Prince Andrew Loses His Birthright After Epstein Accuser Writes Andrew Acted Like “Having Sex with Me Was his Birthright.”

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Episode: Prince Andrew Loses His Birthright After Epstein Accuser Writes Andrew Acted Like “Having Sex with Me Was his Birthright.”
Date: October 20, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach & TJ Holmes

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Episode Overview

This episode dissects the breaking news that Prince Andrew has relinquished his royal titles amid renewed public pressure and the posthumous publication of Virginia Giuffre’s memoir, "Nobody's Girl." Hosts Amy Robach and TJ Holmes discuss the implications for the royal family, the context of Giuffre's allegations, the public's ongoing fascination with the saga, and the symbolic—but limited—consequences for Prince Andrew. The conversation also explores the broader repercussions for those connected to Jeffrey Epstein’s circle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Prince Andrew's Titles and Royal Status

• [03:34] TJ Holmes introduces the episode, noting Prince Andrew’s six-year “slow fall from grace” is culminating in his giving up his official royal titles. However, he remains Prince Andrew by birthright.
• [04:10] Amy Robach clarifies: "That's his birthright by just being born the son of the Queen. He is a prince," but he loses the Duke of York title and is no longer referred to as "His Royal Highness."
• [04:57] The decision comes amid "mounting public pressure" and with the imminent release of Virginia Giuffre’s memoir, which "seems to have reached a fever pitch."
• [11:15] Although Andrew is giving up titles like Duke of York and knighthoods, the hosts explain, "He retains the dukedom...the Earl of Inverness, the Baron of Killile, and the prestigious role as Royal Knight, Companion of the Order of the Garter," but he agrees not to use them publicly.

2. The Impact and Meaning of Title Removal

• [06:46] Amy Robach notes this step is "just another form of public humiliation" with little real-life impact, as Andrew had already ceased public duties years ago.
• [12:32] A statement from Virginia Giuffre’s family: "We believe that Prince Andrew's decision to give up his titles is vindication for our sister and survivors everywhere."
• [13:28] The hosts point out the process is designed to “allow him to offer to give them up,” letting Andrew “claim that he’s acted honorably, as crazy as it sounds" (Amy Robach).
• [14:16] Prince Andrew's statement:

  “With His Majesty’s agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honors which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me.” (TJ Holmes quoting, 14:16)

3. Virginia Giuffre’s Claims & Book

• [05:39] Discussing Giuffre’s accusations: She alleges she was “loaned over” by Epstein to Prince Andrew three times, including once at 17 (the age of consent in the UK, hosts note).
• [08:14] UK police are investigating whether Prince Andrew tried to orchestrate a “smear campaign” against Giuffre by recruiting police assistance and online trolls.
• [09:23] Her book, out posthumously after her April suicide, is described as making “88 separate references to Prince Andrew across the 400 pages.”
• [30:27] Revealing quote from Giuffre’s book:

  “Prince Andrew acted as if he believed having sex with me was his birthright.” (Amy Robach reading excerpt, 30:27)

• [31:02] The hosts discuss how this line became a major headline and how it ties directly to Andrew's loss of "birthright" status.

4. Wider Fallout and Public Reaction

• [15:13] More damning evidence emerges, such as a recently released email from Andrew to Epstein, written after Andrew publicly claimed to have severed ties, reading “We’re in this together.”
• [16:49] Amy points out, “Obviously he got pressure to do this. This wasn’t just on him,” reflecting the Royal Family’s strategic distancing.
• [26:21] Discussion on Ghislaine Maxwell being the only person imprisoned from Epstein’s inner circle, while Prince Andrew faces only symbolic punishment.
• [27:04] Reflection on Andrew's future: "There's no public outings for him. The life he once had is gone and it's been gone for quite some time. This is just further humiliation" (Amy Robach).
• [29:27] Notable sarcasm by a royal insider:

  "He paid this much money to a woman he... to a woman he never met for something he never did?" (TJ Holmes paraphrasing a royal source)

5. Personal Toll on Andrew and His Family

• [17:06] Side note: His ex-wife, Sarah “Fergie” Ferguson, also loses her Duchess of York title, but she reportedly still resides with Andrew at Royal Lodge.
• [18:46] Conversation touches on their two daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie, who retain their princess titles but are caught in the public fallout.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Title Loss:

  "He has now lost his birthright pretty much in every other way... It's a huge, huge deal. This is another level of disgrace." — Amy Robach, [32:11]

• Royal Family Tactics:

  "By not having the King or parliament... strip him of these titles and allow him to offer to give them up, gives him an opportunity to claim that he's acted honorably, as crazy as it sounds." — Amy Robach, [13:37]

• Public/Media Reaction:

  "[UK] papers have gone a step further... saying that when Prince William becomes King, things will even get more difficult for Prince Andrew." — Amy Robach, [14:43] "It's like every couple of weeks or months, there's another drip, drip, drip, drip, drip." — TJ Holmes, [15:13]

• Giuffre's Accusation (from her memoir):

  “He believed having sex with me was his birthright.” — Virginia Giuffre (read by Amy Robach), [30:27]

• Royal Insider (on settlement):

  "He paid this much money to a woman he never met for something he never did?" — Quoted by TJ Holmes, [29:27]

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Timeline of Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:34 | Introduction of Andrew losing his royal titles (Holmes) | | 04:10 | Clarification of "Prince" as a birthright vs. other formal titles (Robach) | | 05:39 | Summary of Virginia Giuffre's allegations and legal context | | 06:46 | Discussion of the consequences and symbolism of title removal | | 08:14 | Alleged smear campaign against Giuffre investigated by police | | 09:23 | Anticipation of Giuffre's memoir and its significance | | 11:15 | Technical details on titles retained but made dormant | | 12:32 | Statement and reaction from Giuffre’s family | | 13:28 | Strategic optics of Andrew "voluntarily" stepping down | | 14:16 | Prince Andrew’s statement about stepping back and continued denial | | 15:13 | New evidence: “We’re in this together” email with Epstein | | 17:06 | Discussion of Sarah Ferguson and continued residency with Andrew | | 18:46 | The impact on Andrew’s daughters and their continued status | | 26:21 | Reference to Ghislaine Maxwell as only jailed Epstein associate | | 27:04 | Assessment: Little practical change for Andrew beyond more public humiliation | | 29:27 | Highlighting royal skepticism: “Millions to a woman he never met for something he never did?” | | 30:27 | Giuffre’s headline accusation: “having sex with me was his birthright” | | 31:02 | The enduring legacy of these allegations for Andrew | | 32:11 | The symbolic loss of Andrew’s “birthright” represented by lost titles |

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Tone and Language

• Conversational and at times sarcastic or sardonic, especially when discussing the Royal family's public relations tactics and media spin.
• Sympathetic to the plight of survivors and the Giuffre family.
• Candid about the limitations of these measures for Prince Andrew, repeatedly emphasizing the symbolic rather than practical impact.
• Sober regarding the legacy and damage of Epstein’s circle, and the lingering shadow for those connected—especially Prince Andrew.

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Summary Takeaways

• Prince Andrew relinquishes royal titles following years of mounting pressure from both the public and within the royal family related to his association with Jeffrey Epstein and allegations made by Virginia Giuffre.
• The change is largely symbolic; Andrew retains his “prince” birthright and has already lived outside public royal duties for years.
• Virginia Giuffre’s memoir (released after her suicide) renews attention with damning personal accounts and specifics of alleged abuse.
• There is continued scrutiny about whether Prince Andrew or his team orchestrated smear campaigns against Giuffre, now under police investigation in the UK.
• The royal family appears primarily focused on optics rather than substantive justice.
• This episode reflects on the cyclical nature of scandal in royal circles and the enduring impact of association with Epstein.

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Useful for listeners interested in royal family dynamics, the ongoing fallout from Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, and the intersection of public image and actual accountability.

Transcript

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there folks. It is Monday, October 20th, and the six year slow fall from grace for Prince Andrew might be complete after he has now given up all of his royal titles. However, still call him Prince. And with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rose. We hear again, there's a fascination with this story. This is all Epstein related, but Prince Andrew giving up his royal titles. He's still Prince Andrew, though. That's the first thing I think that came to a lot of people's mind. Well, he's not a prince anymore. Well, he is.

[Amy Robach]

That's his birthright by just being born the son of the Queen. He is a prince, but he is.

[TJ Holmes]

He has to hold on to that forever.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. But he is no longer the Duke of York and he will no longer be referred to as His Royal Highness. And with that, he has to relinquish a bunch of other titles and positions that he was given over the years. And most reports have been that this was pressure from the king and he even admitted discussions with the king. But certainly there has been a lot of mounting public pressure on him over the past six years. And certainly with this book coming out, Virginia Giuffre's book coming out posthumously tomorrow, a lot of folks, I mean, this conversation has never gone away, but it seems to have reached a fever pitch.

[TJ Holmes]

This is, folks, as you know, Prince Andrew, is that the name besides Trump? This is a name of the highest profile name. Now, let me be careful and let me say this correctly. There is no one who is accusing President Trump of anything, any wrongdoing having to do with any underage.

[Amy Robach]

In fact, Virginia Giuffre, who has obviously made these claims against Epstein and certainly against Prince Andrew, has gone out of her way and went out of her way to praise President Trump.

[TJ Holmes]

So let me say that and let us make sure we get that clear. However, he has been dogged by his affiliation with Epstein. Prince Andrew, however, is the other in the highest profile name, but robes. He is accused of criminal wrongdoing.

[Amy Robach]

Correct Virginia Giuffre has said repeatedly that she was loaned over to him, so to speak, but by Epstein at the age of 17, but three specific times and once when she was 17, it was noted that 17 is the age of consent in the UK. And so was this a crime or not? Regardless, it is not a good look and certainly not anything that the Royal Family wants to be a part of.

[TJ Holmes]

What was it? Seven once was here in New York at Epstein's place. The. His private island was another. And then London, I believe was another place she said this took place and she names Prince Andrew. He hasn't faced any criminal charges related to this, but as far as the public scrutiny being essentially kicked out of the Royal Family for all intents and purposes, and also the financial settlement this has dogged and will continue to dog him. And this now robes. It sounds like another big deal. It sounds like another big whoop dee doo that he is no longer going to have these titles. But for all intents and purposes it's not necessarily going to change the life he's been living the past six years because he already gave up royal duties.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. So this is just another form of public humiliation.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

And that is what this is, a public reckoning, so to speak. It doesn't have any actual. Yes, real life impact on him, but certainly this is a big deal. And look, that he denies all of this and even with in relinquishing these titles, is still denying any involvement with Virginia Giuffre. And there is a picture that has been around for years now and it was one that she even actually showed me. But he claims it's a fake. It's not real, but it's fairly undeniable. Anyone who wants to go and look at this picture, he has his arm around her, you see Ghislaine Maxwell behind them. Everyone's smiling, but she looks so young.

[TJ Holmes]

We say go look at it. We've all been looking at this picture for years now. It's the picture that's always thrown in there. But it has to be said, he has at every turn said he has done absolutely nothing wrong. Now this came back up and there's. We're not finding or we're not hearing it as much here in the us when big things happen with the Royal Family, it makes headlines over there. It's a headline every single day that they're covering this. And what's happened over there over the past several days, is that some. Yes, you have Virginia Duffrey's book coming out, but also we're now that they're actually looking into some wrongdoing, not the wrongdoing having to do with sexual abuse. But the police over there are now looking into a recent allegation that's come up.

[Amy Robach]

That is correct. So they are looking into whether or not Prince Andrew somehow asked a member of the police force to get involved with basically making Virginia Giuffre look bad, a smear campaign, so to speak, behind the scenes when he heard she was going to be speaking out and speaking up about his alleged involvement with, with her and Jeffrey Epstein. And so now because of this new report, it has been confirmed that police over there are in fact investigating whether or not this took place.

[TJ Holmes]

And again, what, what, what punishment might come from that? Nothing, excuse me, I should say nothing compared to what could come from something like a, a sexual abuse conviction, of being hauled into court for that. But this is still something they're looking into and it is new. And this is something. Her book is coming out tomorrow. Right. Would you need, you'd fray the new book, her memoir again, she died in April of this year, correct? By suicide. But she mentions as well in the book, at least excerpts we've seen, that seems to give some kind of credence to this idea that he was trying to smear her.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. And she said that in the book, she claims that Prince Andrew's team tried to, what she said, hire Internet trolls to hassle her online. So that's in addition to perhaps even having a member of his security team, according to her, smear her behind the scenes. So that's all a part of it. Now, we, we, we will probably, I think we definitely will run out and get her book tomorrow when it comes out, but there have been several outlets that have had early release and they've been able to go through it. And according to one UK paper in her autobiography, autobiography that is released tomorrow, that she makes 88 separate references to Prince Andrew across the 400 pages. So he is a huge part of this book and a lot of people are waiting to see what she says specifically, if there's anything different or more than what we've heard publicly from her before the time of her death.

[TJ Holmes]

Now, these titles he's giving up again, I only hear him referred to as Prince Andrew, but it's a very big deal over there. He was called the Duke of York. That was a title that was given to him by his late mother, the Queen. He is. And I'm so sorry to put you on the spot. We can look it up real quick. He's a Younger brother of the king. But how much younger is he than. Than the king? I can't remember. But Prince Andrew is the younger brother of the king. We talked about the titles that he is essentially giving up there. There's all kinds of titles and there's a, a knighthood organization, the oldest order of knights that he was a part of. He's having to give that up. Yes, that hurts you. And that's, that's pride and that's public shaming. But to your point as well, you said earlier, Prince, that will not go away. Now, the family does want it. The family of Virginia Giuffre, they let it be known. Yeah, we want the prince title taken away. I don't know. It would take an act of Parliament, an act of trying to get that from him as well. But that, like you said, it's his birth right.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So. So he has now, in conjunction with talking with the king, is agreed to obviously not use these titles. But as you point out, he retains the dukedom. He retains the title of the Earl of Inverness, the Baron of. I'm not going to say this right, Killile, and the prestigious role as Royal Knight, Companion of the Order of the Garter. And so they say that these titles are going to become dormant. He still has them technically, but he's agreed not to use them in any public way or formally. So, yes, an act of congress, it would require for him to be formed formally, officially stripped of these titles. So it is a matter of, I guess, a tech technicality, so to speak, on British law. But yeah, we heard from Virginia's family. They say we've actually got the statement from them. We, the family of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, believe that Prince Andrew's decision to give up his titles is vindication for our sister and survivors everywhere. The decisive action is a powerful step forward in our fight to bring Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's child sex trafficking network to justice. Further, we believe it is appropriate for King Charles to remove the title of prince.

[TJ Holmes]

Again, he is not necessarily allowed to do it on his own, but still, it's, it's something they want. It's symbolic. At this point. He's not going to jail. Right. Continue with the humiliation, continue to take things away from him that they don't believe he has a right to. Now, we found out about all of this a couple days ago through a statement from Prince Andrew himself. In a statement in which he once again defended himself and denied any wrongdoing, he said, and I quote in discussion with the King and my immediate and wider family. We have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the Royal family. I have decided, as I always have, to put my duty to my family and country first. I stand by my decision five years ago to stand back from public life. And again, he hasn't been a working royal, which is a big deal, to not be a work this family goes around does.

[Amy Robach]

That's what they do. That's the family business.

[TJ Holmes]

It is your responsibility. You do have a duty to the Royal Family. Now to make it sound as if it sounded noble.

[Amy Robach]

So. Yeah, so that's what people have been saying, that it's allowing him, by not having the King or parliament or whomever strip him of. Of these titles and allow him to offer to give them up. Gives him an opportunity to claim that he's acted honorably, as crazy as it sounds.

[TJ Holmes]

Saving some face.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Because now he is defending the monarchy by falling on a sword. So he looks as if he is now doing something for the family instead of actually being punished by the family. So it's a different look.

[TJ Holmes]

He continued here with his statement saying, with His Majesty's agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honors which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me. And that was it. Couple of lines. And that's it. That's over. When we're going to see him again, we do not know. As far as the public events, as the Christmas one, the only one he's. No. The Easter one, it's only one he's allowed to.

[Amy Robach]

And he has been invited to family gatherings and weddings and all of those sorts of things. But look, the. The papers in Great Britain have gone a step further. They're saying that when Prince William becomes King, things will even get more difficult for Prince Andrew. That all remains to be seen. But certainly there is a group of folks who want that to happen, who thinks more should be done, that he should be completely wiped away, basically from the public eye when it comes to the Royal Family.

[TJ Holmes]

But it's driving the Royal Family crazy. It's not like we can just rip off the Band Aid, get this done in one scandal. It's like every couple of weeks or months, there's another drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. And the latest drip was the papers over there putting out this email between Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, allegedly between the two in which. What was the line he said in there? Oh, my God, it was a line he used in there that everybody said, what the hell? Oh yeah, we're in this together.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

That was an email between those two.

[Amy Robach]

To light recently which caused, as you might imagine, yes. This was, I believe, months after he claimed that he had stopped speaking to Epstein. The revelations had been made about what Epstein actually had been up to in terms of sex trafficking and minors and all of that. So this is supposedly three months after he publicly distanced himself from him and then sends him an email that says we're in this together. That's fairly damning.

[TJ Holmes]

So that's one of the things like here it's, it didn't make necessarily the headlines. It's everything and everywhere over there. And that's why there's been kind of this, I guess renewed outcry, this renewed backlash against the Royal family, against Andrew that they now have made he and you. Obviously he didn't just walk in and say, hey guys, I think I want to do this.

[Amy Robach]

Absolutely not.

[TJ Holmes]

Obviously he got pressure to do this. This wasn't just on him.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, 100%. And it's just been nonstop and they have been looking for ways to further distance themselves. And this is just the latest.

[TJ Holmes]

I only know, you know what I don't keep up with. And we in this country, we keep up with. We have a fascination with the royals. We do, obviously. I'm not sure how and why is it robes? What was her scandal that when you say Duchess of York, I always know who that is.

[Amy Robach]

Fergie.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. Why? I can't remember what her thing was, but I don't. They all have the Duke of this, the Duchess of that. I don't know who's who, but I always remember the Duchess of York as Sarah Ferguson and she is no longer the Duchess of York because of this.

[Amy Robach]

She is no longer the Duchess of York. But guess what? I didn't realize this. Both Prince Andrew. I had to make sure I could say Prince Andrew. Pris. Andrew and Fergie still live in Royal Lodge.

[TJ Holmes]

It's a big house.

[Amy Robach]

Thirty years after they've been divorced. They are still. But they're thick as thieves. Like they really do still hang out with one another. Obviously they have their two daughters together. But there have been, there has been much written about how the King and other members of the Royal family have encouraged Prince Andrew and Fergie to move out of. I believe it's a 30 room crown estate property in Windsor Windsor Lodge. Windsor, yes. Windsor Great Park. Yes. So their Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park. But they are still there. They are still living there. And according to most, he is still a very wealthy individual. He was able to sell a property that his mother, the Queen gave him as a wedding present for I guess 15 million euros, so whatever that amounts to in US dollars. So he's gonna be okay regardless, financially speaking, wherever it is he lives. But right now he's still there.

[TJ Holmes]

But yeah, I just thought she, it's weird she loses that title in all this, that's all. I know her and I don't know anybody else.

[Amy Robach]

I'm surprised. Did she still have it even after the divorce? I don't know how it works.

[TJ Holmes]

Apparently still was, still was the Duchess of York. I, I don't know how it works over there either. But the daughters do keep, to keep, keep their titles of princess as well, which is interesting for them.

[Amy Robach]

That's got to be really tough.

[TJ Holmes]

What, to have their dad be this guy.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. Okay. Yes. And to be still mingling and a part of the royal family in more of the four show roles. And certainly they're there on the balcony, you see Eugenie and I'm trying to think who the other Beatrice. Yes, we see them always alongside other members of the Royal family. I'm just saying that's, that's got to be a tough position to be in, you know.

[TJ Holmes]

How old are the girls now? I'm asking about everybody's age. How old? I see them every once in a while. They show up at everything. Seem, they seem to be, they're, they're married and.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, are they kids.

[TJ Holmes]

I believe I realized. All right, well folks, stay with us here as we continue looking up the ages and marital status of the Royal family. When we come back here, we'll tell you more about Virginia Giuffre's claims against Prince Andrew, more about her book that's coming out and Prince Andrew's life now that he's given up the titles. What happens to it now?

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[Amy Robach]

Each and every one of a sudden lights. Someone like comes running up to me and it's Salma Hayek. And she's like, you are my Ugly Betty. And I was like, what is she even talking about? Listen to Viva Betty. As part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys. It's Stephanie, Beatriz and Melissa Fumaro. And this is more better. We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you, your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sand. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes. God, that sucks so hard though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah, we had so much fun last season. Laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing? Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them? I'm like, this has no friends. This time around, we are. Say it, Melissa. Should I say it? Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you loved in season one. All the things. Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to More better on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

Michael Lewis here. My book the Big Short tells the story of the buildup and burst of the US housing market back in 2008. It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become and eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploding. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release, and a decade after it became an Academy Award winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook edition for the very first time. The Big Short story. What it means when people start betting against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been, offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin FM or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Amy Robach]

I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejoan. And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostrichon. And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by. Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golfo de Mexico. No, the America El Golfo de Mexico. Continuous forever and ever. It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this, in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights. Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, folks, we continue now with the story Prince Andrew giving up all of his titles and honors. More backlash after his association with Jeffrey Epstein, of course. Epstein, the convicted sex offender, died by suicide while awaiting trial here in New York. Of course, Ghislaine Maxwell is the only person in prison right now.

[Amy Robach]

Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

Who is serving any jail time and has been punished for what happened in Epstein's circle. Prince Andrew, the other. We're just talking about him losing the titles, which means that his ex wife Sarah Ferguson loses the title of Duchess of York. The daughters keep the title of Princess. And you were saying they are moving on, doing okay.

[Amy Robach]

They're grown women. Yes. Princess Beatrice is 37 and is married. Princess Eugenie is 35 and married. So yes, they are both going to still be called Her Royal Highness Princess. So that is how they are still referred to. And they will not lose any sort of title or any, any sort of status within the royal family.

[TJ Holmes]

Now, Prince Andrew, we talked about here robes. I. We've been looking at this for quite a while. I was trying to find anywhere, somewhere where his life was about to change. Like what? Now that this has happened, there's more public humiliation. And again, it was already there. He had the epine staying with him. He doesn't get to go to family events. What is actually. Have you seen. What have you seen that is actually going to change in his life, that he is going to feel the impact of this?

[Amy Robach]

I can't. It doesn't seem as if much is other than he's just further, further publicly humiliated. He's. I can't imagine it's a good thing for him to walk around and just be noticed and it that I'm sure he is very much just low key at this point. I. There's no, there's no public outings for him. The life he once had is gone and it's been gone for quite some time. And this is just further humiliation to a already probably sheltered life. He tried to do that interview in 2019 and it ended up blowing up in his face. He thought he was going to save face. And the thing. As long as he continues to deny even knowing Virginia Giuffre, let alone having done anything untoward with her and certainly denying that this photograph is not real. I mean it's just tough to have any sort of way forward if you're denying and you won't accept any responsibility. I think that's the hard thing. Like on one hand he's allowing all of these titles to be stripped from him. He is going along with all of that and yet at the same time refusing to admit any sort of behavior that contributed to the situation. So therefore you can never go forward, he can never move on because he's Denying everything and yet allowing certain punishments to be put in place. Those two things don't jive. If you were absolutely innocent, you would fight to the end to clear your name.

[TJ Holmes]

Is that what he's doing? I mean, he keeps denying. I mean, is that him fighting to the end? I don't know. He's 65 years old now. And to your. You made me think of. If you remember who said it, please jump in. There was a quote from somebody in the. From the royal office over there about what you were saying. He keeps denying. He said, let me get this right. He paid this much money to a woman he.

[Amy Robach]

Millions.

[TJ Holmes]

To a woman he never met for something he never did? It was supposed to be sarcastic, like.

[Amy Robach]

Correct, Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

Paid all this money to somebody you never met for something you never did? Okay, yes. Right.

[Amy Robach]

It doesn't. It doesn't jive. And I think, obviously anyone who has looked into the story even remotely could put those two things together. That doesn't work. You don't pay someone millions of dollars. You don't allow for all of your titles and. And very prestigious honors to be taken away from you, and at the same time say, well, I didn't do it, but, okay, I'll write this check and I'll go away and go into hiding, and I'll never, ever be called your royal Highness again. I'll lose my dukedom. I mean, you just wouldn't do those things. You wouldn't willingly do those things if you were completely innocent.

[TJ Holmes]

And this is something he will never. I mean, I don't know what could possibly happen. I don't know he could ever get away from. There is a woman who died by suicide this year who went to her grave saying that Prince Andrew sexually abused her when she was 17 years.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. And that book is coming out tomorrow on Tuesday. Nobody's Girl is the name of the book. And one of the. Look again, we haven't read through the book yet. Looking forward to doing so tomorrow. But one of the big lines that had been released by many, many news agencies is that she wrote before her death. Giuffre wrote that Prince Andrew acted as if he believed having sex with me was his birthright. That was the headline everywhere when certain excerpts started coming out from her book. And that's one that he is not going to survive in terms of just his role in the royal family.

[TJ Holmes]

Maybe this was part of it, too. Just getting ahead of what's coming with this book. Maybe that was a part of it as well, but it just. He can't get away from. What was the thing here in New York? Even in New York, they were the. The storage place. You remember the sign?

[Amy Robach]

Oh, yes.

[TJ Holmes]

It was safe, secure, with minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. This was like a random store.

[Amy Robach]

I'm amazed you remember that, because it was everywhere. It was shocking.

[TJ Holmes]

It was. That's not funny. Even though it is. Right. They made a joke. A Manhattan storage company uses that. They do some playful ones. They are known. Was it Manhattan Storage?

[Amy Robach]

Right? Yes, yes. They love to have some fun with it.

[TJ Holmes]

They poke fun at a bunch of stuff. But that safe, secure and with minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. That is what is chasing him, right? Trump went over and he's greeted by Epstein. Photos being put up on the council. And then over here, you got this thing just Epstein and His death was 2019.

[Amy Robach]

2019 was his death.

[TJ Holmes]

Just to think, think the impact he is still having. Anybody who was in his orbit and how their lives have changed. But that's it. Prince Andrew is still Prince Andrew, but that's the only title he still has.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So, yeah, even I. I do find it ironic, though, with Virginia writing about how he thought it was his birthright to have her, basically, he has now lost his birthright pretty much in every other way. In terms of all of the titles and just the dukedom, I mean, it's a huge, huge deal. This is another level of disgrace. I believe they said that no royal family member has been stripped of their dukedom. It's been over a hundred years. So this is virtually unprecedented and certainly in modern times to have a prince lose his titles the way Prince Andrew has now. Officially, we will continue to keep our eye on this story. It is certainly still developing with the book out tomorrow. But in the meantime, thank you so much for listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

[TJ Holmes]

Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the nimrods who almost pulled it off. It was kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer.

[Amy Robach]

That was dumb. Do not follow my example.

[TJ Holmes]

Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one of them will end up dead and the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream, a nature.

[TJ Holmes]

Reserve and a Spectacular new home.

[Amy Robach]

But little by little, they lose it.

[TJ Holmes]

They actually lose it.

[Amy Robach]

They sort of went nuts until one.

[TJ Holmes]

Night, everything spins out of control.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unstoppable, solved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[TJ Holmes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. Sa mi gente. It's Ana Ortiz and I'm Mark and Delicato. You might know us as Hilda and Justin from Ugly Betty. Welcome to our new podcast, Viva Betty.

[TJ Holmes]

Yay.

[Amy Robach]

We're rewatching the series from start to finish and talking to iconic guests like.

[TJ Holmes]

Betty herself, America Ferreira.

[Amy Robach]

There was this moment when the glasses went on and it was like, this is our Betty. Listen to Viva Betty on the iHeartRadio.

[TJ Holmes]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[TJ Holmes]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Amy Robach]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what the hell?

[TJ Holmes]

Basically, your stay at home moms were.

[Amy Robach]

Picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[TJ Holmes]

All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw.

[Amy Robach]

The flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.