The Diddy Trial: Harassing the Witness

Summary

Summary of Podcast Episode: "The Diddy Trial: Harassing the Witness"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: The Diddy Trial: Harassing the Witness
• Release Date: June 3, 2025

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Introduction to the Diddy Trial

In the fourth week of the highly publicized Diddy trial, veteran journalists Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes provide an in-depth analysis of the proceedings. This episode, titled "The Diddy Trial: Harassing the Witness," delves into the contentious courtroom dynamics and pivotal testimonies that have captured national attention.

Courtroom Turmoil and Violations

The episode opens with an account of courtroom disruptions that set the tone for the day's hearings. A significant incident involved a man who breached a court order by revealing the real identity of the star witness, Mia—a pseudonym used to protect her privacy.

Amy Robach [01:25]: "Another day of testimonies in the books. We will go through that for you in a second. That full day was described as combative."

T.J. Holmes [01:25]: "A man who was in the courtroom on Monday apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym."

The judge responded by banning the individual from the courtroom, emphasizing the serious implications of violating such orders. Additionally, passionate Diddy supporters disrupted the proceedings, with one woman being removed for shouting profanities at the judge.

Amy Robach [04:00]: "A woman, the judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out, 'Diddy, these mother effers, laughing at you.'"

Key Witness Testimonies

The trial featured testimonies from two primary witnesses: a representative from the Beverly Hills Hotel and Mia, the former assistant alleging rape and sexual abuse by Diddy. Mia's testimony proved to be lengthy and emotionally charged, leading to delays in the trial schedule.

T.J. Holmes [05:26]: "Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated... the cross examination... was intense, to say the least."

Cross-Examination and Credibility Challenges

Diddy's legal team employed aggressive cross-examination techniques aimed at undermining Mia's credibility. They presented Mia's past affectionate messages to Diddy, juxtaposing them against her abuse claims, which created a complex narrative for the jury to navigate.

Amy Robach [06:35]: "They had to hear a long, they said about 50 Instagram messages and whatnot... of her seeming to enjoy what she was working."

T.J. Holmes [08:01]: "She was asked, 'why did you try to keep the person who abused you happy?' She said, 'because when he was happy, I was safe.'"

These revelations led the prosecution to express concerns over the defense's tactics, arguing that such aggressive questioning could deter future victims from coming forward.

T.J. Holmes [05:59]: "Prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning."

Defense and Prosecution Arguments

The defense strategy focused on questioning Mia's credibility by highlighting inconsistencies in her behavior and testimonies. They pointed to her delayed reporting of the abuse and her substantial financial requests upon leaving Diddy's company as potential indicators of ulterior motives.

Amy Robach [07:53]: "But her attorneys took half of that. So she didn't get much of anything when she left Eddie's company."

T.J. Holmes [13:02]: "When you're asking for the money... you have to have something along the way that you felt like he might want to pay you hush money for."

The prosecution countered by emphasizing the importance of protecting victims and ensuring that courtroom treatments do not discourage others from speaking out.

T.J. Holmes [17:22]: "Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys. And if we don't protect these people who are willing to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward."

Public and Media Reactions

The trial's intense nature extended beyond the courtroom, with overflow rooms becoming arenas for vocal supporters of Diddy. These "watch parties" often mirrored reality TV environments, complete with loud reactions and real-time discussions, further intensifying the public's engagement with the trial.

T.J. Holmes [21:54]: "They refer to it as a watch party. It feels like a watch party, like your watch. It's kind of incredible."

Psychological Insights and Treatment of Accusers

Hosts Robach and Holmes explored the psychological dimensions of Mia's testimony, discussing possible trauma bonding and the challenges victims face in reconciling abusive relationships. They also highlighted the delicate balance between believing accusers and ensuring fair treatment for the accused.

Amy Robach [17:22]: "We have to get to a point. Have we gotten to a point where women are believed, but now how do we treat them after we even believe them?"

T.J. Holmes [16:09]: "If that is where she was mentally with all of this, then it would make sense why she never brought it up, why she didn't use it to get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors."

Upcoming Testimonies

Looking ahead, the episode anticipates the testimony of Eddie Garcia, a security officer from the Beverly Hilton Hotel, who is set to testify under immunity. Garcia's statements are expected to shed light on the infamous video of Diddy alleged to be involved in abusive behavior.

T.J. Holmes [22:31]: "He is testifying under immunity... he works security at the Intercontinental Hotel... where that video was taken."

Conclusion

As the Diddy trial continues, Robach and Holmes underscore the high stakes involved, not only for those directly involved but also for the broader implications on how sexual assault cases are handled in the media and the justice system. The episode provides listeners with a comprehensive overview of the trial's complexities, courtroom dynamics, and the ongoing struggle to balance justice with compassion for victims.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Amy Robach [01:25]: "Another day of testimonies in the books."
• T.J. Holmes [01:25]: "A man who was in the courtroom... violated the order by the judge."
• Amy Robach [04:00]: "A woman... screaming out, 'Diddy, these mother effers, laughing at you.'"
• T.J. Holmes [05:26]: "Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated."
• Amy Robach [06:35]: "They had to hear about 50 Instagram messages..."
• T.J. Holmes [08:01]: "She said, 'because when he was happy, I was safe.'"
• Amy Robach [07:53]: "Her attorneys took half of that."
• T.J. Holmes [13:02]: "You have to have something along the way that you felt like he might want to pay you hush money for."
• T.J. Holmes [17:22]: "If we don't protect these people who are willing to come forward..."
• T.J. Holmes [21:54]: "They refer to it as a watch party."
• Amy Robach [17:22]: "Have we gotten to a point where women are believed, but now how do we treat them after we even believe them?"
• T.J. Holmes [16:09]: "Why she asked for the 10 million... she didn't bring it up then."
• T.J. Holmes [22:31]: "He is testifying under immunity... where that video was taken."

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This structured summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and developments from the podcast episode, providing a comprehensive overview for listeners unfamiliar with the original content.

Transcript

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there, folks. It's June 3rd. Tuesday, June 3rd. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. We continue to be your one stop shop to catch you up on the Diddy trial, which is now in its fourth week. Another day of testimonies in the books. We will go through that for you in a second. That full day was described as combative. But as we record this, robes we sit here. Today's court has begun. And if we thought yesterday was combative, today has already jumped off with fireworks before the jury even comes into the room.

[Robes]

That's right. So a man who was in the courtroom on Monday apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym. That was the former assistant to Diddy, who says she was raped by Diddy. Who says she was sexually abused by Diddy. Well, there was a man in the courtroom who used her real name, her actual name, on his YouTube channel and violated that order. So he was also seen recording outside the courthouse on Monday. So the judge granted a request from prosecutors to ban this man from the courtroom if he ever tries to return. And no word if there'll be any further charges because what he did is violate a court order, which I would believe would be considered criminal.

[Amy Robach]

I have it right. This is court order in journalism, right? It's an understanding and it's a long held and sacred rule. You do not identify publicly a sexual assault accuser. You just do not do that. So this is different still for me. Ropes. I am to your point. There was an order. This wasn't just a matter of an understanding from news outlets. He ordered people not to identify her so there could Be some penalties for him, Correct?

[Robes]

I would have think there would be. And perhaps there should be. Because this isn't just about this case. This is a larger. There's a reason why judges put these orders in place and why news outlets, credited news outlets, honor this idea that we don't out alleged sexual assault victims because you don't wanna discourage any woman. It's already hard enough to get up there and talk about the worst, most humiliating moment of your life potentially. So you have to be able to be afforded that opportunity to not have your identity smeared everywhere. People going into your history and re victimizing you, so to speak. So that's just why that's in place. And so you'd never want to discourage any woman or any member of the community who's been sexually abused from coming forward.

[Amy Robach]

And if you take a lot of these witnesses at their word, they're scared to death of this man and what he can do. So there's also that element of putting this particular witness in some kind of danger by identifying her. This is wildly irresponsible. I know. He is innocent until proven guilty, we understand, but she has a story to tell. And this just feels like an awful, unnecessary and intentional violation. Like he's going for it. What is he trying to do?

[Robes]

Well, it's interesting because you mentioned the fear there. There are hardcore Sean Diddy Combs supporters in that courtroom, around the courtroom and certainly around the world. And so that's concerning. And to your point, there was another disruption before the jurors came in from a Diddy supporter. So actually a woman, the judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out, diddy, these mother effers laughing at you. And they had to remove from court. So there are people who feel passionately on both sides of the aisle.

[Amy Robach]

All right, so that was. Again, folks, as we record this, we're a going to give you what happened in the full day that's in the books, which was yesterday, as today's court is just getting going. So we did want to at least share some of the early tidbits coming out of the courtroom today. Yesterday, Robes, we had two witnesses. We had one person who was a representative of the Beverly Hills Hotel. Talked about receipts and whatnot, explained some things to the jury. The other, of course, was Mia and Robes. Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated. Mia is the former assistant who says she was raped and sexually assaulted repeatedly over the years working for him. They're a little behind schedule They've had to rearrange some other witnesses who had flights and whatnot because this one got contentious, it went long, and you could tell robes how important this witness is to both sides.

[Robes]

Yes, exactly. And cross examination, meaning the questioning that happened from Diddy's lawyers was intense, to say the least, to the point where it got to be so much. Prosecutors pulled them aside and had a sidebar with the judge and was saying, hey, they're badgering our witness. They are going too far and being too harsh, humiliating, and they even use the word harassment. So that's how heated it got in the courtroom yesterday. Prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And the judge agreed with, I think most of it. They, I think they're also called, said the defense was being sarcastic. The judge said, I don't see the sarcasm, but the rest of what you said is accurate. So the judge agreed. And the back and forth was pretty intense. And it all kind of ropes had to do with the witness's own words. They made her read a lot of her messages of love and adoration and inspiration from Diddy. So they had to hear a long, they said about 50 Instagram messages and whatnot they went through of her seeming to enjoy what she was working, I have to say.

[Robes]

So we heard some of this from the day before. But when you really start reading what she not only posted on Instagram, because maybe you could make the argument that a lot of folks put what they wish their life could be like or the best version of whatever happened online, but these direct text messages to Diddy as late as 2022, it is hard to get your head around some of these things that she was texting him from. I guess they, I believe they said from three years after she was let go all the way up until two, three years ago. I love you. I will always be, be here for you in any capacity. I love you with all of my heart, and I am here for you forever. These are all texts that she sent him years after she claims she was raped, sexually assaulted, and continually, verbally and physically abused by him.

[Amy Robach]

So that would last. When you read I love you with all my heart and I'm here for you forever. She wrote that to Diddy in 2020. She had been getting sexually assaulted and raped by him. According to her, since 2009 when she started working for him. She stopped in 2017. And then three years later, she sends that message. Look, she said plenty of times, call my therapist. It's called psychological abuse. She's said plenty of things that she was brainwashed.

[Robes]

Brainwashed was the thing she used yesterday.

[Amy Robach]

But, hey, the jury, that's. It's hard to understand. It. It's hard to.

[Robes]

The one exchange that gave me a little bit of light into where she was thinking and how she was explaining this, she was asked, why did you try to keep the person who abused you happy? And she said, because when he was happy, I was safe. And I get that perhaps while you're working with him, but once you've left and you've been gone for years and you have no reason to physically fear him, why keep inserting yourself back into his. Why keep telling him you love him? Why keep telling him you miss him? She saw their Netflix series on. She's like, it makes me miss you. You know, all of that's all hard to understand.

[Amy Robach]

Now, I'm sure there is a therapist out there or someone who deals with people who have been abused who can explain this very easily and say, yes, this is even common that you still do feel some kind. And again, it's not. It wasn't all bad. So there was some part of a loving relationship she had with Shawn and Diddy Combs. I'm just saying, for the matter of a jury sitting there trying to get their head around that, it's difficult. And this was a tough back and forth. And the defense, by all accounts, made some headway in trying to go after her credibility. You know, it was funny at the very beginning, this is how the cross examination started. They asked her where she went to school, what was your gpa. And immediately the prosecution objected and the judge sustain the object. It just has nothing to do with nothing.

[Robes]

Well, he wanted to say, are you a smart girl? And if you're a smart girl, why are you acting like this?

[Amy Robach]

So there you go. The humiliation and the things you talk about. They set a tone from the very beginning of how they were going to go.

[Robes]

I mean, they flat out said she was lying.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[Robes]

And was a money grabber.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[Robes]

And jumping in on the MeToo movement. They humiliated her. They harassed her, for sure. I mean, absolutely. I thought one of the more bizarre exchanges, and I know it caught your eye as well, or your ear at least, when there was a text message between Mia and Diddy where she relates a dream she had to him, that she had a dream she was stuck in an elevator with R. Kelly and that he came and rescued her. We're talking about R. Kelly now in the Diddy trial.

[Amy Robach]

He is literally in prison right now for sex trafficking.

[Robes]

And that comes up convicted in 2022. Convicted three years ago.

[Amy Robach]

And this is the guy. She says, yeah, some weird. She has a dream about R. Kelly and she's stuck with him in elevator. But the message she sent to Diddy after that, I screamed for you and you came to rescue me. She sent that to him and the judge. I mean, the defense attorneys, excuse me, are asking, like, this is the guy you scared of? This is the guy that's your tormentor. Why is it you are going to. And why would you send a message like that? And her response again, she said, yes, he was my tormentor and he was my protector. He served as both of those. For her. At times, this is fascinating to listen to someone. If you do take her at her word that all this happened. It's fascinating to hear where her head is and how she views that relationship. And again, she's been in tons of therapy, she says, but, man, this is some heavy stuff.

[Robes]

And as she referenced therapy, the defense actually asked if she would be willing to lift her patient therapist confidentiality and actually let the defense, or at least let the court see what her therapist wrote, what the notes were.

[Amy Robach]

Objection.

[Robes]

Because one of the other huge issues that really stood out to both of us was the fact that she did not tell one person. She didn't document, she didn't write down, she didn't even tell the investigators and the prosecutors that she was sexually abused or raped by Diddy until June of 2024, as in a few months ago, Exactly a year ago, I guess it would have been a year ago.

[Amy Robach]

And that was three or four months after Cassie Ventura filed her lawsuit. How do you. The prosecutors are asking her, what was it, seven months, 20 something interviews?

[Robes]

28 interviews with investigators, prosecutors, and she never once mentioned or brought up that she was a victim of rape.

[Amy Robach]

Well, how does that sit with the jury?

[Robes]

That's tough.

[Amy Robach]

I don't know how that sits, but why? And that it comes into the money grab situation now, okay, what was your motivation then, if it wasn't before? She has a good, kind of a good response to that, in that it's one thing she didn't tell the prosecutors about it in the last year, but when she left Diddy's company in 2017, she wanted a severance package. And there was attorneys on both sides going back and forth. She initially asked for $10 million. Why? But she asked for that money. But in that back and forth, wouldn't that have been the proper time to say, oh, yeah, by the way, your boss has been sexually assaulting me for Years. Give me my money and I will go quietly.

[Robes]

Yes. When you're asking for the money, and obviously when most people leave businesses where you're making. I mean, she started out making $50,000 a year. What would make you think you should or could ask for $10 million? Unless something happened along the way that you felt like he might want to pay you hush money for?

[Amy Robach]

Why not bring it up?

[Robes]

I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

That's the thing. The jury is asking that. They are asking what we're asking. She had two opportunities, long opportunities, and one that might have even benefited her, at least on paper, financially. Let me say that. And she didn't bring it up then. So she asked for the 10 million. We should say she ended up getting 400,000.

[Robes]

400,000.

[Amy Robach]

But her attorneys took half of that. So she didn't get much of anything when she left Eddie's company.

[Robes]

I think this is definitely a difficult witness for jurors to get their head around because I would just say, just from anyone who's listening, common sense, it's just hard to understand. It's not that it couldn't be true, and it's not that she's lying necessarily, but it certainly casts some doubt into her credibility. I think the defense did a decent job doing that.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah. And we all keep saying, just need one. Right. Just need one juror to hold out.

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[Amy Robach]

This young lady, mia, she has said at several points that this is something she planned to take to her grave. Now I the matter of humiliation, the shame, how she felt through what she described, if it's all true, I cannot imagine what that felt like. And so when I hear her say I was going to take this to my grave and I kind of have to take her at a word and.

[Robes]

Believe that, well, that makes sense. I mean, if that is where she was mentally with all of this, then it would make sense why she never brought it up, why she didn't use it to get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors. Because she just didn't want to have to be that woman, that girl, that victim. I think you can say he yelled at me, he threw things at me. But to acknowledge that you couldn't even say no when he was raping you, and that's what she testified to, that's a very embarrassing thing to have to admit. It's shameful, even though it isn't shameful. But I can understand how a woman would feel that way. And you know what? This was pretty interesting because when prosecutors asked the judge to stop the cross examination because they said the defense attorneys were being humiliating, were being harassing, part of their reasoning was that they said, the world is watching this trial right now and this could deter other crime victims from coming forward in other cases. They said eyes are on this trial. Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys. And if we don't protect these people who are willing to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward. Not just in this case, but in other cases.

[Amy Robach]

This is one now with me in particular. And we have to figure out how to do this. Of course, the one all eyes are on, and Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, everybody was taking sides. But we have to get to a point. Have we gotten to a point where women are believed, but now how do we treat them after we even believe them? Right? So for so long it seemed like nobody's being believed. And then there was a movement, right? And then people were being believed. And it turns out, oh yeah, she's been saying that for years. And you turned out to Be right. And all these so believe women when they speak up. But now that argument we always make, well, they get to be anonymous. And then the one who's accused has. Maybe his whole life is up there.

[Robes]

But once you're accused of something heinous like that, your life rarely goes back to the way it was, if ever.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So now we have to have the conversation about what if somebody is innocent, so whose name needs to be public? And all this back and forth. But let's get away from that conversation. This is not that day. I'm saying we are treating accusers or we are. The world is watching accusers get treated pretty shitty.

[Courtney Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

On the stand. What's your gpa? Right. It just seems like not much of a question. But we're. We're trying to embarrass and humiliate the defense attorneys are supposed say supposed to do this for their client. They're supposed to be fighting their butts off to keep his life is on the line. But man, we're having public debates and social media debates about should she be believed? And she only was going for this. And it just. It sucks how we're treating.

[Robes]

Yeah. I mean, courtrooms end up being theater and it really. The jury is the audience and the lawyers are trying to make them think one thing or another. And that's just unfortunately part of what happens. It's tough to watch, especially when real lives and real pain is on display. It's not an act, it isn't a script. It's their lives. And so it's a much. The stakes couldn't be higher.

[Amy Robach]

So she was able to wrap up yesterday. Again, defense attorneys admitted, and she did have a redirect by the prosecution, and again, she just ended up up there longer than anticipated. But she did get off the stand yesterday, and they were able to squeeze in one more witness. This one Robes is. They call him a custodian at the Beverly Hilton.

[Robes]

The Beverly Hilton.

[Amy Robach]

The Beverly Hilton. And this person was up there kind of explaining to the jury when they see receipts, hotel receipts for Diddy, what they're kind of looking at. And this one, it wasn't just about how much you pay for the room. It was some of the fees, the damages. And damages were, well, probably to be expected given what we had.

[Robes]

Actually, I thought this was less than what I was anticipating, if I'm being fully honest here. I thought it might be more. But just. This is one room. One time, a $300 charge for drapes that were soiled beyond what is normal. That was the Annotation. Another receipt for a $500 charge for, once again, oil damage. There was a fee for going out to get candles for Diddy. Why would they go out and buy candles when they know in all of the other messages they talk about excessive wax? You know how hard it is to get candle wax off things. Anybody who's had to clean a house with candle wax, it is very difficult.

[Amy Robach]

I'm trying to think of hotels. There are no candles in hotel rooms.

[Robes]

They're dangerous to have candles. You're not supposed to be lighting candles in hotels for fire concerns.

[Amy Robach]

Okay, that's a very good reason.

[Robes]

I guess it's Diddy. So I guess he gets to have candles and they get to clean up the wax afterwards.

[Amy Robach]

Well, they talked about his pro. They had a profile that had. It would have the celebrity's name and an alias next to it. So they knew who it was and knew what was happening, knew what to expect anytime he was showing up. I did want to mention the other thing, robes, you talked about at the top here. The disruptions that were in the actual courtroom, but there have been disruptions in the overflow room. I don't know if we've explained this enough that, yes, you have certain number of people who are sitting in the courtroom watching, but we also have at the courthouse an overflow room where reporters and members of the public, many of them supporters of Diddy, have been watching on closed circuit television. The rule, Robes, is that they're supposed to be just as quiet as they are in the actual courtroom. But we're hearing that ain't the case.

[Robes]

Yeah, apparently it's not the case. I have been in one overflow room in my time as a reporter covering a case. And it was also fairly rowdy, to say the least. Because what happens is you start getting comfortable, you start shouting at the television like you would watching a reality TV show about what you think they should say next or reacting to what they did or said. And so that's what's happening, apparently.

[Amy Robach]

Nailed it. Yes.

[Robes]

You're actually having people almost like with popcorn in their hands watching and reacting and being loud about it.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. They refer to it as a watch party. It feels like a watch party, like your watch. It's kind of incredible. But no one has stopped them. No one has come in and said, shush. So that is happening. But yes, they say a lot of Diddy supporters have been in those rooms and have been very vocal. And what they want the defense attorneys to ask next in the line of question.

[Robes]

Oh, my goodness. Well, I might read that report about what's going on in the watch party rooms. Slash the overflow rooms.

[Amy Robach]

All right, well, on the stand today, this morning, up first, and this guy, right, is testifying under immunity. I believe this is the one that was it, the bribe for the video. The hotel security guy, Eddie Garcia, he's gonna be up there, but he is testifying under immunity. So he's had to be compelled.

[Robes]

Yes.

[Amy Robach]

To testify.

[Robes]

He took. He actually took that oath. Yes. Before the jurors came in. And yes, he works security at the Intercontinental Hotel. That is the hotel where, again, that video was taken, where we all saw that terrible video of Diddy kicking and beating Cassie Ventura. Fine. Right. As she was trying to leave a freak off is what we've been told that was happening. So he is on the stand right now, and he is doing. He's being directly questioned by prosecutors, and he'll get a cross examination as well. And we'll, of course, be following all of that and the rest of the day's events inside that Manhattan courtroom. But for now, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robach, along with my partner, TJ Holm. We hope you have a wonderful home. You are my home. Oh, my TJ Home.

[Amy Robach]

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He pulls out of his backpack, syringes. What? It's completely bizarre.

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