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TJ Holmes
Hey there everybody. It is Tuesday, December 2, and the second day of the Brian Walsh trial has conclud included. And just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches this man has put together the, they have. This searches he made. He pieces together the murder force almost.
Amy Robach
I never thought that I would say this about a murder trial or where there is no body, no actual evidence of how someone died that I could think on day two, I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case.
TJ Holmes
You said that earlier. And look, we trying to give this, this, this defense attorney as much credit as we can for what he's got to work with. But man, we got a better idea even of how little he has to work with. We've seen some of these. And again folks, we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of, but says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that he just found her this way, but Robes sent her to. This story from the very beginning are these Internet searches. And I don't know how you get around this stuff.
Amy Robach
It was, it's almost surreal what and how specific he got in these searches in Google where it was almost as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about where his head was in the process of covering up a murder. And I say a murder because he used that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable how often and how specific he got in these searches. And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just continue to blow your mind.
TJ Holmes
And some of these we've never heard. They haven't been out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after jaw dropping moment. This was state trooper, Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand. He's the one who went through all the computers, all the iPads, all the iPhone. So he was up on direct examination and Robes, this thing went on for A while where this very monotone prosecutor is asking, very straightforward look at exhibit number da da da da. What is its title? The guy would read it, give the time, then they move on. So it would boom, boom, boom. And you had to listen closely, Robes, because neither of their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they were discussing.
Amy Robach
So it's so funny you say that because I actually, you know, we're working here and also watching the trial. I actually got bored because of the way each of them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice, there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention, which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable. But if they, I hate to say this, but they found a way to make the most jaw dropping text messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be. Like it was kind of, they, they did, they did the searches a disservice in terms of what they could have done with that. As a juror, you know, I know you, yes, these are crazy things you're hearing. But when someone speaks in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if they tell you that the world is ending and you're about to die, you still kind of are bored and nodding off. You know, you need like. So they, they weren't punching it the way you would think.
TJ Holmes
They weren't there to perform. And that's fine. This is not who they are.
Amy Robach
Sorry. If I'm a juror, I'm going to need a little something from you.
TJ Holmes
And every attorney will tell you that is the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping. So we're gonna go through. There were more than the ones we're going to read, but these were the most significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole lot of explanation. So a reminder here, this was New year's eve of 2022, going into 23, January 1st is when he partied that night with his wife. He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no idea why. Now this are the Google and whatnot searches starting that night from when that happened. Hours later, he's on the Internet searching for all of these things.
Amy Robach
So they begin at 4:52 and they pretty much just tick tock from there. The first one, 10 Ways to Dispose of a body if you really need to. Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell? About 30 minutes later, how long for somebody to be missing for inheritance?
TJ Holmes
That's a Little quick for that one.
Amy Robach
That was his third Google search.
TJ Holmes
Okay, now that one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given some thought. This couldn't have been his first time thinking about that.
Amy Robach
Without a doubt. And so then a few hours later you get is it possible to clean DNA with off a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon.
TJ Holmes
I mean, bang.
Amy Robach
That is the common sense inference from that one. All right, a few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone. Same, same, actually. Minute, how to dispose of a computer. About an hour later, no, about half an hour later, she is missing. Can I still use the card then? My wife is missing. What should I do?
TJ Holmes
It's a bizarre one, isn't it?
Amy Robach
Call 91 1.
TJ Holmes
Is that a weird one?
Amy Robach
Yes. Is he trying to Google what a normal person would do if their wife was missing so he could try to mimic the actions of a normal person.
TJ Holmes
Okay, now here at about 10:40 in the morning, things get interesting, don't they? Robes, 10:39, he searches, your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now, the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one.
Amy Robach
Yes.
TJ Holmes
Now keep in mind folks, they do not. They have never found this woman's body. And prosecutors have never gotten to examine a body. So there is no cause of death. They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever heard of how she might have died. There is a knife involved. And then this next 1, rose at 1128. Best way to dispose of body parts.
Amy Robach
After a murder, that's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from the defense trying to explain, so we can get into that in just a bit. But the next, this is unbelievable to me. The next search, six ways to dispose of a body.
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Amy Robach
What was that about?
TJ Holmes
No, no, but, but after that, and this is interesting. So what after that, but before the next one, about 10 minutes later, he searches. Patrick Kearney. Now, I'd never heard that name. We all had to google him. But he is one of the most prolific serial killers this country has ever known. And he, what he confessed to, I think 35 murders, but he went to trial and end up convicted for 20. One of those murders. Murdered young men because he was gay out in California, preyed on him, and then he would chop them up and throw them away in trash bags.
Amy Robach
And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name of a serial killer? Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial killer name was the Trash Bag Killer. That's pretty damning.
TJ Holmes
I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain that as a defense attorney at all. The next one, 1141, cleaning up a dead body. After that, how to clean blood from a wood floor. After that, can I use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains? After that, what does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night.
Amy Robach
That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes. Right after that. This is. We're still just past noon, folks. Just past noon. Oh, yeah, and he searches. Want to get away with murder, Use special detergent. Again, the murder word being used again. So it wasn't like once. This is now the third time, I believe.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, this was some article he had looked up about the special detergents.
Amy Robach
Okay. Is it better to throw away crime scene clothes or clean them? Crime scene clothes. 12:44, how to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains. Four minutes later, how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he thought he was going to get a better result. And finally, a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains on concrete?
TJ Holmes
Okay, that's again, he's giving us all these.
Amy Robach
He's the knife in the basement, right? I mean, that's what it would seem.
TJ Holmes
He's telling us what happened. 143, this what? This is what he searches. Can the FBI tell when you access your phone?
Amy Robach
Oh, the irony. Crazy.
TJ Holmes
Next one. 152, does the dishwasher clean blood? And then this one wrote. And this was long and specific. That is the text of it. If you see it there, it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this search in there. Is it possible that a knife which had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's been washed with hot water and dishwasher soap?
Amy Robach
So my mind, the only thing I could think of was that he did know that his wife was having an affair. And he was concerned that maybe she could have picked up a sexually transmitted disease. And in killing her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he was worried about getting hiv.
TJ Holmes
A lot of maybes for that's a lot.
Amy Robach
That makes no sense, though. That is a no sense wild and strange and specific search. Then at 2am he, he searches how to remove a SIM card from an iPhone. The next minute, how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop. And then he asks the following morning at 10:30, how long do stores keep security footage? And then at 12:27, he starts asking very Specifically how to saw a body.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, in the same minute he asked that another search how to dismember a body. Soon after that, hacksaw, the best tool for dismembering a body. Soon after that, details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial. After that, can you be charged with murder without a body? After that, murder conviction without a body. Dash Wikipedia. This does not sound like a man who just was involved in an accident.
Amy Robach
With his wife who was worried about his three sons. That is what his defense is that we learned about at least in opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect these to be the searches from a man who was trying, who freaked out and panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder, about knives, about blood. That makes no sense.
TJ Holmes
And a reminder folks, as you listen to these, his story is that he came upstairs and she was dead. He shook her so violently trying to wake her up that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't said anything in his story that would suggest this type of violence and blood necessarily Right.
Amy Robach
And he said he was. He didn't think anyone would believe he didn't have anything to do with her death and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too. So this is what he is saying. But let's just continue with these searches. At 1:12pm can you identify a body with broken teeth? 114 disposing of a body in the trash 251 what powder masks smells the best? Can I mix whites and vinegar to stop smells?
TJ Holmes
He continues the next day, January 3rd. Now again, the wife hasn't been seen since January 1st. January 3rd 1:15 in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body smell good? 5 o' clock in the morning cleaning up blood without leaving a trace. 5 tips 6:55 are footprints easy to wash away? 1 o' clock in the afternoon the same day. How long for a dismembered blood body to decompose? After that body found at trash station and after that, can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then another question here. Can police get your search history without a computer?
Amy Robach
Turns out the answer to that is yes.
TJ Holmes
Oh my goodness. Rose. We talk. We don't know what happened to her, but he just told the story. Now the only thing we're missing is did something happen? Just in the heat of the moment but he is explaining almost the crime to us. I don't know how you get around.
Amy Robach
That as a juror listening to that. I don't know how you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't know how you defend yourself.
TJ Holmes
Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense and we got an idea of what it was. Yes. Stay here, folks. After the break, we will tell you what the defense attorney said about these searches and why the word murder might have been in there.
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Kal Penn
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TJ Holmes
We continue now folks, day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial and day two already robes, you're the one said it a couple of times earlier. I've never seen a trial where I just thought they could. The prosecution can rest right now.
Amy Robach
Wrap it up right now. And the jury I would feel pretty confidently Now I get it. The defense has not been able to put up their defense. But just from what I've heard, I can't imagine what would change my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife.
TJ Holmes
Again. That's why we have to have a trial, right? We have to hear both sides of whatever the explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to be tough to get around. Now a couple of we mentioned knife, blood, concrete. These are some of the things we were hearing from the first time. Broken teeth. All of these suggest that something violent took place. But the one that certainly jumped out at people. And he said, can you dispose of a body or how to after a murder?
Amy Robach
Correct.
TJ Holmes
He typed that in not just how to dispose of a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder.
Amy Robach
Isn't that so interesting?
TJ Holmes
So what mindset could he have been in short of being a murderer? Well, what did you make of the, the response from his attorney today?
Amy Robach
Look, he was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting the kind of searches that or the kind of results he wanted, that it was too generic, that he could have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something. That wasn't what he was interested in. So he needed to get really specific. And so by saying murder, it would make it make more sense that he wanted to figure out how to get rid of a dead body.
TJ Holmes
Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now, do you buy that I am not creative enough that I could have come up with that, but once I heard it. Haven't you done a search before? It's one thing put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food near me. Makes a difference. You add things sometimes to make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give Tipton.
Amy Robach
I'll give Tipton, Larry Tipton, a little bit of a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that I'm buying it. I mean, I see where he was going and I see where his logic was. And that probably was the best way he could have explained why you would say murder. He could have said dead body. He could have. You know, there was nothing about accidental death. You know, my opinion would be if that did in fact happen the way he said it did, he walked up, his wife is accidentally dead. I would be googling things like how could a woman die unexplained on her own in a bed? Like, you know, if I was actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to let police know, I'd be checking to see how my wife might have died first before I'd be trying to figure out how to dismember her body.
TJ Holmes
My God.
Amy Robach
See, I just think, look, the judge said this yesterday when he first spoke to jurors that this was going to require common sense. And that is where the defense has a problem.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of you think you can find 12 people with common sense on a day to day basis. We have to give, we have to think that these are pretty average. If you Will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right in front of them?
Amy Robach
Correct, exactly. And look, there was a lot said as well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife. And I know this is obviously them setting up or trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case, but I did think that Tipton had a good point trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator.
TJ Holmes
Yeah. About the search. He wasn't necessarily just searching for cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that actually tripped the trip the officer off, I thought.
Amy Robach
And also saying some of the searches he said, did you know? Because they're implying that the whole motive is that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and was going to leave him. And that's why some of the divorce searches came up. And look, Tipton did his best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to, to sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would get what, just sales. And it wasn't that they had anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets. And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced.
TJ Holmes
He, he doesn't have a lot to work with.
Amy Robach
He doesn't have a lot.
TJ Holmes
So it's almost you feel bad for him as you're watching him because you know he's trying and we know what he's up against. And look, we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. He said, yeah, this is a, you take it. He has nothing to work with.
Amy Robach
He's called it, she called it a poop sandwich of a case or something, something degree. But certainly that is the case. And yet, you know, this is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money, they get, they get creative, they find a way to defend these seemingly undefendable or indefinite. Yeah, undefendable. And that might be. I know, is it indefensible or undefendable?
TJ Holmes
You know, it's indefensible.
Amy Robach
But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will continue to cover this trial. And they broke off a little early today, but they will be picking back up tomorrow at 9am and we will be watching. So stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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Date: December 3, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes
Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
This episode features Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes dissecting Day 2 of the Brian Walshe trial, a Massachusetts man accused of murdering and dismembering his wife, Ana Walshe. The episode delves into the prosecution’s case—centering on a series of chillingly specific Google searches made by Walshe—and the defense’s attempts to counter them. Amy and T.J. candidly react to the seemingly overwhelming digital evidence presented and discuss the challenges faced by Walshe’s attorney.
(03:10–13:49)
T.J. introduces the case's shock factor, emphasizing how strong the prosecution’s case appears after just two days of testimony.
Amy highlights the unusual circumstance: a “no-body” case that feels almost open-and-shut because of the detailed digital trail.
The bulk of the episode is devoted to reading and reacting to the list of Brian Walshe’s internet searches, which span New Year’s Eve 2022 into New Year’s Day 2023, progressing through a chilling set of queries:
T.J. and Amy marvel at the specificity and volume, noting that some searches have never been publicly revealed before.
The prosecution’s approach—having Trooper Nicholas Guarino monotonously read through dozens of searches—was contrasted with the explosive nature of the evidence:
(07:10–13:49; 17:08–17:20)
Literary dissection of search terms:
Mentions of “murder” in search queries increase suspicions of premeditation.
The Trash Bag Killer search (Patrick Kearney) is cited as particularly incriminating, suggesting research into previous methods of body disposal.
The hosts repeatedly state that the searches tell the entire story.
(22:07–26:57)
Brief coverage of the defense’s arguments, largely recited and critiqued by the hosts:
T.J. and Amy acknowledge the plausibility that search terms can be refined, but both remain deeply skeptical about this line of defense.
Defense challenges prosecution’s motive narrative (that Walshe killed Ana after learning of an affair), suggesting the Google searches about divorce may be innocuous—possibly about dividing assets.
The hosts are sympathetic to the defense attorney’s unenviable position.
On overwhelming prosecution evidence:
On the defense’s task:
On the specificity of the Google searches:
Amy and T.J. wrap up expressing near-certainty in the prosecution’s case but underscore the need for due process. They tease ongoing coverage for the duration of the trial, promising daily updates and more dissection of what stands as an utterly gripping, horrifying, and highly publicized legal case.
Listeners interested in true crime, legal drama, or current high-profile court cases will find this episode both shocking and informative, with remarkable attention given to digital forensic evidence and the courtroom’s attempts to grapple with it.