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It is Monday, December 8th, and day six of testimony in the Brian Walsh trial is now in the books. Evidence, a lot of it was gone over in court today, including some pretty remarkable, some pretty eerie videos of Brian Walsh not long after he says his wife died. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and robes. We talk about, yes, this case. One big deal about the case is that he admitted to cutting up and disposing of his wife's body. These videos show him buying the tools.
TJ Holmes
It's, you said eerie. That's a really good way to put it. And when he is at Lowe's, I believe that was on January 1st in the afternoon. So we are talking within hours of his wife dying.
We see him with a mask and blue latex gloves purchasing all of the items that he used. And we can say this because he's admitted to it to chop up, dismember his wife's body. So yes, I was actually even watching the Lowe's employee unknowingly.
Being a part of this where he's, like I said, can you imagine after the fact, now he's watching this surveillance video that's being played in court or at least is aware of it. And he's holding and touching these items and selling them to this man who is going to use them for the most despicable, disgusting, unthinkable act. It just, the idea of it just, it all hits you when you watch the surveillance video.
Robes
Yeah, we'd heard about some of the video. We've been hearing about video that shows him throwing stuff in the dumpster. Well, we saw that stuff today. And then surveillance video. I guess one that's most head scratching in bizarre robes is that one of them, he is actually entering the store with a young child. They blur out the child's face. We have to assume it's one of his kids. But to think he made a run to the store on that day to continue buying cleaning items. And the woman he just chopped up he took that woman's child with him to the store to collect these items. That was, again, the videos were the most fascinating part of the day.
TJ Holmes
I know. I looked at you and I said, can you even imagine that kid's gonna know at some point in his life? Daddy took me to the store to get things to clean up my mom's body.
It really. It doesn't seem like anyone that we know or that we love or even when we think about what we're capable of. Could you bring a child, the child of the mother you just. Or were about to dismember that? I don't know why that takes it to a whole other level, but it just does.
Robes
All right, so that was certainly some of the highlights of the day. We'll give you more about those videos in a second. But the day started today. They continued with the medical examiner, who was on last week at the end of the day on Friday, but the medical examiner was back up also. We talked about so much of the evidence and so much of these surveillance videos that we'll get to. But Robes, the medical examiner, and there's two be expected, went over a lot of the evidence and blood was found downstairs. We found some blood on the hacksaw. We found blood on the piece of rug. All these things. That stuff is to be expected. They had to get all these things in evidence. But then the guy. Now we've been kind of in awe of Larry Tipton, the defense attorney. He got up and started making points that nobody seemed to push back on. And these points seem to be even bigger because of that. He had this. This was. He turned the medical examiner, the prosecution's witness, into his.
TJ Holmes
It did feel like, yes, at some point, the medical examiner was testifying on behalf of the defense. That is what it felt like, because.
Robes
Crazy.
TJ Holmes
Yeah. Tipton. Tipton got the medical examiner to admit that he cannot make a definitive finding on the cause and manner of other Anna Walsh's death as long as he doesn't have the body. So he's like, yeah, confirmed jury, are you listening? The medical examiner is telling you that no matter what, the prosecution cannot tell you the cause or manner of Anna Walsh's death, period. That's a pretty big issue for the prosecution.
Robes
Yeah, it is a big issue because they know every single one of those jurors, they want a couple of things. They want a motive, and they want to know how she died. Everybody agrees she did, but how does she die? That's a very important question. But Robes, he's setting up this Idea of the sudden unexplained death. It is. Everybody agrees it's so, so, so rare. So rare. So the medical examiner is sitting up there and Tipton, the defense attorney, is listing off all these ways somebody could possibly die unexpectedly, unexpectedly. He reels off what is this robes, asphyxia, sexual activity, illness. Somebody could even have sudden unexplained death because of an extended trip, extended travel, stress. He asked this guy all these things, and the guy just said, yep, that's an option. Yep, that could be true. Yep, that could happen too. He never said, yeah, but it's really, really rare.
TJ Holmes
He didn't qualify or quantify it at all. He just kept agreeing with Tipton that that was possible, that's an option, that's possible. And he even said in young, otherwise health, yes, that could happen. And the fact, the crazy thing is the, the then the prosecution didn't say, we'd like a redirect and have him explain just how unusual all of those specific rare occasions are. But when you have the defense attorney listing all of those rare occasions in a long list, it sounds like it happens all the time.
Robes
I do not remember a moment where he qualified it. So if you didn't know any better and you're hearing about sudden unexplained death, oh, oh, it can happen because of that. What you're hearing, you think are all the options. So I hear like, oh, there were 10 possibilities for how she could have died from sudden with no qualifying yet. Happens in.00, 0, 0.1 cases or whatever.
TJ Holmes
Right. And when that follows, the medical examiner himself saying that he can't tell the jury how Anna Walsh died. Now, don't you have to consider all of this laundry list that the defense just laid out that the medical examiner agreed with? Don't you have to consider that as possible? And how does that play into reasonable doubt? It's all very effective, and it certainly was today listening to it.
Robes
And actually the defense didn't. Didn't actually have that active of a day. The prosecution kept putting up a number of witnesses essentially just to get evidence into testimony who weren't evidence into the trial. These folks weren't necessarily folks that the defense had anything to refute. We had an employer of Anna Walsh testified, a Walgreens employee, a liquor store employee, a Lowe's employee. But in getting the some of this evidence in. Let's start with the Walgreens employee robes. They showed surveillance video of him buying Band Aids and antibiotic cream. Then you go to the liquor store and robes. This was the one where I think I might have tapped you and said, look at this.
TJ Holmes
You did? Yeah, because we were, you know, we're working, we're watching, and all of a sudden you see pretty undeniably, Brian Walsh walking with black trash bags and putting them in this dumpster. There was something so, so eerie about that as well. To know what was inside those bags or what was possibly inside those bags. It's just. It's so unsettling to see it.
Robes
And we've been hearing about this very video for quite some time. But you see him plain as day. And they had the liquor store employee up there.
What they were trying to do is make clear that he had no other reason to be there. Because this was on January 1st.
TJ Holmes
It was closed.
Robes
No reason for him to be there.
TJ Holmes
The liquor store was closed on New.
Robes
Year's Day, but they have a dumpster on site. And sure enough, he's in his car dumping this stuff. Now, the other person that got up there was an employee of Lowe's. He made a couple of stops at Lowe's, but in one of those stops, the one we were talking about, robes, you can see him with the gloves. A couple of employees are helping him. Sweetheart, he looks like he's doing a total home makeover. The baskets are full of stuff. And this is essentially his body removal kit.
TJ Holmes
That's what you actually said. Oh, my gosh. Just look what's in those baskets. It is a body removal kit. Buckets and tarps and mops and just a lot of cleaning supplies. It was really disturbing to see it all in his shopping cart.
Robes
I haven't seen or heard anyone explain why he had the mask on. Now, I don't know if he had a medical issue. He was trying to cover his face that night. But this was post. This wasn't during those tough times.
TJ Holmes
I didn't hear anyone directly address it, but it's. I was thinking, because then in later surveillance videos, he doesn't have a mask or gloves on. But in that first one, he did. And I was wondering if maybe, yes, he was worried about being caught. It had just happened. He didn't want anyone to know it was him. So I was thinking that might be the case. And then maybe he started to let his guard down. Maybe he thought his story was working. Maybe he thought he had it all figured out. And so he didn't feel as nervous about being seen in public because, yeah, he was pretty covered up. Although he has such a very specific stature and look like you can tell 100% that it was him. And the other thing that was interesting, it's the only time every person who has testified, well, there was one today who said he was emotional when he was talking about Ana, when he was calling the work. Her work security guard. He said he was very emotional for a moment. But almost everyone who's described Brian in phone conversations, in police interviews, and even in the surveillance video we've seen, he seems cool, calm and collected, as if. Well, you would never think something was wrong. You would never think his wife was missing. You would never think the love of his life is somehow gone. But in that first surveillance video in Lowe's, where he has the mask and the rubber gloves on and it's within hours, I guess, of her dying, he was antsy. You said, look, oh, my gosh. It's the only time he looked physically nervous.
Robes
Even in court, we haven't seen him be anything but cool. I mean, he was. He was shifting his weight back and forth on his feet. He was. He seemed to be in a hurry. He wanted to get the hell out of there. It was the first time we've seen it and we can imagine why at that point, in very early morning hours, this first video we're seeing, the other. They had a CBS employee up there. This is the video I. I mentioned this one. I think this is one robes that there's something about this videos. You see him as so plain as day, clear as day. His. These images of him when, you know, at least he admitted what he's been doing at home, right? You see this guy, like, what is going on? How is he able to keep it together, right?
TJ Holmes
And just act normal. It's weird to see because you just think that there'd be something that would give you away because of what you had just been taking a part of. Like the most gruesome, horrific thing you can imagine having to do. And the panic he must have felt to try and cover up what had happened. And it to think about just going out in the world and acting like you're just going and making a Walgreens run for some Band Aids for your kids. But actually, there is a very different story unfolding at your home.
Robes
All right, folks. Well, there was a final witness of the day. And again, on cross examination, the defense was able to get him to admit something pretty major. We'll explain what that was. Also, one of our dear legal friends will explain why she says the prosecution is absolutely blowing it. Stay here.
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Robes
We continue now, folks, day six of the Brian Walsh trial. What's the latest again? Robes. They were. The prosecution was ahead of schedule. Right. They thought this would be a two or three week trial, but right now they're certainly on or ahead of schedule.
TJ Holmes
Correct? They are ahead of schedule. According to the judge, when she wrapped up or was telling the jurors to enjoy their weekend, she did say it looks like the prosecution is slightly ahead of schedule. She had warned them there could be up to four, four and a half weeks of testimony. She says she now thinks there will be just two more weeks of testimony. So she thinks a total of three. So she thinks it's been shortened by even as much as a week.
Robes
But it's getting close to Christmas.
TJ Holmes
It is. Well, no, at this point, if there are two more weeks of testimony, that means the jury would get this case the week of Christmas, which I don't know if they're willing to do that. I don't know if they would say, hey, will reconvene January 3rd. I don't know. That seems like a tall order to ask these jurors to remember everything, to go through Christmas and New Year's to not talk about it with family members. All know that they're on this high profile case. That seems like such an unreasonable ask because obviously they would not sequester the jurors during this time. And that's just going to piss everybody off. So. And I don't know, it really is going to be right at. It's going to butt up directly to the holiday and think about, you know, this isn't just about Christmas Day or Christmas Eve. These jurors have kids and families who probably have Christmas pageants and specials and parties and events. And it's just. It's a tough time of year to be on a jury.
Robes
And they're also missing work, many of them, maybe, and missing out on money, missing out on checks. I mean, you get paid for jury duty, but it's.
TJ Holmes
Oh, I don't even know what it is now. What is it? $50 a day something?
Robes
It's not. Yes. It's not a living wage. We should say. Yeah. Last the state crime lab was. Guy was up today again going through a lot of stuff that was found, putting evidence into. Into the trial. But robes. The cross examination examinator is what I call Lipton. Tipton. Excuse me. Jesus.
TJ Holmes
Larry Tipton. But it's easy to say, not Lipton.
Robes
We should start calling him Lipton.
TJ Holmes
No, let's not. Because his name is Terry Lif.
Amy Robach
No.
TJ Holmes
Larry Tipton. Oh, my gosh. You just got me to.
Robes
I didn't get you to do anything.
TJ Holmes
No. Okay. You put it in my head.
Robes
It's messed up.
TJ Holmes
I am removing it.
Robes
Larry Tipton, Tipton, he is tipping the scales of justice. How about that?
TJ Holmes
Okay. Now you'll always remember, okay?
Robes
But yeah, Tipton, he's talking to the state crime lab guy and got him to admit something pretty significant after he went through all of this testimony with the prosecution about, I found this, and I found this, he said, and he got him to admit he did not find anything forensically significant in that bedroom that suggested how she died, who killed her, if she was murdered, what meant nothing in there that actually helped prove any case. And he had to admit that.
TJ Holmes
Yes. And he also got him to admit that because police had been coming in and out of that home for days, that there was no way to be able to prove any of the bloodstains stains that were found in the basement on the concrete. When did they get there? Could someone else have brought them in? How do we know when those blood stains occurred and whether or not the crime scene was just completely compromised because of the amount of traffic that was coming in and out of that home by police themselves. So he, once again, Tipton, did his job and he did it very well. After hearing all of this, it actually, it sounds awful to say that testimony about blood stains can get boring, but after a while, it's the same thing over and over, over and over again. And then all of a sudden, when Tipton I said, wow, shift in energy. He comes in with a mission, and he knows exactly what he's trying to disprove or at least bring into question. And he. He brought it home.
Robes
He makes you sit up and you wonder where he's going, what point he's making. And again, I know this isn't supposed to be the point, but every lawyer will tell you that theatrics, it matters. Of course it matters. So we're listening to a monotonous voice going through this and that nothing is compelling. Compelling, at least. Yes. It has to be entered into evidence. I understand. But, man, to your point, we almost. Okay, it's time to gather around. We got to really pay attention now.
TJ Holmes
Because I actually, Yes, I have to make myself focus when the prosecution is up, when Tipton's up, I am. I'm listening intently.
Robes
Again, this is not a criticism, just a. A reality of the experience that we're having watching this thing. So you can guess, a lot of other people are too, in robes. We say the reality in our experience. We're not being critical of the prosecution, but we are talking to people who are. Someone who has become a dear, dear resource for us here recently, Allison Treason, an attorney with a lot of criminal defense experience. We were talking to her today, Ro. She did not mince her words about just how shocked she is at how poorly of a job the prosecution has been doing on several major points.
TJ Holmes
Yes, she talked about missed opportunities. Yes, missed opportunities. Just in emphasizing certain things that, yes, you want the jurors to pay attention. You want the jurors to remember things like, he searched for murder instead of just going, he searched for murder. There is a difference. She was even noticing just the decision to be monotone and to not punch home certain words that you want the jurors to keep in their heads when they think about this case and associate with Brian Walsh. But also just in. In pointing out some of this evidence and really driving it home. And then following up, she said she would just let things go. And then when the defense made a point, she had an opportunity to redirect and just chose not to. She was aghast. And she said she was screaming at the monitor, like, why would you not have followed up with that? So she's. She was taking us point by point by point in discussing where the prosecution has repeatedly dropped the ball in her eyes and has basically handed huge wins over to the defense that she could have reclaimed had she followed through with a follow up.
Robes
Some of it, I forgot about that point, about this. Not even Strategy. It's almost so many of those searches were dramatic all their own. How do you make them boring? They went through, like, some of them are so outlandish that all you have make the point like, Jesus, he said what? He. Like, that's all you have to do. That's not strategy. That's just. That's not a great legal strategy. She said. It's just you're not talking to them. And I guess reacting as a human being the way we all are to what we're seeing, you're almost treating it like it's nothing and leaving it to. For them to interpret whether or not it's a big deal when you don't act like it's a big deal.
TJ Holmes
I think Allison suggested maybe she was treating it like it was a slam dunk when this case is not. Now, if you want to listen to our whole interview with her, please, you can check out on Amy and TJ presents our latest. Our latest episode has our full interview with Alison Treesel. You should check it out. She is brilliant when it comes to interpreting what we're seeing in the courtroom. So it's really a fun episode. If you're really into this trial, highly suggest you check it out, but go ahead.
Robes
You had something. Go ahead.
TJ Holmes
Oh, no, please go ahead. No, I was wrapping it up.
Robes
Oh, no, no. I could talk to you about this off camera. Off camera. I mean, off mic. Sorry, forgot where I was.
TJ Holmes
We're used to being on camera. Off mic.
Robes
Don't anybody take that and run with it. Okay, Just please don't.
TJ Holmes
No, no. We're hoping to get cameras in the podcast. Oh, yeah.
Robes
Yes, yes.
TJ Holmes
So we'll be broadcast podcast.
Robes
Really good thing. Really good stage.
TJ Holmes
All right, so we are going to obviously keep our eye on this trial. We will continue to bring you updates as they are warranted, but so far, every day, there has been a lot to say. So thank you for listening, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
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Date: December 8, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes
On Day 6 of the highly publicized Brian Walshe trial, Amy Robach, T.J. Holmes, and "Robes" break down the significant evidence presented in court. The episode focuses on chilling surveillance footage of Brian Walshe purchasing items later used to dismember and dispose of his wife’s body, as well as testimony from witnesses and experts. The hosts provide in-depth commentary on courtroom dynamics, notable cross-examinations, and critical shortcomings in the prosecution's approach.
Brian Walshe’s Activities After His Wife’s Death
Cross-Examination by Defense Attorney Larry Tipton
State Crime Lab Testimony and Defense Strategies
Witnesses from Walgreens, Liquor Store, Lowe’s
Analysis by Legal Expert Allison Treason
The episode provides a gripping, detailed account of Day 6 from the Brian Walshe trial, focusing on evidence of post-murder activity, the defense’s strategic victories in raising doubt and attacking forensic limitations, and deep skepticism over the prosecution’s monotone and unengaging presentation. The hosts combine legal analysis, empathetic commentary, and inside-the-courtroom impressions, making the summary valuable for listeners seeking a nuanced, human perspective on this chilling true crime case.