The Diddy Trial: “Find Him Guilty”

Summary

**Podcast Summary: "Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial"
Episode: The Diddy Trial: “Find Him Guilty”
Release Date: June 26, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Amy Robach, TJ Holmes, Aubrey O’Day

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Introduction

In the episode titled "The Diddy Trial: 'Find Him Guilty'," hosts Amy Robach and TJ Holmes delve deep into the high-profile trial of renowned artist and entrepreneur, Diddy. Joined by Aubrey O’Day—a former protege of Diddy, a television personality, and a platinum-selling music artist—the trio offers an incisive analysis of the proceedings that have gripped the nation’s attention.

Prosecution's Closing Arguments

The episode opens with Amy Robach addressing the lengthy duration of the prosecution's closing argument:

Amy Robach [00:57]: "The prosecution just took four hours and 50 minutes to give its closing argument in the Diddy trial."

Robach highlights the extensive nature of the argument, which exceeded the initially anticipated four hours:

TJ Holmes [01:21]: "They said they were going to need maybe four hours. There's almost five."

The prosecutors, led by Christy Slavic, meticulously outlined the charges against Diddy, focusing on:

1. Racketeering Conspiracy
2. Sex Trafficking
3. Transportation to Engage in Prostitution

Slavic emphasized the gravity of the charges, particularly sex trafficking, by presenting specific instances where Diddy allegedly coerced individuals into unwanted sexual activities. For example:

TJ Holmes [06:02]: "She also named the moment or the instance of Cassie's birthday when she, in front of all of her friends, wanted to go and stay at her birthday party. Instead, he forced her to go and leave her own birthday party to go and have a freak off."

The prosecution also introduced surveillance footage to substantiate their claims, aiming to leave a lasting impression on the jury:

Amy Robach [07:06]: "They played that video, that surveillance video from the hotel for the jury again today as a part of the closing argument."

Defense's Strategy and Reaction

Following the exhaustive prosecution presentation, the defense team, led by attorney Mark [17:57], faced the daunting task of countering the allegations. Amy and TJ speculate on the defense's upcoming moves, anticipating a substantial rebuttal:

TJ Holmes [08:10]: "The prosecution is nailing it. Then we got into some cross examinations, like, wait a minute."

Robach expresses curiosity about how the defense will challenge the prosecution's narrative, especially concerning the legal definitions of prostitution and the intent behind Diddy's actions:

Amy Robach [08:37]: "How is that not a no brainer?"

The hosts anticipate that the defense will argue the consensual nature of some events and question the legality of the charges, potentially framing them as misunderstandings rather than deliberate crimes.

Trial Dynamics and Juror Perception

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the jurors' experience during the lengthy proceedings. Amy notes the absence of visible reactions from the jury during the prosecution's extended closing:

TJ Holmes [03:45]: "They are not allowed to talk about the jurors' reactions... because then we would get a read on what they were thinking or feeling about the prosecution versus the defense."

However, reports indicate a shift in demeanor among Diddy’s legal team post-argument:

Amy Robach [18:00]: "Everyone left the courtroom, Diddy stayed back with his attorneys... they were in good spirits after they heard what the prosecution had to give for their closing arguments."

The hosts discuss the implications of the defense team's relaxed demeanor, suggesting confidence in their upcoming rebuttal.

Legal Implications and Potential Sentencing

The charges Diddy faces carry severe penalties:

• Racketeering Conspiracy: Up to life imprisonment.
• Sex Trafficking: Minimum of 15 years per count.
• Transportation to Engage in Prostitution: Up to 10 years per count.

Robach and Holmes dissect the prosecution's argument that Diddy's actions, regardless of the participants' willingness, constitute criminal behavior under the law:

TJ Holmes [08:28]: "He knowingly transported an individual in interstate or foreign commerce intending for that person to engage in prostitution."

They emphasize the straightforward nature of these charges from a legal standpoint, questioning the defense's validity in contesting them.

Prosecutors’ Focus on Co-Conspirators

A notable strategy employed by Christy Slavic involves implicating Diddy's close associates, KK and Drock, within the criminal enterprise:

Amy Robach [16:15]: "KK and Drock are certainly. Maybe those are the only two we need now to be co-conspirators."

This tactic aims to strengthen the prosecution's case by demonstrating a broader network of individuals complicit in the alleged crimes.

Jury Instructions and Judge's Conduct

The hosts touch upon the jury instructions and the judge's demeanor, noting an unusual level of relaxation from the presiding judge:

Amy Robach [19:19]: "At one point he was so chill. He took his shoes off."

This observation raises questions about the judicial environment's impact on the trial's proceedings and the participants' perceptions.

Closing Thoughts and Anticipation of Future Proceedings

As the episode concludes, Amy and TJ reflect on the complexities of the case and the pivotal role of jury perception in determining the outcome. They anticipate intense defense strategies in the upcoming sessions and speculate on the potential sentencing Diddy may face if convicted.

TJ Holmes [21:11]: "The prosecution can know that if they actually push too much, perhaps that might upset the jurors."

The hosts express keen interest in how the defense will navigate the robust prosecution case, highlighting the trial's unpredictable nature.

Conclusion

"The Diddy Trial: 'Find Him Guilty'" provides listeners with a comprehensive breakdown of the ongoing trial, emphasizing the prosecution's extensive efforts to secure a conviction and the anticipated challenges from the defense. Through insightful commentary and expert analysis, Amy Robach, TJ Holmes, and Aubrey O’Day offer a nuanced perspective on a case that intertwines celebrity, legal intricacies, and high-stakes drama.

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Notable Quotes:

• Amy Robach [00:57]: "The prosecution just took four hours and 50 minutes to give its closing argument in the Diddy trial."
• TJ Holmes [01:21]: "They said they were going to need maybe four hours. There's almost five."
• Amy Robach [07:06]: "They played that video, that surveillance video from the hotel for the jury again today as a part of the closing argument."
• TJ Holmes [08:28]: "He knowingly transported an individual in interstate or foreign commerce intending for that person to engage in prostitution."
• Amy Robach [19:19]: "At one point he was so chill. He took his shoes off."

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Transcript

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, June 26, and the prosecution just took four hours and 50 minutes to give its closing argument in the Diddy trial. And welcome to this second Diddy update edition of Amy and TJ Robes. Let me ask you first about that. Just the timing of it. They said they were going to need maybe four hours. There's almost five.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. No, and that is a big difference when you're a juror sitting there listening to one prosecutor, Christy Slavic, go through painstakingly detailed evidence. And can you imagine what that would be like? They did get a lunch break, so that I'm sure, was helpful. But then you get a little sleepy with all the food you just ate.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm just saying, to go four hours seemed long to me already. And then to say. So she announced and it was written. All the court reporters, you know, put out an alert saying, the prosecution says it needs another hour. Can you imagine what the jurors felt when they heard that?

[Amy Robach]

Wait, do I have it right? It was so they started at 10 this morning. So she got two hours, lunch break, two hours. They took a little break, and that's.

[TJ Holmes]

When she came back and said, I need another hour. That's tough.

[Amy Robach]

That was a tough one to see. And look, we don't have the advantage here. I am not familiar with this prosecutor. I think most people in the country are not. So Christy Slavic, I mean, I don't know, how does she deliver? Does she speak like a quiet librarian? Is she very loud? Is she very Entertaining a lot of histrionics and how she presents.

[TJ Holmes]

That's interesting because you're right. We don't get to watch it. We don't get to hear it. We can only read her written words. So we don't know if she's animated and engaged and interesting and a good storyteller. I think most lawyers at that level, if you have that position, have to have some performance capabilities to them. You know, people say you should have been a courtroom lawyer. Like you could have been a courtroom lawyer.

[Amy Robach]

T.J. what now?

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, I've always thought that.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, I actually think you would have been a good prosecutor.

[Amy Robach]

Really on that side of things. Yes, I do know.

[TJ Holmes]

I think you would have been an excellent prosecutor.

[Amy Robach]

Going after the bad guys doesn't feel like something I would do.

[TJ Holmes]

Oh, see, I thought you said that feels good.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, no, but you would be great.

[TJ Holmes]

No, but there, I think there is an always in a good prosecutor, in a good attorney, there is some theatrics.

[Amy Robach]

So we have no idea how this went about. And again, it can if you listen to one voice for five hours a lot. And also going through things and not necessarily interesting. Well, it's all the stuff supposed to be interesting, but telling a, Weaving a story and hey, this goes with this. And make sure you put this together here. And then you must find. I don't know, that's. I am curious to know how the. I didn't get a good reading from any of the reporters. Maybe you did. Of how the jury seemed to be doing.

[TJ Holmes]

I did not. And I, I, maybe they're not allowed to talk about the jurors reaction and their faces while listening to an attorney because then we would get a read on what they were thinking or feeling about the prosecution versus the defense. I don't know because I haven't seen one report.

[Amy Robach]

See, I think back now and the times they've referred to the jurors have been about. Someone had to turn their eyes away from a screen or they didn't look at a video or they turn. They have.

[TJ Holmes]

Mentally, they have. But I did not see any reporting about how the jury was handling or reacting to this long delivery of a yes, a closing argument by the prosecution. Now, Christie Slotvik took the jury through each charge that Diddy is facing. One count of racketeering conspiracy, two counts of sex trafficking demanding that both Cassie and Jane had to have sex, and then two counts of transportation to engage in prosecution. And we know that Diddy is facing with all of these charges, life in prison.

[Amy Robach]

So Christie Slavic, the prosecutor spent most of the first part of the day. We did that in part one, kind of went over that, the racketeering conspiracy, going through what it takes to convict him on that. But the sex trafficking. Rochi spent the last part of the day. So this had a lot to do with Cassie, had a lot to do with Jane. So you have to prove this point. Sex trafficking, you point this out. I missed it in the earlier note, but made the point point to the jury, like confess to the jury. Yes. Not every freak off was sex trafficking.

[TJ Holmes]

That's right.

[Amy Robach]

That was important to note.

[TJ Holmes]

I didn't realize that. So, yeah, she said some of them, they were happy to be there and there was. There was no coercion. And so she said, but there were specific instances. One of them, of course, was where we saw that tape in the hotel. Interconnected, correct? Yes. So that night in specifically she said was absolutely sex trafficking.

[Amy Robach]

The point there, and this is now, this is a very simple way to put it, sex trafficking is forcing someone through. It could be through violence, it could be through any other coercion to participate in a sex act. We saw her being beaten and dragged to go back, we're told now, to a sex party. And that is the textbook definition laid out for us for sex trafficking.

[TJ Holmes]

She also named the moment or the instance of Cassie's birthday when she, in front of all of her friends, wanted to go and stay at her birthday party. Instead, he forced her to go and leave her own birthday party to go and then have a freak off. So that was another time. And then there was a third time where there was a male escort, Daniel, I think was his name. And he said, Daniel Phillips, I believe.

[Amy Robach]

Why do we know male escorts full name?

[TJ Holmes]

I actually just can't believe that just rolled right.

[Amy Robach]

We know who Daniel Phillips is.

[TJ Holmes]

Daniel Phillips, sorry. So he said that.

[Amy Robach]

Amazing.

[TJ Holmes]

Did he wanted to go again? She said no, he pulled her into the other room. He heard slapping and screaming and punching and said, go back and do it again. And the only reason why it didn't happen again is because after Daniel, Phillip witnessed that he. Well, he couldn't get it up. But the prosecutor said, hey, just because it was cut short, you still had a witness seeing Diddy force Kathy to do something against her will with the threat of. And the actual experience of violence that we all saw. Yes.

[Amy Robach]

And they did. They played that. You shouldn't be surprised. But yes, they played that video, that surveillance video from the hotel for the jury again today as a part of the closing argument. So that is something again, they're, they're going to have in their mind, seared in the mind. I don't know how they get it out of their minds at any point during this, during this trial, but that's like going to the jury room with that. And again, they've gotten five hours. I don't know if there's a limit to how much they'll have for rebuttal in this case.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't know. I know. I don't think there is a limit. I think that the prosecution can know that if they actually push too much, perhaps that might upset the jurors. So, yeah, I'm sure they know what they're doing, but who knows exactly how long they'll need. But I think it might depend on what they feel they need to rebut what they hear from the defense. The other issue that Kristi Slavic focused on was transportation to engage in prostitution. He's facing. Diddy is facing two counts of those. But they have to prove that he knowingly transported an individual in interstate or foreign commerce intending for that person to engage in prosecution.

[Amy Robach]

That's the actual legal prostitution. Excuse me, that's the actual legal. Yes, for it. But again, piecing all that together, that seems. Okay. It seems simple to a layperson. Right. You are not permitted to pay someone to cross state lines or to travel for the purpose of having sex for money.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct.

[Amy Robach]

You're not allowed to do that. So it seems that they do have a long list of receipts of him doing just that. So how is that not a no brainer?

[TJ Holmes]

It seems like it would be. And she also pointed out Kristi Slavic to the jurors that just because even in some of these instances, if Cassie or if Jane were totally willing to participate, if the male escorts were. Were totally willing to participate, their willingness to perform the sexual acts does not change the illegality of Diddy paying for the acts. And so that was kind of like a, oh, an aha moment that she pointed out to the jury. So even in some of those freak offs where everybody was there because they wanted to be there, it still didn't make Diddy not culpable for the illegality of it.

[Amy Robach]

Okay, so if that seems again, layperson, and I'm sure tomorrow we're going to hear from the defense attorney and we're like, duh, that's not prostitution at all.

[TJ Holmes]

That I can't wait to hear that though, because I've still yet to hear how that isn't prostitution.

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[Amy Robach]

But do you remember we had a point at the trial where we were going through all this stuff, and we were like, wow, wow, wow. The prosecution, prosecution, prosecution is nailing it. Then we got into some cross examinations, like, wait a minute.

[TJ Holmes]

Right? I mean, isn't that what makes watching a trial so fascinating? Because you find yourself. I mean, Absolutely. For the first few weeks of this trial, I was like, oh, Diddy is going to prison for the rest of his life. Oh, my God. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I couldn't believe what I was reading. And then all of a sudden, when the defense really started going, I really think from that Perry Mason moment on, I started to go, I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

From this trial.

[TJ Holmes]

I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

Right. And, oh, look at that sweet text. So, oh, she planned that free call. Yeah. It just. It. The back and forth. It is. It's tough. The highest form. And this is reality drama. This is real stuff. We are following a reality show we can't even see.

[TJ Holmes]

Right.

[Amy Robach]

That's how gripping this thing has been.

[TJ Holmes]

It's kind of like a fireside chat back in the day. We have no. We had some courtroom sketches, but that's it. Now the other thing that we heard the prosecutor bring up with was this notion, we heard this through the trial, that Diddy attempted to obstruct justice. So once Cassie Ventura Fine had her civil lawsuit out there, they claim he panicked. He got his, his, his boy D. It's Drock. Drock. Yes. I knew that and I hesitated.

[Amy Robach]

I can't remember his real name. I don't.

[TJ Holmes]

Damien, I think that's a hard one to forget.

[Amy Robach]

But Drock, now Drock and kk, how are they not all a part of the same trial? They, they make it sound like they should be co defendants.

[TJ Holmes]

I need to actually, yes. It's weird that they aren't charged if they're a part of all of this because. But anyway, Drock calls, according to the prosecution, calls Mia and basically is like, hey, you know, Puff was always like that with Cass. You know, like they just fought like normal couples. And she immediately thought what is going on? And the prosecution said, hey, just remember they were calling people who they knew might be called in any form or fashion to be a witness to testify. And they were trying to placate them, they were trying to manipulate them, they were trying to obstruct justice. So that was another big point she wanted to make for the jurors.

[Amy Robach]

You know, they're making him sound in that instance, I guess it's important to talk about that because an innocent person doesn't do that.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct? Exactly. It's the COVID up sometimes that gets you more than the crime itself. And so just to show that they were trying to go ahead and clean everything up and cover all of their bases, showed that they knew they had done something wrong or he had done something wrong.

[Amy Robach]

They've been focusing today as well. And I was. You and I were going back and forth on this about can you have a criminal this enterprise and have this RICO charge if the people who also are around you aren't also willing participants, knowing participants in the crime. Right. He has somebody go get him baby oil. That doesn't mean that person is a part of a criminal enterprise. He doesn't know what the baby oils for and he doesn't know that or some of the drug running. But they're. They focused a Lot today on KK and Drock. KK and Drock. These are folks of his inner circle who are part of keeping people quiet, planning a freak off. So they're built. They've made more of a case today. Why Drock and KK are certainly. Maybe those are the only two we need now to be co conspirators.

[TJ Holmes]

So they were co conspirators. But then you remember earlier in the day in the morning session, Chrissy Slavik did say, even though the other folks you just described as foot soldiers, even though they didn't know a crime was being committed when they were doing these tasks that they were supposed to do and for fear out of losing their jobs, they did them anyway. They said that still was a part of the enterprise that they were discussing. Some people knew but some people didn't. And that didn't mean that it still wasn't all a part of this enterprise.

[Amy Robach]

This is incredible that we've gotten now to this point of the trial. It's been seven, so they've had seven weeks and now five hours. The defense took 30 minutes to present its case and now we'll see how long they decide to take with. And I don't know that the, his, the lead attorney, his lead attorney is doing the clothes, I believe. Mark.

[TJ Holmes]

It's got a. Angela. It's an Italian last name that I can't say.

[Nyla Simone]

Mark.

[Amy Robach]

But we know escorts names, but we.

[TJ Holmes]

Can'T remember right exactly. But they, they too say that they need about four hours. And of course that obviously is not something that's black and white. We'll see how far they go and how long they go. And I'm sure they might be recrafting what they're going to say after they heard from the prosecution. But this was of note. I read court reporters describing once everyone left the courtroom, Diddy stayed back with his attorneys. And they described they were watching the defense team after hearing the prosecution give their last final push to the jurors. They said the mood was light, there was even some laughter. And it seemed as though they were in good spirits after they heard what the prosecution had to give for their closing arguments. I thought that was really interesting because they weren't performing. The jury was gone, the public was gone. This one reporter said they kind of stood around and was just kind of watching to see how the team was reacting and just interacting. And so it didn't seem as though it was a performance. It seemed as though they were pleased with how things went today.

[Amy Robach]

What was. Did you see as well I was surprised yesterday at the jury charge conference where the attorneys and the judge were going through jury instructions. Jury wasn't in the room. Said he. At one point he was so chill. He took his shoes off. Yes, I read that under the table. And that is just. Was playing with his feet. And he was just so relaxed at the table. What is happening right now?

[TJ Holmes]

So. So that. So that was what happened yesterday. And then I saw this morning, and I talked about this in part one, that this morning when the jury first came in, they said he looked very different than that guy who had his shoes off chilling in the courtroom. He was rubbing his palms. But perhaps it seems as if they. Or as they watched the prosecution give their closing arguments, his mood shifted back to maybe where it was yesterday. He seemed chill, relaxed and light. Light was the word they used.

[Amy Robach]

I'm curious to see if the defense pulls another. I don't know. They've had time. They will probably make a major presentation. I would be surprised if they get up and say, you know what, we're good. We don't need any time for this. Oh, no, no, no.

[TJ Holmes]

No. They need to have. This is their. This is jury. Is there. Like this is them talking directly to the jurors. Do not convict our client. He didn't do anything illegal or he didn't do anything. What he's being charged with. They're not saying he didn't do anything illegal. They're actually saying they're copying to the fact that he was violent, he was a bad guy, that he was using drugs, that he was addicted to drugs, all of those things. So they're saying, yeah, he made some bad choices and he did some illegal things, but he didn't do what the prosecution says he did.

[Amy Robach]

This case is fascinating. He has confessed to several crimes. None of them he's been charged with.

[TJ Holmes]

That's wild. That is wild.

[Amy Robach]

In some variation, I guess they say it falls under all this. It's just. Yeah. And again, the. What we just talked about. The. And a reminder, the prostitution chart where keep getting this mixed up. Rose in front of us. Transportation to engage in prostitution. That is the one that only goes a maximum 10 years in prison.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct.

[Amy Robach]

So two counts, transportation to engage in prostitution. A maximum of 10. Is he going to get a max?

[TJ Holmes]

Who knows? And he'll get credit for time served with whatever charges he. If he's convicted of any of these charges, he'll get. Yeah, probably around that a year.

[Amy Robach]

Sex trafficking, Isn't that the one. That one's the minimum 15. So those two counts a minimum of 15 years. And in the racketeering conspiracy, that's the one could get up to life in prison.

[TJ Holmes]

So it is interesting again to note that the mood was light at the defense table after the prosecution prosecution finished its closing argument.

[Amy Robach]

Hey, look, this is why we usually don't do 2D updates a day, because at this point of the day, we have been up since 2, 3 in the morning.

[TJ Holmes]

Sorry about that.

[Amy Robach]

Like pasta Toosen.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, if you actually, we probably will end up in the same boat tomorrow on Friday and at the end of the week, getting up that early and then staying up all day following this, it actually might be a comedy podcast, hearing us try to speak at the end of that very long day of this very long week. But if you've made it to the end, thank you for listening to us and we will be back with you tomorrow and we'll do our best not to mess up how to pronounce things and stuff like that.

[Amy Robach]

Oh my God. Say bye.

[TJ Holmes]

Bye.

[N/A]

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[Nyla Simone]

It's Black Music Month, and we need the Talk is tapping in. I'm Naila Simone. Breaking down lyrics, amplifying voices, and digging into the culture that shapes the soundtrack of our lives.

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Like that's what's really important and that's what stands out, is that our music changes people's lives for the better.

[Nyla Simone]

Let's talk about the music that moves us to hear this and more on how music and culture collide. Listen to we need to Talk from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Katherine Townsend]

This is an iHeart podcast.