Recovery Run: Watching Seagulls Is Our New Netflix

Summary

Podcast Summary: Recovery Run: Watching Seagulls Is Our New Netflix

Podcast Information:

• Title: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: Recovery Run: Watching Seagulls Is Our New Netflix
• Release Date: July 12, 2025

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Introduction to the Recovery Run

The episode titled "Recovery Run: Watching Seagulls Is Our New Netflix" delves into the personal lives of hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes as they navigate the intense experience of covering the high-profile Diddy trial. Transitioning from the heavy subject matter, the hosts introduce the concept of a "recovery run"—a short, low-intensity run intended to aid physical and mental recuperation after a taxing week.

• Amy Robach [03:19]: “We are runners and it means something in the running world to have a recovery run.”
• T.J. Holmes [04:16]: “We need a break. This is here on the mics from what is a long, a difficult and sometimes intense week.”

The Impact of Covering the Diddy Trial

Robach and Holmes discuss the emotional and mental strain of continuously covering the Diddy trial, highlighting how constant exposure to negative and heavy content can lead to burnout and emotional exhaustion.

• Amy Robach [04:54]: “The material was very heavy and dark and complicated and you felt torn in a lot of ways. So it was emotionally taxing as well.”
• T.J. Holmes [05:19]: “People have high rates of divorce, have high rates of alcoholism and all these. Look, we see and we do.”

Strategies for Mental and Physical Recovery

To mitigate the stress from their professional lives, the hosts share their personal strategies for maintaining mental and physical health. Music plays a significant role in their recovery routines, with Holmes emphasizing its healing properties.

• T.J. Holmes [06:40]: “Music is healing everything. It is everything to me.”
• Amy Robach [09:33]: “I'm getting into Gabby Bernstein's new book, Self Help. It really gives me tools to get through the day better and to be a better human.”

A Memorable Trip to Turks: Embracing Nature and Mindfulness

Robach and Holmes recount their trip to Turks, where they found solace in nature and unexpected moments of joy. A standout experience was watching seagulls attempt to drink from their pool, which provided both humor and a lesson in mindfulness.

• Amy Robach [18:45]: “We ended up poolside watching a show of seagulls... It was like a comedy and a drama all in one, provided by nature.”
• T.J. Holmes [20:58]: “It was absolutely a wonderful, just separation of the real world.”

Encounter with a Heisman Trophy Winner

During their vacation, the hosts had an amusing encounter with Travis Hunter, the number one overall NFL draft pick and Heisman Trophy winner. Despite the fleeting nature of the sighting, it added a lighthearted moment to their trip.

• T.J. Holmes [13:12]: “We were in a cabana... he was snorkeling and didn't realize who he was.”
• Amy Robach [15:23]: “I was enjoying the surf and the sand and the sun with the Heisman.”

Lessons in Self-Care and Presence

The key takeaway from the episode centers on the importance of self-care and being present in the moment. Whether it's recognizing physical limits during a run or appreciating simple moments like watching seagulls, the hosts emphasize the need to prioritize personal well-being amidst professional pressures.

• Amy Robach [17:03]: “I have to say, did I mention how hot it was in Turks? It was punishing.”
• T.J. Holmes [21:30]: “You cannot forget, folks, you cannot forget to smile. It's okay.”

Conclusion: Embracing Recovery and Encouraging Listeners

In wrapping up, Robach and Holmes reflect on their experiences and encourage listeners to adopt similar recovery practices. They highlight the significance of taking breaks, enjoying nature, and maintaining mental and physical health as crucial components of a balanced life.

• Amy Robach [23:31]: “I love prioritizing recovery. It's a reminder to me even throughout the week, wait, what am I doing? What am I doing to recover?”
• T.J. Holmes [23:27]: “Whatever it is for you, you got to at some point, as tough as things have been, it's been a tough week.”

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Notable Quotes:

• Amy Robach [04:54]: “The material was very heavy and dark and complicated and you felt torn in a lot of ways.”
• T.J. Holmes [06:40]: “Music is healing everything. It is everything to me.”
• Amy Robach [17:03]: “I felt dizzy, I felt dehydrated. I felt overheated. And I thought, what am I trying to prove?”
• T.J. Holmes [21:30]: “You cannot forget to smile. It's okay to smile and enjoy the best you can.”

Key Themes:

• Mental Health: Addressing the emotional toll of covering intense news stories and the importance of mental breaks.
• Physical Well-being: The role of recovery runs in maintaining physical health.
• Mindfulness: Appreciating simple moments and being present.
• Personal Growth: Learning to listen to one's body and recognizing the strength in taking a step back.

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This episode offers a heartfelt and insightful look into the lives of two prominent journalists as they balance demanding careers with personal well-being. Through relatable anecdotes and practical advice, Robach and Holmes provide listeners with valuable lessons on managing stress, embracing self-care, and finding joy in everyday moments.

Transcript

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[Amy Robach]

Yes, this is something every runner, especially a long distance runner, does. At least we try to do it once a week. It's a short, low intensity run and it's supposed to help your body recover after all the hard workouts from the week. It's meant to be easy and relaxed. It shouldn't over exert the body. I actually love this. It's, it's supposed to go around 20 to 30 minutes, which is exactly what our podcast typically is.

[TJ Holmes]

This is the recovery. We need a break. This is here on the mics from what is a long, a difficult and sometimes intense week. And Rose, one of the, one of the things that did lift some weight and that helped recovery was just getting past the Diddy trial. Look. Yes, it was a lot of work for us time wise, hours wise, stayed up late and getting up really early. But just to not be constantly in that content folks could avoid it. Didn't have to read article, didn't have to watch tv. We were reading so much in transcripts of that thing that it's nice to not be reading that stuff anymore.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, the material was very heavy and dark and complicated and you felt torn in a lot of ways. So it was emotionally taxing as well. And yeah, we were constantly looking for, for the updates and what's happening next. So with that now in the rearview mirror, that does create a huge sense of relaxation and relief in that stuff.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't. I think sometimes I think what businesses they talk about, I think it's. Was it firefighters? Is it. There are certain professions, journalists among them, where people have high rates of divorce, have high rates of alcoholism and all these. Look, we see and we do. We don't think about it that much. I don't think we're desensitized to it. We don't think about it anymore. But when you're constantly consuming, consuming negative, negative, negative. You can go back to, I mean, January, we're still talking about the fires in la. Just think about that every day. Every day. Every day we're seeing death and destruction.

[Amy Robach]

The Texas flooding has been really hard. I have actually tried to. Because I know, look, if we had still been working at abc, we know where we'd be. We'd be in Texas and telling those stories and seeing all of those children's faces and being parents and knowing that we've sent our kids to summer camps for three weeks at a time where they haven't had access to their phones. You start thinking about all the what ifs and what could have been and you put yourself in those parents positions and it's. It's extremely heavy. There can be good that comes out of it. I know having covered a lot of this, I would go home and be more appreciative of my kids and hug them more and tell them I love them. And I now never leave the house or leave a phone conversation or get on a plane without saying I love you because of all the things we cover. But yeah, it is heavy and hard.

[TJ Holmes]

And again, we do recovery runs because we come on, we talk about the things that we do, like we're conscious of doing to help us calm down, to help us be in better physical and mental health. This was one we had nothing to do with, but it came about and we appreciate it. One, for me, that's always a big deal is music. We talked about it this morning, one day, this morning on the morning run about Justin Bieber's new album. His new album came out and we had it on while we were working and it was just too mellow of a vibe. This is not a knock against Justin. He was just putting out a different type of album. It was a little darker, more poignant stuff, and we had to turn it off because we need music.

[Amy Robach]

You put Carly Rae Jepsen on?

[TJ Holmes]

No, that song. No, I came out from the bathroom. You were dancing at the table today. No, I didn't put that. But we had. And we had to put an upbeat, a fun playlist on and music is healing everything. It is everything to me. But I fell into this thing this week where I was listening to a lot of rap music that had choirs in it for whatever reason. That was my thing, going to church, J. Cole, Common, a boy out of Chicago, Chance the Rapper. I don't know why, I got onto a kick and I had a whole playlist going of that music and it felt great to me. So whatever your thing might be, music is always something. And probably every week I have a new genre or a new thing, sub genre of music I just fall into. And that was great for me this week.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. When I run next to you, you're going at it like it's so cute. I think it's so sweet. I can hear you even through my music sometimes, especially when I'm listening to an audiobook, I can hear you singing along and getting all into the music. It's, it's. I love it. I think that's. No, that's so sexy. It's one of my favorite things about you. I love that you just get into it and you're in the moment. You're not thinking about what you have to do later today or all the stuff we just talked about, all the heavy, heavy news. You are in the moment and just. It's pure joy.

[TJ Holmes]

Sounds embarrassing.

[Amy Robach]

No, it's, it's, it's subtle, but it's cute. I, it's. I really, really like that. I love how much you love music because it does, it is transforming. We always have music playing. Always. For me, I have really been getting into Gabby Bernstein's new book, Self Help. It's funny, the title says it all, but it really is about helping yourself and finding this. It's a very specific way of going into why you do what you do, understanding why you do it, and then doing better. So when I run, especially a longer run, I do love listening to my self help books where I'm making my mind better along with my body. Everything's getting stronger and I feel empowered. It just gives me tools to get through the day better and to be a better human.

[TJ Holmes]

This is her latest one, Self Help.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So I've been listening to that on some of my long runs, which I appreciate.

[TJ Holmes]

See, I don't know how you do that. I cannot listen to. The only thing I can listen to is stand up comedy, but I cannot listen to a book Or a show. When I run, I gotta be going.

[Amy Robach]

I'm actually now. So now our runs are getting longer. We're training for the Stockholm Half Marathon at the end of August. And when I know I've got longer runs on, I actually. The music gets. It's repetitive. I have the same music playing over and over again. And it's just. I'm not like you. I don't take the time to make playlists. I wish I was more like that. You send me. I'm. Sometimes, I beg you, will you send me a playlist to mix it up a little bit? But I actually will get it. I'm gonna find myself a good murder mystery. Because I love, like, actually, it feels like I'm watching a movie in my mind as I'm running. I can completely disassociate from the pain. Like who? Like, after a few miles, you're just like, when is this ending? So if I'm in a book and I'm really into the story, how do.

[TJ Holmes]

You do somebody talking to you?

[Amy Robach]

I love it.

[TJ Holmes]

Two hours?

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

That's insane.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, I can do a full, like, half marathon with a audiobook.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Amy Robach]

I love it.

[TJ Holmes]

And you don't. Do you not have a long list of playlists in your Spotify?

[Amy Robach]

Not enough. No, it just. It's too much. I'm one of those. It just takes too much time. So sometimes I let the DJ do it or, you know, like a running mix that. That Spotify or AI makes for me. And I always hate half the songs.

[TJ Holmes]

See, that's. I'm very specific. I'm very intentional in my playlist, and I will make one for whatever mood that day. And I name them all. All kind. I'm looking.

[Amy Robach]

You would have made mixtapes for me back in the day.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, my God. I would have dubbed them and labeled them. Oh, that would have been great. My playlist, I'm looking at the title one is called New one is called under the Sea. There's a. No. Vaseline. Cake by the Ocean. Amen.

[Amy Robach]

No Vaseline. I'm sorry. I didn't want to just let that one go by without explanation.

[TJ Holmes]

You know what? This will make sense. You know what this is? It's titled that because it includes a track from Ice Cube, which was a diss track that he did back in the early 90s, I think. And so the whole playlist is just diss tracks from rappers over the years. That's my diss track playlist, Vaseline. See, I have. I'm very specific this is why I don't have any issues running. But yes.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, my goodness.

[TJ Holmes]

Everything to me. We talked earlier as well, something we did. We did get out of town with the girls for vacation at a beach for a little while in Turks. We could say that. I think we told folks we were in Turks. There were a particular highlight of Turks for us every time we go. We don't have a pet here in New York, but we have one in Turks. And we love this cat.

[Amy Robach]

This cat we've named Oreo, but we found out that she has multiple names from. What are some.

[TJ Holmes]

Sam is. I think what they named her name.

[Amy Robach]

Sam. Chloe was another name. That's just some rando bread.

[TJ Holmes]

That's ridiculous.

[Amy Robach]

That's a silly name. She's Oreo and always will be to us. But we are able to go back and she finds us every time. And she has really been a huge part of our weeks there. And she's. She just makes us happy.

[TJ Holmes]

We can't downplay this. This is a. I mean, look, they say animals all the time. They're therapy animals or whatever. And hell, people take them to schools or take them to places where people have had tragedies. And animals do this for us, and it changes everything. I think we took more pictures of that cat than we did of ourselves and our kids. We were on that trip.

[Amy Robach]

Look how cute she is. Look how sweet she is. And she's the friendliest cat. Like, obviously, cats get a bad rap for making you come to them. She comes to us. She comes and snuggles up next to us, and it's just. It just brings you peace. I love it.

[TJ Holmes]

We enjoy the. The highlight. That Oreo is always a highlight, but one of the highlights. And I can say this now, we're not revealing anything, but there was a point. Look, I think everybody knows you're not a huge sports fan. You keep up. You love college football.

[Amy Robach]

I love college football.

[TJ Holmes]

Love college football. But we are at the spot there in Turks and we're hanging out, folks, and by the pool, we're in a cabana kind of a thing. And somebody just strolls right by. And you can't see them that long because we're in a cabana. We have full view. So goes by and only see him for a split second or two. And I tap your daughter Anneliese, who is a University of Colorado student. And I said, yo, see who that was? She said, no, who was it? And it was none other than number one overall NFL draft pick and Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter. She Goes crazy. Robach says, who? She thinks it's Shador Sanders. Just walked through Colorado.

[Amy Robach]

I knew who that was.

[TJ Holmes]

So it doesn't end there. This was really hilarious to me, and maybe we should post this picture later. Yeah, we do have it, but the girls are in the pool, in the ocean later. Just kind of. What were y' all doing? Just having your drinks, standing around, just enjoying the water?

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, we were just cooling off. It was hot.

[TJ Holmes]

So I stay on the beach. I stay out of the water.

[Amy Robach]

You're not a beach guy or not a ocean guy?

[TJ Holmes]

So I'm taking a picture of Robot. She's looking back at me. The girls are all kind of around, and I have this great shot of someone snorkeling. Not in our group, just another person snorkeling. Literally three feet maybe, from robes. And I'm trying to point. Trying to get it. Never sees it. They get out of the water later. I said, babe, did you see the Heisman Trophy winner, number one overall draft pick, just almost literally swam up your butt and you didn't even turn around?

[Amy Robach]

I had no clue that's who that was. I'm like, that's who that was. I saw the couple snorkeling. I didn't know it was them.

[TJ Holmes]

See, this is funny to me. You know, how many people in the world want access to this kid to have a moment with him? A picture, a selfie, an autograph, a conversation. You were snorkeling.

[Amy Robach]

I was enjoying the surf and the sand and the sun with the Heisman.

[TJ Holmes]

Winner and didn't even know. Oh, we got to post that picture now.

[Amy Robach]

That's funny. All right, we will. We will. Oh, and something el. Oh, this was something that I actually felt like was a good moment for me. It's about recovery. It's about recognizing your body, recognizing when you're pushing yourself too hard. I don't. I don't think any runner likes to quit. I don't like to quit, but I have to say, did I mention how hot it was in Turks? It was. Yeah. It never got out of the 80s and high humidity. And that's not my jam so much when we're running. So we got up. I mean, we were running at like, 6:45 in the morning. Correct. But we had a six miler that we had to do for our training run, and I was pushing myself by two miles. I knew I was. My face was red. I was feeling hot and dizzy.

[TJ Holmes]

I'll give you this. The entire three miles was going in one direction, directly towards the sun. With no shade for three miles. That's tough.

[Amy Robach]

It was punishing. So I turned around and you had gotten ahead of me, and I said, just go, go, go. I'm going to be slower. I had to take a some walking breaks, which I, again, am not proud of. And I finally got to 5.37 miles, and you had texted me like you were almost back to the car, and I just said, babe, I have to call it. Can you just please come pick me up? Have I ever said that to you?

[TJ Holmes]

Well, you rarely have the luxury of having me come pick you up, right?

[Amy Robach]

We don't have a car. That is so true.

[TJ Holmes]

But.

[Amy Robach]

But I made a decision, and I felt like this was actually a smart decision. I felt dizzy, I felt dehydrated. I felt overheated. And I thought, what am I trying to prove? Who am I trying to prove this to? I don't need to run this extra 0.63 miles to say I did the six mile and check it off. I can say right now my body is telling me to stop, and that's what I did. And I have to tell you, I grappled with it, and it's embarrassing to me. I didn't want to have to text you. I felt weak. I felt. And I looked back at it and said, no, that was strength. That was me being smart.

[TJ Holmes]

And so it's okay. You give yourself. You got to give yourself grace before you do it to anybody else.

[Amy Robach]

I'll say that to everybody else, but I won't do it for myself. And so I actually had to look back at it reflectively and say, you know what? I'm proud of myself for saying, uncle, I need to stop right now. And I did.

[TJ Holmes]

That was an extreme day. And what did I. You said you were. And embarrassed and all that. What did I say to you when I picked you up? You didn't hear me say. I didn't hear you.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, actually, I. I thought you. Yeah, you were great.

[TJ Holmes]

And then, sweetheart.

[Amy Robach]

And then you had to pull over.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, yeah. You didn't have to add that extra part. We were ending on a high note. That was. Yes, okay, well, yes, fine. We had to pull over. She had to upchuck.

[Amy Robach]

Well, and so that was also my point. Like, see, my body was telling me stop. So that was, like, for me, that was confirmation. I did the right thing. Throwing up. Told me, way to go, Amy. You made a good choice.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay. The last thing on the Turks. On the Turks trip. It's a weird one to mention, but it gave us so much Joy and so much calm. It actually occupied so much of our time. But it was the oddest thing that you would never really think of.

[Amy Robach]

But this is. This to me is a lesson when you're wherever you are in the world, but when you're out in nature, watch nature. It was better. We'll tell you what we were doing. It was better than any Netflix series. It was better than any, like, beach read that I could have had in my hand. We ended up poolside watching a show of seagulls. Can you explain? We were. I've. I had not seen this before, but there was a line of unending seagulls that were managing people who were in the pool. But they were coming down one by one and skimming the water and trying to drink from the pool, like getting some. Some water in their mouths. Some were really adept and good at it and some were terrible at it. We watched one seagull make eight attempts and could not get water in his mouth. We were laughing so hard. It was like a comedy and a drama all in one, provided by nature.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't know if I've ever. You know, we ended up. Maybe our minds were in the right mindset to where we weren't thinking about work at the time. We're done. But that was such an important lesson. I still do think stop. And we say smell the roses. But you miss so much that's right in front of you because you're looking down on your phone, you're walking down the street, focused on something else. And maybe the love of your life might be walking right by and you didn't even lay eyes on her because you're focused on something else. That was. Sweetheart. That day was the highlight of a seven day trip when we decided to do nothing. We just went me, you and Sabean without a book. There was no book, there was no music, There was no nothing but us laying on beach chairs watching seagulls do circles non stop. You know what it almost reminds you of? An airport. They kept circling around, circling around. Then they come down and try to land, which was essentially get water, which was a precision operation. You're flying, you got to get just low enough to get the water. You can't be too high to miss it, but if you go too low, you might drown yourself.

[Amy Robach]

It was fun. And we watched these seagulls all take different.

[TJ Holmes]

It's so weird.

[Amy Robach]

Different choices. And it was so funny. I couldn't believe. How long did we sit there and watch seagulls try to drink water out.

[TJ Holmes]

Of a Pool it. This sounds so silly, but it was absolutely a wonderful, just separation of the real world. If you will excuse me, our perceived world. Right. All these things we think are so important and we're stressed about. We stop stressing and just enjoyed what was in front of us for a moment. And ain't that the trick?

[Amy Robach]

That was the most relaxed I felt. And it continued this year. But after that day and we kept laughing at ourselves. Did we actually just spend two hours watching seagulls? But it was one of my favorite moments of the entire trip. And it's a lesson like you said. I actually believe I said if someone took a video of this and you know how people put yule log or whatever up on their tv, I would have that video because it just made me feel so relaxed and just. It's recognizing also what we all get hung up on and what we worry about. The nature continues, this world goes on and there's so many beautiful things to recognize and we're all so distracted. It was just such a great lesson.

[TJ Holmes]

I got a weird comparison. They talk about these dopamine hits kids get. I'm seeing Sabine on TikTok so much. Just looking down, trying to look, scroll through these videos and whatnot. And that one's 15 seconds. There's the next one. I got my hit on that. You know these, these birds kept a drama going because each one was unique. Oh, he missed it. Oh, let's go to the next guy. It felt like we were watching some social media video. Oh, he got. Oh, nope, going to the next one.

[Amy Robach]

I was.

[TJ Holmes]

We kept getting fulfilled and we kept getting satisfied by each one. And each one was different. That was our tik tok.

[Amy Robach]

I was getting excited like, what's this one gonna do?

[TJ Holmes]

The one guy that did around did eight passes. We kept. Here it comes again. He was, he was our favorite.

[Amy Robach]

And then he never got it. He finally, he, he flew away in shame.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, he's a quitter. But folks, whatever it is for you, you got to at some point, as tough as things have been, it's been a tough week. Certainly down in Texas, it's been a tough week all over the world for a lot of people still in war torn areas. But you cannot forget, folks, you cannot forget to smile. It's okay. People are suffering next door to you, they're suffering across the street down the road. But just you got to do the best you can. And you got. It's okay to smile and enjoy the best you can.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

We decided to do that at times and not even intentionally sometimes.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And I love prioritizing recovery. And I think with honestly this podcast every Saturday morning, it's a reminder to me even throughout the week, wait, what am I doing? What am I doing to recover? And so we hope you all maybe can take that same lesson, apply it to your lives. But thank you so much for listening to this recovery run. I'm Amy Robach on behalf of my partner, TJ Holmes. Please everyone enjoy your weekend.

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

Ah, but do you know what our most important ingredient is? Sometimes you feel like a nut.

[Amy Robach]

Sometimes, sometimes you don't.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

Way better than that.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, Almond Joy is made with almonds and joy.

[Rodney Williams]

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[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak podcast, a real conversation about finance.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone.

[Amy Robach]

I feel like sometimes being broke is.

[Claude AI]

A cycle and that we might have.

[Travis Holloway]

To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.

[Amy Robach]

What happens when it doesn't go right? How do you cope with it?

[Rodney Williams]

Because wealth isn't just about money. It's about creating a life where you thrive and help others do the same.

[Travis Holloway]

Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[Claude AI]

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[Amy Robach]

This is an iHeart podcast.