← Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
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This is an Iheart podcast.
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Amy and TJ presents Aubrey o' Day covering the Diddy trial.
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A
Okay, so let's. Let's go there. Let's talk about two things. One, you said you're not sure that they really want to get him. I'm looking at it right now. Like, I think there's going to be a hung count on the rico. I think the possession of people is going to be proved. Sex trafficking, maybe. But every day I switch and go back and forth, every day I have questions as to why the prosecutors do what they do. I. The witness on the stand now is Puffy's paying her lawyer bills. That shit is ridiculous to me. I don't even find. I wouldn't be able to find anything credible in that. But, but, but with all that being said, you've made comments about Puffy needs to take the stand and tell people what it really is. And I agreed with that. I actually said it might be his only saving grace at certain points where I thought he was really in trouble during this trial. And what I want to ask you is you've said kind of similar things. And so if he were to take the stand first, do you think he'll take the stand? Second, what's the truth that you think he could tell the jury that would make them not convict him?
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Well, first of all, I think he got great attorneys, so I think he should huddle up with his attorney and say, look, I'll take the stand. But by me taking the stand, he can take a deal for five or 10. I think that'll be a great thing for Puppy to do. Five or ten, get it out the way. Number one is, say the fact that it's all about the kids. Say the fact that if kids don't go through what they got to go through in here. And I. I think about one thing. If Puffy didn't have any children and I saw Puffy somewhere, it'd be a whole different story since, in fact, Puppy have kids. I really don't want to see Puppy somewhere because I don't want to do what I probably would do to him because I got too much love and respect for.
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A
What could Puffy say on the stand that you know is true about him that could convince the jury that the way he treated these women and the things that he's been accused of is not criminal? What could he tell them on the stand that would convince them regardless?
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Crime. If Puppy got on the stand until what he really been through, he would have those people in tears.
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What's he really. What could he say that would have them in tears? Give me one thing, Suge.
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It's sexual appetite. What he's doing. Those other people was done to him.
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Hurt people. Hurt people. Correct.
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Yeah. And puppeteer with him one day and said, guess what? I want to piss on people. I want to piss on people and let them let another man mess with my. First of all, we are proud black men, period. So you trying to tell me a proud black man gonna let a white prostitute come all over or pee all over or come all over his woman and then rub it on himself or rubbing on his own private part to have sex with? Never in life, sug.
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Is it. Is it possible. Is it possible the man that you matt met had a sexual appetite that you just weren't aware of? Because they do say with cuck. A lot of those men, sometimes the psychology behind it is they want to see men having sex. And it's a. It's a way to get around it. And in the 90s, is it true that you could not be a hip hop mogul in the 90s and a black man and also be gay? Is that true?
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So let's. Let's talk the facts. Let's not talk about what people say.
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You tell. You tell me the facts because you were there and you know better.
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Yeah, this is the thing. I would be shocked if Puppy woke up on his own one day and say, hey, I want people to pee on me. I want to take a butt. First of all, I'm not gonna. Me and Puffy, we. We not friends, but we're not enemies. This. He not my enemy.
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A
So when you were around him, you never felt he was gay?
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First of all, definitely not. Because he gonna do what he do. I know he hung with the guys, was gay, and I didn't. I'm the only. Any of those guys are partying with Puffy, they can say what they want to say. Ain't those guys are partying with Puffy. They were partying with Puffy, and I wasn't one of them. But now let's get to the point. The point of the matter is this. You can't say Puppy's not a proud black man. Puppy was cocky. It was a proud black man. He's not gonna let a slave worker or a prostitute rub his calm all over him and do certain things he didn't. That didn't come from Harlem, that didn't come from New York. That came from the industry or people who's involved in sexual crime, sexual activities. But what I'm trying to say is it's not about putting Puffy down or putting the next person down. Let's fix this shit.
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Yeah.
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Get this man a deal where you don't have to make him die in prison.
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Well, did he name names? If he got on the stand, Would he name names if he were able to get a lesser prison time to come forward and tell the truth where he could really change the industry for better. Is. Does he. Is he going to name names or is he going to. Let's say, you know, when Jeffrey Epstein went to jail, he ended up gone.
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Absolutely gonna name names. He might be stupid sometimes, but he's not dumb. He's not a dummy at all. He went to college.
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Yeah. He's very smart.
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That's not. I'm not. I'm not gonna be one of these people who try to kick somebody when they down or change history and make them look bad like all the losers you always get. Nobody is trying to make somebody look dumb. We're not gonna do that.
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Yes.
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Let's deal with the facts. He's not a dummy. If they give Puffy the opportunity to get on the stand and humanize himself, it'll be the best thing for the culture of hip hop. It'll be one of the biggest power moves for the United States. I know what that can do. They shouldn't let him get washed up now. Honestly, do we learn? Do we deserve to get something? They gotta get something.
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You're in prison. You know how it is. Could Diddy handle it?
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I think like this. I don't think they should give him a lot of time. Because let's. Let's be honest, right? A man who's somebody and a man who come for money and a man who has a name has it harder than a regular person who's a nobody coming to prison. If you take Tory Lane come to prison. Look what they tried to do to him. That dude should not be in prison. Because a person shouldn't have to go to prison to destroy their life. They should get punished and continue live their life. So I don't think it's fair at all. That's why I fought so hard. And I would have did anything in the world to make sure Snoop didn't go to prison. And I would do it all over again because that's what we both to do. I did everything that I had to do to get Tupac out of prison. That we supposed to do. I'm standing firm that I feel that putting pussy in prison with all that time it's like killing me. I don't think die for some of the crimes that activity did.
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Do you, do you believe what he's doing is sex trafficking? Because to me, a lot of men get escorts and bring them across state lines and are abusive toward them and make them have crazy freak offs and threesomes.
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They.
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A lot of people that are famous in today's culture do that. Like this is not just a diddy thing.
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Well, I look at it like this. If Cassie was doing all that stuff with Puffy and she was living in a studio and she was going to eat that Denny's and McDonald's and getting 711 hot dogs and wearing swap meet tennis shoes and you know, cheap clothes, you know, shopping at every. She have a forever 21 purse, right?
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$ Tree? Yeah.
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Oh, man. I was like, I've been like, yeah, look at it. She got a flip phone like I be having. For a different reason though. She got a flip phone and you know, can't get it. You can, you can see the nappy roots of her hair and you know, she got little titties like a boy still, right? But now if she going and getting. I ain't saying it's the case, but if she getting old jobs and change her kitties like a change they shoes and shopping and from Louis to everything else and desire this and her family's benefit also, that's part of her job now, I wouldn't do that. But at the same time, I never said this, this a woman I'm with and I love this. I'm just, this is me. She didn't have a. She didn't have a job. She didn't want for nothing. She wasn't catching the bus and she had a nice car. So we both. As a man, if you're a woman out there, I don't care if you're a doctor, a lawyer or whatever you won't call yourself to be, and you got a man and you still working, you got the wrong one. So back to this. What I'm basically saying is this. Everybody benefited, everybody signed the contract. They knew. It's not like puppy went to him and said, hey, guess what, I'm freaky. So if you want to do this, do it. If you don't, somebody else will.
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Do you believe that there is a dynamic of power and there is a power imbalance and that there was a dynamic of not understanding fully how much damage that all of this would do to them. That exists though, Suge.
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Well, you know, you gotta remember one thing. A Lot of people be blind by the fame, fine by the money, and blind by the drugs and anything. It's a. It's a. It's a drug situation because, let's be fair. You got this little white guy. I don't know who he is, but he was mute. He carrying drugs, cocaine, all kind of drugs around from state to state. He didn't get charged. You got crazy getting guns and found a serial number. It's five or serial number off of them. If you gotta. If you probably can go to Puffy. Could have went to the regular gun store and say, give me these guns. And they would. They let him buy them. They would have gave him his ID and got the stuff. But instead they got guns and took the serial number off of them. There's no charges of that. But more importantly, why is no charges for the drugs? Because all the women. All the women, the sex workers and everybody, the whole entourage, it all ends up with the same thing. Drugs and alcohol.
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The one consistent thing in every single person's testimony that's taken the stand is the drugs.
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So why. It's not a drug case.
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It should be a drug case.
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It's not a drug case because there was a drug case. There have been all these people that got convicted already.
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Well, they're getting. A lot of them are getting immunity to take this stand because prostitution is also illegal.
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But once again, we're going to start again. It's only illegal to the poor people. It's not illegal to the rich people.
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Well, it's illegal to the rich people. Now. Look at how they're getting puffed.
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No, they only getting puffed because puff pissed off the rose one who. Okay, I'm going to ask that question. First of all, you get to the liquor company, they come from the old school. The Kennedy started off as bootleggers. Most of the people, the politicians and the presidents was bootleggers, right? So the alcohol business been around forever. These guys give them a solid and said, hey, we gonna let you put up a thousand dollars? Apparently, he didn't put up no money. But what he did for Sherrock, he got so rock everywhere he got there. He danced, he twerked, he did everything.
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And no one knew he didn't own it.
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He tapped dance off the top, you know, hey, hey, he's so black, he don't gotta put no black face on. He already black as a. So he go up there and tap dance and go say, mammy and daddy's all of them. He probably did some things for a little change. We don't know about. But at the end of the day, he did an incredible job.
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He did. He did.
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Then he turned around and did a horrible job to come after him. And then they say, hey, you live in the glass house, you better not start no wild fight. The only mistake Puppy made was, I don't care how many times he spent the night at those white executives house. I don't care how many times he danced for him.
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You can't file a lawsuit and call them racist.
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But what you can't do, you can't think. You're not gonna get that black man call. You know that black man call is different. Michael Jordan got one. All the greats got a black man call.
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Tell me what the black man call is.
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Suge, the word that nobody wants to say is that call. So if you Michael Jordan, you the best basketball player in the world. Hey, you gambling? Oh, this happened. What? Kobe Bryant got one. Suge Knight got a whole bunch of them. But I already, they didn't, they didn't worry about making the calls on me because I already. I never gave up my black man pass. You know, I would. I stayed black. I never said I was nothing but black. I was born black. I'm a die black. So anyone thinks that, they don't. They don't get that black man call. They do. Mike Tyson is one of my best friends in the world. I love Mike Tyson. Tyson got a black man call. This is the heavyweight champion of the world. I got a black pin call.
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That's crazy.
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And that's the thing, but you gotta understand, O.J. simpson got a black man call.
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How do we fix that?
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How do you fix that?
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How do we fix that in the industry? How do we stop it?
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Fix it. This is how you fix it. You start off with Suge Knight and Puffy. I should be free. There's no way that somebody trying to kill me with guns. And I'm in prison. I'm doing more time than the dude who did a mass shooting. The madness brothers who killed their parents for money get better stuff in prison than me. Not only just me. Let's now go to Puffy. Puppy is not getting a fair shake now, okay, we know he did a lot of things, but what's the difference between Puppy than all the other white executives who's not even a witness, they're not a defender. It's like they don't exist. They don't gave the checks. Anyone gave him the power. They don't want to make him think that he can constantly get Away with it. But it's two things you got to understand. If they can't take the money from you, they take you for the money.
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Do you think Puff will name them if he goes under for everything? Do you think he will get. He'll be so pissed that he'll be like, I was the wrong one to with like now it's really on.
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Well, first of all, you gotta remember one thing.
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Because he has that type of energy.
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Puff getting his way how you want to get his way. I bet you're giving Puppy pills. He might can't have drugs. I bet you're getting pills to make him rest and make him sleep, make him feel better. You think the fact that Puffy, they're not naming none of the people who's involved with it at one time. Everybody was involved with it. Okay, I'm just gonna say it. I'm gonna tell you like this. What I like about Puffy, Puffy love his mother. What I love about Suge Knight, I love my mother even though she passed away. Right.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm saying this puppy is not gonna treat a Kim Porter the way he gonna treat that mixed girl, Cassie or that not black girl, the Asian girl, 50 Cent, baby mama, whatever her name is.
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Yeah, Jane. Yeah.
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He's not gonna treat her like he gonna treat a black girl. Okay? A lot of people gets into it with their wife, their girlfriends, with their lover, whatever you want to call it. But they person. I'm not saying it's not far fetched. That puppy didn't whip Kim ass. He didn't she a black woman.
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But. But he had respect for her that he doesn't have for everybody else.
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Yeah, he was respectful black women because his mama and black women. He only treated the women who wasn't black that way. One of the things should be this. They should walk in there right now and tell puppets, look, you gotta do something. You know what I mean? You got to give Snow time. You don't give me stuff you need. We're going to put you where you want to go. But for you, for you getting this deal, get your ass on that stand. Not only do you need to name names, you need to explain the situation to the world. But we won't have the situation happen again. Puppy's a smart man. He's very knowledgeable. He know what the body's buried at. Now dig those up. I'm not saying going in this telling people to be telling on people. I'm saying going there to fix the situation.
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Don't you Think he already tried fixing the situation with his lawyers prior to trial. Like, go talk to this person. Go talk to that person. Let them know I got X, Y and Z. That I'm gonna say, like, don't you think he already tried doing that?
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No, I don't think he tried doing. I think he did a great job doing it because most of the. Most of the people they want to know, they have. Want to talk to, they're not there. And the ones they do have and put them on the stand, they haven't really did nothing to really hurt him.
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Tell me who takes the stand for him? Who's going to take the stand for him, do you think?
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You know, so crazy. But all this 20 person probably kept that fool is me. All dudes who party with him, all those dudes who did this weird stuff with him is never going to take the stand. It's sad because all these guys is at Puffy's party, the white parties. Yeah, I'm not at the BET Awards, but not one person down that stand and said, free Puffy. Now one of the people got on that stand and said, puffy, keep your head up. Now. One of people came out the desk doing song.
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Is that why you feel the need right now? Is that why you feel the need right now to come forward and really, like, speak up for him? Because you've been disenfranchised in the same way in which you understand the system you under how it. Understand how it could potentially be suppressing certain people in a specific way and you feel like in his moment of need, he needs somebody to do that for him. And you're the one brave enough to do it. Is that what's going on? A little bit.
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Well, what was going on with this? You're right. I am brave enough to do it, number one. Number two is this. Well, first and foremost, we all are men of God. If God can forgive, why should I can't forgive.
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Yeah, but God is not in the courtroom and in the law, it's not going to be discussed when they have to go through the papers to convict him.
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Listen, God is in the courtroom. God is everywhere. It's God ain't sometimeing I look, you know what? And I'm going to say it about myself. And I'm getting back to that question. Most people looked at this situation that I'm in prison and it's the worst thing can happen to me. In reality, I did enough time. It's time for me to come home. But it did great things for me. I got to learn who loved me, who really care about me, who trying to use me, who got an angle and it's trying to. I don't care if it's who it is. Most people trying to just get over on it. It's the ones that really care about they can come to your own kids might not really care and you can have something. It's nothing like my father. I We can breathe and. And be the man I'm going to be as a young man because of my father.
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I love that.
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I love my kids. Right. But back to Puffy. Right? It's not right. At the end of the day, let's go by right. If Puffy gonna be on that stand, if Puffy gonna be punished. What about the people he made all the money for who taught him that type stuff? What about the women who got over and act like they didn't get over?
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They're all going to get away and the system's going to continue on exactly as it is. That's why I'm pissed about all of this is that nothing's going to change.
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That's how it's going to be. So what they want to do is they want to see. I'm not saying all the puppies lawyers, but I'm quite some of Puffy lawyers probably says the last thing you want to do. Don't get on the stand. The guy said before it says, how you gonna listen to sugar? Nice. Suge Knight's in prison. Well, you imprisoning your own home, probably.
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Well, by the way, you're in prison. I'm sitting here in my home. I think he should take the stand too. Nobody could tell Puff better than Puff. Nobody.
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Yeah, so Puffs to get up there again. But if you listening, I'm quite sure you are. But at the end of the day, cut the deal. First get a situation where they don't. Whatever you say on that stand, they won't use against you. But get on that stand. When you get on that stand, fix hip hop. Fix the culture of our people. It's not about us no more. We had our turn. It's about the younger generation. The only one we gonna help with the younger generations by teaching by the mistakes we made. For they won't be able to make the mistakes we made. And they will not allow the higher ups to take advantage of it.
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Suge is the biggest mistake not remaining the owners of every idea and everything that you did possible and allowing other people. Like Puff said, I'm not scared of the white men. I can see I'm scared of the ones I don't see. Like, is it not allowing those type people that you see or don't see, not allowing them to ever be involved in your business, business, your money, and making sure that you always own everything that you create? Is that the answer?
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Well, I always own everything. I created nobody but me.
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I know, but what do you want to tell the young kids? What do the young kids need to know?
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What I want to tell the young kids is this. Know this. You always supposed to own your stuff. Don't sell your soul. Stay in control of your money. Don't trust lawyers. Lori's is the worst. The worst is the worst of the worst, Lori, is the lawyers do more cocaine and drink more alcohol than anybody. They're gonna sell you out. They know I've been looking at the system better than anyone. Because the lawyer is just the guys who grew up not popular. They won. The cool kids. So once they get in a situation to be in the room with the cool kids and they got time to help us, they're gonna hurt us.
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It's the same with all the owners of the labels. I said it the other day. It's the same with all the owners. There's all the talented people that get together. And then some nerdy white guy that went to an Ivy League school that nobody ever cared about ends up being the one who runs everybody. And he just hopes he could get an invite to the party.
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Right? But a lot of dudes in the industry, in the entertainment industry is not guys who even went to college. There was a losers who they was kept and got patted on the ass and did strange things for favorite. Okay. How many kids do Busta Rhyme has?
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I have no idea.
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How many times you see busting Ryan with him with a bad or two.
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Not money. Not. I don't see him with.
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All right, I'm not gonna steal that. I'm not gonna stay on that game. But you know where I'm going with this.
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Yeah.
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Have you seen any of these guys? It's too many names to name. But if you look at gangster rappers who was gangster rappers in the 80s and the 90s, don't they look phantom.
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Why are none of Puffy's artists 90s coming forward? Why don't. From Mary J. Blige, May Faith Evans. Why aren't we hearing from any of the bad boy artists in the 90s at all? Not even like an opinion of the trial. Why are they all. None of them are in the documentaries. None of them are taking the stand. None of them are even taking his side or not taking his side. You can maybe look who they follow or don't follow, but other than that, it's silent. Why are the 90s so silent on him? That's a big question. I have.
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The reason why they so silent is this. They are so scared. They are slaves. These people are slaves to the point where they scared of these people. They're not scared of the gun and the knife. They're not scared the streets. They scared of the people in the suites. So they're gonna do this. They're not gonna speak on Puffy. They're gonna message and sent to them. They don't want to be next.
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I called Mace to come do 50s documentary. It was, you know, his name's attached to it, but it's Netflix. And I told Mace, you know, a my generation of making the band is doing this documentary. And I called him to come do it. And he basically told me in so many words through this conversation, you're still in that slave mentality of having like so now 50s owning the story of it all. You're just handing over this story and everything that you experienced over to another master. Like, that's not the way. So. So if they are operating like that, then why when I call them and say come over do is the response, you're operating like that still. And I don't like. What is it with 50 and puff that is so deep?
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B
Well, I'mma put to it like this. I don't really know 50, you know what I mean? And I think 50 is real good at what he does. I think performed his ass off as an artist. I think he grabbed people's stories and he did a lot of things. And 50 got the microphone, and you can't beat the man with the microphone. If you got. If I. I don't. I don't have a problem with 50, but I know if I got into it with 50, I'm gonna knock on the door, you ain't gonna out talk 50. But I think with 50 them, I think what all the guys should do in the culture of the hip hop and all that stuff, right? I think all you guys should stop fighting amongst yourself. Why not let the story be told the right way and done the way.
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It should be how what is the right way?
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This is right where we got to do. Takes a man like myself to be able to say, you know what, Snoop, you might have did some things I didn't like. I know I did some things you don't like. You know Me. But I tell you what, let's do it for the culture of hip hop. And that goes with anyone. If, If. If Puff and I was out right now and I thought that me being shaking his hand is going to save a lot of lives and help a lot of people for the culture of hip hop, I would do it because I don't think one person is bigger than the culture of hip hop.
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Absolutely.
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So blessed and lucky, be able to take care of our families and our kids and the woman we love. And. And like I said, I'm not gonna have a woman. My woman, is she working?
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Shug, let me end us there, because I want to say this to you. This is what makes you that good Godfather of hip hop, the one that you want to go visit that you don't feel weird about, the one that can learn from the past, that can bridge the gaps, that can take acknowledgment, take credit, understand, learn, grow, become a man of God, understand all the growth that the position that you're in right now was there to give you. And. And now your. Your soul, thinking and thought is all kind of encompassed by wanting to make the system better for the people that come after us, which is where I'm at with it as well when I report on this trial. And that is the number one reason why you were the first person that I wanted to speak to on this podcast. It took me a few guests to get to you, but that's why I really love your voice.
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B
No, well, the good thing. I'm glad you got to. But you got to end it. One thing, he was talking to the wrong people. So everybody. Everybody looking for something and trying to bring their people into something who those people don't have nothing to do with nothing. But once again, it's like this. I mean, this. You know, I think you're incredible, and I had studio time for you. I had some records for you. Not because I'm trying to compete with Puffy or anybody else. Only person I compete with is me. But I knew your energy is great. I know you're a wonderful woman. I know you're a beautiful woman, and your talent speak for itself. I had this studio time set for you. I had writers, I had everybody, and everybody saw, man, she incredible. I said, I can tell. I said, I could tell. The way she talks. She gonna kill it in the studio. And I wasn't trying to put you on death row. I wasn't trying to do no label. I just want to give you some love and show how great you Are let the world know you incredible. Let's go back to the real city stuff.
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What I want you to do is I want you to end it on something that you feel is powerful, is the most powerful message you could relate to the people right now. I want you to end it for us.
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B
This what I would like to say. First of all, I'm going to take accountability of a lot of things I did wrong in the industry, artistries or society because no one taught me. I had to learn on my own. And I think it's very important that we always give women they cigars, respect women, love women, and treat women how they supposed to be, as queen. And if you're a man out there, don't live off the woman, take care of the woman. But the most important thing that I would like for you is you so talented, you so smart. I got real, real love for you. I think you should get the people in the industry. And I have, I have a lot of stuff already done, actually. A person who has a real, real talented person, you speak to her later at some point. Okay. We need to have our own series. We need to have the stuff that really happens in the industry that we know firsthand. Like, I know the most exciting thing about what happened at Rufus. Living with Easy, you got. Some people say, oh, this happened. You wasn't there. Or Death Row or bad boy or 50 cents. Herb Gotti, come on, nobody give. Herb Gotti died and I'm not out there. But I feel they didn't salute her the right way and give him cigars the right way.
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A
Yeah, Irv was always so nice to me. He never hit on me.
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B
Yeah, he deserved to go out the right way with his cigars. But I think it's so important that we are the people who really started hip hop, who really made a difference for hip hop. All of us. There's not one person more important than other, but we should be. We should be the one telling these stories, putting on these shows and let it be. Not only is it entertaining, but it's also, yeah, that's what we should be doing. Enough is enough.
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A
And I completely agree with it. And I think the only. I think the only reason that it wouldn't end up ever happening is if the people who run the system decide that that's not who they want to tell the story. And that's one thing I want to always remind the audience of when they listen to any episode. There's always, just like you said today, it's such a powerful potential. Alleged quote that Diddy said, I know the people that I could see, see. I'm worried about the ones I can't see. And the ones that you can't see are the ones that make very big decisions and they decide things. So. And even when you think you know and you think you have some control and you think you're running shit, you'll learn quickly that you're not if you slip up.
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B
But if we stick together. But once again, if we. We don't have to love each other, but we should be able to accept each other. And once we learn how to do that, once we accept each other, Puppy wouldn't be getting life in prison. Not saying he should or he shouldn't, but he shouldn't be getting life. He should. There's no way he did it. I feel like this Puppy did more good than bad. I know I did more good than bad. I know you did way more good than that. You didn't deserve how they came at you.
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A
I haven't done any bad. I. I'm starting to realize I could have been a little more freaky than I am.
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B
First of all, what she was given was a vagina. They wanted. They didn't want the vagina. They really wanted something else. It's not your fault. But that's the crazy thing about it. But the thing is back to. Back to the facts, right? I think the most important thing we need to do from this. This point on, everybody should just check their egos and leave that shit at home. I think the people should make sure that Stan with a fair shake.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I think that people should learn from that. I think they. The people who did wrong in the industry who's always hiding behind the doors, they should be put on the front page and be exposed. I think for all us out there who got so much more to give, they help the people. Let's do it. Let's stop talking about each other. I don't take. There's nothing to say something good about somebody.
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A
Yeah, right. There's plenty of people I don't like, and I could tell you something great about them.
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B
Right? And. And as a man. Right. As a man. Don't be a. If you can't say nothing to a man's face, don't say it all. And if that man is in. If that man is dead and passed away, you don't got to say nothing bad about it. He's already dead. He's in heaven. If that man in prison, you don't got to try to talk about him. Don't all of a sudden, you have a suge nice story. Because I'm in prison, you can't walk up to me and explain to me what you want to say to me face to face. Don't talk about it. Be about it. You don't gotta go and get on a podcast for being your feelings, you know? I mean, so all that is not saying at the end of the day what need to be done. They need to make sure Puffy gets on the stand.
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A
I agree.
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B
At the end of the day, we need a union. We need a union right now for hip hop. All these people in hip hop, you know, it hurts me to see now. I love Isley Brothers. I love all the old school guys. Right?
- [34:38]
A
Me too. Isley Brothers are my favorite. You know, Footsteps in the Dark is one of my favorite songs in the world.
- [34:44]
B
All right, cool. That's my favorite. I gotta go. You gotta go at the end of the day. Enjoy your day. Have a blessed day. And remember one thing, that because I'm in prison, that don't mean I'm not busy and have things to do. I'm Suge Knight signing out.
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A
Love you, Suge.
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B
Bye.
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A
Thank you for listening. That is my favorite human, Suge Knight. I Heart Radio, presented by Amy and tj. We are covering the trial. Thank y' all for listening. This is an I Heart podcast.