O.J. Simpson Estate Agrees To Pay Family of Ron Goldman 31 Years After His Death

Summary

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Podcast Summary: O.J. Simpson Estate Agrees To Pay Family of Ron Goldman 31 Years After His Death

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach, T.J. Holmes
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes discuss the headline news that O.J. Simpson’s estate has formally acknowledged the civil debt owed to the family of Ron Goldman, more than three decades after Simpson was found liable for Goldman’s death in a civil trial. The episode unpacks the emotional, legal, and symbolic implications of this acknowledgment, the limitations of actual restitution, and the enduring impact on the Goldman family, while also touching on related pop culture details such as the auctioning of Simpson’s memorabilia.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

The Ongoing Pursuit of Justice by the Goldman Family

• Fred Goldman’s Relentless Effort:
  Amy highlights that Fred Goldman has been seeking justice for his son Ron for three decades, never letting the world forget the case or the unpaid judgment against Simpson.
  • “This is a man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing, trying to get some sort of justice for the death of his son.” (02:39)
• Partial Justice?
  The hosts emphasize that although the estate’s acknowledgment is significant, it falls far short of full restitution or a sense of true justice.
  • “If he'd have gotten every single dime of that money, that initial judgment, 30 plus million, that have felt like justice? I would argue no.” — TJ (03:23)
  • “Some semblance of...a little, I guess something that you could say you had a win. I mean the win was in court.” — TJ (03:23)
• Bittersweet Victories, Many Losses:
  Amy recaps the family’s experience: Simpson’s criminal acquittal (a major loss), victory in civil court, no payment, Simpson’s imprisonment for unrelated charges, and now this small legal resolution.
  • “So yeah, it's like some wins, but a lot of losses.” — Amy (04:00)

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What the Estate is Really Worth

• Numbers Breakdown:

  • Original judgment plus accrued interest: Goldmans calculated $117 million; Estate contests this and offers $58 million.
  • Actual estate value: Possibly between $500,000 and $1 million, with creditors like the IRS ($640,000 owed) ahead of the Goldmans.
  • “We don't even have even anywhere close to that amount of money in the estate to give you. I think they're saying they might be able to scrape together anywhere between 500,000 and $1 million.” — Amy (05:41)
  • “There's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of the Goldmans who need to get paid first, including the IRS.” — Amy (06:34)

• Probate Reality for the Goldmans:
  TJ reframes the process as a mundane but frustrating probate case, not a dramatic confession or reversal from Simpson’s side.

  • “This is really a civil matter where they're trying to hunt down the estate... They're essentially a creditor at this point.” — TJ (06:49)
  • “Now we're finally hearing that you're acknowledging that you owe us money...but, yeah, we're in line and we're at the back of the line.” — Amy (07:30)

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Media Campaign & The ‘Unreachable’ Judgment

• Constant Advocacy:
  Amy recalls frequent TV interviews with the Goldman family, underscoring their unrelenting media engagement to hold Simpson accountable.
  • “When I was working at the Today show, sometimes I felt like they were on once a month, trying to continue putting a spotlight on O.J. simpson, almost in a weird way, publicly shaming him...” — Amy (07:30)
• Simpson’s Loopholes:
  • Goldmans couldn’t touch Simpson’s NFL pension, and he lived comfortably despite the judgment.
  • “They couldn't touch his NFL pension either.” — TJ (08:20)

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Executor's Hostile Stance and Shift in Tone

• Initial Hostility:

  • The executor originally proclaimed after Simpson’s death, “It's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero. Them specifically and I will do everything in my capacity...to ensure they get nothing.” — (Amy, quoting executor, 08:45)

• Subsequent Walk-back:

  • The executor acknowledged he spoke too harshly and shifted to a more neutral, pragmatic stance as estate proceedings unfolded.
  • “He said in hindsight...it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get down to what my role is as a personal representative.” — Amy (10:05)

• Legal Implications:

  • Despite any personal feelings, the executor’s legal obligation is to settle outstanding debts as required by law.
  • “The executor has a specific job and it's not to defend a legacy...it's essentially to handle your personal financial affairs.” — TJ (11:17)

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Symbolism, Legacy, and Ongoing Public Fascination

• Cultural Impact:
  The O.J. saga remains a national obsession, with new documentaries still revealing untold details and public discussions ongoing.

  • “Never a trial like this. The attention, the focus, the details that we all think we know. There's still information that we're finding out.” — Amy (12:45)
  • TJ recommends the latest Netflix documentary and recounts how his opinion kept shifting as he watched. (13:16–13:35)

• Goldmans’ Motivation:

  • TJ notes that the family's campaign was never about the money, but a sustained, public assertion that Ron Goldman deserved not to be forgotten.
  • “She said the reason she was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none of you all are going to talk about my brother. It'll all be about O.J. and Nicole.” — TJ, about Ron Goldman’s sister (13:35)
  • “I don't think they ever gave a damn about the money, obviously.” — TJ (14:30)

• Blood Money and Restitution:

  • Amy and TJ speculate Goldmans would likely donate any recovered funds.
  • “What would you do with that money? It was blood money. What do you want?” — Amy (14:30)
  • “This is the first time that, wow. He's paid for his crime.” — TJ (15:02)

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The Bible Auction & Kardashian Connection (21:23–27:32)

• O.J. Memorabilia Auction:
  • Estate is auctioning possessions, including a Bible inscribed to Simpson by Robert Kardashian Sr., father of Kim Kardashian.
  • “Among the prized possessions was a Bible...gifted to O.J. simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Sr.” — Amy (22:11)
• Kim Kardashian's Attempt to Buy the Bible:
  • Kim sought to purchase the Bible for sentimental reasons (as a gift for her sister), offering up to $30,000 but was denied. The Bible ultimately sold for $80,000.
  • “She offered to buy the book...for $15,000 and says she was willing to negotiate...The bible ended up being sold in auction for $80,000 plus.” — Amy (22:11, 23:19, 24:14)
• Executor's Reasoning:
  • The executor declined Kim’s offer, citing legal fees and a desire to maximize the estate proceeds, though the hosts question the logic of his explanation.
  • “He said that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.” — Amy (24:46)
• Personal and Business Motives:
  • Amy and TJ debate whether family, business, or frugality best explains the parties' actions over the memorabilia.
  • “She has no right or entitlement to it. Now, from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family who has a use for it now, do they?” — TJ (26:12)

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Additional Context & Reflections

• Not the Browns, Only the Goldmans:
  Amy and TJ note that Nicole Brown Simpson’s family was not involved in this civil claim.
  • “We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have not. They're not a part of this.” — Amy (27:32)
• Headline Significance:
  TJ closes by noting how this technical, legal process remains newsworthy due to the case’s massive cultural legacy.
  • “It's a very big deal because of what we're talking about. This is the O.J. simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the headline here is that the O.J. simpson is...Is acknowledging that he owes a debt.” — TJ (28:47)
• Quest for Justice Unfinished:
  • “They're looking for a crumb of justice, period, at this point, after all these years.” — Amy (28:47)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• TJ (03:23):
  “Is that what we call this? If he'd have gotten every single dime of that money, that initial judgment, 30 plus million, that have felt like justice, I would argue no.”

• Amy recapping executor's hostility (08:45):
  “It's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero...and I will do everything in my capacity...to ensure they get nothing.”

• TJ, on the Goldmans’ drive (10:04):
  “This family has had one mission and is to go after O.J. simpson and they have not stopped. For that, I give them all the credit in the world.”

• Amy, on new details in documentaries (12:45):
  “There was never a trial like this...There's still information that we're finding out.”

• TJ, on Ron Goldman's sister (13:35):
  “She said the reason she was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none of you all are going to talk about my brother. It'll all be about O.J. and Nicole.”

• Amy, on "blood money" (14:30):
  “What would you do with that money? It was blood money. What do you want?”

• Kim Kardashian feeling let down by humanity when denied the Bible (23:22):
  “I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity.”

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment & Content | |----------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:39–04:50 | Intro to Fred Goldman’s relentless pursuit and "partial justice" | | 05:41–08:22 | Estate’s actual value, IRS/creditors, and Goldmans’ long wait | | 08:45–11:17 | Executor’s initial hostility, regret, and role in estate process | | 12:45–14:30 | Cultural obsession, Goldmans’ core motivations, documentaries | | 15:02–16:32 | O.J. memorabilia auctions—who would want these items? | | 21:23–27:32 | The Bible auction, Kim Kardashian’s bid, estate’s reasoning | | 27:32–28:47 | Brown vs. Goldman families, why this is still headline news | | 28:47–end | Closing reflections on justice, legacy, and outcome uncertain |

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Tone & Style

• The episode alternates between sober analysis (of legal and emotional issues), genuine empathy for the Goldmans, and wry humor (especially when discussing memorabilia and public figures like Kim Kardashian).
• The hosts employ plain, direct language, occasionally breaking into a more conversational or speculative tone.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a thorough, emotionally resonant, and sometimes sardonic look at one of America’s most infamous cases, as its legal aftermath continues into a fourth decade. The hosts acknowledge both the historical significance and the frustratingly limited impact of the estate’s action, while foregrounding the personal tenacity and pain of the Goldman family. Audiences come away with a renewed sense of how legal, financial, and cultural narratives intersect in high-profile tragedies—and how, sometimes, the quest for justice is both unfinished and unsatisfying.

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there, everybody. It's Tuesday, November 18th, and a big headline for Ron Goldman's father. Fred Goldman, 31 years after the death of his son O.J. simpson's estate, finally agrees to pay Him. And with that, everyone, welcome to this episode of Amy and tj. This is a man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing, trying to get some sort of justice for the death of his son. And it seems as though he may get a part. Partial justice perhaps is what we might call it.

[TJ Holmes]

Is that what we call this? If he'd have gotten every single dime of that money, that initial judgment, 30 plus million, that have felt like justice, I would argue no. So like you said, some semblance of some, some, a little, I guess something that you could say you had a win. I mean the win was in court. Him paying isn't the win, I guess, but I guess that judgment originally was the only thing they had, which was a legal court proceeding that said that O.J. simpson was responsible for killing Ron Goldman. That, that was the biggest moment probably for this family.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And you think about it, this is a family that has been dealt a series of somewhat wins and obviously a significant loss when O.J. simpson was found not guilty for the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. But then, yes, they get the civil judgment with a huge payout that they never received. Then O.J. simpson finally does go to prison, but not for the crime of murder, but for burglary, for stealing back his own stuff. So yes, he goes behind bars, but not for the reasons why the Goldman family would have wanted. And then he dies before any of this actually happens in his lifetime. So yeah, it's like some wins, but a lot of losses. But today, or at least this headline has to be some sort of a victory for the family.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean you, it seems weird to talk about it in wins and losses. I know what you're saying, but yes, to your, to your point, it was that moment in court that everybody saw right when he was not guilty was the, the biggest possible loss. But still, even today, here we are, 30 plus years later, OJ Simpson has never been criminally held responsible for the deaths of his ex wife and Ron Coleman. That is just a fact that will stand for all time for this family. So when they can get something, when they can get a victory in court, when, I guess when he went back to prison, when I, I mean, I don't want to say that anybody celebrated his death, but if there was anybody on the planet who I could imagine hurt least in hearing that old Jane Simpson was dead, it might have been that family.

[Amy Robach]

Agreed. Agreed. And so this latest headline is that O.J. simpson's estate has accepted a claim for $58 million. Ron Goldman originally had wanted 117 million. That's what he had done. The math he had done with all the interest he said had accrued, O.J. simpson's estate said, yeah, we think your math might be a little off, so we will agree to 58. However. And there is a big however. We don't even have even anywhere close to that amount of money in the estate to give you. I think they're saying they might be able to scrape together anywhere between 500,000 and $1 million.

[TJ Holmes]

Now, I saw this. Well, he said, scrape together. That might be all they got. And that doesn't mean they're going to get every dime of it. If. If they document every single dime to OJ Simpson's name that's left over, there's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of the Goldmans who need to.

[Amy Robach]

Get paid first, including the IRS, I believe they said the O.J. simpson estate owes around $640,000 in taxes to the state of California, and that would have to be the priority. Makes sense.

[TJ Holmes]

This is what happened, right? The headline, and I get it, it is a major headline that the Simpson estate. It almost sounds like there is an admission of guilt, or we're saying, okay, that this is. No, what this is, is what so many people in this country go through every single day having to do with probate court. This is really a civil matter where they're trying to hunt down the estate of someone who has died. They're essentially a creditor at this point, and everybody's coming after this estate because he's died, and we want our money. And this is a part of the process. Robes. This almost. I know the headlines are where they are. This seems like even a bigger headache. Like, oh, my God, they got to deal with this.

[Amy Robach]

Now, now, now we're finally hearing that you are acknowledging that you owe us money, and you're saying you're gonna try to pay us what you can. But, yeah, we're in line and we're at the back of the line. Look, Fred Goldman and his family, they. I mean, the amount. When I was working at the Today show, sometimes I felt like they were on once a month, trying to continue putting a spotlight on O.J. simpson, almost in a weird way, publicly shaming him for not actually giving the money to them that they are owed, that a court mandated he pay them back, and would complain about how he basically found a way to live off of other people, like gifts, things that weren't financially trans. Like, that weren't transactions that he could say, oh, I earned this Money. Now I owe this to you. So he found ways to get around.

[TJ Holmes]

They couldn't touch his NFL pension either.

[Amy Robach]

They could not touch his NFL pension.

[TJ Holmes]

So this dude is smoking cigars, they see him playing golf, you owe us 30 plus million. And he is, he seemingly at least was going about his life. So this moment for that reason is a significant one, headline wise. But in reality, I don't know how much of a difference this now makes.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, I do think in tone it was striking to me. And look, the initial response from the executor of O.J. simpson's estate the day after his death, I actually read what he said and it's pretty remarkable given that he said this in April of 2024 and now we have the headline we have today. His, his statement was it's my hope that the Goldman's get nothing, get zero. Them specifically and I will do everything in my capacity as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure they get nothing. That was what he said the day after O.J. simpson died.

[TJ Holmes]

And that could still stand. I mean this does not mean a checkbook is about to get opened up at all. So to your point, he might not have gone too far from that. And again there was a, there was a timeline after his debt. Was it April of last year?

[Amy Robach]

April of 2024? Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. He died April last year. This put a whole bunch of things into motion and that's why we are at this point. It's not like the, the Goldman, this is some renewed effort. They have not stopped, they never let go. The moment we found out about the death of Ron Goldman, this family has had one mission and is to go after O.J. simpson and they have not stopped for that. I give them all the credit in the world.

[Amy Robach]

It's pretty remarkable.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, it is.

[Amy Robach]

For three decades, unrelenting. And I do wanna point out that same executor. Cuz that was quite the statement he said a short time later he did express regret for speaking so forcibly. And so he said in hindsight in response to that statement, it's my hope they get zero. Nothing. I think that was pretty harsh. He admitted. And he said now that I understand my role as the executor and the personal representative, it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get down to what my role is as a personal representative. It's interesting because it felt as though, and look, yes, the Goldmans and Fred Goldman specifically and the sister were very, very aggressive in their media campaign against O.J. simpson trying to get Some sort of justice. But there seemed to be a real personal hatred, not just from Fred Goldman and family towards O.J. simpson, but reciprocally as well, O.J. simpson. And certainly hearing that from his executor, clearly that was the tone in which he said he did not want to give a dime, a nickel to Fred, never ever. So there was this, there was an emotional feud going on between those two.

[TJ Holmes]

And look, but his death changed some things, right? It changed. They didn't have that target necessarily. You don't have a human being to direct your focus. So now it's the estate. And I think, look, these are. The executor has a specific job and it's not to defend a legacy, it's not to defend O.J. simpson criminally. It's, it's essentially to handle your personal financial affairs. And, and this estate has things it has to answer for legally or it's going to be in trouble. His job is to make sure it's handled. One of those things. All these creditors came running after his death. One of them was Ron Goldman. Do you acknowledge this debt or not? They officially acknowledge. Yep, we owe money is what happened.

[Amy Robach]

And that's a big deal.

[TJ Holmes]

They have officially acknowledged we legally owe Mr. Goldman this money. Is he gonna get it? Don't know. But this, it's funny how something that is that so many Americans are dealing with day in, day out having to do with trying to track down money. You're old in probate court now has ballooned into this headline making thing that is in a lot of ways mundane and routine. In a lot of ways it is historically significant to one of the biggest cases we have maybe ever watched in this country.

[Amy Robach]

You were just rewatching a fascinating documentary about this case. And we still are still learning things that we didn't know at the time. Even though this trial was on television every single day. From the police chase in the white Bronco to the actual day in and day out with Judge Ito and Marcia Clark and Johnny Cochran. I mean there was never a trial like this. The attention, the focus, the details that we all think we know. There's still, still information that we're finding out.

[TJ Holmes]

Encourage everybody watch that documentary with the people. No. Which one is it? It's called, it's on Netflix now. It's the most. It's the latest O.J. simpson documentary. And I was, you know that we were in Sweden. I was watching it every morning as I was taking a shower and I.

[Amy Robach]

Was listening to it while you were playing it and coming in going, wait what did they just say?

[TJ Holmes]

And I swear to you, in the first 45 minutes, I came to you, I said, oh, my God, he absolutely did it. I have no quite. There's nothing to talk about. I came back to you the next episode and I said, sweetheart, I don't know if he did was. You heard so many things that it was wild. So I encourage everybody to listen to it. But Robes, one of the most striking parts of that was Ron Goldman's sister, who everybody, you know, her face. We're so familiar with her at this point. But she said the reason she was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none of you all are going to talk about my brother. It'll all be about O.J. and Nicole. To hear her say that now, combined with this story lets you know this is a family who would not let it go and more power to them. And if this is another moment where they can say, we got a victory, knock yourself out. I don't think they ever gave a damn about the money, obviously.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, I don't think they'll probably end up donating it to charity. What would you do with that money? It was blood money. What do you want?

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, what do you want? Donate to domestic violence. Something or the other they would probably do. So it's not about that at all. Is it just an acknowledgment that this man has been held responsible and he never paid for it? Right. Pay with jail time? Nope.

[Amy Robach]

Nope.

[TJ Holmes]

So how can he pay for it? He'd have to literally pay with money. This is the only option now. If they get some money, this is the first time that, wow. He's paid for his crime.

[Amy Robach]

Wow. And so we've heard from the executor of the OJ Estate that they are and have been over since he died, trying to auction off many of his items, some of the memorabilia, to try and raise funds to pay off the IRS and eventually perhaps to pay off the Goldmans.

[TJ Holmes]

Would you keep one if you had an opportunity? If you. Somebody said the O.J. heisman, would you keep any part of O.J. simpson sports memorabilia?

[Amy Robach]

I personally would not. Would you?

[TJ Holmes]

Seems weird.

[Amy Robach]

Maybe it's weird. If you have gobsmacks of money and you're having a house party and you want to say, hey, look what I got. We've all met those people. They have a treasure trove in their palatial house somewhere, and they want to show you the room they have with pictures of them with famous people and memorabilia from people who did far greater things. Than they did to say, look what I got. Look what I bought. Look what I paid for.

[TJ Holmes]

Then they take you down to the basement and then a room off to the side of the back of the basement. You go into that and then they punch in a code and then the wall opens up and you go, holy shit. You got that?

[Amy Robach]

Or those people, when they ask you to leave the room while they open the safe, just in case you might see, you remember that.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes. These people. So what?

[Amy Robach]

You know those people. We aren't those people.

[TJ Holmes]

What we're saying, would anybody. This memorability we're talking about, he's trying to sell. Who would. Who would you want to. What would you do with it?

[Amy Robach]

There is someone who wanted to buy a piece of the memorabilia for very personal reasons and was turned down. And she talked about it in one of the latest episodes of Keeping up with the Kardashians.

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[Kev Onstage]

What up, y'?

[TJ Holmes]

All?

[Kev Onstage]

It's your boy, Kev onstage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who've had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak and what did they learn from it?

[Amy Robach]

I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show.

[TJ Holmes]

Boo.

[Amy Robach]

Somebody had tomatoes. I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes.

[Kev Onstage]

Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We both, we bumped our head, we made a mistake, the deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through.

[Amy Robach]

So when they sat me down, they.

[Kev Onstage]

Were kind of like, we got into.

[Amy Robach]

The small talk and they were just.

Like, so what do you got? What ideas?

And I was like, oh, no.

What?

[Kev Onstage]

Check out not my best moment with me, Kev on Stage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Amy Robach]

Continuing our conversation about one of the biggest, most recent headlines regarding O.J. simpson since his death, truly, his estate has finally agreed to pay Ron Goldman's family some of the money they owe from that civil judgment that was from back in, what, 1996? 1996. 97. So 31 years since Ron Goldman's death. The Goldman family is finally getting word from the O.J. estate that, yes, we acknowledge we owe you money, somewhere around $58 million. They're probably at best, if ever, going to get around 500,000 to a million, according to the executor of the will. But that's about as good as it gets.

[TJ Holmes]

Wait, do I have it right? That's all he's worth, right? That's all they're saying he's worth is if they gave him every dime, the most they could get is a million dollars.

[Amy Robach]

That's what it seemed to be. That's what it seems to be the case. And they are in the process of auctioning off what was in this estate, in OJ's estate. And among the prized possessions was a Bible. And it wasn't just any Bible. It was a Bible gifted to O.J. simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Sr. And of course, the father, the late father of Kim Kardashian, the Kardashian clan. So they sold the Bible. But before, when Kim Kardashian heard, hey, they're selling the Bible my father gave to oj, she says she wanted to buy it for her sister for a birthday present because they wanted to bring the Bible back into their family. And she says the OJ estate rejected her offer, period. She offered to buy the book, she says, for $15,000 and says she was willing to negotiate. She was. Turned out.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm pretty sure she could have gone higher than the 15.

[Amy Robach]

She said she was willing to go up to 30,000, but was never even given the opportunity to negotiate. And that's what upset her. She said, I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. And she's the only one we got an answer for. We haven't got an official reason from the estate for why.

[Amy Robach]

Official reason from the estate. The executor said in response to Kim's complaint, which again, she just last week said this all on Keeping up the Kardashians. He So the. So here's the deal. The bible ended up being sold in auction for $80,000 plus, again, pretty sure Kim Kardashian could afford that. But she offered 15 to 30, said that she was willing to negotiate. She also was upset that that somehow got leaked online, that she didn't want that to be out there. So somehow someone put it out there that she made an offer and maybe they were trying to embarrass her because it was so low compared to what it actually ended up going for.

[TJ Holmes]

I mean, all that's petty. But point being, does that not make sense? If they understood they could get more than the 15, why not wait for auction? Right?

[Amy Robach]

Correct. So that's basically what the executor said. He said, why would I spend $15,000 of estate money. Why would I spend $15,000 in attorney's fees to sell it to Kim for $15,000? I don't know that attorney's fees are that much money to negotiate a sale. But that's what he said. And he said that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't understand that part.

[Amy Robach]

With the.

[TJ Holmes]

The. I don't understand that part.

[Amy Robach]

He, he. I don't know what he was saying that it would cost him $15,000 to sell it to her for $15,000. That makes no sense to me. I don't know how these sorts of things go and what the fees are attached to it, but that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. But he said basically he would end up with nothing if he sold it to her for 15. So he didn't even entertain the offer.

[TJ Holmes]

Wait, there's no explanation for how that goes down with the. No, I have no sale. If there's a, you know, I know there are sometimes brokers fees when it comes to auctions. Is that a Part it was going through there, maybe. Okay. I don't understand it because usually when I sell something, I say, do you want this? They say, yes, I want this much. They say, I'll give you this much, and then we're done. It usually can be wrapped up in a text exchange.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So this is where it is. But it was interesting. Kim actually talked about especially why this Bible was important to them. Her father actually wrote an inscription in the Bible to O.J. that it said, this is after the verdict. God has a definite plan for your life. You are his child, and he will use you again. And she just thought that it was really special that her father wrote that and they wanted it back in their family. I don't know if there was a consideration that should have been given. I think it would have been the right thing to do, to negotiate with her and say, hey, this is probably going to go for X, Y and Z. Can you. Can you match that? Obviously, she could have if she wanted it, but she claims he never even negotiated with her.

[TJ Holmes]

Again, I don't know how much more of that. How much? I don't know. Anything personal, if there was anything untoward, anything behind the scenes or personal related to that and. Or was just a business decision. I don't know. And Again, that was OJ Simpson. This was OJ's Bible. It was in his possession. This is his thing. It's not her dad. She has no right or entitlement to it. Now, from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family who has a use for it now, do they? Who would want to? Or maybe they would, I assume, everything in his estate they would get first dibs on. Is that fair to say?

[Amy Robach]

I would think. Unless they know that they owe enough people enough money that they can't justify handing out memorabilia for emotional reasons or emotional attachments, they actually need to find the highest bidder or the highest price that would be paid in order to, you know, to. To. To meet the obligations that are clearly there.

[TJ Holmes]

I hear that. Or maybe she's frugal. Maybe Kim Kardashian, you don't get that rich by throwing away money. We see a lot of stuff she does and go, wow, she's spending money on that. But she's, hey, 15, as high as I'm gonna go. I respect that.

[Amy Robach]

I would think one of her dresses in her closet is more than that, but that's just a guess.

[TJ Holmes]

But I appreciate it. This just leans more into my new public discovery that I have a parasocial relationship with Kim.

[Amy Robach]

Kardashian.

That's for another podcast. But I would like to get into that a little bit more deeply. That would be. Be of great interest to me. But look, this was a. This was a fascinating story. It's a. It's a case that has captivated this country for three decades, and this is the latest development and certainly for the Goldman family. And it's interesting. We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have not. They're not a part of this. I think they have. We haven't heard from them trying to get their share of the money. I haven't heard one case of that, actually.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, no, they didn't. This was all. This was the Goldman. This was the Goldman family that went this route against him. So now they're not. You know, I haven't heard a whole lot about the Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson's family over the years, but this is just to think, 30 years later, this is still making headlines for even the most minute things like something like this, which is literally a legal, technical process that they're going through. But it's a very big deal because of what we're talking about. This is the O.J. simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the headline here is that the O.J. simpson is. Is acknowledging that he owes a debt to the family of Ron Goldman, period.

[Amy Robach]

They're looking for a crumb of justice, period, at this point, after all these years. And we will continue to follow this because this is not, as you pointed out, over yet. We have to wait and see if the money is there and if that money will actually be handed over. But in the meantime, we thank you for listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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