President Trump Suggests Lawmakers Should Be Executed For “Seditious Behavior”

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode: "President Trump Suggests Lawmakers Should Be Executed For 'Seditious Behavior'"
Date: November 21, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Amy Robach (A), T.J. Holmes (B)

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Overview

This episode centers on shocking social media posts by President Trump, in which he called for certain members of Congress to be tried and potentially executed for what he labeled "seditious behavior." Amy and TJ examine the President’s statements, the context surrounding them, and the reactions of both the White House and the targeted lawmakers. They focus on the dangerous escalation in political rhetoric, dissect the definition and history of sedition, and talk through broader implications for American democracy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. President Trump's Social Media Outburst

[03:49]–[08:22]

• Trump saw a video posted by six Democratic lawmakers, all with military backgrounds, discussing the duty of military personnel to refuse unlawful orders.
• Trump reacted by posting rapid-fire messages on Truth Social:
  • “It's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set.” (A 06:35)
  • “Seditious behavior from traitors!!! Lock them up???” (A 07:28)
  • “This is among the scariest seditious behavior punishable by DEATH!” (A 07:50)
  • Trump also reposted another user’s message: “Hang them, George Washington would.”

Analysis

• Amy and TJ point out Trump's pattern of escalating political rhetoric, noting how the lack of a strong White House response further amplifies the danger of such language.
• They emphasize that these aren’t ambiguous statements; Trump explicitly discusses death as punishment.

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2. White House & Press Secretary Response

[04:44]–[10:57]

• White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt was asked directly if the President wanted members of Congress killed. Her response was a simple “No,” without elaboration, then deflected attention to the lawmakers’ video.
• Levitt accused the lawmakers of encouraging the military to “defy the President’s lawful orders,” despite the lawmakers specifying refusal of “illegal orders.”

Notable Quotes

• “She didn’t bring the temperature down... she justified him calling for the death possibly of members of Congress.” (A 10:05)
• “At some point we all have to look at the same thing and agree that the President of the United States should not be calling for the death of members of Congress…This is not helpful to where we are.” (B 10:05)

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3. Examining the Lawmakers’ Video

[14:58]–[16:46]

• Amy reads out the message from the six lawmakers:
  • “You all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home…Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.”
• The hosts clarify that the lawmakers did not call for the defiance of lawful orders, but only illegal ones, directly contradicting the White House accusation.

Notable Insight

• “How does that rise to the level of you all are traitors who need to die?” (B 16:39)

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4. Dangerous Political Climate & Real-World Violence

[13:26]–[17:22]

• The hosts link Trump’s rhetoric to the broader context of political violence: reference Charlie Kirk’s assassination, the Michigan lawmakers killed, the Pennsylvania governor’s house set on fire, and the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband.
• They argue the rhetoric risks inciting further violence:
  • “Someone sees this as marching orders. Someone sees this as well, he’s given me permission.” (B 08:22)
  • “This is, my God. The president just said their words can’t be allowed to stand … this is terrifying because someone sees this as marching orders.” (B 08:22)

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5. Sedition: Legal Definitions, History, and Rarity

[23:59]–[28:59]

• The hosts explain the legal definition of seditious conspiracy:
  • Involves two or more people conspiring to use force against the U.S. government or its laws.
  • Merely advocating for force is not the same as conspiring to use it.
• Sedition cases are extremely rare in American history—only 12 people have been convicted for treason or sedition (Aaron Burr, “Tokyo Rose”, Oath Keepers/J6 cases).
• For military members, conviction of sedition under the Uniform Code of Military Justice can be punishable by death.

Notable Quotes

• “An order is considered lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders... it is a little confusing.” (A 27:05)
• “Who gets to say whether or not this order is lawful or not?... it is a gray area and very confusing, especially in these times.” (B/A 28:17-28:31)

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6. Broader Call to Decency and Civic Engagement

[28:59]–[29:37]

• The episode closes with a call for reducing inflammatory rhetoric and remembering that “words matter.”
• They urge listeners to be “a part of bringing the temperature down in this country if you can.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you want to say, well, he didn’t really mean it, you can if you want to. Fine. But you still cannot argue that this is not helpful to where we are.” — TJ Holmes (10:05)
• “How can anyone defend that language?...that is just a bold-faced lie.” — Amy Robach (10:57)
• “This is just dangerous stuff.” — TJ Holmes (16:47)
• “The only good thing that has come out of this story is that maybe we as Americans are learning more about our laws…” — Amy Robach (26:56)
• “Please, we gotta be better.” — TJ Holmes (29:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Summary of Trump’s Posts and Initial Analysis | 03:49–08:22| | White House/Press Secretary Response | 04:44–10:57| | Reading the Lawmakers’ Video Content | 14:58–16:46| | Rhetoric, Violence, and Real-World Consequences | 13:26–17:22| | Legal Detail on Sedition, Rarity, and History | 23:59–28:59| | “Words Matter” – Closing Reflection | 28:59–29:37|

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Final Thoughts

Amy and TJ frame the President’s comments as not simply controversial, but as an unprecedented and dangerous escalation that risks real-world harm. Their analysis separates partisan speculation from direct quotes and hard law, offering perspective on why such rhetoric, whether literal or not, is toxic and potentially inciting in today’s polarized environment. The episode is both a civics lesson and a passionate plea for responsible leadership and discourse.

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End of Summary

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Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November 21, and we have several members of Congress who have had to have their stepped up. Even their families are being checked on, all because of a threat that's come their way. The threat came from President Trump. And with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. I. I took some liberties in the introduction, but for the most part, what I said is exactly what people are saying is taking place. The President of the United States called for the death of certain members of Congress.

[A]

Yes. There's no other way to say it. He suggested that certain members of Congress be tried and potentially executed. Even. There was a suggestion, a retweeting of being hanged for sedition because of a video that six lawmakers put out on social media. Yeah.

[B]

The President saw something he didn't like. He didn't like, so he reacted, which he often does. Want to say here off the top, I don't want to wait until we get to the bottom of this, of this episode, but when you're talking about something this serious, this went on for the most part of the day yesterday, this back and forth in D.C. the President's spokesperson did come out later, was asked directly and she said no. That was the answer. She didn't go farther than explain what she was asked. Does the President want any members of Congress actually killed? No. And then she went on to something else. So it was a. What's happened now is that he amplified this thing with his messages. How many people are going to pay attention? That wasn't a forceful response. It was just. No.

[A]

There was no explanation. There was no. In fact, she turned the tables, as she often does. We're talking about Carolyn Levitt, the White House press secretary, back towards the media that you aren't getting what actually the story is. And it's about this video. It's not about what the President said, but what the President said was extraordinary and deeply concerning. And in this era of the President and Republicans saying that words matter, that words incite violence, and they point to Charlie Kirk's assassination as example or exhibit A. What in the hell is the President doing?

[B]

So we'll tell you exactly what he said. We've said this before. He was kind of on one last night, or at least when he was starting to put these together. If you ever go to his Truth social media page, you can tell kind of what was going on with him for the day. Some of them are just sometimes it's so many in a row that it's hard to keep up with and it's hard to understand how he has this much time to post all of these things. But this was kind of a. You tried to piece together kind of a unhinged, rapid fire messages that frankly, some of them ropes. He's used to explaining a lot in his messages. It seemed like some of these he was just firing off right quick.

[A]

Yes. And we can start with some of what he wrote on truth social media. The President wrote, it's called seditious behavior at the highest level. That was in all caps. Each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set.

[B]

Their words he's talking about there. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. He didn't like that. These members of Congress, all Democrats, I think all of them had military background.

[A]

They all had military service.

[B]

But they came out, they put this video together, put it out on social media, essentially bringing attention to something and also, I would say, urging members of the military and the intelligence community. You have the right, you do not have to follow unlawful orders. That's the message they were getting out. And that's what upset the President.

[A]

Correct. And so the President went on to say, this is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words again, cannot be allowed to stand. Seditious behavior from traitors. Three exclamation points. Lock them up. Question mark, question mark, question mark.

[B]

That one got me. He seemed like he was fishing for it, like, give me your response. What do you think?

[A]

Yeah. Does anyone else agree that this should happen? And then in a third post, this is among the scariest seditious behavior punishable by death. And he has death in all cases. Caps with an exclamation point. And then he reposted some posts that other truth social users were putting out there after his initial string of posts, including one that said hang them, George Washington. Would.

[B]

We keep talking about temperature going up and down. I don't know how you defend. I don't know how you defend this and say it's not contributing to what is an awful time of political discourse in this country that has led to death, that has led to violence. He didn't just say investigate them. He could have said that. We need to look into this language. This is flat out Rove. This is terrifying because someone sees this as marching orders. Someone sees this as well. He's given me permission. Will someone also see this and go, well, my guy's in the White House. I do this for him. Like he said, maybe he'll pardon me. Like, what is the message here is clear. Like, it's almost. It feels like marching orders. And look, they came back and they said, no, he doesn't actually want them. But man, words, you cannot take this back. And these get amplified. Nobody's amplifying her answer. No, because that's all she said.

[A]

She said. So, yes, she's just said.

[B]

Talking about Carolyn Levitt. Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, Carolyn Levitt. And I actually wanted to read what she went on to say afterwards because she did not bring the temperature down period with her. No. And then she went on to say, many in this room want to talk about the President's response, but not what brought the President to responding in this way. You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a video message to members of the United States military, to active duty service members, to members of national security apparatus encouraging them to defy the President's lawful orders. That is not true. If you read the video, they specifically say to defy illegal orders.

[B]

Yes. That's all they're talking about, obviously. Clearly, plainly, it's exactly what they're talking about here. And she. It's difficult to. She justified him calling for the death possibly of members of Congress. It's justified because what you should be talking about is that video that caused him to react this way. It's really difficult. We do not do politics here. We do not go back and forth with political. With issues and take a stance. We don't do that. But at some point we all have to look at the same thing and agree that the President of the United States should not be calling for the death of members of Congress. If you want to say, well, he didn't really mean it, you can if you want to, fine. But you still cannot argue that this is not helpful to where we are.

[A]

And we are not ad libbing or inferring from or assuming what he meant by no. We are reading exactly what he said. And I do appreciate, Babe, that you pointed out this is not about politics. This is not about Republicans and Democrats and where we stand politically. This is about what's right and what's wrong and how can anyone defend that language? And I will say this again, having Carolyn Levitt put out in that press briefing room misinformation that these lawmakers were calling for members of the US Military to defy the President's lawful orders is just a bold faced lie.

[B]

Their argument, I guess she would say, is that they believe every order the president has given is, is lawful. I think that is what they would say. Now, plenty of judges at this point, courts have said, no, that is not a lawful deployment of National Guard in this city. On that street, yes, he's lost some of these, but in his mind, it's lawful. I'm just saying in a technical space. She, she's probably believed every word came out of her mouth. That's true.

[A]

I believe she believed what she was saying. She went on to say, Levitt went on to say that the video perhaps is punishable by law. So she agreed with the President on that. And then she added, I'm not a lawyer. I'll leave that to the Department of Justice and the Department of War to decide.

[B]

Okay. It's just, I'm just discouraged. I'm really, really just the temperature this is now, now, we talked about this. Go back to January 6th even, right. People were arguing is, was he inciting an insurrection in that moment in that speech. And people will tell you, yes, it sounds like he was giving marching orders to go up there and fight like hell and all these things. So how, how can anyone hear or listen? A follower, a fringe follower, someone who's not quite right. This is, my God. The president just said their words can't be allowed to stand. This is, he didn't just say trial. He didn't say investigation, punishable by death.

[A]

I just reposted someone suggesting that they should be hanged. That is not, that is not something to be taken lightly. It's not ingest. It's not funny. It's not cute, coy. This is serious. And six Democratic lawmakers, again, who have military service, who served our country are now fearing for their life and their family's safety.

[B]

There are a lot of times. You know what, even the piggy thing, even when that happened, he called a reporter piggy. To whatever degree. He has a different standard that we hold him to. And we heard that even in one day, yeah, Trump and went about our business. It's rare for him to shock the hell out of you. This One's. I'm.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

This is, this is something else. Just given the times we are. And good Lord, Charlie Kirk, after we saw this man gunned down over words, over politics, over somebody saying his words can't be allowed to stand. He can't continue. You shut somebody up.

[A]

Teachers are fired, people are losing their jobs because they suggested something or they made light of a death. And yet the President says what he says. And Carolyn Levitt tells us that we're focused on the wrong thing.

[B]

But aren't there people out there, including maybe many of his supporters, who will see or who will take this and go, yeah, I agree. Who are following his direction and following his policies. They're following his mindset. They're following the way he sees things. I'm trying, I'm really, really trying to be on that side to, to, to look at it from that angle and go, wow, these members of Congress did something so egregious that they should be looked into as treasonous, as seditious. Does it rise to that level? I'm trying to see the other side, into where you would use this type of language, to where you would make this type of suggestion over what they said. I just can't get there.

[A]

I would like to read what they said because I have it here. So folks who are listening, if you haven't watched the video, certainly you should. It's on Senator Alyssa Slotkin's social media pages that the whole video is up there. And certainly it's been running on all the news shows today. But this is what the lawmaker said. We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. The administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law of our Constitution. Now, these lawmakers did not call for any opposition to a specific policy or to a specific order, but they're just saying you actually have a duty as a member of the US Military to uphold the Constitution and to reject any illegal order. They say they made this video because they've been hearing from rank and file members, from their contacts, that people are concerned about being forced to do something that they believe is illegal.

[B]

They stated facts and they stated law, and they stated, do they not yes, this is understood. All of us have some kind of knowledge of that tangentially or whatever that that exists that you're not permitted and you're okay to refuse. Somebody just tells you, hey, go in there and attack that Walmart for me. You're not going to follow that order because it's illegal.

[F]

Right.

[B]

It's very simple stuff. How does that rise to the level of you all are traitors who need to die?

[A]

You got me.

[B]

I'm trying, I'm trying to find. I'm always trying to look at both sides and not just go after and criticize and. But this is just dangerous stuff. How many of these episodes have we done talking about violence, talking about Charlie Kirk, talking about everything that came after that Rose, we could. What the lawmakers were killed up in. Was it Michigan?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This year. Pennsylvania Governor, House set on fire.

[A]

Yes. Nancy Pelosi's husband attacked. I mean, you can keep going on and on. It's been happening in greater numbers over the years. And this, this is the exact opposite of what we need in this country.

[B]

Of bringing the temperature down. Well folks, we, we're not, don't just take our word for it. We certainly got us thinking. A lot of people are talking about treason versus sedition versus insurrection. Those have been thrown around. We'll get some clarity on that. We do have the law here in front of us. Also some famous cases. Maybe you know about the cases of treason, but maybe not the ones having to do with sedition. Stay with us here. We're right back.

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All right, we continue now on this episode of Amy and TJ talking about sedition. The President's tweets in which he said that certain members of Congress who did something he didn't like should possibly be charged with sedition, which is punishable by death. One of my, you know, one of my favorite, favorite, favorite movies. Michael Douglas, American President. You remember that movie?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

There's a great scene with Annette Benning when he first meets her in the White House. She was showing off, talking shit about him in some meeting. He sneaks in, they turn around, they see him there. And he, with a great smile says, let's take him out back and shoot him. And he gets this laugh out of it because it was just this cool moment and it scared everybody in the room. The President's here, we're talking shit about him. And he's. And he made this joke and I always loved that scene in that line because it was delivered perfectly. And it gave you an idea of, I guess, the energy in the room and why something like that sounds so ridiculous that obviously he's joking.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Coming from the President of the United States, clearly he would never call for the death of someone.

[B]

Take him out back and shoot him is what he said in front of all of them. And here we are. That was funny. And it's so ridiculous that it. You'd have to laugh.

[A]

You knew it was a joke. Yes, immediately. Today, not so much.

[B]

We have to take everything he says seriously.

[A]

Wow. It's frightening. So we went and looked up what sedition actually is. And so the US Code defines sedition as this, a crime involving two or more people in the United States for any of the following purposes. To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force and the government of the United States or to wage war against it. To oppose by force the authority of the United States government to prevent, hinder or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States or to take, seize or possess by force any property of the United States.

[B]

This is the one. It has to. This involves conspiracy. Right. It has to be at least.

[A]

At least two people, two or more people in the United States.

[B]

Okay. This is why it jumped out to me when you were talking about this earlier. I'm looking back at Carolyn Levitz. She used some language that seemed to try to set up. Yeah, there it is. You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate like it was specific language.

[A]

But this is the caveat here that really got me. To get a conviction for seditious conspiracy, the government has to prove that the defendants conspired to use force. Simply advocating for the use of force is not the same thing.

[B]

By that definition, this is a non stop.

[A]

It's a moot point.

[B]

Yes. But has impact. Who knows what kind. Yes. They're not going to trial. They're not going to get hauled into court over this. No.

[A]

Yes. And the interesting thing is if you are just a US Citizen and you're convicted of sedition, you can face up to 20 years in prison. But if you are a member of the military, if you are a military member, you can face the death penalty under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And these members of Congress were members of the military. So by that connection you would say it's possible that they could get a death sentence if they were to be convicted of sedition.

[B]

And we tried to find. There are not a lot of cases historically having to do with sedition. We thought there might be a bunch of famous cases. It's actually really not. Not names you would know. But there was. What was the best two years. I guess this was pretty high profile. Members of the Oath Keeper.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes. The. Those who were charged January 6th. January 6th. Yes, there were some sedition charges in a few of those cases, but this is really, really rare. I went and looked. The AP says that in the history of the United States only 12 people have been convicted either through treason or sedition. And we're talking Aaron Burr, we're talking Tokyo Rose, we're Talking very different cases completely.

[B]

Who was Benedict Arnold? We go back to that. He wasn't actually. We consider him a traitor, but he was never formally charged with him.

[A]

He's not on this list.

[B]

My point is you have to go back a ways.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

This isn't used a lot.

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Correct. And so this is just. I mean, I would say the only good thing that has come out of this story is that maybe we as Americans are learning more about our laws or any more. I'm serious. I looked up and learned things I did not know that I wouldn't have looked out or looked at either way. And also looking at the uniformed code of military justice, which is basically what the military is allowed to do when it comes to lawful orders. And I actually looked at all of this too, and it was really interesting. So basically, any person subject to this chapter who willing willfully disobeys a lawful command shall be punished. Okay. So that could be punished by death. So if you disobey a lawful command, that could be punished by death, just by the way. And then if the offense is committed, you just, you end up outside of a war time, you can be court martialed and again, serious significant punishments. But I thought this was interesting. An order is considered lawful. And this is where I think the question is between what the lawmakers are saying and what the President is saying. A military order is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders, or for some other reason beyond the authority of the official issuing it. So it is a little confusing.

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Well, who gets to say whether or not this order is lawful or not? Especially a lot of this stuff is tied up in a court.

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Correct.

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So isn't an illegal order to tell me to go patrol this street because a judge just said this? This is an illegal deployment.

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It is a gray area and very confusing, especially in these times when President Trump is ordering, yes. Members of the military to go in to cities and then you have judges saying you're not allowed to go into said cities. So where whose orders are the lawful ones? It is confusing. It's an interesting conversation. It just doesn't need to be fueled with all this horrific rhetoric.

[B]

That's a good point. We could still be having the same debate without this part being in it. But folks, we just, we listen to us a little bit at all in our pat. You know, we always are on trying to just bring the rhetoric down and words matter and careful of what you say. So we encourage you all to be careful in what you're saying today. And just remember always that words matter. And please be a part of bringing the temperature down in this country if you can. If that's even with a conversation on subway or at the grocery store. Just please, we gotta be better.

[A]

Yeah. Or around the Thanksgiving Thanksgiving dinner this coming week. There's a lot to talk about.

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Here we go.

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