“The Diddy Trial: No verdict, but 3 Notes in 5 Hours! BONUS EDITION!!

Summary

Podcast Summary: “The Diddy Trial: No Verdict, but 3 Notes in 5 Hours! BONUS EDITION!!”

Release Date: June 30, 2025
Hosted by Amy Robach & TJ Holmes
Presented by iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this bonus edition of Amy Robach and TJ Holmes' coverage of the high-profile Diddy trial, the hosts delve into the tumultuous first day of jury deliberations. The episode provides listeners with an insider's view of the challenges and dynamics unfolding within the jury room, highlighting key moments that have already stirred public interest.

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First Day of Deliberations

Amy Robach and TJ Holmes kick off the discussion by setting the scene of the first day of jury deliberations:

• [00:40] TJ Holmes: “Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June 30, and day one of deliberations in the Diddy trial is in the books. And what a day it was. The jury was busy.”

Despite expecting a quiet day, the hosts reveal that the jury has already produced three notes within five hours—a sign of potential turbulence ahead.

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Juror Notes and Concerns

The conversation shifts to the unexpected frequency of jury notes, particularly focusing on a notable example:

• [02:58] Amy Robach: “[The jury] already sent a note to the judge that says, we have a juror number 25 that we are concerned cannot follow your honor's instructions.”

This raises immediate questions about juror number 25's ability to adhere to courtroom protocols.

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Profiling Juror Number 25

Delving deeper, Amy and TJ profile juror number 25, whose actions have sparked concern:

• [03:24] Amy Robach: “He has his PhD in molecular biology. He is a scientist, a practicing veterinarian. He lives in Manhattan with his partner, and he likes classical music.”

• [03:44] TJ Holmes: “This is not a dumbass.”

Despite his qualifications, Juror 25's swift decision to question his ability to follow instructions is perplexing to the hosts.

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Possible Reasons for Juror Issues

Amy and TJ speculate on the reasons behind Juror 25's note:

• [04:17] Amy Robach: “Maybe he thinks he's smarter and better. And maybe he was being a bit of a jerk because of it.”

• [05:56] TJ Holmes: “They are trying to figure out whether he's guilty of that one.”

The hosts consider scenarios where Juror 25 might have a predetermined verdict, disrupting the deliberation process early on.

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Negotiations Between Prosecution and Defense

The episode highlights the courtroom's response to the jury's concerns:

• [06:35] TJ Holmes: “Everything has to be negotiated. So they did come up with something everybody agreed to.”

The judge facilitates a compromise, focusing on maintaining impartiality and adhering to instructions without adding undue pressure.

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Deliberation on Drug Distribution Definition

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the jury's query regarding the definition of a drug distributor:

• [08:45] TJ Holmes: “They're asking for clarity on something that you and I have gone back and forth about on several episodes of this podcast. What does that mean to be a drug distributor?”

• [09:24] Amy Robach: “But we've talked about this... Who's the distributor, me or you?”

Amy and TJ explore the complexities of legal definitions versus everyday understanding, questioning scenarios like sharing over-the-counter medication.

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Implications of Racketeering Charges

The hosts connect the jury's deliberations to the broader charges against Diddy, emphasizing the gravity of potential racketeering convictions:

• [12:35] Amy Robach: “It sounds like they are still right now and it's five hours of deliberations. They are clearly in the racketeering section right now because that's the only time drugs come up is under that charge.”

• [14:36] Amy Robach: “Yes.”

They discuss how determining Diddy's role as a drug distributor could play a pivotal role in racketeering charges, which carry severe penalties.

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Conclusion

As the first day of deliberations wraps up without a verdict, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes leave listeners with anticipatory insights into the unfolding trial:

• [15:35] Amy Robach: “They have certainly caused quite a bit of interest throughout the trial, and it looks like that is going to continue as we watch them from just a few blocks away, deliberate.”

The hosts assure continuous updates, promising to keep the audience informed as the jury reconvenes the following morning.

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Key Takeaways

• Multiple Jury Notes: Three notes in five hours signal potential issues within the jury's deliberations.

• Juror Number 25: A highly educated juror has raised concerns about following instructions, sparking speculation about bias or predetermined verdicts.

• Legal Definitions: The jury's request for clarity on drug distribution highlights the trial's complex legal questions.

• Racketeering Charges: Determining Diddy's role in drug distribution is critical, given the severe implications of racketeering convictions.

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Notable Quotes:

• [02:58] Amy Robach: “We have a juror number 25 that we are concerned cannot follow your honor's instructions.”

• [04:17] Amy Robach: “Maybe he thinks he's smarter and better. And maybe he was being a bit of a jerk because of it.”

• [08:45] TJ Holmes: “What does that mean to be a drug distributor?”

• [12:35] Amy Robach: “They are clearly in the racketeering section right now because that's the only time drugs come up is under that charge.”

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Stay tuned to Amy Robach and TJ Holmes' coverage on iHeartPodcasts for ongoing updates and in-depth analysis of the Diddy trial.

Transcript

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[TJ Holmes]

Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June 30, and day one of deliberations in the Diddy trial is in the books. And what a day it was. The jury was busy. Welcome to this Diddy update edition of Amy and TJ Robes. We actually thought, you know what? We might not do a second episode today because, you know, it's probably gonna be quiet. It's deliberations. Supposed to be quiet.

[Amy Robach]

First day of deliberations. They're all just getting to know each other, trying to feel each other out. Maybe they did a first little, you know, meet and greet. Nope, nope, nope. We had not one, not two. We had three notes from the jury in five hours of deliberations today.

[TJ Holmes]

But the doozy was the one they sent after just being back there an hour together. Folks, this was actually. This is actually probably roams right in line with what the case has been. The jury has been causing all kinds of issues. Sick. Getting kicked off. Maybe getting kicked off somebody late. Child issues. No.

[Amy Robach]

Transit issues.

[TJ Holmes]

Excuse me, Transit issues. So here we go again. So they go back this morning, they get the case, deliberations are underway and then robed within one hour. They pick a four person. Fine. That's one thing. And first of all, tell everybody who the four person is.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, they did. They did pick a. It's not a foreman, you know, that's how they usually would refer to that person. But it's a foreperson, specifically because it is a 42 year old. She is a woman of color, she lives in Manhattan, she works in a nursing home, and she is a mom of two. The only other interesting thing I saw on all of the fun facts you get from the jurors who are, of course, anonymous, is that she was ticketed for an open container 15 years ago, but she likes hip hop music. She is the foreperson and seems like they picked her relatively smoothly and quickly.

[TJ Holmes]

And so she is the one in charge of the group that's now in charge of deciding Diddy's fate. So they sent Their first real note out. Robes that in an hour. And it was another. How many times we use the word jaw dropping.

[Amy Robach]

Doozy.

[TJ Holmes]

A doozy during this trial, during testimony. And the jury within one hour almost hit us with another.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, I think it was like 70 minutes to the. To the minute. But yes, an hour and 10 minutes. They already send a note to the judge that says, we have a juror number 25 that we are concerned cannot follow your honor's instructions. What.

[TJ Holmes]

How do you figure that out in an hour? What does that exactly mean? And also, let's go to this first robes juror number 25. Do you have it up?

[Amy Robach]

Oh, yes. Which One juror number 25 is. We have joked. Possibly. Well, he's at least the most educated member, formally educated member of the jury. He has his PhD in molecular biology. He is a scientist, a practicing veterinarian. He lives in Manhattan with his partner, and he likes classical music.

[TJ Holmes]

This is not a dumbass.

[Amy Robach]

This is not somebody who doesn't know how to follow instructions.

[TJ Holmes]

Nope, nope.

[Amy Robach]

He is a scientist. That is exactly and precisely what scientists do. They follow instructions.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, that's right.

[Amy Robach]

Because they know how important they are.

[TJ Holmes]

It's actually a particular skill they have to have. He is perfectly qualified to be on a jury. What happened in one hour that they collectively got together and said, we need to do something about one of our members. In an hour. In an hour.

[Amy Robach]

It's baffling. The only thing I could think of. We were trying to come up with scenarios. I'm sure many of you at home were doing the same thing. Was like if he walked in there and said, I'm sorry, but I think he's guilty on all counts and I'm not going to even consider anything you all are saying. If he just maybe already had such a. A formed opinion, and maybe he announced it to the group like, y' all can go ahead and deliberate all you want and talk all you want and hash everything out. I already know what my verdict is or what I'm voting for on every count.

[TJ Holmes]

What else could it possibly have been?

[Amy Robach]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[TJ Holmes]

That sure. Did you just go in and say, nope, I refuse to deliberate or nope, I'm never going to follow those instructions. What could you do in an hour? You just don't have time.

[Amy Robach]

Unless he thinks he's smarter than the judge.

[TJ Holmes]

He is. He has a PhD in molecular biology. Yes. He's the smartest person in the room. Fine. You got it.

[Amy Robach]

So maybe. Maybe he thinks he knows more and Better. And maybe he was being a bit of a jerk because of it. I don't know. It's hard to imagine how it went off the rails like that, because wouldn't that be embarrassing? Like, you're the jury. Four person. You guys have just gone back. You know, everyone's watching you already. Dad, he won't play fair. Dad, tell him to stop. Because what the juror actually, what the foreperson asked. Why was that she could please come talk to the judge, or she asked that the judge would interview juror number 25. She was already asking him to intervene, which is significant. It wasn't a question about procedure, a question about the evidence or testimony. It was saying, please help us. We've got. We've got a problem juror here who won't play fair.

[TJ Holmes]

Did you say it was a black. Is a black woman or woman of color?

[Amy Robach]

What did they say? I saw a woman of color.

[TJ Holmes]

A woman of color. Okay. I'm just curious. This is a black woman.

[Amy Robach]

So. So what did. What.

[TJ Holmes]

Please come get him. Like, no, no, I'm just. Yeah, I could. You know, I got the black women in my life. That would be like, I ain't got time for this right now. I ain't got time for this. Like, you come get them. Or I could see that this is okay.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. So how did the judge. So the judge gets this question. He lets the prosecution and the defense see it, and then they have to hammer out how they wanted to respond back to the jurors.

[TJ Holmes]

Everything has to be negotiated.

[Narrator]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Even an answer has to be negotiated now. So they did come up with something everybody agreed to. The judge came out and said, hey, ever. It turns out both of you guys pretty much came up with the same language, but he didn't like some particular language from the defense that ends up. They did end up taking it out.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. So they. They went with more of the prosecution's version, which was basically, please just go back and deliberate. You know, my rules are my rules. Like, kind of figure it out for yourselves. But the defense wanted to add that the. That there should be some note. Hey, y' all just started deliberating. Can you figure it out? The judge didn't want to put any pressure on the jury, suggesting that somehow the issue is that they've had an issue too quickly. He didn't want them to feel pressure for that, so they just said, hey, go back. Please try to follow my instructions. Please continue to deliberate.

[TJ Holmes]

You know, I'm giving this judge all kinds of credit. Of course he has to play the referee for the two sides. But I thought this was a good bit of therapy or this was a good bit of. In handling them. He said, no, I don't want them to feel like we're being dismissive of a concern they have by just saying, you just started. Keep going. He said he wanted to acknowledge. I thought I. Yep. I guess I've talked to a lot of therapists over the years, but that sounds like. Exactly, exactly. You have to immediately validate somebody's concern.

[Amy Robach]

He validated that. It's okay that you came back in 70 minutes. Please tell me how you're feeling right now. Okay, I heard you. Now please just go back and try to figure it out. So it was kind of just that back and forth. And then we were waiting to hear what the jury was going to do. And a third note. It was a third round of notes because there were two notes in this third edition. Basically, the easy one was, hey, we want to end at 5pm and we'd like to come back again at 9am so they gave the judge their schedule for today.

[TJ Holmes]

What does that mean now, you know, if they. If they go with that schedule, are they going to work 9 to 5?

[Amy Robach]

9 to 5? It sounds like that's what they are going to want to do. So then, though, in that third little pile of notes, there was a second note, and that was a question, and.

[TJ Holmes]

That one's really interesting. They're asking for clarity on something that you and I have gone back and forth about on several episodes of this podcast. What does that mean to be a drug distributor? And they specifically are asking, what's the language that's being used here? They say if a person asks for a controlled substance and another person gives it to the person who's requesting it, is the person who hands over that controlled substance considered to be distributing drugs? Wow, that's. What are we to make? The prosecution would obviously say, yes, yes.

[Amy Robach]

But we've talked about this, because how many times, you know, have you even. Let's just say it's Advil, right? And say, I want Advil. I ask you to go get it for me. You go get the Advil. Give it to me. I have the Advil. But now my daughter has a headache, so I give her some of the Advil. Who's the distributor, me or you?

[TJ Holmes]

This is what they're dealing with. This is what they're dealing with.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah.

[TJ Holmes]

Even if you get past that legal question and he's still a distributor. He's a distributor. But then if you're looking at these technicalities, are you then asking yourself, am I going to send him to prison for the rest of his life for that? That's a human question, is it not?

[Amy Robach]

It sounds like a human question. They are looking for the legality behind it. And by the way, now the judge has to sit with the prosecution and the defense and once again come up with a solution for an answer. Because what does the judge say to this? Well, that all again, has to be negotiated. And so that's happening. And they will then come up with whatever answer they want to give that they've collectively agreed upon. Tomorrow morning at 9am because I was asking, when court comes back in session tomorrow, does the jury. Is there a formal like, hey, everybody, the jury's seated, Diddy's, their family's there, judges, their prosecution, defense. And then if there's anything that has to be worked out, they work it out. And then the jury goes to the deliberation room. But there's that immediate or initial meeting.

[TJ Holmes]

They have to call court back into session.

[Amy Robach]

They have to.

[TJ Holmes]

They have to. Right. So that means they got to make sure and confirm for the record that everybody is present. Jury heads back for the record.

[Amy Robach]

That makes sense.

[TJ Holmes]

I think that makes sense.

[Amy Robach]

And then that would be the moment tomorrow morning at 9am that the judge would give the answer to the jury to their question.

[TJ Holmes]

But it sounds like they're trying to figure that thing out that you and I went back and forth about so often. Who is a distributor? A distributor of drugs is. Should it be reserved for people who are trying to distribute drugs to the larger community? A drug dealer for money. If he hands a pill to his girlfriend, that's drug distribution under a racketeering charge that could ultimately land him in jail for the rest of his life. You ask it that way and that has to be a way that jury is looking at it beyond just one pill. Okay, he's a drug distributor and he's a mocking pin.

[Amy Robach]

That's tough. Yes. Because it has to be either. Yes, it has to be one of the drug offenses and then it has to be one of the other seven offenses. And both of those had to take place with a co conspirator. It is very confusing. So it sounds like they are still right now and it's five hours of deliberations. They are clearly in the racketeering section right now because that's the only time drugs come up is under that charge. So obviously that is what they have been deliberating. Was that racketeering charge, the one that carries the Potential life in prison for Diddy.

[TJ Holmes]

Good point. They started with the heavy one. Without a doubt, 100% what they are working on. It has to be.

[Amy Robach]

That's the only point in which drugs would be of consideration.

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[Amy Robach]

Well, I'm just like, I was like thinking, I wonder how much we're gonna get to know. It's so interesting trying to figure out where they are. What's happened now to juror 25? Is he playing nice now? Is he decided to. To collaborate and to try to deliberate with them and. Or at least, I don't know, agree to not have his mind completely made up? I'm not sure, but I wonder when we'll find out and who will tell us. Like, that's where I've already jumped to.

[TJ Holmes]

There are. They're going to have to. And we talked about this earlier, robes all they have to prove that he. Or feel like he was guilty of two of.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

Eight crimes for it to be racketeering. And one of them is the drug distribution charge, right?

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

So that means they are hung up on that point at least trying to decide whether or not he's guilty of that one.

[Amy Robach]

Correct.

[TJ Holmes]

Is he a drug distributor or not? Is he or not? I don't know, Rose. I'm looking at this question. I'm trying to decide as a juror. And legally speaking, the prosecution says yes.

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

This is fascinating. Yes. I gave a pill to my girlfriend. I'm a mob boss.

[Amy Robach]

You had to do it more than once, right? I think it had. Had to have happened twice. But the amount, if he does not matter.

[TJ Holmes]

One pill and they think he's guilty of the arson at Kid Cudi's car. Yeah, that's two. And that counts.

[Amy Robach]

That's wild.

[TJ Holmes]

Bribery, kidnapping. There's so many. Oh, my goodness. You all. We're trying to keep a handle on it, and we're trying to keep you all straight. And look, if we sound confused sometimes, I'm sure y' all are confused, too. We're just gonna be confused together. So this is not necessarily a place to come to get clarity, but maybe commiserate.

[Amy Robach]

Yes, we talk it out, we talk it through whatever we're reading, but we are looking at all the different accounts from. From the courtroom, and they do vary from here to there. But it's been a fascinating day. We thought it might be quiet. The jury did not disappoint. They've certainly caused quite a bit of interest throughout the trial, and it looks like that is going to continue as we watch them from just a few blocks away, deliberate. It'll be back at 9am again tomorrow. And of course, we will continue to keep you updated through out the day on all things Diddy as the jury deliberates. I'm Amy Robach for my partner, TJ Holmes. We hope you all have a wonderful night. This is an iHeart podcast.