Erica (4:00)

That was a doozy, right? That was a Diddy doozy. To see that and to hear Mark Agnifolo talk about what it was like, the reception that Diddy got when he left that courtroom and and walked back into that Brooklyn prison, that they were all rallying around him. They all were supportive and congratulating him. It's hard to imagine what it's like to be Diddy in prison and to see that he had the support of his fellow inmates. I guess maybe it shouldn't have been shocking, but it kind of was.

Mila (4:30)

Still, when you hear some of the details, I suppose some of it starts to make sense. But I guess some initial headline thinking this is a man who was on trial for some pretty atrocious stuff that we saw him do, some awful, awful, monstrous stuff. If you take it just on that level, without the context, and to think that he beat the case and anybody applauding that seems a little in bad taste. Yeah, it seems bad.

Erica (4:57)

But these are fellow prisoners. These are people who have also either been charged or convicted of probably other heinous acts, certainly some of them violent. So perhaps it makes sense if you think about it from that perspective because this was kind of. Well, I believe Mark Agnefillo said this was a moment where these men in this prison, they don't get to see anybody who beats the government. And so this was a win in a weird way for all of them.

Mila (5:24)

Look, I take. And again, I said as in context of a standing ovation, there are a lot of people, even if they don't say it on social media, even they don't say it publicly, they are in their own way applauding that the government didn't get away with what a lot of people consider trumped up charges. This is. Rex, you're overreaching. And you should not be going out to this man for this. You should be going out to him this, this and this, which we all agree with and we saw. So in that context of, look, every black man who gets charged with something in this country is not Nelson Mandela, okay? He's just not. But there are plenty of black men who have plenty of experience and there's been plenty of evidence of how black men have been treated by the justice system. So to walk into a prison and see, wow, you made it. It was like they have almost something to aspire to in applauding the fact that someone actually beat, in a way not got away with a crime. So different. They're not applauding that he got away with a crime. They're just applauding that the government didn't get you on this bullshit. And a lot of them, I know, everybody on cell block D, that's a joke, says they're innocent, right?

Erica (6:36)

Yes. Everyone, they, it wasn't them. They've been falsely accused. They didn't do what they are charged with, certainly, but this. So I'm curious what you think Mark Agnafillo, when he was giving this interview to the Associated Press talking about this win that Diddy had, it was a symbolic win for all of the black men incarcerated. I think he said it was the best thing he could do for incarcerated men in America.

Mila (7:02)

That's going to be a stretch. That's going to be.

Erica (7:03)

That was a lot for me to read.

Mila (7:05)

That's going to be tough. Because of what. It's so hard to separate these two things. There are two things. It is possible that the government overreached and did Diddy wrong. That's possible. It's hard on the other hand, to say it in the same breath that. About a guy who we know committed crimes that we saw and we would have no problem with him going to Prison.

Erica (7:31)

They were indisputable. And even he admitted to it. And you said the prosecution did Diddy wrong, potentially by overreaching and charging him with. With charges that weren't appropriate for the crimes that he did commit. And I think a lot of folks believe the prosecution did the victims wrong by that as well.

Mila (7:49)

There you go. Nailed it. The government did everybody wrong. It was wrong to go after Diddy in this way, and it was wrong to the victims to do it. I guess to stretch. It was a bit of a stretch for what their experience was, perhaps. And we treating them like what we always. Domestic violence is so hard in this country to deal with, to prosecute, to have conversations about. And so we looked at a guy who was a domestic abuser that. Don't we. We want them all in prison. Yes.

Erica (8:19)

And he should pay for those crimes 100%.

Mila (8:21)

Nobody's arguing that point, but they're not standing up and applauding that he got away with beating the hell out of women.

Erica (8:28)

Yeah.

Mila (8:29)

We got to be clear. That is not what they're applauding. And I think the same thing applied to the O.J. simpson trial, to where there were people who white folks looking on one side going, why are they dancing and celebrating that this man got away with murder? No, that's not what it was about.

Erica (8:45)

I'm. I'm curious. Mark Agnafillo said he talks to Diddy four to five times a day, which I thought was actually very interesting, that that's how often they speak. But when he said, maybe it's. This is what he relayed to the ap, that he told Diddy on one of these phone calls. Maybe it's your fate in life to be the guy who wins. They need to see that someone can win. And he said. I think he took that to heart. Do you think that the reaction, even by the fellow inmates, the support he obviously had from his family and friends and from his legal team, do you think that does change him, that he feels now maybe even like he is a role model? And that's where I was getting a little bit concerned, that somehow, okay, fine, he didn't get charged with the things he shouldn't have been charged with in the first place. But let's still remember what he did and even what he admitted to doing now, to kind of act as if he's up on a pedestal and can be a role model. This is where I'm having a hard time with this now. We can't take it too far the other direction. I can't. I Just don't think that's probably a good place for anyone to consider him or even for him to consider himself in that category.

Mila (9:56)

We need to pipe down a little bit on the idea of him being a symbol, him being a hero of any kind, or. Nobody's going that far. I understand Close is saying, but they never see anybody beat the government. Yes. And that's fine on particular charges. That, again, I'm just using that term loosely trumped up. But it is what it is. And that's. I just the idea of anybody applauding or celebrating in some way this man. Like, even if you can agree with the verdict, you still aren't hooting and hollering and yay. That's just. There's nothing about this case that should be celebratory for anybody, except, quite frankly, for Diddy.

Erica (10:39)

Right. And that could maybe be best in a private celebration. Perhaps. But it was also interesting to hear Mark talk to the AP about the defense strategy and how they went about defending Diddy without ever putting a witness on the stand. I thought it was interesting. This is a guy, Mark Agnifullo, who was a federal prosecutor in Jersey, who actually had prosecuted gangs and other violent enterprises with racketeering. So he knew federal racketeering charges like nobody else, inside and out. And that was fascinating.

Mila (11:13)

He knew what he was doing. He knew what he was up against, and he knew how to rip it apart. He knew where the holes in that damn statute were. He knew how to go after it. And the idea. They walked into court with the strategy of this. Yep, he's an awful boyfriend. Yep. He beats women. That does not make a racketeer.

Erica (11:34)

Yeah.

Mila (11:35)

He is not a sex trafficking racketeer. He is an awful guy to date.

Erica (11:39)

Right. They. Or they took the. They took the wind out of. Out of the prosecution sales by just fully admitting that from the beginning and never trying to argue that he was a good guy. They were like, yeah, he's a terrible boyfriend. He's a violent boyfriend, but he is not a sex trafficker. And he wasn't involved in some racketeering conspiracy. I mean, he said it was pretty interesting. He said, because he knows racketeering so well, having been a federal prosecutor. He said, if you know how the car works, you know where the fail points are. And he said this prosecution had dozens, dozens of fault points.

Mila (12:16)

He. They tore it apart. It was almost shocking. This is something they. I think we teach kids this, and as adults, you learn this thing, you take away somebody else's power to insult you or come after you. If you just admit it, if you say, yep, I did that, you give them nothing else. Like, what's your next thing to say? If I say, yeah, I'm violent. Yep. I was on drugs. Yep. Treated those women terribly as a boyfriend. Yep. Domestic abuser, all that stuff. Like, what's the next thing the prosecution is gonna say?

Erica (12:47)

Exactly.

Mila (12:48)

But yeah, but you gave two pills to those two people that your assistant brought to you. Haha. Stop.

Erica (12:55)

And he and Mark made such a good point. He said they didn't have conspiracy because they basically just took Diddy's private life and his deviant sexual ways and then tried to build a racketeering case. He said, on personal assistance. And that's just common sense. It just didn't. It did not rise to that level. The jury is not stupid. The jurors knew better and they knew those weren't the charges that he was actually guilty of.

Mila (13:21)

I say your guy, Brendan Paul. Brendan Paul describing his baby face. Yes, he is running and helping Diddy run an enterprise.

Erica (13:27)

Come on. Just seeing, seeing the personal assistants take the stand and then still actually saying how much they loved and respected him. It just, it was. Now that you hear Mark talk about it and once, you know, we were asking ourselves when we were hearing all of the jury's questions and wondering what they were thinking and which charges that if any, they were going to find him guilty on. And, and he, obviously we saw the defense team looking deflated after the first day of, of deliberations, but then Mark told the AP what he was going through that evening and then into the night, and it was pretty fascinating to hear where he was.

Mila (14:07)

We tried to. I remember this, and I'll give you credit for it, you came to the conclusion before Mark Agnafillo did. I remember sitting out here. We're still here. We've talked about. We're on vacation now. Sitting out, what is it, 90 degrees?

Erica (14:20)

Yeah.

Mila (14:21)

We are blazing out here right now, looking at two pools in an ocean. So all that's great, but we were sitting right out here, robes the other day and we were trying to piece together last week when the verdicts came down. Like, wait, if they're hung up on this one, but they got decision on those four. What does that mean? What does that mean? Mark Agnafillo and Diddy and the team didn't immediately know what it meant, apparently. But you put it together just through common sense. You came up and explained it to me, said, nope, you know what? They've only got him on two, he said, because of sex trafficking. If he was guilty on sex trafficking, he'd be guilty on racketeering. They can't come to a decision on racketeering. That means it can't be sex trafficking. That's exactly what his deterrent.

Erica (15:02)

He's figured out. I think he said it. He came to that epiphany at three o' clock in the morning. And he. And he immediately, when he saw Diddy, he told him, you're going to be okay. They're not going to get you on racketeering because they can't get you on sex trafficking, which means you're probably guilty of prostitution. And didn't he say that he called a fellow attorney on the team and said, let's start working on bail because let's get him out, because if he's just found guilty on transportation for prostitution, we have a chance of getting him out of prison.

Mila (15:32)

That is maybe the best detail from his interview with the ap. And it's fascinating to me because you and I, we did this. If you all want to go back and listen to that previous one where. Where the. The day that the jury came back and said they were deadlocked on count one of racketeering, you and I were in real to just look, what does this mean? Well, maybe it's this. Maybe it's nothing. And you were the one, you said, nope, this is it. And I agreed on the spot. You are 100% right.

Erica (15:59)

Because it suddenly made sense. It was funny that our process was a little messy. We didn't have it planned out. We were just in real time trying to spitball and figure out what could this mean, what could it mean? And that's exactly what his legal team did. And so the day that Diddy walked in and that verdict was ready the second day, he seemed lighter, he seemed brighter, because Mark had already figured it out and told him. And so now it's like he had a confidence about him that he didn't.

Mila (16:25)

Have swagger, pep in his step walking through the court.

Erica (16:28)

Yeah, because the night before when they left, they were hugging each other. There was concern. He told his mom, it's gonna be okay. Like, everybody was kind of preparing for the potential worst. And then just an epiphany happened. And then suddenly there was confidence. There was a little swagger. They knew what was coming.

Mila (16:44)

It makes it you again. I want to give you credit because I remember that moment.

Erica (16:48)

Oh, my God.

Mila (16:48)

Wait a second. If they had him guilty on sex trafficking, then blah, blah, blah, and it makes sense. And they figured it out. You figured it out faster than his attorney did. I give you credit for it, Robes. They didn't figure it out.

Erica (16:59)

They were probably, they were probably very emotional. We were detached and being and able to look at it from, you know, a completely different point of view without being blurred by emotion. Because can you imagine just the responsibility you feel as an attorney, what you've probably prepared your client for, but what you're hoping for and then if it all goes to shit, you know that you're the one who's going to be blamed.

Mila (17:19)

And Agnafillo has been with him throughout. He has been with him even before he was actually arrested. I didn't realize. But Agnafilo told him when his homes were raided in 2023. 4.

Erica (17:31)

2024.

Mila (17:33)

Gave him a heads up. You're going to be arrested for sex trafficking. He said they're going to arrest you for sex trafficking. Gave him a heads up. So they knew it was coming. Didn't exactly know when, but they knew it was coming. So it is this guy. I don't want to interview him. I want to sit down, have a drink with him.

Erica (17:48)

Yeah.

Mila (17:48)

And just talk.

Erica (17:49)

It's fascinating, it really is to hear.

Mila (17:52)

A lot of this stuff. But folks, stay with us here. When we come back on the other side here what Agna Philo now tells us Diddy is up to and what he is going to be doing when he eventually gets out of prison. Stay here.

Erica (18:10)

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Erica (20:22)

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Mila (20:26)

The New York Daily News, it's Teddy Escapes, Blonde Drowns.

Erica (20:30)

And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes.

Mila (20:38)

Will Ted become President? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

Erica (20:43)

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

Mila (20:46)

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Erica (20:57)

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Mila (21:07)

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Erica (21:12)

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Mila (21:23)

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Mila (22:42)

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Erica (22:44)

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Erica (22:53)

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Mila (22:54)

Listen to you versus you as part of my Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we continue now talking about Mark Agnilo giving an interview with the Associated Press, giving us some more details and insights into what happened, happened during the Diddy trial and around the time of the verdict and giving us some insights into where Diddy's head is and what he is going to be up to when he eventually gets out of prison. But robes while this is going on around verdict time. Right. He gets that good news, if you will, about all the verdicts. But we have to remember he still has all these civil cases going on. Got hit with another one, what, a day or so after the verdict actually comes down. And the, and look, we shouldn't be surprised by that, but it was interesting here. Cassie Ventura Fine is named in this new lawsuit.

Erica (23:56)

Yes, his name is Clayton Howard and he was one of the escorts who, according to tmz, was a part of the prosecution's case. He was referred to by a pseudonym. But he has now filed this lawsuit against Cassie and Diddy. He says they drugged him, manipulated him, traumatized him. And he said that Cassie reveled in Diddy's power. He painted a very different picture of, of Cassie. He said. He claims that she actually got pregnant by him, had an abortion, didn't tell him. He claims he got an STD from Cassie. I mean, he has put in some pretty, pretty outrageous details into this lawsuit and he.

Mila (24:41)

We don't know if they're true. We don't, of course, off the wall, though, to hear some of this stuff.

Erica (24:45)

But he is speaking to a completely different side of Cassie that was not talked about in court. He very much said that Cassie embraced Diddy's power, that he. She used his power to manipulate him. So he. Yeah. Has named them both. And so here we go.

Mila (25:04)

If they were aware of him, why didn't they call him?

Erica (25:08)

I don't know that answer.

Mila (25:09)

You know, and we're aware of him that. Did he have a different story to tell that didn't go along with the case they were trying to put on? That question will certainly be asked. But you say this is a guy they were aware of. And all of this, the detail he appears to have. This is. Wow. And we're talking about. Look, he. He is not. Look, people are on the fence about it. How much what was consensual versus coercion. This back and forth. He is painting a picture of her being a partner in crime with Diddy and they as a duo are responsible for assaulting him.

Erica (25:45)

Correct. And he also kind of. Well, he doesn't kind of. He goes after the prosecution saying that they were very much aware that Cassie was what he said was a co conspirator with Diddy, but he says they only cared about getting Diddy. So they didn't mind putting Cassie up as a victim when in his experience, he claims she wasn't, because they only cared about bringing Diddy down.

Mila (26:08)

Wow. So, yes, that's still out there. We. We probably need to do an update at some point about the actual lawsuits.

Erica (26:15)

Yes.

Mila (26:15)

Like to get. There is a collection out there of the actual number and the count. Go ahead.

Erica (26:19)

Well, I was just going to say, if you were paying close attention to the trial, he was identified as Dave during the racketeering trial, according to him. So there were a few times where the prosecution referred to and talked about this male exotic sex worker as Dave. He says that was him. So he said, believe me, the U.S. attorney's office knew my story, knew all about it. They just didn't like what I had to say about Cassie. And that's why he wasn't put up on the stand.

Mila (26:46)

And he. According to him, there was some claim about a delay or something with his attorney for why they. Why they didn't want the lawsuit to drop while the trial was still going on.

Erica (26:55)

Correct. Because he was asked about that. He said he did try. He said he wanted to file his civil suit before or at least during the trial or whatever. But he says his attorney, Tyrone Blackburn, was actually trying to protect Cassie's reputation during the trial. So he wouldn't allow his lawsuit to go forward until after the trial so as to protect Cassie. These are all of his allegations.

Mila (27:16)

So yes, that's still happening. But yet no matter what happens with Diddy and you we talked about it Robes anywhere from the prosecution asking for as little as what was a 9, no 21 months.

Erica (27:25)

Yes.

Mila (27:26)

He served almost 10 now. So he would might end up with just another year in jail. The prosecution is asking for up to five years but again he served nine or 10 months. So worst case scenario we're talking about.

Erica (27:39)

Four years and that's no one ever serves their actual sentence. So he's looking at the most a couple of years and that's it and he'll be out.

Mila (27:47)

Is there a chance the judge doesn't send us him to anything because there are plenty of legal experts saying if this was a run of the mill person who with no criminal background, with no convictions, no nothing had these charges, they go home. Who knows they would go home. But agnafilo disc he didn't tell us much about how did he was doing. Said he's okay. That's pretty much all he's okay about Diddy being okay. But Rose, he's always already talking about whenever Diddy gets out of prison we know immediately what did he is going to be doing and is not getting back into the studio. Is not trying to rebuild any type of combs enterprise or bad boy entertainment. He's working on himself.

Erica (28:25)

Yes. He said he's going to enter a program and actually he said re enter a program for domestic abusers. He said he had started the process before he was arrested. He says that Diddy recognizes that he has a lot of personal issues. I believe he said he has personal flaws that he's now come to realize he has and that no amount of fame, no amount of fortune will erase him. That he has to do the work. And so he says that his client is prepared to do the work. I believe he said yes. Diddy burns hot in all matters. I mean so basically he's admitting, they're admitting that he has a massive anger issue or you know, anger management issue. He can't control his rage.

Mila (29:06)

Do we take look? I don't know. Is. Is there a redemption in this? It's hard. When you see the video, what do we do? I mean, what do we do? I mean we got years to figure that out. If somebody never wants to see this man's face again. I hear his name, I Hear a single song, I would say, okay, that makes sense. I don't know what grace. I don't know how to go about when it's something this that we saw and we heard so much about being that egregious. No, I don't think it's mob boss type stuff, but some pretty awful stuff it is.

Erica (29:41)

I. I am somebody who believes that most people can. Can redeem themselves, but it's going to take a lot of time, a lot of years, a lot of work and a lot of hard work. And he's going to have to prove it publicly. I don't. I mean, I don't know that he'll. I mean, it's hard to imagine he'd ever become anywhere close to the success he was beforehand. But you know what I. I am a believer in. I am a believer in redemption. But you have to do the time. You have to pay the consequences first, and then you have to do the work. I think you have to have. I mean, rehabilitation is huge and important, but I think you have to. You have to do the time first. You have to be punished first. And that's what he's going through right now.

Mila (30:23)

Is that where we are? We're deciding whether or not justice has been served based on the crimes that we saw?

Erica (30:28)

Yeah.

Mila (30:29)

So what is the. What is justice? Is it so many years in prison? Does it matter what the charge is? I mean, Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion.

Erica (30:37)

Correct.

Mila (30:38)

The number of people he was responsible for killing and the harm he did, but he still went to prison. I mean, is that justice? I don't know.

Erica (30:46)

It's a version of it. It might not be perfect, but it's a version of it. And I think everyone. The judge agreed that Diddy needed to stay behind bars, that he was not someone that they could trust not only to. Not. Not as a flight risk, but also just his violent nature. And that makes a lot of sense. So he. You know, they call whether they say retribution before rehabilitation. That is what's happening now. And it's good to hear that that is his plan when he gets out, is to go directly into a program for abusers.

Mila (31:13)

Look, those. The women involved. Look. I believe Mia.

Erica (31:18)

Yep.

Mila (31:19)

I believe Jane. I believe Cassie Ventura. Fine. I believe same. The stories they have. I believe that every bit of those stories should be applied to a case to put him away for domestic abuse, for whatever violence, for threats. For what? I agree. No argument.

Erica (31:40)

Just not for racketeering and conspiracy and sex trafficking.

Mila (31:43)

No argument. People have. I think that's now, unfortunately, this feeling that he got away with beating women, he got away with abusing women, and.

Erica (31:51)

That'S the prosecution's fault.

Mila (31:53)

And that's.

Erica (31:54)

That's just my humble opinion. And Tuesday, tomorrow, we are going to get maybe a little bit more of a sense as to when his sentencing will actually take place. It was announced Oct. 3 at the trial, but then the judge decided that he would hear the defense's argument to expedite that hearing so that he could go ahead and get an earlier sentencing date so we can continue serving his time. He's getting credit for time served, but we'll have more information tomorrow after that. It's a video conference that's happening.

Mila (32:23)

Yeah, I think just nothing in open court of any kind. I don't think the public's going to see that. I think just a really. A private conference with the job. Do I think I have this right? Judges and the attorneys.

Erica (32:32)

Yep.

Mila (32:32)

Just gonna discuss. So we should get some info and see when he might be sentenced. But they're trying to speed this thing along. They've. They've won. Now let's. The clock is ticking on him getting.

Erica (32:41)

Out of jail, period. All right, well, we will continue to update you, believe me, anytime we get any more details about what happened. We've heard from a few jurors we've heard from, but nothing, nothing significant. So there's probably a lot more details to come out, and certainly we'll let you know what happened with tomorrow's conference. But thank you for listening to us. As always, we appreciate you. I'm Amy Robach on behalf of my partner, TJ Holmes. Hope you all have a wonderful day today.

Mila (33:14)

I know a lot of cops, they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season one, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there, and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Erica (33:43)

The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila. And we're the hosts of the Good Moms Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talked too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your try. Listen to the good Moms Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast. If you're looking for another heavy podcast about trauma, the saying it this is for the ones who had to survive and still show up as brilliant, loud, soft and whole. The Unwanted Sorority is where Black women, femmes and gender expansive survivors of sexual violence rewrite the rules on healing, support, and what happens after. And I'm your host and co president of this organization, Dr. Lea Trittate. Listen to the Unwanted Sorority new episodes every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple.

Mila (34:43)

Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jeff Perelman. And I'm Rick Jervis. We're journalists and hosts of the podcast Finding Sexy Sweat. At an internship in 1993, we roomed with Reggie Payne, aspiring reporter and rapper who went Sexy Sweat a couple years ago. We set out to find him, but in 2020, Reggie fell into a coma after police pinned him down and he never woke up. But then I see my son's not moving. So we started digging and uncovered city officials bent on protecting their own. Listen to Finding Sexy Sweat on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy.

Erica (35:25)

Drove a car into a pond and left to drown.

Mila (35:30)

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

Erica (35:40)

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.