Nicole Brown Simpson’s Ex Speaks: Keith Zlomsowitch on What He Saw That No One Else Knew

Summary

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Episode: Nicole Brown Simpson’s Ex Speaks: Keith Zlomsowitch on What He Saw That No One Else Knew

Date: February 8, 2026
Host: Amy Robach
Guest: Keith Zlomsowitch

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Episode Overview

This gripping episode features a candid, emotional conversation between Amy Robach and Keith Zlomsowitch, Nicole Brown Simpson’s former boyfriend. Keith opens up for the first time about his experiences during and after the murders, his encounters with O.J. Simpson, and the aspects of the story that never became public. Keith also reflects on the ways popular media—including “The People vs. O.J. Simpson”—got it right or wrong, and shares why he eventually wrote his book, “Stalked: It Could Have Been Me.” The discussion ranges from deeply personal anecdotes to critical analysis of the infamous trial and its wider social impact.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Day After Nicole’s Funeral and the Chilling Bronco Chase

• Keith’s Emotional State Post-Funeral:

  • Keith describes intense turmoil the day after Nicole’s funeral, and his decision to go to the police with information—with the Browns' blessing (04:13).
  • Quote:
    “I pulled her mother and one of the sisters into a room at the house and said, I need to go to the police. I need to tell them what I know. And they gave me their blessing.” (04:17, Keith)

• The Frantic Ejection from Bundy Condo:

  • As Keith arrived to help clear Nicole’s possessions from the crime scene, Denise Brown and Ron Hardy urgently screamed for him to leave—moments after O.J. Simpson had phoned saying, “I’m on my way over there to finish what I started.”

  • He retreated, fearing what O.J. intended amid the panic and confusion (05:21–06:55).

  • Quote:
    “Ron finally came over to the house and was just shaking his head, and he's like, man...the phone rings, and it's O.J. on the phone. And he said, I'm on my way over there to finish what I started.” (06:34, Keith)

• Witnessing the Bronco Chase Nearby:

  • Keith was at a house near Bundy, glued to the TV as the famous Bronco chase unfolded practically in front of him, describing the surreal experience as “head spinning” (07:46–07:59).

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Reflections on Law Enforcement and the Trial

• Preferential Treatment of O.J.:

  • Keith and Amy discuss the leniency and star-struck handling Simpson received: “He should have been arrested like anybody else who was wanted for double murder.” (09:01, Keith)
  • Amy expresses frustration at O.J. being allowed to "go home and call his mommy" (08:02, Amy).

• Accuracy of ‘The People vs. O.J. Simpson’:

  • Keith thinks the series was largely accurate, except for details like the timing of grand jury testimony (08:38–09:00).

• Tactics and Missed Opportunities:

  • Denise Brown testified first instead of Keith—prosecutors believed starting and ending the case on domestic violence were crucial, but shifting focus to racial elements changed everything (10:07–11:21).
  • Defense later subpoenaed Keith, planning to use a “jealousy” narrative to undermine the prosecution, but never actually put him on the stand (12:24–13:45).

• Quote:
  “Their theory was, well, O.J. watched you having sex with his wife through the window and didn't kill you. How could he be this jealous, murderous guy?... The defense was doing it basically as a ploy.” (12:37–13:22, Keith)

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The Impact of Race and Media

• Race Over Evidence:

  • Both agree that the trial, in the public and jury’s mind, became about race rather than justice or domestic violence (14:09–14:55).

  • Quote:
    “It got torn into a racial battle. I mean, it became not about evidence, not about right or wrong or domestic violence. It became simply about race.” (13:45, Keith)

• Media Frenzy and Monetizing Trauma:

  • Keith refused lucrative offers to “sell his story,” recounting overwhelming media attention—he was “offered a million dollars in cash on two occasions” (09:53–10:07).

• The Trial as Spectacle:

  • The introduction of cameras in the courtroom, Keith and Amy agree, turned key participants into performers and shaped the course of events (21:29–21:56).

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Personal Fallout and the Aftermath

• Living with Uncertainty and Fear:

  • Keith describes periods of unease after the acquittal:
    “I didn’t live my life...but I’d be lying if I didn’t say it crossed my mind a lot of times.” (24:29, Keith)

• Why the Book, and Why Now:

  • Only after O.J.’s death, and seeing the renewed public interest, did Keith feel safe publishing his account and telling his side (25:10–25:25).

• On Healing and Helping Others:

  • Writing the book was healing, giving him “the last word.” Most importantly, people (especially women in abusive relationships) have told him his story gave them “the strength to get out,” sometimes saving lives (34:26–34:38).

  • Quote:
    “If somebody can read this book and wake up tomorrow and say to themselves, I recognize this behavior, I don’t think it’s ever going to change. Look what happened to her. That could happen to me and have the strength to walk out...that’s possibly [saved] their life.” (34:26, Keith)

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The Lost Narrative of Nicole Brown Simpson

• Nicole’s Humanity and Sacrifice:

  • Keith expresses deep frustration that both the series and the public narrative so often minimize Nicole herself.

  • Quote:
    “She was a living, breathing, wonderful human being and mother first and foremost. Her whole life revolved around Sydney and Justin. Everything she did was for their best interest and ultimately cost her her life.” (37:24, Keith)

• Missed Focus in Retellings:

  • Amy laments that “Nicole gets lost in the whole thing, pushed aside” in most media portrayals (15:53–16:33).
  • Keith asserts, “I wanted to focus on the story that Nick and I built together...the emotions that we shared together that, you know, they weren't around for a lot of that” (33:05, Keith).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On O.J.’s Relationship to Keith Post-Trial:
  “He always had me still on his mind because he hated me. I was the guy who stood up to him…She told me that day, she said, Keith, no one, no one talks to him that way.” (23:14, Keith)

• On Never Finding Attachment After Nicole:
  “I never got married. I never had children...I dated over the years, obviously, but I just never could get that attachment that I feel like I had with her.” (38:42, Keith)

• On Faye Resnick’s Book:
  “I wasn’t a fan of it...I would have rather Faye spoke some of that on the witness stand and by writing that book eliminated her instantly from being a witness.” (25:29, Keith)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• The Bronco Chase, Funeral, “Finish What I Started” Phone Call: 04:13–07:00
• Media Frenzy and Decision Not to Sell Story: 09:53–10:07
• Trial Tactics, Subpoenas, and Jealousy Theory: 10:17–13:45
• Race, Evidence, and the Changing Narrative: 13:45–15:17
• Nicole’s Story Getting Lost in the Spotlight: 15:53–17:11
• Personal Healing, Book Writing, Letters from DV Survivors: 33:46–35:12
• On Nicole’s Character and Sacrifice: 37:24–38:05
• Keith Never Marrying or Having Children After Nicole: 38:40–38:42

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Tone and Language

The conversation is candid, emotional, and reflective, marked by painful honesty and flashes of outrage or sorrow. Keith is raw and forthcoming, often referencing specific details and personal emotions. Amy’s tone is supportive, empathetic, and often incredulous at the injustices described.

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Closing Note

Keith’s story is not just one of proximity to an infamous tragedy, but of love, loss, bewilderment at a system that failed Nicole, and a mission to prevent similar suffering for others. He encourages listeners to read his memoir, “Stalked: It Could Have Been Me,” available on Amazon or at ojstalktome.com.

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End of Summary

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[Amy Robach]

Hey everyone. Welcome back to Killer Thriller. We are picking up my conversation with Keith Zalomsewicz, Nicole Brown Simpson's former boyfriend, who pulls back the curtain on what O.J. simpson was really like behind closed doors. From chilling personal encounters to the moments that never made it on screen, Keith breaks down what the People vs. O.J. simpson American Crime Story nailed and what it completely missed. You know, all of this. I should also mention our podcast studio in Brentwood is directly between Rockingham and Bundy and Gretna Green is like, right, you know, super close by also. So it's one of these things where you, you know, every time I go there, I feel it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bronco Chase. Were you watching that in the same way that we all were as spectators of this spectacle? Like, I could not believe it. I was visiting Los Angeles. I lived in New York City. I was in LA working with my agency for a couple of weeks and I was like, what the hell is going on here? Like, how? Like, what is wrong with Los Angeles? Why are they allowing this to happen? And it also interrupted the Knicks game, the, the championship game, which I was upset about.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

My New York friends weren't happy about that.

[Amy Robach]

No, I was not happy.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Chase story is a whole nother thing that I never talked about until I wrote this book. But I'm going to give you the, the short story of it and hopefully the readers will delve into it more. But if you remember, the Bronco Chase and his ultimate arrest was the day after the funeral. Yes. So I've got all these emotions going on the day of the funeral. And I started to tell you. That's when I pulled her mother and one of the sisters into a room at the house and said, I need to go to the police. I need to tell them what I know. And they gave me their blessing. And I said, I need to know two things. Do you think he did it? Yeah. And they said, yes. And do I have your blessing? And they said yes. I went forward with my information. But moving forward to the Bronco Chase, the next day we had, we had talked about at the Brown's house that day that the next day we were going to Meet at the Bundy condo where the murders took place. And we were going to start packaging up Nicole's private stuff, inventorying it, getting it out. You know, the place was surrounded by media.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, God, it was. It was crazy.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

So I was staying at my friend Ron Hardy's house, which was two blocks away from Bundy, right near Nicole. And Ron and Nick were really close friends. I met Ron through Nick. So I had flown out. We were both Paul Beer. So I was staying at Ron's house. Well, I slept a little later than Ron did that morning because I had been four days with no sleep since I found out murders. So I slept an hour or two later. So I was a little late getting over to the Bundy condo. Ron was already there with the family, and they were inside. So as I was walking up, I came around the alley. The police knew who I was, so they let me through. So came up the alleyway to go in the back entrance of the house to help them. And all of a sudden, I hear screaming out of the top window. And I look up and it's Denise, Nick's older sister. And she's screaming, keith, Keith, get out of here. Just go. Just go. Just leave. Just leave. And I'm like, flabbergasted. And Ron sticks his head out the window and screams the same thing at me, basically. So I didn't ask any questions. I just turned and I ran down the alleyway and went back to Ron's house. So remember, no cell phones. So I'm sitting there on pins and needles for about an hour, not knowing what's going on, what could have caused that. And Ron finally came over to the house and was just shaking his head, and he's like, man, he's like. Just as you were walking up, the phone rings, and it's OJ on the phone. And he said, I'm on my way over there to finish what I started.

[Amy Robach]

Holy what?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And nobody knows this. I, like I said, I write about in the book, nobody knows at that point if he means, oh, my God, he's coming to kill me, right? Just stood next to me at the funeral, right? When he hugged and kissed, every paw bearer, wouldn't make eye contact with me. You know, he's still thinking about me. So we didn't know if that meant he was coming over to kill me, coming over to kill them, coming over to kill himself in the heat of the moment, in real time. Nobody knew what that meant. But it was just as I was walking up to the condo, so. Oh, my God, now We're back at Ron's house and we're looking at each other going, what the hell is going on? We turn on the TV and there's Gil Garcetti. OJ Is now a wanted man. He's a fugitive from justice. He's on the run. We're actively seeking him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we're glued to the tv, and within an hour, or whatever it was, someone spots him. And then the whole slow chase begins.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

So we're at Bundy. Right. Close enough to Rockingham.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Nicole's house. Watching the whole thing take place on TV as it basically goes right by us on the 405. Oh, my God. Rockingham.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, my God.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Just head spinning.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, I. I don't think we really, as, you know, people just watching it like spectators didn't really understand just how backwards all of this is. The fact that he was allowed to, quote, turn himself. There were so many things that he was just given carte blanche because he was so famous and such a celebrity, and so many things happened like he. He got to go home and call his mommy.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

That's all well documented in the series. I mean, they did a good job of.

[Amy Robach]

Do you think that's accurate, as I was going to ask those things?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I think that's pretty accurate from my understanding.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

The one thing I think they got wrong is there was no grand jury testimony. They didn't go in and pull Marcia out of a grand jury testimony when O.J. was on the run. Grand jury was two days later because I was in the grand jury, got it. Already been arrested for that. So they may have gotten a few of the details, but they, they documented their screw up pretty good.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

We're aware that they should have never let that happen. He should have been arrested like anybody else who was wanted for double murder.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Instead of being allowed to turn himself in.

[Amy Robach]

Right, right.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

It was a. I'm sure Gilgarzetti and the whole DA's office regretted making that choice.

[Amy Robach]

I think they probably have a few regrets, yes. Did you. What did you think about Cuba Gooding Jr. His performance as OJ?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I think it was good. I think all the acting in the series was pretty good. I watched it more for content.

[Amy Robach]

Sure, sure.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Than anything else.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

So I kind of focused on some of the details a little more. It was interesting to. To realize, you know, because ultimately I never testified in the main trial.

[Amy Robach]

That's what I was going to ask. So they didn't ask you to testify?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Oh, yeah, they asked me to testify. I testified for the grand jury, I was put under subpoena. They told me I was going to be the first witness. Told me to go hide, don't sell your story. Which I never had any information. I got offered a million dollars in cash on two occasions.

[Amy Robach]

Another part that this was sort of the start of all of that where people that getting paid to tell their stories and like A Current Affair and all these things where people were monetizing.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Barbara Walters was calling me, Connie chung was calling, 60 Minutes was calling me. The biggest of the biggest and the. The usual suspects, the Inquirer and all that kind of stuff. It was interesting to see how they focused were focusing on my testimony because it was all about domestic violence until the racial card got played. And as soon as everything flips on that became more focused about the racial animus in Los Angeles and and the cops reputation because I lived there, I lived through the LA riots is when Nicole and I were together. You know, I actually nights in the house slept in the guest room. The only nights I slept over there so I could protect her in case something happened. But if you watch the series you see how the main focus of evidence was going to be domestic violence and stalking and then they had to switch on a dime. So earlier is had me under subpoena to testify in the main trial. Told me I was going to be the first witness. Sent me home to Florida where I was hiding out, avoiding the media. Flew me out to be the first witness in the trial. Decided last minute that they were going to put Denise Brown on first because she had domestic violence evidence as well. So they put Denise on the witness stand. She ran long several days on the witness stand and they got a lot of information out of her. And the way they explained it to me was we got a lot out of Denise. Not as much as, you know, more than we were thinking we were going to get. So we're going to save you Keith, until the end. We're going to with domestic violence and we're going to close with domestic violence being the strong point of their trial, the emotional point, what they thought the jury would attach to. You know, they knew it was going to be a long DNA process where it was going to be boring and tedious for the jury. So they thought open with a bang, close with a bang. So they explained it to me that way. So they said go home, stand or subpoena, don't talk to anybody, we're going to bring you back to close it out. Well we all kind of know what happened with Furman and everything else that transpired during that. And then the caveat is the defense called me as a witness.

[Amy Robach]

You're kidding.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Subpoenaed me, took me into court in Florida, where I was sort of hiding out. Forced me to go into court under subpoena to bring me out as a defense witness.

[Amy Robach]

In what capacity? What did they think you were going to say?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I'm going to explain that to you because it's crazy. I didn't. You know, I knew they were never really going to put me on. And I didn't fight the subpoena because in my mind, I was like, go ahead, put me on, because that's going to allow the prosecution to ask me a lot more stuff. Yeah, they could have on direct testimony. So they sort of put out tidbits to the newspaper about their theory of why they were going to call me as a witness. And this is what it was. Their theory was, well, O.J. watched you having sex with his wife through the window and didn't kill you. How could he be this jealous, murderous guy? And O.J. reached out and shook your hand after watching that and didn't kill you. How could he be this horrible guy?

[Amy Robach]

Oh, my God.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

He didn't have the opportunity at that point. And I don't think things had gotten as drastic in his mind at that point would be my answer. But the defense was doing it basically as a ploy in the public. They wanted to pick up on it and say, we're not afraid of this guy. Well, when it got to the end of the trial, I think the prosecution sort of threw up their hands.

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[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And the series does a very good documentation of this. It got torn into a racial battle. I mean, it became not about evidence, not about right or wrong or domestic violence. It became simply about race. Right. Prosecution realized that point. Nothing I could day.

[Amy Robach]

And they were going to change.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And did you notice how they focused on the jury and what each one was thinking?

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Yes.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Then they took each one by name. Well, this is what we have to do with this one, and this is what we need, this one. I found that interesting because I think what they were trying to say in a roundabout way is my testimony might have hurt them at the end because of the race.

[Amy Robach]

Right. I mean, this is the part that is so, again, heartbreaking and just shocking to just try to metabolize that, because it was kind of the perfect storm. They took advantage of a moment in Los Angeles that was very real and very Rodney King being beaten to death and the riots, all of it. That was very real. And people were enraged and rightfully so. But this had nothing to do with race.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Were you in Los Angeles at the time of the riots or were you still.

[Amy Robach]

No, I was in New York. I was in New York City.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Let me tell you. It was scary.

[Amy Robach]

It was scary in New York. We, I was working in a bar and they shut like that open, you know, we would open at 4 or 3 and they shut down everything because people were running in the streets and like there was a mini, There were many riots going on in New York, sort of in.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Yeah, I didn't realize that. But LA was scary and you knew it and you knew the police were wrong and you knew that they had made other, other mistakes in the past. And when you watch the series that we're talking about, People vs. O.J. simpson, they do a good job of documenting how Furman had those issues and they were well known in the lapd. Chris, Chris tried to keep him from going on the witness stand. You see that whole battle between him and Marcia.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

If they had not put him on, maybe there's a different outcome. But it opened the door for the defense to play that card with all.

[Amy Robach]

Their might and to play those tapes and the amount of times him using the N word, all that, you just, you can't unhear it, you can't put it the toothpaste back in the tube. Like it's just too bad. I, but again this, this brings us back to how again Nicole gets lost in the whole thing, pushed aside. I mean, I don't even think they show in the series. I don't even think they, they don't show her family very much her sister the stand, but they don't even really talk about her. And it's, it's just, it's so disturbing.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

It is. And I, I, I understand a little bit on that series because it was focusing on the trial and OG Right, right. I mean, give, give her the credit that she deserves and, and show what kind of human being she was. And like I said, Ron and Ron Goldman as well, they just do that, so. And I don't think they do in any of the documentaries really. I mean, the sisters have done some great things to bring attention to Nicole's life and her memory. So I'm happy for that.

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[Amy Robach]

So did you. This is what I was going to ask. Did you go to the courtroom at all? Were you in. In the courtroom during the trial?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Oh, that's another thing I read about in the book. I wasn't allowed to. I wasn't allowed to watch it on tv.

[Amy Robach]

You're kidding.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I was under.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, because you were supposed to. Oh, yes.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I was a witness, so I did. I mean, I'm sure some witnesses don't abide by that, but I was doing everything by the book. I didn't sell my story. I didn't watch the trial. I wanted to be a number one. I didn't want to open myself up for any scrutiny or criticism. I wanted to put that guy away with every ounce.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I have in my soul. So I did the right thing. So it took me years after the trial to. To educate myself to. Wow. Right. Find out, you know, I write about in the book. It would take you six months, 12 hours a day, seven days a week to watch the trial. If you just sat down to watch. And then there's a backstory for every witness, every piece of evidence, every witness that ended up not getting called. There's a backstory to everything. There's a whole. It took years to learn about it.

[Amy Robach]

I bet it was really. It was. I think it was the first time, or one of. The first time. I think it was the first time that they allowed cameras in the courtroom, which just turns everything upside down. Right. To a degree where you can't. When a camera is on you, it's. It just. It changes everything for everyone. Yes. It's performative. Right, Right.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And people act differently than they would behind closed doors.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

We all. Human nature. You can't blame people for that. It's how they are.

[Amy Robach]

Of course. Did you. How did you feel when you heard the verdict?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Oh, well.

[Amy Robach]

Did you watch that live?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I did. I. I actually did watch that live, and I think I had kind of prepared myself, knowing the makeup of the jury and how it had turned into a racial component and some of the things that Johnnie Cochran was pushing. And I could see it. It. I. I could see it. I Would. I was optimistic that they would rise above that and that they would take the evidence at face value and do the right thing, because we all know the true verdict. But I was concerned, I would say, if I was a betting man, sitting there that day watching the verdict, it was probably 50, 50 in my mind, but I was hopeful and then obviously extremely disappointed. I was angry, I was bitter. All the emotions you go through, but it took me years to get over that, you know, and, yeah, I can imagine processing some of it.

[Amy Robach]

Sure, sure.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I waited 32 years to write the book.

[Amy Robach]

I was going to say, I mean, that certainly explains safety, you know. Yeah. So how did you feel when OJ Died? When you heard or read that OJ Died or how did you find out?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Well, all through the years after he had been exonerated, he still brought me up. Up numerous times. He wrote about me in that stupid book that he wrote, if I did by name. So he always had me still on his mind because he hated me. I mean, I was the guy who stood up to him. And Nick told me that that day at Gretna Green when he burst in on us and I wouldn't leave them alone. She told me that day, she said, keith, no one, no one talks to him that way. And I said, what's he gonna do, kill me? I mean, I had. Those words came out of my mouth to Nick that day. Cavalier about it after the fact. What an idiot I was.

[Amy Robach]

Well, so you. Were you afraid for the years post then?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Post acquittal? I wouldn't say afraid. I lived my life in public. I had bars and restaurants. I didn't hide. I didn't try to keep a low profile. I wasn't worried about him, but it was always in the back of my mind. I mean, you're a New York girl, you know, walking home from a bar at 4 o' clock in the morning down a dark avenue. Yeah, you're, you know, or side street. There's, there's. There's little, you know, places to hide.

[Amy Robach]

Places for people to hide. Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I'd be lying if I didn't say across my mind a lot of times, but I didn't live my life. I didn't let it define how I lived my life. But I will tell you this. When he died, I was living in the Bahamas. I didn't think anybody knew where I was at, to be honest with you. I was doing a project in a pretty isolated area of the Bahamas, and my phone blew up, my emails blew up, and I. And that's when I started to thinking about the book. I thought to myself, well, there's still an interest. Maybe someone needs to tell. Maybe I need to tell the story so people will understand what happened. And now I kind of feel safe because some of us write in the book isn't too flattering to Mr. Simpson.

[Amy Robach]

Right. Yeah.

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[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Who knows what he would have done if this book would have come out when he was alive. Oh, if he would have come after me or had someone come after me. Right. Those things would have gone through my mind. So I waited.

[Amy Robach]

What did you think about Faye Resnick and her book? Did you know Faye at all?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I didn't know Faye. I wasn't a fan of it when it came out. I kind of understand her motivation, but I would have rather Faye spoke some of that on the witness stand and by writing that book eliminated her instantly from being a witness. Oh, I would have prefer if Faye wanted to write a book. She waited and did it after she testified. But I know Faye in her heart had Nicole's best interest in mind. She may not have portrayed.

[Amy Robach]

You think so?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I know that Faye and Nick were close. You know, they used to come see me at the Monkey Bar quite a bit. And in Aspen, Colorado, I saw Faye and Nick there with Cato. But just to answer in a short form, I wish she had waited to write the book until after she had testified.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. I mean, so do I. Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

But you know, a lot of people did a lot of things.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

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[Amy Robach]

What did you think about when O.J. was indicted after the Las Vegas robbery? Because I, you know, those of us who didn't who are just looking at us from the outside. I was just constantly waiting for him to fall. I was constantly waiting for him not to do. I didn't want him to hurt more women, which I'm sure he did. But I. I, like was constantly Waiting for that thing he was going to do that was going to screw him, you know, finally.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

That's what sociopaths do, and they can't control themselves. You knew he had the road ra rage incidents in Miami, the stealing of DirecTV, the things that a double murderer who's acquitted, you think the last thing they would do would bring attention to themselves. But that's the mindset of a sociopath and a narcissist. You know, that's O.J. simpson. So he couldn't control himself. So to answer your question, when the whole Las Vegas situation came about, I was thrilled, you know, obviously glad no one got hurt. But I watched that trial with great anticipation, hoping that some sort of form of justice would come about. And it did, in a. In a minor way. The fact that he served several years behind bars made me feel good. I wish it was longer. It wasn't, but I got a lot of satisfaction out of it.

[Amy Robach]

Right. Has her family read your book? Nicole's family?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Yeah, I told them about it. So, yeah, they're. They're. They're fine.

[Amy Robach]

They haven't. Have they commented on it at all, or.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Denise is fine. Denise is good. Ron Hardy's good. Tanya. Tanya sort of took a different route. She. She thought I should have got her blessing first. God bless Tanya. I'm not going to say anything negative, but she just sort of took the approach that she wanted me to tell her about it before I did it. And what I did was I. I told no one. And I did that for a reason, because I didn't want anybody talking me out of it. It.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And I wanted it to be raw and emotional from my heart, why I wrote the book. I turned down book deals over the years. Numerous. I didn't want a writer to polish it up and make it professional. It's the last thing I wanted someone to feel like they were living this unique experience with me. So I did it on my own. It was a. A process that I had to internalize. I'm not a writer.

[Amy Robach]

So you didn't have a ghostwriter. You wrote it yourself?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Did it on my own. I had a couple of friends who have written things in the past, who helped me with organizational stuff and. And how to. How to, you know, frame the book and that kind of stuff and then ultimately get it published through Amazon. But it's from me. It's from my heart, and it's my stories. And like I said, it's. It's almost like a walking journal. So my fear was, yeah. And I've Always been close with the sisters over the years, with the whole family over the years. I testified in the custody trial. I went out to testify in the custody trial. I gave deposition in the. In the civil trial as well. The custody trial, at the behest of the Brown family, called me directly and said, would you please come testify? You know, this is our trial now. It's not the state or anybody putting it on. I said, I'll be there tomorrow. So we always had a good relationship, but I just thought to myself, if I tell them, they might try to talk me out of it. And. And I really wanted my heart to stay in it.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

And it's. And to be perfectly honest with you, it's Nick and my story. It was our shared experience. I don't really bring up the family other than direct, you know, incidents that we talked about together for. I wanted to focus on the story that Nick and I built together, the things right together and the emotions that we shared together that, you know, they weren't around for a lot of that.

[Amy Robach]

Sure. I mean, it's your. It's your story. You certainly have the right to tell it. And I'm sure. Did you find it healing for you, the process and painful and healing?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

You know, it opened. It opened a few wounds. It made me think about some deep thoughts that I hadn't thought about in a while, but it kind of gave me the last word. You know, that's the kind of healing part. It let me. And it let me tell other people some things I've wanted to get off my chest and hopefully find that. And the domestic violence side of it that we've talked about several times during this. I. Over the years, more and more since the advent of social media, I've been contacted by women who have been in abusive relationships who somehow, somehow found my story inspirational.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

That I was there for Nick, that I helped Nick, that protected her. And women have reached out to me in the past, telling me I've given them the strength to get out of abusive relationships. Oh, that's possibly save their life.

[Amy Robach]

And I'm really good to hear.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Very, very good friends with several of them to this day. So if somebody can read this book and wake up tomorrow and say to themselves, I recognize this behavior, I don't think it's ever going to change. Look what happened to her. That could happen to me and have the strength to walk out and also know that there's a lot more resources now. Denise. Yes, Denise is in the process right now of writing a book focusing on domestic Violence. She talks about Nick, obviously, but she's focusing on domestic violence.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Help let women know. There's outlets now. There's people. Nick's murder brought a lot of that to the forefront and hopefully will help more women get out of that situation.

[Amy Robach]

I think that that is a terrific, terrific goal and great to hear because it is still such a taboo thing for the people going through it to share. It's very, very complicated, and I think people still really don't understand how hard that is for women to extricate themselves and how insidious that abusive behavior can be. And it's just so important that people talk about it.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Thank you for bringing that up because it's a, it's a big part of why I wrote the book.

[Amy Robach]

Was there anything in the, my last question about the series. Was there anything in the series that felt like, that brought up things for you where you felt like, oh, I can't watch this now, I, I, it's too much. Was there anything that was sort of hit too close to home or.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

No, because they really didn't focus. The things that really are, are truly emotional for me are obviously the autopsy, you know, what that savage did to those two people. So I, I steer clear of all that over the years. I've never looked at those photos. I never will. There's no desire. I will never remember her that way. I don't have any desire. So when they showed some of those quick glimpses of the crime scene, even though they were recreated, I sort of turned a little bit because I, I, I don't want to associate Nick or Ron with that. So that was really the part. But all the other stuff I've lived, I've been through, so I was familiar with, you know, most of it I don't like, I don't like them focusing on, you know, him and his accomplishments as much, but I understand that's part of the story, you know.

[Amy Robach]

Right, right.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

That sells the, the program. Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

Well, is there anything, last things you'd want to say about, you think there's anything that people misunderstood about Nicole or anything that you'd like to sort of say in your last moment here?

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I would just like everybody to understand that she was a living, breathing, wonderful human being and mother first and foremost. Her whole life revolved around Sydney and Justin. Everything she did was for their best interest and ultimately cost her her life. Because that reconciliation was for the benefit of Sydney and Justin. It wasn't for Nick, it wasn't right for her and OJ it was for the father of those children to be back in the family unit. And that's what cost her her life. Because I. I truly believe if she had never tried the reconciliation, that things would have drifted because they had already been apart for a year and a half.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

But because they got back together and he got that emotional attachment again when he realized at the very end that he couldn't control her anymore is when he snapped. So what I want people to understand is she was. She was a wonderful, wonderful person, and I miss her dearly. And Ron as well. You know, I feel horrible the situation Ron was in, and I like people to, you know, understand that that's. That's. She's in my heart. She always will be. I never got married. I never had children that I was gonna ask.

[Amy Robach]

Right. You never got married? No.

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[Keith Zalomsewicz]

You know, I dated over the years, obviously, but I just never could get that attachment that I feel like I had with her, so.

[Amy Robach]

Well, I really. I'm honored to speak with you today, and I. I really appreciate how authentic and. And raw and forthcoming you have been with your heart and your experiences. And I hope that this process of talking about the book and getting it out there, that it really helps you to heal and kind of move forward. And I really appreciate that you are looking to help people that are going. Have. Could potentially be in these situations now to get out.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

So the way to get the book, if you're interested, is on Amazon. I publish through Amazon, so the book is called Stalked. It could have been me. So you can type in the title or the title in my name. There are numerous books on Amazon called Stalked, so you'll find it.

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[Keith Zalomsewicz]

I do have a website dedicated to the book itself, but the website name is slightly different. I couldn't get the name of the book. It's called ojstalktome.com so if you go to ojstalk to me.com, there's links to buy the book on Amazon. And it also, you know, gives you a synopsis of the book in a bio of me and sort of contextualizes me a little bit. But I'd like people to go buy it, read it, understand Nick's story, and hopefully enjoy it.

[Amy Robach]

Right. Well, thank you again so much, Keith, and I just wish you the best of everything. And again, I'm really sorry for your loss.

[Keith Zalomsewicz]

Thank you for having me. I really appreciate the forum to tell a story. Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. I want to hear what cases you all are interested in hearing about. What are you watching that you want us to talk about? What actors or producers or directors do you want to hear from? Hit us up at our dms@killerthrillerpod on Instagram and TikTok and let us know. Make sure to follow the pod on socials and subscribe to Amy and TJ Presents wherever you listen to podcasts that will wrap us up for today. Until next time.

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