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TJ Holmes
Hey there folks. It is Tuesday, January 27, and there is a change in tone, there is a change in strategy, and there is a change in leadership on the streets of Minneapolis. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. The does it feel like the tide has finally turned? There has been now, we can say, a shift and cooler heads seem to be prevailing in Minneapolis.
Amy Robach
Absolutely, yes. And it's about time. It's sad that it took three public killings for this to happen, but yes, Alex Preddy's killing has absolutely. And the reaction to it and the videos that don't agree with the statements, all of that has built up to a point now where finally we are seeing some. It's not reconciliation, but at least an acknowledgment of the other's position.
TJ Holmes
Okay, we went from get the fuck out of Minneapolis to I just had a good phone call. That's why didn't you have the good phone call at the beginning? I understand the anger is there and but we had to get through all this. But somebody else died because these folks weren't talking on the phone. So yes, folks, what we're talking about here in Minneapolis as we're getting up on this morning, on Tuesday, there is absolutely a change in the mindset, in the tone in the tune from everybody. So let's start with the update here and let's not say everything is all good. There was fairly ugly scene last night. We'll tell you this first, folks, that last night, I believe at least a dozen, I don't think dozens, but at least a dozen dozen folks were arrested. Rose, another one of these scenes we've seen at a hotel. They think Bavino staying at this hotel, group of protesters show up. They've been banging pots and whatnot, but they were told to disperse. So last night went up until 10 o' clock local time, freezing temperatures. But they arrested a dozen or so folks last night to get them away. They thought he was living at that or staying at that hotel.
Amy Robach
Yes, I, I actually read 26 people were arrested last night outside the hotel because, yes, dozens. And they said that there was property damage, objects being thrown at officers. It got heated outside of that hotel because they were trying to make his last night a terrible one or at least try to keep him up all night, which is just it. Look, if you've got the announcement that the guy is leaving, that the president is making changes, maybe go ahead and. And I shouldn't tell people what to do, but it just seems like it would have maybe been in the spirit of saying, let me do my part. It would have maybe been nice to see that not happen.
TJ Holmes
But it happened.
Amy Robach
And dozens of people were arrested.
TJ Holmes
They wanted to express themselves. And right now they feel to some degree that they have an advantage, that they are actually have at least winning at this point. Because, yes, this is a big deal. The face, the name you have been seeing on the streets there in charge of the operation. And that is headline one. There will be a change in leadership on the ground in Minneapolis. And who you've been seeing, Greg Bevino. And you've seen a lot more of him in the past few days. And because of what you were seeing and what he was saying, quite frankly, is being pointed to as why he's being pulled out. But Greg Bevino is being taken out of Minneapolis, being replaced by the border czar, Tom Homan. Also big deal. Trump, Waltz, Frey all got on the phone together, separate phone calls. But Trump talked to Waltz, Trump talked to Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry. All of them talked and came out singing a very different tune. Other headline agents will start leaving today. You hear that, folks? That surge of federal agents in Minneapolis we are now told is going to start scaling back today. But robes the big headline. And look, Greg Bevino, he has been giving press conferences and he was out in the street. We saw him throwing tear gas at one point, but he has been the face. This is a big deal. He's out of there.
Amy Robach
Yes, that face is gone after today. Leaving Minneapolis today along with several of those agents, which will be a cause for celebration for a lot of folks there in that city. But yeah, he was the top commander. He is the top commander of Border Patrol. We should make that very clear because Trump wanted it to be known he is not being fired. He is not being demoted. He, he is just leaving Minneapolis. And there are clear reasons why, as we've just pointed out, he literally was the face of that initial DHS response that was squarely pointing the finger, victim blaming, saying Alex Preddy wanted to massacre Border Patrol agents, that he was brandishing a weapon. None of which those videos show.
TJ Holmes
It didn't take analysis of the videos. No, it was so clear that what he was saying and what Kristi Noem were saying was actually factually wrong, it made it worse. Right. If you just say, hey, we're gonna look at the investigation, we'll look into it, is one thing. Swear they came out and defended. They were lying to our faces. Yes.
Amy Robach
And not only did they come out defending the Border Patrol agents, they came out accusing the victim, blaming the victim, saying that he was just this instigator who was out to kill as many Border Patrol agents as he could with magazines and his gun. I mean, they went within, what, not that long after the incident, they quickly jumped and rushed to all of these statements. And the problem is now you have a massive credibility issue. And no matter what Bovino was going to say, and frankly, Kristi Noema's in this category right now, we're not going to believe as journalists what you tell us now because you've just proven that we cannot.
TJ Holmes
Again, that's one thing. If the press doesn't believe you, but the public doesn't believe you, they don't have to believe us. They don't have to listen to a reporter. They can hear Kristi Noem say, this guy came here to kill as many agents as he could. And you're seeing a guy with a cell phone walking, trying to help a woman up from the ground who just been pushed down. It just doesn't work. So they had a public credibility problem. And that robes, what you're talking about is, is the thing that many believe has changed this whole scenario because of Donald Trump. He reportedly is pissed at how Bavino and Noem have handled and coming out and saying those things. It's all been botched. And he now has been put in a position to where public sentiment has turned, it seems, at least against him. And he knows it.
Amy Robach
Yes, and he knows it. And he is acting accordingly. He understands. I think what look, you even look at the Greenland situation, there comes a point where he understands where he cannot overcome the public sentiment. And you saw him do it last week with Greenland, quietly, confidently, and yet an obvious shift in rhetoric and direction and tone. This exact thing is happening in Minneapolis right now. He knows when he cannot overcome a situation where he cannot force an outcome to be what he wants it to be. And so he is backing off to the point where CNN reported this. And I see you have it here as well, that Greg Bevino's social media access has been taken away. That is what they are reporting. That might just speak to just how upset President Trump is.
TJ Holmes
What was commander at large, I think, is what that official one is from the Border patrol. But yes, CNN's reporting that. I think everybody is picking up on their reporting. But Robes, he has, that's one thing at the press conference, but he continues to spin that narrative. And he's been going head to head with members of Congress and doing that Twitter look, they're following the President's lead.
Amy Robach
I was just gonna say he's probably doing what he thinks he's supposed to do because that's what we see Trump doing all the time, engaging in public sparring on social media.
TJ Holmes
So he's apparently been banned from doing that by the administration. Not by X, by the way, but the White House made clear that he is not being relieved of his duties because that would look bad. That would look like, hey, we put a guy in there, he's failing, so we're removing him. You can't do that. So the guy's just moving to another spot now. Asked specifically about Bevino being demoted or reassigned, Catherine, excuse me. Carolyn Levitt at the White House yesterday said he is very much going to continue to lead Customs and Border Patrol throughout and across the country. He's leaving. He's leaving at least Minneapolis. She was asked specifically, is he leaving Minneapolis? That was her answer. Nope. He's going to continue to lead Customs and Border Patrol throughout and across the country.
Amy Robach
Across the country, just not in Minneapolis.
TJ Holmes
We heard that. So he's being replaced by Homan, who apparently Robes has a pretty good reputation on both sides.
Amy Robach
Yes. And it seems like he is the man that perhaps not just Minneapolis needs, but that the country needs at this point point. He is the border czar, 64 years old, but he's been with Border Patrol and ICE for 40 plus years. So he has worked through many, many administrations, specifically during the Obama administration, which, you know, for folks who are on either side of the political aisle, to have someone who has served in a bipartisan role or at least four different types of presidents does speak highly to being uniquely qualified to handle this situation because it is so much about Republicans versus Democrats, the administration versus those who are on the other side of the political aisle. So to have somebody who has been a unifier, at least in the past, is a step in the right direction.
TJ Holmes
And they were quick to point out at one point President Obama acknowledged him by giving him award for his, like a prestigious award for his efforts. So that gives him some credit. It's crazy. I can get along with the Republican, I can get along with the Democrat. So therefore now I'm good. Should be the case.
Amy Robach
We'll take you it's rare these days.
TJ Holmes
But he is on his way. He's supposed to be there today. Now, we talked about Robes, the other shift, and a big part of this. I. Help me here. Do you remember them saying they had been on the phone prior to this? Has Trump talked to Waltz or Trump talked to Mayor Fry before? I can't remember.
Amy Robach
I don't know if they have. What I remember is Waltz publicly saying that he wouldn't take his call, that Trump wouldn't take his call, that he was trying. I reached out, he was trying to call Trump and he hadn't heard back. So he was throwing Trump under the bus for not returning his phone call.
TJ Holmes
Okay, so apparently they all got on the phone yesterday and what a difference a phone call makes. They all came out yesterday, Robes, Trump, Fry and Walt and gave their own, I guess, account of how those calls went. Every single one of them said at least it was productive. And they were all quite respectful of the people they have been publicly, I mean, just hurling all kinds of insults publicly. But, sweetheart, this was. This always happens. Remember, Mom, Donnie, the worst thing they were saying about each other, he goes to the White House and they, look, buddy, buddy, this is just one of those things. They sound like good friends now.
Amy Robach
Yeah. You know what? I don't need to understand it. I'm just happy it's happening. Yes. This is what Trump had to say about Mayor Fry, because what he's had to say about Mayor Fry up until now, some of it probably wasn't even fit for broadcast, but he said, I just had a very good telephone conversation with Mayor Jacob Fry of Minneapolis. Lots of progress is being made. Tom Holman will be meeting with him tomorrow. That's today. In order to continue the discussion. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
TJ Holmes
That's a huge score for all of us to see. Like, we are so relieved to see the President not spitting fire. This calms every. Just a simple, simple couple of lines.
Amy Robach
My shoulders relaxed reading that.
TJ Holmes
Seriously, just okay, maybe we'll be okay. And he spoke on Waltz as well. He said they called that Waltz called to request they work together on Minnesota. Said it was a very good call. Quote, we actually seem to be on a similar wavelength. What?
Amy Robach
Yay. Finally. Thank you. There's always common ground. Sometimes you just have to look a little harder for it.
TJ Holmes
How about this for a line? The governor very respectfully understood and I will be speaking to him in the near future. He was happy with Tom Holman that he's going to be going to Minnesota, and so am I, we've had such tremendous success. Da da da da da ropes. Wait, here it is, this last line here. Minnesota crime is way down, but both Governor Waltz and I was. Want to make it better. Yeah, they sound like teammates.
Amy Robach
Look, that was amazing. And that's what it should have been from the beginning and look better late than ever. I truly believe that. But it did sound like. We listened to Carolyn Levitt's press conference yesterday and they were giving state leaders an off ramp, basically saying, hey, if you guys just hand over all of the illegal migrants, they used another term. Who are currently in your prisons and hand them over to us to be deported to will be happy. And if anyone who has an arrest warrant or has a, you know, a violent criminal history, if you let us arrest them and you assist us in arresting them, we'll leave. So there was they, they were dangling. Hey, just let us have access to convicted criminals who are not in this country legally. It felt like that was the public offering that was being made.
TJ Holmes
I was worried watching her press conference. It was appointment television for us. Yesterday usually happens around 1 o'. Clock. It was a little, little delayed, but it was the first one since Alex Brady's death. So we were watching that with very, very perked up ears in that moment. But I was concerned afterwards that things were not going to be going the right direction because she laid out almost demands and she once again doubled and tripled down on a narrative. We've just been competing narratives since he's gotten killed. I mean, Minneapolis has just been a competing narrative. And she seemed to be continuing with that. Three conditions. Democrats need to turn over all illegal immigrants and to federal authorities, State and local law enforcement must turn over all illegal undocumented immigrants who are arrested and they must assist in apprehending and detaining those who are wanted. She laid out three conditions. Do this and it's all good. And then we heard about the phone calls. We say this. Well, it was during the shutdown, right, Robes. We were shocked. We were three weeks into the shut down and the two sides weren't talking.
Amy Robach
And, and yeah, it's like, wait, what people are, are trying to figure out how to put a meal on the table. And you're like, we're not talking. That's your job to talk. That's your job to negotiate. That is what democracy is. That is what any sort of union is. That is what a marriage is. You talk things through.
TJ Holmes
You really, you know, you put it. And everybody can relate to that. If there is a problem or a conflict. How is it going to get solved if you're back in the bedroom and homeboy is downstairs in the basement? You have to talk. They had one phone call and all of a sudden things are okay. Why didn't we do that from the beginning? I don't know. Who knows? But we're talking about these phone calls. We told you how Trump viewed them. We will tell you now how Governor Tim Waltz and Mayor Jacob Fry. We will hear their assessments of how those phone calls went. Stay here.
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TJ Holmes
All right, folks, we continue here on Amy and TJ on this Tuesday, which could be a turning point in what we've seen on the streets of Minneapolis, all because robes couple folks decide to pick up the phone and call each other.
Amy Robach
It's amazing what conversation and communication can do that.
TJ Holmes
We're literally talking about. Two phone calls have changed.
Amy Robach
What's so interesting is everything President Trump has said that he is, you know, the president of peace, he's got his board of peace. He's basically saying solved. He says eight and a half wars around the world in just a year's time. And you'd think he would understand this then being the president of peace that he is. But you know what? He finally figured it out in terms of his ability. He has that power, he actually does as the president, to be the peacemaker, to be the bridge. And he finally decided to be that person.
TJ Holmes
We always put something in front of something in chief, right? He's a commander in chief, but sometimes the consoler in chief. He's the this. Right. During moments where we struggle in this country, we do look to the president to comfort us. And his words can ratchet things up or it can calm things down. He took a stand here. Yes, you're right, he could. J.D. vance went to town, didn't help things. Bring Things to temperature down. Right. Because he said things that inflamed the President. Just simply said, I had a good call. We're on the same page. We want to work together. He didn't admit in his. In any of his comments that he was pulling agents, did he?
Amy Robach
No.
TJ Holmes
Right.
Amy Robach
I didn't see that. I didn't see that.
TJ Holmes
Yeah. That came from Walt and Fry. So let's tell you, Fry in particular, Mayor Jacob Fry, who has gotten a lot of incoming from the President. He had two messages in particular. Robes on X. He was the one. And this was a big headline and big breaking news. He was the one that let us know that agents were going to be leaving.
Amy Robach
That's right. He said, I spoke with President Trump today and appreciated the conversation.
TJ Holmes
Wow. Wow.
Amy Robach
I expressed how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant communities and was clear that my main ask is that Operation Metro surge needs to end. The President agreed the present situation can't continue.
TJ Holmes
Boom.
Amy Robach
Wow. And then he said, some federal agents will begin leaving the area tomorrow and I will continue pushing for the rest involved in this operation to go.
TJ Holmes
Wow. That tomorrow being today, folks, we are going to see. We've been hearing surge, surge, surge. There were 2,000 there. They sent another thousand surging, surging. It's going down. We are told that today agents will start leaving Minneapolis. That is a big headline. That's a big deal. And it can go a long, long way. Robes to changing these scenes we've seen on the streets. There was a less chance starting today of somebody getting killed probably again.
Amy Robach
Yeah. It's just. It's so sad that it took Alex Preddy's death for us to get here. It is sad that they couldn't have had a conversation about what both sides wanted and how both sides could feel like they had a win. And it was. It was found and it was there all along. After a third man had to die. It's. It's tough.
TJ Holmes
Governor Waltz spoke as well. I had a productive call with President Trump earlier today, Ro. But that's a remarkable. Given the words we have been seeing for the past couple of weeks.
Amy Robach
My laughter is that normally that would be a meh statement in any other administration, but to have that be like this huge headline just speaks to the times we're in. That's why I laughed. I was just laughing at the perspective of that statement.
TJ Holmes
Well, you're right. You were laughing as well when we were talking about the shutdown. It's only a partial shutdown, so it's gonna be a success. We will take the we just have the governor of a US State and the president talking and we're celebrating.
Amy Robach
Yes, in the United States of America.
TJ Holmes
He said he had a productive call with the President. He said I told him we need impartial investigations of the Minneapolis shootings involving federal agents and that we need to reduce the number of federal agents in Minnesota. The president agree to look into reducing the number of federal agents in Minnesota and to talk to DHS about ensuring the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, essentially saying that we have access and that Minnesota can do its own investigation. Ro this is, I know it's baby steps but we will take it. I know this seems like a baby step that three men talked. This is ginormous.
Amy Robach
Oh it is. This is just and probably life savings. That's the sad thing. But yes, this is going to be peace preserving and this is what we need more of in this country is for adults to act like adults.
TJ Holmes
And we should let you know folks that we have a few adults going to be meeting. We do believe in Minneapolis today. Tom Holman, the border czar who is being sent is set, at least according to Mayor Fry, set to meet with Homan today. And also I believe Governor Waltz is as well. They spoke about a meeting that the president wants them to get together. So the principals, at least on the ground they're going to be meeting today and we might have a much, much different day in Minneapolis. We can certainly hope so. We can say we don't know how many. Right. I don't think. If you've seen somewhere let me know. But I haven't seen anybody say how many they're expecting to leave today or the next few days.
Amy Robach
Right. Don't have that number yet. But just the fact that any are leaving probably is welcome news to a lot of folks who are living there.
TJ Holmes
All right, folks, well, we just wanted to hop on fast moving development some overnight. But yes, an incredible day yesterday which could lead to a change in the prospects on the street of Minneapolis today. But folks, we appreciate you spending time with us. I'm TJ Holmes. On behalf of Amy Robot, we will talk to you.
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Date: January 27, 2026
In this fast-moving, reaction-filled episode, hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes dive deep into the sudden and dramatic turn of events in Minneapolis following recent unrest and the death of Alex Preddy. The episode unpacks how, after weeks of escalating tensions and public outrage, a string of crucial phone calls between President Trump, Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz, and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry led to a major shift: the removal of Greg Bevino as lead on the ground, a promised scale-back of federal agents in the city, and a rare public alignment among contentious leaders. The conversation focuses on the impact of communication, credibility, and leadership in crises—and the price of waiting too long for dialogue.
The episode provides a fast-paced, at times exasperated inside look at the cost of communication breakdown at the highest levels—and the relief, however bittersweet, when dialogue finally breaks the stalemate. Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes blend outrage, empathy, and cautious hope as they document a watershed moment for Minneapolis. Their fundamental lesson is unequivocal: talking solves more than posturing ever will, even if the reckoning arrives too late for some.