as the Detroit News put it. The mayor says, quote, earlier this month he lost several members of his own family, including his niece and nephew, in an Israeli attack on their home in Lebanon. Now, robes, that is going to have to certainly be confirmed and looked into. But just that is the terrifying thing. This war is underway and it's setting some people off that are already in your neighborhood.

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[Amy Robach]

And think about that. So we have lost seven service members overseas in Iran. But if you look at what authorities are potentially linking deaths that authorities are linking to this war in Iran, you've got the situation that happened in Austin that you pointed out where you had that suspect wearing property of Allah and an Iranian flag. Now you have this very specific connection to the Israeli attack on Lebanon, Hezbollah. But he lost members of his own family. And now. And you now have potentially this, this isis. I don't even know what to say if he's connected to ISIS or if he's just someone who believes in the operations and message of ISIS directly linked now to this, this shooting in Virginia. This is frightening, frightening stuff because we don't know how many other people might be harboring these feelings, might be harboring these resentments, might be personally impacted and have family members who have been victims of this war. We just don't know. And that's the scary part well people,

[TJ Holmes]

as always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app where you see our show page. There's a little button there that says follow click that you can subscribe and always get our updates coming directly to you. And there just have been so many breaking news updates as of late. We'll stay on top of it all. We always appreciate you spending some time here with us. For my dear Amy Robach, I am TJ Holmes. We will talk to you soon.

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