The Diddy Trial:  Diddy Won’t Testify.  Right?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial

Episode: The Diddy Trial: Diddy Won’t Testify. Right?
Release Date: June 19, 2025
Hosts: Amy Robach, T.J. Holmes
Guest: Aubrey O’Day
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction to the Trial Status

The episode opens with hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes, alongside guest Aubrey O’Day, delving into the ongoing trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs. As the trial enters its sixth week, two pivotal questions dominate the discourse:

1. Will Diddy testify?
2. When will the trial conclude?

Host 3 initiates the discussion by highlighting the current state of the trial:

"We are wrapping up the sixth week of testimony and the Diddy trial. And two major questions remain. One, will Diddy testify? Two, when will this thing end?" (02:40)

Potential Testimony of Diddy

A significant point of speculation is whether Diddy will take the stand. Historically, defense attorneys advise high-profile clients against testifying to avoid unfavorable cross-examinations. Hosts explore this dilemma:

"I mean, you never know with someone as well, he's larger than life, someone with the ego the size of Diddy might actually want to take the stand." (05:16)

However, skepticism prevails as Host 3 seeks legal perspectives:

"Find me one. I want to find one lawyer who would say, I would recommend he take the stand." (05:24)
Host 1 counters, emphasizing the strategic disadvantages of testifying:
"Taking the fifth probably wouldn't look good. So it's a no-win situation for most defense clients and specifically when you're somebody like Diddy." (05:38)

Jury Deliberations and Scheduling Challenges

The trial's timeline faces disruptions due to unforeseen events and logistical challenges. A key juror's illness postponed proceedings, coupled with the federal holiday, Juneteenth (03:14), complicating the schedule. The prosecution now must adjust their testimony schedule, potentially extending the trial:

"Now looks like that's going to happen to Tuesday at the earliest, but maybe even as late as Wednesday because the prosecution still has three witnesses to put on the stand." (04:00)

The hosts predict that despite these delays, the prosecution aims to conclude their case promptly to allow the defense to commence by Tuesday:

"I think it's a pretty decent guesstimation that the defense will begin its case no later than Tuesday." (07:24)

Implications for Witnesses and Victims

A critical aspect discussed is the safety and future of the witnesses if Diddy is acquitted. Many witnesses testified under immunity, raising concerns about potential retribution and the adequacy of protections in place:

"What happens if Diddy is found not guilty? Are they concerned about retribution? Are they concerned about their safety?" (17:51)
Host 1 expands on the emotional and psychological toll on these individuals:
"There are so many questions, and there's got to be so many people who are having sleepless nights until the outcome of this trial is known." (17:51)

Public Perception and Future Impact

The trial's high-profile nature has profound implications on public trust in the justice system and the willingness of other victims to come forward. The hosts draw parallels to other cases, such as the Harvey Weinstein trial, highlighting the complexities jurors face in emotionally charged cases:

"This is a case where you're deciding whether or not someone who most of these folks have probably at least listened to, some of whom probably have long admired this person who now, if they rule in a certain way, will be behind bars for the rest of his life." (15:24)
Host 3 reflects on the broader societal impact:
"This just creates an environment where you feel like you can't win again, that you're re-victimized by the justice system and there is no such thing as actual justice." (20:54)

Final Thoughts and Trial Progress

As the trial approaches the critical phase, the hosts emphasize the uncertainty surrounding the verdict and its aftermath. They acknowledge the trial's complexity, the high stakes involved, and the intense scrutiny it faces:

"This is going to be studied for a long time and I'm fascinated. And the truth is no one knows what's going to happen. No one." (22:02)

Concluding the episode, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes assure listeners of their continued coverage:

"We will keep you updated. We'll keep our eyes on any new information that may come down today that could affect tomorrow." (23:26)
They also extend well wishes to listeners celebrating Juneteenth:
"In the meantime, we hope you are enjoying your Juneteenth today and we hope you'll check us out for the next episode that drops." (23:26)

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Notable Quotes:

• "Will Diddy testify? Two, when will this thing end?" — Host 3 (02:40)
• "Taking the fifth probably wouldn't look good. So it's a no-win situation for most defense clients and specifically when you're somebody like Diddy." — Host 1 (05:38)
• "What happens if Diddy is found not guilty? Are they concerned about retribution? Are they concerned about their safety?" — Host 1 (17:51)
• "This creates an environment where you feel like you can't win again, that you're re-victimized by the justice system and there is no such thing as actual justice." — Host 3 (20:54)

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Conclusion

This episode provides an in-depth analysis of the ongoing Diddy trial, exploring legal strategies, jury dynamics, and the broader societal implications of the case. Hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes, along with guest Aubrey O’Day, offer a comprehensive overview, ensuring listeners are well-informed of the trial's complexities and potential outcomes.

Transcript

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[Host 3]

Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, June 19th. We are wrapping up the sixth week of testimony and and the Diddy trial. And two major questions remain. One, will Diddy testify? Two, when will this thing end? And with that, welcome to this episode of AB&DJ. We continue to update you on what's going on right now. Nothing going on in court, of course, robes off for the Juneteenth holiday, but still a lot going on behind the scenes. They're off today. That might be a problem for the judge's schedule.

[Host 1]

That's right, because they knew they were going to be off today. Today, of course, is a federal holiday. June, Juneteenth, June 19th. I, I mixed those two together, matched them up together. But yesterday was a surprise, of course, that there was no testimony because a juror went home sick. So now they have to make up for that lost time from Wednesday, of course, the lost day today and Friday. Now the prosecution has to pick up where they thought they were beginning on.

[Host 3]

Wednesday and just a half day on Friday as well. That messes with the schedule, which they're off a half. There's a half day for a good reason. One of the jurors has, I think, a son's graduation, so they're letting them do that. I think that's really nice to hear. That's one of the kinder sides of the federal government, I guess, in the federal court system, I should say. I thought it was nice.

[Host 1]

That is nice. But it does extend the timeline from what they thought they were going to be able to hand over the part of the trial to the defense. Now looks like that's going to happen to Tuesday at the earliest, but maybe even as late as Wednesday because the prosecution still has three witnesses to put on the stand. And a big one indeed in Diddy's former assistant, Brendan Paul, who has been duped, AKA Diddy's drug mule.

[Host 3]

But yeah, he was there and ready to go Yesterday. Everybody was ready to go. Then we got the word about the sick juror. But if we go back robes, the timeline from the very beginning was always the judge says he wants this thing wrapped up by the Fourth of July. He has stuck to that. The prosecution started. They actually kept shrinking their timeline of how long they would take. It was six weeks and five. And they. So they're kind of wrapping up on time. They haven't drawn things out. The defense said initially they wanted two.

[Host 1]

To three weeks and that's when a lot of folks thought that perhaps that might mean that Sean Combs, Diddy himself might get up and take the stand. Although most defense lawyers would tell you that's not usually the best course of action. But who knows with someone as well, he's larger than life, someone with the ego the size of Diddy might actually want to take the stand. You never know.

[Host 3]

Find me one. I want to find one lawyer who would say, I would recommend he take the stand. I would love to hear that argument.

[Host 1]

It's almost never the case because of what can happen during cross examination in.

[Host 3]

A case like this, when the. Can you imagine giving the state the right to ask him anything and he has to tell the truth because he's under oath? That's just not. That's not happening.

[Host 1]

Yes. And taking the fifth probably wouldn't look good. So it's a no win situation for most defense clients and specifically when you're somebody like Diddy. But still, when they said two to three weeks, that did have a lot of people wondering with that much time who would be on the stand for that long where they would need that much. Because obviously I think most folks know who are listening in the court of law in a criminal proceeding, the defense doesn't even have to put up a defense. They really don't. They don't have to put anyone on the stand. It is. The burden of proof is solely and completely on the shoulders of the prosecution.

[Host 3]

That always seems so ballsy to me when I see some cases over the years where they say, no questions for the witness, no questions for the witness. When the prosecution is putting on and in your case, we have nothing.

[Host 1]

The defense rests in the defense rest.

[Host 3]

I'm like, wow, y' all feel real good. You'll try something. Put his mom up there, Let us say, do anything. That's always interesting to me.

[Host 1]

And so now the question is two to five days. They may be toying with who to put up on the stand, but it doesn't appear as though I think, you know, look, anything can happen. But I think it's a very safe bet at this point that we can say with a fair amount of certainty that Diddy is not going to be taking the stand in the defense of himself.

[Host 3]

We would say that anyway. But after we hear the two to five days, obviously it would take a lot longer if he was going to be on the stand. So that moves the timeline. You were looking at the calendar. So if all this the best, the most likely scenarios are that the prosecution won't rest until Monday, but that so.

[Host 1]

With a half day on Friday and a full day on Monday, there is a chance that they could still bleed into Tuesday, but I think Tuesday at the latest.

[Host 3]

Let's go with Tuesday. The defense starts putting on its case. Or will the judge say, go home. Go home for the day and come back tomorrow and start fresh? Will he. No, he wants to save time.

[Host 1]

I think it's a pretty decent guesstimation that the defense will begin its case no later than Tuesday.

[Host 3]

Tuesday. Okay, so let's go. They take two days. That at least. I mean, let's say safe. They go through the end of the week, next week.

[Host 1]

I think that's probably likely.

[Host 3]

Okay, so then we go to the.

[Host 1]

Following week, which is the week of the Fourth of July.

[Host 3]

Okay, so June 30th is the Monday. Do I have that right?

[Host 1]

Yes. June 30th is the Monday, and then 1, 2, 3.

[Host 3]

So that would give them a few days to deliberate before the Fourth of July holiday.

[Host 1]

Yes. And most juries will. Anyone who's served on a jury will tell you that that is foremost on many of their minds, especially with a big holiday like this, which is a big part of family and fun. There aren't many fun holidays in the summertime. This is the big one. And so, yeah, I think that the jury is going to be highly motivated and incentivize to come back with a verdict by July 3rd, which would be that Thursday, it actually would be two weeks from today. Two weeks from today. The hope would be that the jury would come back with a verdict.

[Host 3]

You brought up a funny point. The idea of. Right. We already had one juror dismissed for being a little shady about where he lived. Another one is being talked about right now for possibly discussing the case with a colleague. The idea of 12 diddy jurors going.

[Host 1]

To family gatherings and the alternates, too, because they can't. They can't talk about it either.

[Host 3]

But the idea that they go to a family gathering. Every single family member is coming up and asking about the trial.

[Host 1]

You are the most popular person at whatever gathering you're at. Period. No question. And do you think if you've had a couple beers up in you or whatever it is you choose to drink and relax with on the 4th of July, lips might get a little looser. I think they might.

[Host 3]

Oh, yeah, this is gonna be. Hey, everybody, gather round. Don't tell nobody I told y' all this. Oh, goodness gracious. Yeah, they. They can't turn them loose for the Fourth of July.

[Host 1]

But if they. But I was just imagining what if, okay, say the, the defense goes a full five days and what if they can't come to an agreement? The judge may have to say, don't talk to anybody, don't talk to anyone at your barbecue. Don't talk to your family. And just have to hope that that's the case because you can't. I mean, there's no way that they would push the jury to make a quick decision. And I imagine they. The Fourth of July is also a federal holiday. Correct. So they automatically are going to be off on the 4th of July, which is a Friday this year. Yes. Yeah. Which is going to be even a bigger party, a bigger celebration, bigger fireworks. Yeah. By July 3rd, people are already getting ready to party.

[Host 3]

That's tough. And think about Diddy and that just for everybody in this case to think we have an extra day or long weekend to wait for something like that, that's tough. I know the judge wants to get this done, but it's. Can you imagine waiting for your fate and then having to wait through a three day weekend?

[Host 1]

Look, and these charges are complicated and they're not, they're not. You know, a lot of folks aren't familiar with what does it take? What is the burden of proof for racketeering? What is the burden of proof for? Is it sex trafficking? I mean, there's just, there are. These are complicated federal charges that require a lot of. I would. I'm sure they're going to be asking questions and asking for further explanation. This isn't just a cut or dry case.

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[Host 3]

Yeah. And do you know he's only been having court from nine to three every day? But he'll let them deliver as long as they want to during the days, won't, won't they?

[Host 1]

I mean, the judge up to the judge's discretion and whatever the. The court hours are.

[Host 3]

Why? Oh, yeah, because everybody has to stay.

[Host 1]

Yes.

[Host 3]

Wow. What to your. I was. We were talking about this before we started recording and saying, well, how quickly can we just raise our hand and guilty, guilty. You have to go through all this stuff and you were just reeling it off. It was hard to keep up with as one count of racketeering, conspiracy. Now if you go into the jury room, first thing, what is that?

[Host 1]

Rico. Everyone says rico.

[Host 3]

That's complicated as hell to me. And then the other were two counts of sex trafficking and then two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. Some of that seems cut and dry based on some of the evidence we've seen. Oh, absolutely. But transportation to engage in. I still would have to look up exactly what that means. And they exactly follow the law. And if you pay for this ticket, but not that ticket doesn't mean this. And I don't. It's. It is, it's. I can't imagine to what we were saying here. The jury going in there and being able to come up with a verdict in a day, two days, that seems.

[Host 1]

Like that is very hard to imagine that happening in this case with what is on the line. Also, I think most of these jurors, it would be hard not to consider this as a human being. This isn't just a case where you're deciding somebody's going to go away for a couple years. This is a case where you're deciding whether or not someone who most of these folks have probably at least listened to, some of whom probably have long admired this person who now, if they rule in a certain way, will. He will be behind bars for the rest of his life. The gravity of that, the weight of that, the responsibility of that, I imagine in and of itself would give each juror more pause to carefully consider this. And if you just have one person who doesn't want to vote to convict, one person who feels unsure about his guilt or innocence, that can hold everything up. And, you know, we've seen in a recent jury where you had someone come and tell the judge, I feel unsafe to go back to that deliberating room. This is, of course, in the Harvey Weinstein trial here again in lower Manhattan just this past week. They deliberated for three days. They were fine on the first few charges, but when it came to the rape charge, the most serious charge, one juror just would not agree with the other 11 jurors. Yeah. That Harvey Weinstein was guilty and actually ended up going to the judge saying, I don't feel safe going back to this jury room because he was the only one who didn't want to convict on that charge. So, you know, anything can happen. You can have a split decision. You can have a hung jury, but it also depends on the judge to decide how long you'll let the jury sit out before you end up declaring a hung jury. So, I mean, there's just so many different outcomes, and it would be wonderful if it were all wrapped up by July 4th, but I think it's possible, but it's not a guarantee.

[Host 3]

But to get 12 people. That's right. 12 people have to agree on everything, if just one. And you mentioned so much of the emotion and what you know of the guy and what's at stake. And then after hearing the emotional testimony of the women and like you, so much is weighing on you in the decision. I didn't think about it that way, that it's very personal to a lot of these jurors. I thought it was complicated and it was heavy, but it is emotionally confusing. A lot of what we have heard that does weigh in a decision. But to get 12 people to agree. I don't. I don't know.

[Host 1]

The other thing I was thinking about. And we can get more into this, I think, in some of the episodes that we will put out when we're waiting for the verdict or at least if there's some time, because another thought that I had about all of these women who came forward, especially even. I mean, we had Mia testified under a pseudonym. We had Jane testifying under a pseudonym. And several of these employees who were compelled to testify, they were given immunity. What happens if Diddy is found not guilty? Are they concerned. Are they concerned about retribution? Are they concerned about their safety? Is there any protection put in place for any of these folks who said they did what they did because they were afraid of Diddy? What happened? So there's just so many questions, and so much is on the line, not just for Diddy, but for the folks, for the people who bravely or in some cases were forced to testify against him. What happens to them if he isn't behind bars? I just. I've had all of these thoughts or, you know, there's got to be so many people who are having sleepless nights until the outcome of this trial is known.

[Host 3]

Okay, well, we're going to have, as a country, maybe a sleepless night if. If he walks after this trial. And then we're all confused as to why. We heard horror after horror after horror, and we saw videotape of the horror, but he's not going to serve any time and no punishment for that. Now what does that do? When you mentioned survivors, when you mention people who have interview women in particular to see this trial this high profile, what had what these women were forced to talk about in the public and after all that, my abuser is going home. That's gonna be a tough conversation.

[Host 1]

I just got chills from head to toe because this isn't just about Diddy and this isn't even just about these particular victims. And I think regardless of the outcome, it's fair to say we've said this in the podcast and I think most people would agree that these women were victimized in some way, shape or form. And whether or not complicit in other acts or not, they were still victimized in a lot of ways. But what this will do to future cases, to current cases that are out there, how does this impact women or men or anyone who has felt abused or undermined or didn't feel like they had the power to speak up for themselves or get out of a situation. It just creates an environment where you feel like you can't win again, that you're re victimized by the justice system and there is no such thing as actual justice. I mean there are so many ripple effects that could from this trial because it's being watched so closely and because the details have been so salacious. It's something that people not only are paying attention to, but some also something that they won't forget. And it may affect future trials or future. It may affect the ability of people to come forward in the future.

[Host 3]

I mean to put yourself out there like this, I know it was a part of a legal case. They were subpoenaed. They had to be there. But still to be. I mean some of the stuff they admit we heard the word how many times Humiliating. It was embarrassing. They felt shame. Then they had to live it all again on the stand and have it recited all over the world. I to do that. There are plenty of women who are watching this who are going through some kind of hell right now in some relationship and watching that and feeling more and more helpless as the clock ticks because what does justice look like? Look, every blow you saw him land to cassave into refine. He's not being charged with that. So that to a lot of people is confusing. And so the government's going after him. All this big stuff. Okay, that's fine. But that's what was the other Amber heard, right? Remember that Johnny Depp, Amber heard there was a big conversation about abuse at the time and what would that do to victims and do about coming forward because she, she came forward, then she ends up being sued. Right? It was. So this was a fascinating one to me.

[Host 1]

Well, and the tough thing about this case in particular is that this wasn't a case in which any of these women went to police. It was only years later that they went to a lawyer and then pursued it with civil charges and with a financial ask at tied to the end of it. And that is also something that has a lot of folks questioning motives and questioning whether or not these women were actually victims or if they were looking for another way to be financially compensated for what they went through, which is there is a difference between the two. So, you know, there are a lot of questions and there's going to be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking when this trial is over with. But it has been fascinating from start to now. We're in the middle of this and honestly I, I think what will happen in terms of what the defense will present and how the jury will go through all of this confusing information and make a determination about what they think the what justice looks like, what it is. This is going to be studied for a long time and I'm fascinated. And the truth is no one knows what's going to happen. No one.

[Host 3]

Well, we think we know what's going to happen tomorrow. They are supposed to be back in court tomorrow. We haven't gotten official word that all is good with the juror as of this recording at least. But if that's the case, they'll be back in there at 9am but going to wrap by 1, I think in the afternoon. And that'll be it for the day. So we will see if the prosecution does actually rest its case.

[Host 1]

Yep. But we will keep you updated. We'll keep our eyes on any new information that may come down today that could affect tomorrow. But in the meantime, we hope you are enjoying your Juneteenth today and we hope you'll check us out for the next episode that drops.

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