The Brian Walshe Trial:  “Don’t Let Him Get Away With Murder”

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Brian Walshe Trial – “Don’t Let Him Get Away With Murder”

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode Date: December 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this verdict-watch episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes analyze the prosecution's closing arguments in the Brian Walshe murder trial. Building on their previous discussion of the defense, they examine the prosecution’s approach, the strengths and shortcomings of their case, and their own predictions about how the jury might rule, especially given the absence of definitive evidence like a body or clear cause of death. The tone is conversational, reflective, and critical, as the hosts bring their TV journalism perspective while still considering how jurors might perceive the arguments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Prosecutor’s Performance and Style (03:13 – 04:56)

• More Dramatic, Less Effective:

  • The prosecutor was notably more performative and animated (sometimes whispering, sometimes yelling) compared to previous dry deliveries.
  • Amy Robach: “She went too far in the other direction. She went from whispering at times to feeling sarcastic in others, to yelling.” (03:13)
  • Both hosts agreed her delivery felt forced and unnatural, as if reading stage directions out loud.

• Impact of Presentation:

  • The effectiveness of courtroom delivery is discussed. They note that, though content should matter most, human perception means delivery and messenger do color the message.

Lack of Theory on Cause of Death (05:13 – 06:52)

• No Direct Explanation:
  • The prosecution never specified how Ana Walshe died, sticking to themes of “violent end” and urging jurors to use “common sense.”
  • TJ Holmes: “She wrapped up and sent that jury into that jury room to deliberate. And none of us still have any idea what their theory is about how she died.” (05:13)
  • The prosecutor openly admitted the absence of clear cause due to the missing body, something the hosts felt might be harmful.

Connecting the Dots: Motive and Actions (08:40 – 12:12)

• Circumstantial Motive:

  • The prosecution asserted Brian Walshe’s actions were meticulously planned—misplacing his phone, creating distractions for the friend over, and misleading with internet searches.
  • The absence from holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas) and Walshe’s awareness (through shared bank accounts and travel records) of his wife’s relationship with another man were cited as elements that may have motivated the crime.
  • Amy Robach: “[Prosecution] claims these searches for the Porsche and the diamonds and all of that was just all to throw Ana off his tracks... He had also searched divorce. Best ways to divorce if you're a man. So…according to the prosecution, he landed on murder.” (09:37)

• Desperation Motive at Closing:

  • The hosts highlight that only in closing arguments did the prosecution string together a motive suggesting desperation: Walshe, about to go to prison, feared losing his children and financial security if Ana left him.
  • Amy Robach: “Desperation is what it sounded like. Here's a man who's about to go to prison for a year or two…in his mind he could be thinking…I'm going to come back to no money and no family. That is what they were suggesting at the end.” (11:42)

Missed Opportunities in Argument (13:41 – 15:39)

• Delivery Undercut Content:

  • A pivotal moment—“He cut up Anna's body and threw her in the dumpster”—was shouted and, according to Amy, lost its impact due to the delivery.
  • Hosts note the prosecutor missed a chance to turn the defense’s assertion of “love” on its head:
    • Amy Robach: “I would have taken that and said, if that's love is chopping up. You know, I would have taken his last line about that and just twisted it.” (14:51)

• Guilty Conscience Narrative Untapped:

  • The hosts believed pressing on Brian’s incriminating searches immediately after Ana’s disappearance ("murder") could have effectively painted a picture of a guilty conscience.

Strongest Prosecution Moment (16:54 – 18:23)

• Searches Reveal Guilt:
  • The prosecution’s best argument pointed out that a truly desperate husband who finds his wife dead wouldn’t immediately search “how to chop up a body.” Instead, one would look for causes (“brain aneurysm,” “deep vein thrombosis”) or emergency help.
  • TJ Holmes: “If he's desperate and his wife just died, the first thing you're looking for is not to chop up a body. The first thing you're thinking is sudden death. What possibly happened.” (16:57)
  • Amy Robach: “If I walked in on the person I loved dead…The first thing would be mouth to mouth. You'd wanna see if you could resuscitate somebody, how to check a pulse…But honestly, more importantly, babe, you just would call 911.” (17:32)

Jury’s Options & Likelihood of Verdicts (24:00 – 28:40)

• Possible Convictions Expanded:

  • Jury could decide on:
    • Not guilty
    • Guilty of first-degree (premeditated) murder
    • Guilty of second-degree murder (malice but no premeditation)
  • Amy Robach: “Second degree murder is an unlawful killing committed with malice afterthought…but without the deliberate premeditation required for first degree murder.” (24:17)

• Predictions:

  • Both hosts believe the most likely outcome is a second-degree murder conviction as premeditation wasn’t definitively proven, but guilt seems probable.
  • Amy Robach: “I believe the jury is going to come back with a second degree murder conviction.” (24:56)
  • TJ Holmes: “Anybody who's having some doubts…now has an option of going, okay, my common sense tells me this dude probably did this, but they didn't prove it.” (26:01)

• First-Degree Conviction Unlikely:

  • Both would be shocked by a first-degree murder verdict, considering doubts and the trial’s evidence.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Prosecutor’s Delivery:

  • “She was not monotone, that's for sure. But unfortunately…she went too far in the other direction.” – Amy Robach (03:13)
  • “It felt like she was feigning every emotion she was trying to deliver.” – TJ Holmes (03:46)

• On Cause of Death Admission:

  • “She said, the medical examiner...It's impossible for the medical examiner to determine how she died.” – TJ Holmes (06:22)

• Best Use of Prosecution Logic:

  • “If he's desperate and his wife just died, the first thing you're looking for is not to chop up a body. The first thing you're thinking is sudden death. What possibly happened…” – TJ Holmes (16:57)

• Missed Defense Rebuttal:

  • “I would have taken that and said, if that's love is chopping up... all of those searches just... Are listing, wow, that's love. Just go.” – Amy Robach (15:11 & 15:39)

• On Jury Dynamics and Possible Outcomes:

  • “I believe the jury is going to come back with a second degree murder conviction.” – Amy Robach (24:56)
  • “If I'm voting…the thing that would shock me is a first degree murder.” – TJ Holmes (28:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Prosecutor’s Style and Critique: 03:13 – 04:56
• No Theory on Cause of Death: 05:13 – 06:52
• Connecting Dots, Motive & Actions: 08:40 – 12:12
• Prosecutorial Missed Opportunities: 13:41 – 15:39
• Most Effective Prosecution Point: 16:54 – 18:23
• Jury Options and Predictions: 24:00 – 28:40

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Tone and Final Thoughts

The hosts are candid, conversational, and bring their broadcast experience to scrutinize not just what was said, but how it was delivered—a crucial element in high-stakes trials. They’re empathetic to a jury’s responsibility and maintain a critical but fair stance toward both sides in the courtroom. Their closing prediction: a second-degree murder conviction is most likely, with both expressing skepticism that first-degree will be found given the prosecution’s case structure.

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[Amy Robach]

Yes. We saw the lead prosecutor, the female prosecutor, be more dramatic. She was not monotone, that's for sure. But unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because she went too far in the other direction. She went from whispering at times to feeling sarcastic in others, to yelling. And I'm not exaggerating, almost I jumped up, said, why is she yelling at the jury? So it was an attempt to be more performative, to, to be more theatrical, which I think was needed. She just, it didn't feel like it's in her wheelhouse.

[TJ Holmes]

It didn't feel natural. It didn't feel normal. It felt like it really like you were. She was feigning every emotion she was trying to deliver. I, I don't know this woman. I hate to be. Don't want to criticize the job they have done. But we are sitting there as casual observers and this is how things are coming across to us. Yes, she was more animated. Yes, it did seem intentional. It seemed like almost on her page where she was reading something, it was said in parentheses. Yale. This line.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. Like it.

[TJ Holmes]

Whisper this line.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. I feel like she practiced this at home. And look, you know what, it may not matter what she said and how she said it might not matter as much as what she said to the jury and what they're going to believe and what they're not going to believe. But it is interesting observing it how important it is or it seemed to us how you say something.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

And when you say something and it matters, the information is important. Of course, actually, it should be the only thing that really matters. But we're all human beings and how we receive it and how we, how we see it delivered to us absolutely impacts the weight we give the information we're receiving.

[TJ Holmes]

That is. That is the best way to put it. And the way I'm receiving her message, it didn't. I. Again, we've been keeping ourselves in that lane and Being the jurors. But, yes, she only went. She didn't go as long as Tipton, I don't think.

[Amy Robach]

No, only 34, 35 minutes.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, so now let's get into the meat and potatoes of what she had to say and robe. She started out, and it. We've been waiting to hear them say how she met this violent end. And I thought maybe we were getting close to that, but she wrapped up and sent that jury into that jury room to deliberate. And none of us still have any idea what their theory is about how she died.

[Amy Robach]

No, her, they just stuck with the violent end and common sense. Those were the two big themes that they were pointing out. That, yes, she was murdered, she met violence, that Brian Walsh was cool and calculated because she could point to that in the surveillance video. And certainly, certainly, she kept bringing in some of his interrogation by police where he just seems so casual and so cool and nonchalant. So she was doing that. But again, there was no. And actually, we were surprised. She pointed out, basically, we don't have the body, and so we can't tell you how she died without an autopsy. We don't know.

[TJ Holmes]

I stopped. I don't know if I heard the next two or three sentences because I was stuck on that sentence. She said, the medical examiner. It's impossible for the medical examiner to determine how she died.

[Amy Robach]

Probably don't want to reiterate that to the jury.

[TJ Holmes]

Wait, what? Yeah. Hey, wait, what? You're. You're telling me that it's impossible, so you're telling me you don't know.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[TJ Holmes]

Is how I took that line. Now, she tried to land it by saying, the reason we don't know is because he was calculated, making sure we couldn't find the body.

[Amy Robach]

Right.

[TJ Holmes]

That's what she was trying to say.

[Amy Robach]

I feel like, though, she could have taken it so much further and said, you know, we don't know if he strangled her, if he stabbed her with that knife, if he. You know, if he suffocated her with the pillow. We don't know. But what we do know is he made damn sure we weren't gonna find out because he got rid of that body. Like I was thinking in my mind, granted, I don't know what she could have said that could have painted that picture using the evidence she had, that he did make sure that no one got their hands on her body. He did make sure there was no evidence left behind. That's because murdered her.

[TJ Holmes]

Hey, look, maybe the jurors aren't like us. Right? We've been in television.

[Amy Robach]

Maybe. Maybe we want that and they don't need it. Yeah, that's true.

[TJ Holmes]

And you shouldn't need it. But this isn't us. This is. Every lawyer out there will tell you this stuff matters. They will tell you how you deliver who the messenger is. They will tell you it all matters and robes the closing for me. I wrote it down. You and I wrote the same thing down. The themes, common sense and context. She sent them in there saying, use your common sense. She didn't send them in necessarily. Look at this evidence. Look at this. Remember this? Remember that? She said, common sense, common sense, common sense. And kept relying on this idea that, yes, this happened and this happened.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

It doesn't prove anything, but you have to remember context. Wink, wink, not. It was almost like she was saying, come on, y'. All. Y' all know this dude killed his wife. That is how the entire closing sounded to me. It was really a real big, come on, y', all, come on, come on. We know he did it.

[Amy Robach]

I actually thought it was interesting because, yes, that was the gist of it. Like, that is a very good way to sum it up. And I do think it was the first time she even gave the jury. She connected some dots that she did not connect while the testimony was happening, which we were complaining about. But she finally then, in her closing arguments, pointed out that she felt like Brian misplacing his phone was calculated and he misplaced his phone early in the night on New Year's Eve. But she said that was all a ploy so that he could explain why he didn't know or he hadn't been in contact with his wife for so long because he had misplaced. Misplaced his phone. And also then he could go do some of the stuff he needed to do without his phone tracking him. So now she points that out. Then she points out just even like he was putting on a show basically, for the friend who was over Jen, because he knew what he was going to do. The fact that he.

[TJ Holmes]

That act worked because that friend got on the stand and was convincing.

[Amy Robach]

It was a happy, joyful occasion. So that is what she claims. The prosecution claims Brian wanted to happen. They also claimed these searches for the Porsche and the diamonds and all of that was just all to throw Ana off his tracks. That really. He had also searched divorce. Best ways to divorce if you're a man. So he was figuring out what his options were. And at some point, according to the prosecution, he landed on murder. He had to kill her. And so all of this, they Say was because he was angry about her missing Thanksgiving. They claimed that he Abs. Well, Thanksgiving, he. She was going to her mother's in Serbia. But they claim he knew because they shared the same bank account that she actually went to Dublin with her boyfriend.

[TJ Holmes]

She missed both of those holidays.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, she missed Thanksgiving.

[TJ Holmes]

And was the mom actually sick or. She just said the mom was sick.

[Amy Robach]

I believe she did ultimately go, but I actually cannot tell you, babe. I don't know, but I know that. So the, so they were claiming, hey, look, he knew about something else on the bank account. He knew she came back through Frankfurt. So come on. Of course she, he knew that she was in Dublin overnight on Thanksgiving.

[TJ Holmes]

So listen to what you just said.

[Amy Robach]

Of course, Come on, come on.

[TJ Holmes]

That is what I'm saying.

[Amy Robach]

So she's connecting these dots and saying. And all of it is very plausible and I would say likely even, but they didn't prove it. They're. They're actually just saying of course he knew. Of course he, he. And so he, he was angry since then. And then she misses Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Now he's livid. So now he's sitting there plotting how he's going to get rid of her on New Year's Eve and he's got a whole plan in place.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, I, they laid out, I think, Rose, forgive me if I missed it during the testimony, but they laid out this, this reasoning, this logic for why he killed her. That seemed to go. It seemed to be a little different from the other motives. Meaning he had to take care of the kids. He had to like, like as a condition of him not going to jail. He needed the kids. And if his wife is now possibly going to leave him for another man and if the kids go away, then he has no money and he has no woman. They built a case for a motive that I didn't necessarily hear built throughout.

[Amy Robach]

Desperation is what it sounded like. Here's a man who's about to go to prison for a year or two, whose children are now going to be living with his wife, who's now going to move full time into this townhome who she bought from her now boyfriend. And in his mind he could be thinking, and the boyfriend's just going to move in. I'm going to be replaced while I'm in prison and I'm going to come back to no money and no family. That is what they were suggesting at the end.

[TJ Holmes]

In closing, I didn't hear necessarily that pieced together during the.

[Amy Robach]

I did not hear that through line at all during. And that was. That was what we have been complaining about. Because when they had moments with witnesses where they could have woven the story, and it did require the prosecutor to provide the context, to weave the story, to get the witnesses to fill in the blanks for the story they were creating, it's almost as if they came up with that to wrap it all up. In addition to. He was jealous and he needed the money, but it was more about desperation and no options. If he were to divorce her, he would lose. And so he needed to find a way when he came back from serving his time, where he would have all the money because everything was in her name. Because of his financial issues in his federal case against him, he put all of their assets in her name. So now he's like, I just screwed myself. But I don't feel like they did that good of a job during the trial explaining that through testimony.

[TJ Holmes]

Where does she nail it? I'm looking at some of my notes here. Where did you. You really think she did make some good points that the jury may remember when they go in there? I'm looking at my notes here, and I don't. She had this line. I mean, it was that impactful. He cut up Anna's body and threw her in the dumpster. Now, the way I just said it, she was screaming that line. She was screaming that line. And there were pauses in between. Is that. It was a moment I remember for being a little awkward. Not impactful.

[Amy Robach]

What she was saying was impactful. How she was saying it was detracting from what she was saying. It was a sentence, actually, funny enough, that didn't need any louder. And actually, that might have been one where I would have gone slower and softer for people to really let that sink in. When she shouted it, it felt aggressive and like it was too much. It didn't work.

[TJ Holmes]

Wow, you're a performer. You are. No, I'm serious. What I'm saying is these things you're talking about how that thing. When something is. When the words themselves. Here you go, Robes. This is a very good example. You've been talking about it. All those searches and writing that he had. When something is that impactful, you don't have to shout it, right? You just repeat it. Folks, he cut up the woman he loves. He said he loves, and he put pieces of her in different dumpsters, like saying that, and she shouted it in a different type of way. And again, we're sitting here, and I feel like we're being acting coaches or something and being critical of Performance. But this is how we receive.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

The closing arguments in a trial we have watched every second.

[Amy Robach]

Do you know what's interesting? She could have even played off of Larry Tipton, the defense attorney, saying that the only evidence shows that there was love. I would have taken that and said, if that's love is chopping up. You know, I would have taken his last line about that and just twisted it.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, we know some attorneys that. That would have been the first line in their closing. They would have played off that. Larry Tipton said, the only thing there is. The only thing there's evidence of is love. You that the next, he just gave.

[Amy Robach]

You gold to work off of. When you have those searches, I would have said, is this love? And then how to cut, like, you know, up my wife's body, whatever. You know, all of those searches just.

[TJ Holmes]

Start over and over, listing, wow, that's love. Just go. I mean, that's a very good point.

[Amy Robach]

And we don't. Yeah, a missed opportunity. In fact, I just thought about that as you were saying what you were. When you were describing how she was saying things, I started thinking about what Tipton said, and I thought, wait, she totally could have eviscerated that line with the evidence that she does have. Because there is evidence. Yes, they are lacking very important evidence, AKA a body. But there is so much evidence pointing to his guilt, maybe even his guilty conscience. You could have taken that murder work because so much was made of. Why did he use the word murder in his searches six hours afterwards? She could have pushed this guilty conscience idea. She could have pushed so many other explanations other than the one the defense gave.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, you're gonna have to help me here, babe. You just made me remember it. She made a very good point about a search, and I hadn't heard anybody say it before, and I said, oh, yeah, that's true. She made a very good point. I said, that is a winning. Like, she made me sit up and think about a search he had. And she said, well, why would he search. Ah, this is what it was. I got it.

[Amy Robach]

I. I wish I could help you. I don't know which one you're talking.

[TJ Holmes]

This was it. She said, if he's desperate and his wife just died, the first thing you're looking for is not to chop up a body. The first thing you're thinking is sudden death. What possibly happened. Brain aneurysm. That would have been your first thing.

[Amy Robach]

Deep vein thrombosis, whatever, anything.

[TJ Holmes]

But she made. When she said that.

[Amy Robach]

I said, babe, that you're Right. When she said that, I remember thinking, now you just spoke to me. And when she talks about common sense, that's exactly.

[TJ Holmes]

She nailed that one.

[Amy Robach]

That moment when you say, right. If I walked in on the person I loved dead and I'm scared, even if I'm thinking, oh, no, they're gonna think that I had something to do with it, for whatever reason in my past, I would be immediately considered guilty. I'd still. The first thing would be mouth to mouth. You'd wanna see if you could resuscitate somebody, how to check a pulse. You'd wanna. Yes. And if I'm gonna start searching stuff, I'm gonna start trying to figure out what happened. How can I help? Is there any remedy for. What does alcohol poisoning look like? Whatever I think could have happened. But honestly, more importantly, babe, you just would call 911 because you'd want that person to have a shot. Maybe they could be resuscitated. Maybe something could be given to them that could alter the. The current state of their body.

[TJ Holmes]

That was the one. Let me. Let me give the prosecution credit on that one.

[Amy Robach]

Yep, you're right.

[TJ Holmes]

They made that point. And that was common. Now that's using common sense. Absolutely. Like, wait, wait. And he had a lot of hours to do anything related to resuscitating or first aid and whatever it may be. Um, but, folks, stay here. We'll tell you now how this could change a verdict, because the jury doesn't have just one option for finding him guilty. And Rhoades and I, who have watched every moment of this trial, will give you our predictions for what this jury is gonna do. Stay here. Hey, everyone. Ed Helms here, and hi, I'm Kal Penn, and we're the hosts of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question with no wrong answer. What role would I play?

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

I was just going to do that.

[TJ Holmes]

What sentence that possibly carries and the distinction as well. There are distinctions, of course, what state we're talking about.

[Amy Robach]

I put in Massachusetts. Yep.

[TJ Holmes]

First and second degree murder. There is a difference. Certainly time difference. And the premeditation wouldn't necessarily be there, so.

[Amy Robach]

Correct. So in Massachusetts, second degree murder is an unlawful killing committed with malice afterthought. So the intent to kill or cause serious harm or extreme atrocity or cruelty, but without the deliberate premeditation required for first degree murder.

[TJ Holmes]

Does it have a sentence?

[Amy Robach]

Conviction carries a life sentence with parole eligibility, often after 15 years. The court sets the exact minimum. Yes. Dang, that'd be a big difference to get. Second degree versus first degree murder.

[TJ Holmes]

They have options now. What do you think you want to tell us?

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Do you know what you. What do you think?

[Amy Robach]

I believe after everything I've seen and heard, I believe the jury is going to come back with a second degree murder conviction.

[TJ Holmes]

Why?

[Amy Robach]

Because I think that using common sense and seeing the evidence from the searches, the use of the word murder, his inability to be trusted in terms of what he says, and the unbelievably tiny, small minute chance that she died of something other than murder, that would all weigh to me. I feel like he absolutely caused her death. I don't know how he did it and I don't know that he premeditated it. I don't believe necessarily. I think it's very possible and maybe even probable that he did. I do think he saw text messages. He did Google William Fasto's name. I do think that he knew. So. But I don't think that the state proved premeditation.

[TJ Holmes]

There you go. So I, I have opinions, but as a juror, am I supposed to. I'm supposed to go with what you showed? I. I am convinced of something because of what you proved to me, and I'm just not there on it. So I, When I was talking to you earlier, if the first degree murder, I said, this is going to be a hung jury gonna do this all over again. Right? But they gave them an option. They gave them an. Anybody who's having some doubts or some questions like you and I and listening to the prosecution now has an option of going, okay, my common sense tells me this dude probably did this, but they didn't prove it. But now this gives me an option to go, eh, a little win for you, A little win for you. Maybe he still gets punished because it seems like you do want to punish him. Right. Don't you feel that, like, just there's nothing redeeming about him? No. You don't see anything about him that makes you root for this guy in the trial. It's not a just right. He's accused of something atrocious. But, yeah, I think they've given them an option now that they could say.

[Amy Robach]

Okay, so what do you think the jury is going to come back?

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, I can agree, secondary.

[Amy Robach]

And you know what? That's a win for Brian Walsh because they were not, the prosecution was not willing to offer him any lesser charge. And he tried because he pleaded guilty to the dismemberment charges and the misleading police charges. And the hope was that he could get a lesser charge for murder. The prosecution was like, absolutely not. So they had to take their chances at trial. And this for him, other than obviously not guilty, would be the best case scenario. But if he gets a second degree murder conviction, that's a win for him and a win for his attorney.

[TJ Holmes]

And like we say, we only need one on that jury, right? There could be one that's so overwhelmingly convinced that there is no way, given what the prosecution gave me, that you just need one.

[Amy Robach]

And what's so hard to know is how long, you know? Yes, you just need one. So how long is it going to take? You know, are they all on the same page now that they have this other lesser charge as an option or there are going to be die hard folks there who think, who think he premeditated this. He did this. I want first degree. Will that complicate the negotiations that go on in a jurors room now that you have multiple options?

[TJ Holmes]

You know that if I'm voting, the, the thing that would shock me is a first degree murder.

[Amy Robach]

That would shock me. So you think either second degree murder or not guilty. You think, you don't think they're going to come back with a first degree.

[TJ Holmes]

Murder charge that now that's the only one that would absolutely shock me.

[Amy Robach]

I actually agree with you, babe. I, I would be shocked if they get their first degree murder charge after everything we saw and the quality of his defense team.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, folks, this has been fascinating, but as we sit here, we are officially on verdict watch. I believe she's gonna let him go home tonight and they'll have the weekend. So, man, can you imagine going home and sitting on this over the weekend?

[Amy Robach]

Come back on Monday and, you know, we'll see how quickly they can. Because they will have deliberated essentially for at least three, four hours, three or four hours today. So maybe they will have made some headway. Maybe we'll have some questions on Monday. We can kind of get a sense of where they are in their deliberation process. But we will stay on top of it, everyone. So thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate that. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.

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